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Within the past few years, the word “Hallyu” has become a used and abused term, to the point where the word itself no longer has a standard definition, but has come to mean different things in different countries
. At its most basic level, the Hallyu phenomenon represents the spread of Korean popular culture in countries other than Korea. From there on in, however, the specific definition of Hallyu changes depending on the country in question. In many East and Southeast Asian countries, Hallyu has become embedded within mainstream popular culture and music. On the other hand, Korean pop remains a niche interest in European and North American countries, with little widespread popularity to be seen.

The Hallyu effect in Japan, however, proves to be an interesting case. As evidenced by actors like Bae Yong-joon and Lee Byung-hun, as well as singers like BoA and DBSK — all who have become household names in Japan — it seems that Korean entertainment labels have always taken special care when promoting their artists in the Japanese market. While the Hallyu phenomenon was first identified in China and Taiwan in the late 90s (by Chinese scholars rather than Korean scholars, no less), it can be argued that Hallyu wasn’t a “big deal” to Korea until 2002, when Winter Sonata gained considerable popularity in Japan. From then on, it seemed as if Korean entertainment companies realized that they, too, had a shot at gaining a foothold in the prized Japanese market, but in order to do so, they had to proceed with caution.

The amount of detail and dedication required to maintain BoA and DBSK’s Japanese careers reflects this cautious attitude to a T. SM did not regard success in Japan as something to be conquered, but as something to be earned. BoA and DBSK debuted in a time when Hallyu was still a relatively new phenomenon and nothing was to be taken for granted. Generally speaking, Japan was (and still is) regarded with admiration and intimidation by many Asian countries in ways that spilled outside the realm of the entertainment industry. This fear has its roots in history, and to this day, many people in China and Korea regard Japan with a sense of both awe and loathing. It’s a complex phenomenon, but it does explain the intimidation and air of “untouchability” that Japan radiated, even after the success of Winter Sonata.

That said, BoA and DBSK could not rely on their popularity in Korea to propel themselves forward in Japan, because this was a time when the popularity of Korean pop culture wasn’t enough to do any “propelling” of any sort. SM knew this, and thus concluded that the only way that a Korean artist could make a name for themselves in Japan in that kind of environment is to play on the same field as all the other Japanese artists. And play they did; five years of hard work later, BoA was topping the Oricon charts and DBSK was performing at Tokyo Dome — but more importantly, both BoA and DBSK received the same level of respect from industry officials and the public as any other Japanese artist of equal caliber.

It’s easy to look at BoA and DBSK’s success and say that this is how all Japanese debuts should be done. In many ways, this claim is legitimate; BoA and DBSK not only put out some of their best material in Japan, but their harsh careers in Japan also helped them become better artists and performers in the long run. The results from BoA and DBSK’s hard work in Japan are undoubtedly positive, which is perhaps why BoA and DBSK have become the role models of almost every K-pop artist who is currently trying to make it in Japan. But though these new artists hold BoA and DBSK’s work in such high regard, why is it that nearly every K-pop artist is releasing cheap Japanese-language remakes of their old Korean singles in the Japanese market, and more importantly, why are these K-pop artists still respected in the Japanese music industry?

In the time between BoA and DBSK’s debut and now, a lot has changed about Hallyu and its level of influence across Asia. What started out as a mere cultural observation by a few Chinese journalists has since evolved into a huge cultural phenomenon that is prevalent in almost all parts of Asia and beyond. And Japan hasn’t been impervious to the change. While Japan still maintains a very strong and powerful entertainment industry of its own, there is a growing K-pop fanbase on Japan’s shores all the same, and this fanbase is oftentimes no different than the K-pop fan circles found in China or Singapore or the Philippines. Within the past few years, Japan has also become a customer of Hallyu, with a buyer demographic that is really no different than that of any other Asian country. K-pop has the same kind of appeal in Japan that it has in nearly every other Hallyuified Asian country — SHINee sold 24,000 tickets to their all-Korean material concert at Yoyogi National Gymnasium even before their official Japanese debut. Unlike before, where Korean artists had to fully integrate themselves in the Japanese music industry in order to have a chance at success, Japan has become a Hallyu-friendly region where K-pop artists can make a name for themselves simply by riding the Korean Wave. And there’s lots of money to be made in Japan, which is the reason why so many Korean entertainment companies have made Japan their target foreign market of choice and the reason why K-pop artists continue to debut in Japan and profit from the sale of Japanese-language singles that are no different from their Korean counterparts.

And there’s really nothing wrong with that.

