Not Your Average Netizens - Bom's Away

[jesaray.livejournal.com]

The end of the year is rapidly approaching but time stops for no Kpop fan (or anti-Kpop fangirl). Bom, Bobby and a heated discussion over the price of Sunye's spirituality, among other things in this latest episode. Timestamps below:
2:50 - Bobby vs. Everybody (feat. a dramatic reading by Ashe)
45:40 - Bumkey's arrest (and it's inevitable relation to Park Bom)
54:31 - The scientific study of girl group rankings
1:03:08 - Soshi OT8
1:16:50 - Wondergirls, Sunye and spirituality
1:45:40 - EXID
2:12:00 - CL's debut is now 2NE1's
2:26:40 - Korean Air and the Great Macadamia Air Scandal
2:55:48 - Shannon Williams
2:59:13 - Is JYP SOL?

Also listen at the source.

Comments

[hipployta.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry...I feel like you guys should be more aware of the people and groups you're discussing. Maybe you could release an agenda for the podcast and people could prepare a bit better

I will say that one guy was clearly very knowledgeable and clearly made his points. I also don't like Zico so I agree on dismissing him.

The person who said Mino was better than Epik High needs to go listen to Born Hater again because no honey...no

The Bobby thing is basically a Pann topic and Bobby is really popular with the public.

It's nice that you cover so many topics though.

Why does Sunye need to retire from the Wonder Girls when everyone is already doing what they want

[luna301.livejournal.com]

The person who said Mino was better than Epik High needs to go listen to Born Hater again because no honey...no

I love Mino, and I think he's good lyrically, but I agree with you. Lol no.

The Bobby thing is basically a Pann topic and Bobby is really popular with the public.

Shhh. You're not supposed to say that on omona. It's practically being treated like some lame version of Kendrick Lamar's Control verse around here. No, but seriously, omona has such a boner for this "scandal" that it's easy to lose perspective. No one really cares once you get off the internet. And even on the internet, you have to go looking for it.

[beanii.livejournal.com]

Whoever does the introduction/summary of the next discussion topic has a tendency to ramble. Preparing something brief and to the point beforehand would probably save like 10-15mins in running time.

At the end, I have to agree more with Noah in the case of JYPE. I agree that it's not customary for a JYP to gain momentum from their first release, but I have to say for a fact that they are at least gaining buzz by the second. You guys mentioned it yourselves wherein acts like 2pm and wondergirls by their second release had been looked at as rookies to lookout for. I remember during those times that there songs would at least get play and people were doing the dances, this is as opposed to Got7 where they've gone through several promotion rounds already and we'd be lucky to find someone who knows the chorus of more than one of them. People are checking for Jackson, but are people checking for anybody else in that group? idk, to me the answer would be no.
Even with 2am, "This Song" was actually very popular, it didn't win number one, but it had more buzz around it than any of JYP's recent releases.


This may not be a management thing, and simply an aesthetic thing seeing that Ye eun was successful with a self penned track and not a JYP one. But to say that the way got7 is catching is in the same manner as their past groups, I think this is not entirely true.

[muckyplush.livejournal.com]

Yeeun's solo debut was considered one of the major flops in Korea (in terms of sales) and given that she's from one of the big companies with massive promotions and even going all the way to NY to film her MV.
While you may like her songs, but a company does have to look into the marketability of their artistes products as well, which is why she should have headed JYP's advice and probably come up with an even better and more marketable song (s).

[beanii.livejournal.com]

Oop that was me actually failing. I was thinking of Sunmi and got the two mixed up.
Sunmi didn't pen her song so it doesn't even matter whatever I was trying to say. But the song I was thinking of when speaking about Ye eun was 24 hours, which obviously was not her song.

[akaich0u.livejournal.com]

Agreed--the transitions into the next topic are not succinct at all and far too many "um"s. Maybe they can have a few bullet points and just read off of those.

[muckyplush.livejournal.com]

It is disgusting to hear people talking down about Sunye's faith because it is afterall, her personal believe. And, for those who are concern that she is spreading her religion, let me tell you straight that she ain't forcing anyone to convert. All she did was to perform some charity acts and through her actions, hopefully others willl embrace God. That is what a missionary does... but of cos, like in every profession, there are some rotten apples who gave the profession a bad name. If she isn't forcing anyone to convert, I see no issue with it... and for people speaking on behalf of Haitians not needing such stuff, you are not them.

[akaich0u.livejournal.com]

It's not the missionary component that most people are taking issue with; it's what she said. She mentioned that it makes her sad to know that many people she saw in Haiti died without knowing God first, which I honestly think is quite lame of her. It's sad that they are dying period; that they didn't have the food, medicine, resources etc to survive--not that they didn't share in her beliefs.

