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We look at the Korean Pop, or K-Pop, sensation as its influence as a soft power changes the regional political paradigm.

The episode features Simon & Martina, a reporter from CJ E&M, and a peace activist. Why? Because we are talking about K-Pop AND diplomacy!

Source: Al Jazeera English on YouTube, some parts written by me

I'm still watching the video, so I cannot add highlights just yet, but I would like to leave a shoutout to that one K-Pop fan from Baghdad. Anyeong!

Date: 2012-09-04 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asnindie.livejournal.com
That was a very interesting watch, though nothing most people don't already know about Korea but I liked the stuff about what Gangnam represents in Korea.

The tweet about how controlling music is good for the youth, really not.

Greece has alot of people getting surgery, wow.

Date: 2012-09-04 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gacchiri.livejournal.com
Interesting comment from Martina about how many Kpop fans don't want Kpop to spread and that it's basically indie to them. I've definitely noticed some Hipster-like comments from people, but Kpop's pretty popular in Asian countries. Is it only a problem when it affects the US and other countries where it's still a bit of a niche? I know that some people don't want Psy to spread simply because he's "ugly" and that the hotter/younger artists should be the ones getting the attention.
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Date: 2012-09-04 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asnindie.livejournal.com
The special snowflake syndrome is something we're never gonna get rid of. I remember reading stuff where a fan was throwing venom at newer fans saying "I've been here for so long, hdu think you can just come in to Kpop", and this was from a fan who'd just found kpop in Feb.

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Date: 2012-09-04 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jcdhwg.livejournal.com
It's kinda true though imo, I'm from Europe and Gangnam style is currently #11 on our itunes chart. I talked about it with fellow Kpop fans from my country and all of them are saying 'I hope Kpop doesn't become popular here, I hope it stays with this one song', and I agree tbh. It's this thing that only a ~few~ people here know about and I want to keep it that way.

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Date: 2012-09-04 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chibiyunie.livejournal.com
Four things - still watching, so I might find more - that kind of peeked my interest are:

- The hardworking hours idols make. Sometimes when watching shows about the private lives of idols, I am just baffled by the time they work. Having around 4/5/6 hours sleep a night, go from radio program to dance practice to tv show and so forth. When I first got in to KPop, that was really new to me. I never imagined someone like Britney Spears or Lady GaGa (although they will work hard as well, obviously) having such schedules and training for 4-8 years, just to debut.

I also read a lot about how these idols most of the time do not even get paid for the actual work they are doing. I mean, if these idols did the exact same work in the US - they would probably be rich.

I sometimes feel sad for these idols as well, especially if you think about the fact that most of the idols are already training when they are 11-13, so they hardly get the chance to actually be a child. Plus I always feel like a child from that age does not really fully comprehend what it is to be an idol and that it is probably also parents that give them a push in that direction.

- Second thing that I noticed is how Kpop gives this glamorous image of SK. I have heard/read/seen a lot of people who want to go to SK (from a simple trip, to actually living there) simply because of Kpop. I just shake my head at these people for moving to a country without even knowing anything about it.

I speak from own experience, about 5 years ago when I was around 13 years old - I was completely in to Japan. Manga, Anime, Music and everything and I wanted to live there and all that. Until I got older and started to research the country more and found out that it is not as amazing as the shows and music make it seem it is.

- And thirdly, this complete obsession with being perfect in SK. Not just the plastic surgery that is a big hit (as well as other asian countries), but mostly when I just watch comments idols make or when reading articles.

This obsession they have with their weight, how bloated their faces are and so on. Mostly the weight is what bothers me a lot. So many of these idols are seriously underweight or how (Looking at you YG) CEO's in companies call their idols fat and that they should lose weight etc. It just bothers me.

- Lastly, how Korea tries to flock in tourist by the use of KPop idols. I never been in Korea - basing all my intelligence on what I know by reading and hearing from people who went/live there - but I always hear how it is a very closed country. There are foreigners, but no matter how hard you try - you will never become Korean and how that feeling will always be there especially if you are not Asian looking.

tl;dr
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Date: 2012-09-04 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asnindie.livejournal.com
I read it and I agree.

Date: 2012-09-04 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jcdhwg.livejournal.com
I kind of disagree on the visiting part though. Or at least that doesn't apply to all people. I went to korea last December, mainly because of Kpop. I went for about 10 days and spent my time on both Kpop and visiting the country, like I did go to inkigayo, YG fam concert, fanmeetings.. But I also visited namsam tower, museums, insadong, ectect. so idk, not all of us are ignorant/uninterested in Korea.

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Date: 2012-09-04 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hisjulliet.livejournal.com
Your comment is reminding me of when my friend told me she was dreaming of moving to SK (from being into kpop)

It's a lovely thing that kpop has made people took interest in SK more, but she has yet to realize the reality of her words. She's Mexican to start. Like gurl do you really think you're just gonna get there and everything is going to be like those videos you watch - with flashing lights and pixie dust and a perfect, beautiful society with hot Korean men?

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Date: 2012-09-04 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 22by7.livejournal.com
i definitely know quite a lot of people in my asian-but-not-'asian' (haha) country who watch a few glitzy kdramas and follow kpop and have a very... consumerist pov? like 'omg they have cool cars and electronics and leggy girl singers what's not to love!' and i'm like 'ok but if you actually want to live it's um, going to be a bit more complicated?' as long as they're aware. what the tourism industry is going to throw at you is so obvsly going to be a ridiculously pshopped version of reality, but it feels like what's being sold here is the pshopping skilz themselves. uhm this comment stopped making sense but yeah.