Considering the climate of Hallyu in Japan today, there’s really no need for Korean artists to do a BoA/DBSK-styled debut anymore. In fact, to debut a la BoA/DBSK would be rather silly. The conventional route for Korean artists to debut in Japan has already been established, and it would be strange for a K-pop artists to deviate from that convention and make more trouble for themselves without any guarantee of success.

K-pop and J-pop fans alike seem to be disgruntled over the simplistic and ‘lazy’ approach that many K-pop artists have taken in Japan, but this disgruntlement seems to lie in the belief that the Japanese market deserves special treatment. This ‘special treatment’ might have been deserved and necessary back in the early-mid 2000s when Hallyu was still a budding phenomenon, but not anymore. There was once a time when Japan was held as an unattainable goal for Korean entertainers, but that is no longer the case. As far as Korean entertainment is concerned, Japan has been swept up by Korean fan culture all the same — and that is more than enough for K-pop to establish a solid footing in the Japanese market.

But with this phenomenon comes a certain loss. As aforementioned, the road for Korean entertainers in Japan has been established, and it is difficult (if not pointless) for a Korean artist to attempt to enter the Japanese market in any other way. Therefore, it has become virtually impossible for a Korean artist to debut in Japan in the same way as BoA and DBSK and enjoy the same level of success. Groups like DGNA the Boss and Supernova both tried to debut in Japan in the same way as DBSK and BoA, but they have been deemed ‘flops’ in comparison to the hordes of other K-pop artists in Japan who are surfing high on the Korean Wave. And that’s a real shame, because it’s almost indisputable that BoA and DBSK’s works in Japan are far less superfluous and far more substantial than the constant remakes and Hallyufied success that K-pop artists are now restricted to. As it currently stands, K-pop is locked into its own Hallyufied, fandomized niche of Japanese culture, where the hard work and detail put into BoA and DBSK’s careers wouldn’t only be unnecessary, but inefficient. The result? Korean idols will be penned into their own “Hallyu” box, with little hope of ever really meshing with the rest of the Japanese music industry.

But one should make the most of every situation, and Korean entertainment companies should take care in maximizing the quality of their products whenever possible. Unfortunately, this hasn’t been the case. When working in Japan, one should try to work with Japanese staff and produce songs written by Japanese composers to maximize the chances of achieving an aesthetic that is, at the least, reminiscent with the aesthetic of the current Japanese music scene. SNSD has done a relatively good job of this, as their Japanese album was produced by Japanese staff and their MVs are clearly shot in a very J-poppish style. But other groups such as SHINee and U-Kiss seem to be taking songs that would normally go on any other Korean record, creating Japanese lyrics, and slapping the tracks onto a Japanese album or single. The composition credits on SHINee’s first Japanese album are filled with the names of Swedish composers — the same composers that SM routinely employs for their artists’ Korean releases.  Korean entertainment companies have complete control over their artists’ material, if nothing else. But the fact that there’s virtually no distinction between SHINee’s Korean material and Japanese material is very disheartening.

Japan is a unique market for K-pop in many ways, but not because it’s deserving of any kind of special treatment or elevated respect above that of any other Asian market. It’s unique because it’s an extremely profitable market, and many Korean entertainment companies have chosen to release exclusive material in Japan in order to maximize this profit margin. But apart from that, the climate of Hallyu in Japan has changed, and while the thought of more Korean artists like BoA and DBSK making a respectable name for themselves in Japan is an appealing one, it’s not necessarily possible in this current day and age. Rather than berating Korean entertainment companies for their ‘cheapness,’ perhaps it would be wiser to consider Hallyu’s current flow in the Japanese market and the ways that are currently most efficient for Korean entertainment companies to make the best of their investments in Japan.


This article is nicely written imo and raise a very good point regarding debut stratgy.

Source: Seoulbeats

Date: 2012-01-24 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yejun.livejournal.com
IDK I don't agree with CSS being flops in Japan.
They might not have gotten first place on the charts but the name Choshinsei is well known in Japan to a level
groups like SHINee and U-KISS are not. I guess it depends on how you look at "success".
SHINee's goal with their debut in Japan and DGNA's goal with their debut in Japan is probably 100% different.. so.

Also, in regards to;
The composition credits on SHINee’s first Japanese album are filled with the names of Swedish composers — the same composers that SM routinely employs for their artists’ Korean releases.
That doesn't mean much per say because looking at a record by any JE artist will probably give you the same thing.
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Date: 2012-01-24 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oldwillow-brook.livejournal.com
They had another article a few days ago that talked about the Japanese few point of K-pop/Hallyu Wave and I thought that was also super interesting. They talked about the different view points of an Idol in Japan and an Idol in Korea, and what exactly the Japanese think about K-pop.