That said I do somewhat agree that people here are a little histrionic about it. It's a poor attitude for Sunye to have and she definitely should reconsider but that doesn't make her like....a nazi. At the end of the day, she is still doing more for those people than most of the members here. It's not from a completely altruistic place yes but I think it takes a special kind of privilege to think that those in need should refuse resources just to avoid a sermon.

[muckyplush.livejournal.com]

I think you are over-analysing her words. Yes she did said that and that is in the larger context of things. She has been providing help to people whether they believe in her God or not. In fact there has been accounts of non-believers receiving her help even though they told her that they already have their own God. I don't think there is anything wrong with her saying that... for some people, it is faith that keeps them going. Their belief supported them through hardships, and that's what she is saying. That these poor people should not feel down and out even in their poor situation.

[akaich0u.livejournal.com]

Yeah I don't think for a second that she just goes there and preaches without bring actual aid--I'm certain she does, and that she wouldn't refuse aid to those who don't want to be converted. I've mentioned before (http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/14716955.html?thread=1249854235#t1249854235) that I understand the role faith plays in her life and how she (and others) draw strength from it.

Their belief supported them through hardships, and that's what she is saying.
I know she BELIEVES this, and yes sometimes it does get you through hardships. And sometimes it doesn't. People who die from starvation die from...starvation. I wish you can pray the hunger away but you can't. You might be able to pass easier if you believe you're going to a better place, but faith alone won't save you in situations like these. I don't think it's overanalyzing to think "It breaks my heart they died without knowing God" is....lack of priorities? Over just "It breaks my heart they died because they were sick/starved/etc".

[nana-the-dwarf.livejournal.com]

...Did you read the words that came out of her (Sunye's) mouth?
Because damn.

[muckyplush.livejournal.com]

Yeah I read it, see absolutely nothing wrong with it. At the end of the day, she is helping and funding for these people, whether or not they believe in her God, that's all that matters. In fact, YG Sean does the same thing but branded it differently. He was the one who introduced Sunye to this and he said the same thing at GKYM (Global Korean Youth Mission). To many people, God is their pillar of strength (not me anyway, I'm an atheist) and in hardships, it is this belief that keep them going.

[nana-the-dwarf.livejournal.com]

As the user above stated, she said she's sad people died without knowing the word of God, not just dead.

"They died, oh my god, what if they don't go to heaven? I didn't do the work God bestowed upon me, now I won't get God's brownie points." Is what I took it for and it's just my humble opinion, but that's just fucked up. It's insulting to the deceased.

I wrote the same on the original Sunye post, and to some degree I do agree with you, religion is a pillar of strength and comfort; but praying won't put food in your stomach, a roof over your head or magically make illnesess to disappear; and as I said in that post, I hope she is putting her hands in mud and actually doing charity work.

[muckyplush.livejournal.com]

To believers, that's what they think. The believe that if someone could have another pillar of support, it could have changed their lives around. Not everyone there die because of lack of food, it could be going down the wrong path etc. That's why she is there taking care of patients who had terminal illness, funding them to seek medical treatment in Korea (as revealed by the hospital in a news article) and setting up rehab schools to teach disabled people a skill or two. I will be more disgusted if she goes around boasting what charity acts she does... so I'm glad to know she's doing all these quietly instead.

[nana-the-dwarf.livejournal.com]

Now girl (or sir, sorry if I'm mistaken) that might be the case for some people, but you can't go and make that generalization about all believers like that.

There are degrees to faith and some might actually want to, you know, stay alive rather than die "knowing" that there is a life beyond death or that their souls have been saved; just the same as some of these missionaries make it their priority to help as much as they can, physically and put the religious aspect in a secondary place.

Thank you for clearing that about Sunye up, though, I'm glad to know she's walking the talk.

[luna301.livejournal.com]

I don't think the issue people have is that she's not backing up her words with actual charity work. I think the issue is with the words themselves. The implication being that the tragedy of those deaths are tied to the deaceased peoples' lack of faith rather than the deaths being a tragedy in and of themselves. The prority is placed on the wrong thing and further implies that belief or lack thereof dictates your lot in life. I know some people believe that that's true, but the fact that she might genuinely believe that doesn't erase the questionable nature of what she said.

There's also that element of the idea that all she saw in Haiti was poverty and suffering and Christianity would "save" them, which is all kinds of problematic.

I don't think she suddenly becomes an irredeemable monster or anything. But it was still a messy comment.

Correction on the comments about 2NE1's Bom

[hipployta.livejournal.com]

OH...I forgot

The guy who I mentioned it was wrong about one thing. Tim?

The investigation showed that because she had the US prescription, showed typical use of the drug meaning 3 or 4 pills missing during the time of investigation, and determined it was a reasonable exception. Also it was mailed by her Mother to her Grandmother. It's not as if she is the one who shipped it. Did ya'll even read the dispatch report or any of the information from YG?

The people you are talking about wouldn't say who they got the drug from (their illegal distributor) and had large amounts of it missing indicating they sold it.

Another person who got it for their son was also excused for the same reason.