Date: 2012-09-04 08:06 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2012-09-05 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hopelessheartz.livejournal.com
I disagree with the idea that visiting part of your comment. I don't see anything wrong with Korean tourism companies using Kpop to drive in tourists, every country has its own attraction. And my last trip to Korea I spent a week and that was plenty of time to feel very very foreign. I started breaking out because I was covering my face all the time since people would stare often (I'm black if that makes a difference). Other visitors might be more oblivious but so be it, let them believe Korea is "perfect". I studied in Japan for 9 months, most people I know left with a different impression but there were still those idolizing the country most people have to experience the uglier side first hand before their views get changed.

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Date: 2012-09-04 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] epona.livejournal.com
Simon and Martina should never be given any say on anything ever.

Date: 2012-09-04 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gacchiri.livejournal.com
I actually thought they had a lot of interesting stuff to say. They kept getting cut off though. lol

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Date: 2012-09-04 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quietreveries.livejournal.com
....gangnam style is being RUINED by over-analysis

Date: 2012-09-04 06:13 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2012-09-04 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hisjulliet.livejournal.com
I agree with Martina that the idols are controlled even when they have social blogs like twitter. I'm not saying that all the things they post on their twitters are fake, but I haven't really experienced an idol actually say anything really negative about anything - whether it be about their day/work/food/etc - and I find that disturbing...

Date: 2012-09-04 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 22by7.livejournal.com
haha rite? the strongest, most personal writing i've seen by a kpop idol was probably some of the (translated) heechul blog entries i saw way back, can't remember if they were legit or not tho...

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Date: 2012-09-04 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanny-w.livejournal.com
lol why does she ask if kpop is an accurate depiction of korean society? i suppose hollywood is exactly how we all live on this side of the globe. entertainment is escapism. doesn't mean there is anything sinister behind it.

Date: 2012-09-04 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 22by7.livejournal.com
no, try again. entertainment industries everywhere have a lot to with a nation's self-image, anxieties, obsessions, etc., and of course the economy. just because it's not a cartoon conspiracy doesn't mean there isn't bad shit going down worth discussing.

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Date: 2012-09-04 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monster-mutt.livejournal.com
Simon & Martina make KPOP fans look stupid. I demand non-lame representation.

Date: 2012-09-04 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mjspice.livejournal.com
Al Jazeera on Omona?? *watches*

First, I think people are just being a little paranoid. Hallyu wave isn't even a new thing & had been around a while. Doesn't mean Kpop is gonna take over.

Second, agreed about the fact that PSY was brave enough to put out satire video. Stating your own opinion is what's really missing in the Korean industry.

Third, PSY did something that no other Kpop artist did. Make Kpop mainstream. Which he did in only 2 months. It took other kpop artists years but they weren't even able to bring it mainstream like that.

Date: 2012-09-04 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monster-mutt.livejournal.com
I posted Gangnam style on FB bc I have several fellow KPOP fans among my friends, and some [obviously stupid] people commented "How can you like this? It's so kitschy and lame!" and I replied to them that it's satire and actually really funny. I just don't get how you can watch that and not know it's satire.

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Date: 2012-09-04 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helveticalight.livejournal.com
In all honestly, the Hallyu Wave was one of the reasons why I could never fully enjoy kpop or at least idol music (I love k-indie, wish they'd have more international prominence). The cultural connotations/messages that a lot of idol music puts out has always rub me the wrong way, i.e. the obsession with image and perfection. Plus, the vicious system it encourages.

I do like that it was Psy that managed to make a crack at western artists and not the idol groups tbh. I also think it's worth noting that of all the songs/videos that made it, it's the one that makes fun of everything (the status, the flash, the money) that kpop generally likes to hype.

But I love how the video breaks down the politics behind the Korean entertainment industry. Nothing exist in a vacuum - especially when it comes to culture and cultural products.
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Date: 2012-09-05 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asnindie.livejournal.com
If onyl K-indie was promoted, I know band like Bluedawn and Donawhale could get followings in the US.

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Date: 2012-09-05 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seung-is-my-ho.livejournal.com
this video left me with many different reactions. I really thought what the activist had to say was very interesting. S. Korea, or specifically Seoul's city region, appeared to be alot like the US economically, politically, and even some culturally to me at 1st impression. but I soon found that's not the case. Seoul is very much like Taipei, Singapore, and other booming asian cities. Modern Seoul is pretty new, most of it's economy and development has popped up in the last 30 yrs or so. But the avg. income of Koreans is still far behind the buying power we take for granted in the US, Canada, or the UK. The credit card debt over there is pretty scary (idk, maybe the US has more in common with S. Korea than I judged.) And even though it's gov. is democratic, freedom of expression and access to media is heavily monitered or censored. I'd rather live in S. Korea than the PRC, but to me that would be the lesser of two evils so to speak. That's why I love Korea's underground hiphop scene, cause true hiphop is all about freedom of expression and not giving a crap about the status quo. I think the undergound musicians and Korean students frustrated with the system are the ones that are going to bring real progress to S. Korea. not Kpop. (to clarify, I am a kpop fan, but I try to stay objective.)
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Date: 2012-09-05 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeit91.livejournal.com
interesting video.

Date: 2012-09-06 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chanqsun.livejournal.com
very interesting...

Date: 2013-05-04 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tryxkittie.livejournal.com
haha old post but just found it and...Simon and Martina sound like morons. I'd rather listen to the other two talk.

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