And on that note I really really hate that after all the incredibly hard work Tohoshinki went through, and how they were considered Japanese artists, they go on hiatus, come back and SME spews out some bullshit crap music and now Tohoshinki are considered to be apart of the Hallyu Wave.

Completely disappointing. It just bothers me so freaking much :/

Date: 2012-01-24 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vulgarchic.livejournal.com
do you have a link to the article? i can't seem to find it

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Date: 2012-01-24 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pekojan.livejournal.com
she is not a Japanese. only an international j-pop fan since 2008.

and sorry if I get you wrong, but "bullshit crap music"?

THSK has many decent songs other than Superstar if it's the thing you are talking about.

Also, THSK is still considered J-Pop in Japan. In yearly music chart, their stuffs belong to J-Pop ranking, while SNSD, KARA and others are ranked in K-Pop artists categories.
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Date: 2012-01-24 01:09 pm (UTC)
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I get what you're coming from but don't see anything wrong with TVXQ being retroactively considered part of Hallyu as long as they're recognised for their achievements and contributions to its growth. In fact, I don't think it would make sense for them and BoA to not be a part of it considering how much of the groundwork they laid back when the wave was still nameless scattered ripples. TVXQ do both J-pop and K-pop well and are still known for it, are often praised for being among the leaders of Hallyu. Perhaps the bigger issue is the overall quality of current Japanese releases by Hallyu artistes not being as good as it could be and negatively reflecting on the Hallyu brand.

Having said that, I've really liked all of TVXQ's post-comeback Japanese releases… Even 'Superstar'.

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Date: 2012-01-24 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cast-no-shadow0.livejournal.com
"K-pop and J-pop fans alike seem to be disgruntled over the simplistic and ‘lazy’ approach that many K-pop artists have taken in Japan, but this disgruntlement seems to lie in the belief that the Japanese market deserves special treatment. This ‘special treatment’ might have been deserved and necessary back in the early-mid 2000s when Hallyu was still a budding phenomenon, but not anymore."

hmmm, interesting point and I kind of agree with it.

"When working in Japan, one should try to work with Japanese staff and produce songs written by Japanese composers to maximize the chances of achieving an aesthetic that is, at the least, reminiscent with the aesthetic of the current Japanese music scene."

I don't necessarily agree with this, I understand that to become popular you might do this, but if it's truly a Hallyu wave, then shouldn't Japan like k-pop for what it is and not for trying to conform to Japanese standards? Other international artists don't do this in Japan, why should k-pop? I just think if they are going to have Japanese songs, they should have Japanese helping them with the lyrics/pronunciation.

Date: 2012-01-24 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] funkaliciousss.livejournal.com
yea ia with you. japanese people can get their own jpop, they don't need a watered down imitation from korea. kpop shouldn't be required to change itself fundamentally just to break into the japanese market.

Date: 2012-01-24 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-cheshire-grin.livejournal.com
Wow...one of the better written articles about KPop in Japan!

I like it and I can agree with almost everything the writer said.

Date: 2012-01-24 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrsxiah1612.livejournal.com
i like this article

Date: 2012-01-24 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yunho.livejournal.com
agreed with pretty much everything in this article.

But the fact that there’s virtually no distinction between SHINee’s Korean material and Japanese material is very disheartening.

shinee is just a group of talentless pretty boys riding on the successes of other artists like boa, dbsk, and snsd. dgna's strategy may seem like it's made them flops in japan, but at least they've shown they can actually sing, dance, and perform. i have so much more respect for them than the other idiots trying to cheat their way into the japanese music industry.

Date: 2012-01-24 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amina-yui.livejournal.com
Do you really think SHINee is without talent?

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Date: 2012-01-24 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bea-chan22.livejournal.com
This is way better than the previous Seoulbeat article.

Honestly, it's almost impossible for current K-Pop groups in Japan to do the same path that BoA and Tohoshinki took before because the context is different because of Hallyu Wave.

I think the way to explain the seemingly "half-assed" promotions in Japan is that it's rooted to how K-Pop works today - fans are more fickle-minded that's why a lot of these groups can't seem to focus 100% on their overseas promotions. Correct me if I'm wrong but during BoA and Toho's period was that fans in general were a lot less fickle-minded (maybe this is also due to less number of artists that time).

My judgment is a bit haywire now, forgive me for this irrelevant comment.

Date: 2012-01-24 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinobu-k.livejournal.com
IA with you, there's too much groups and fans don't give 100% of their time/attention/money only to one group. I fact I need to "forget" about some bands from time to time to get into a new fandom.

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Date: 2012-01-24 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anconeous.livejournal.com
This article's much better than their previous articles regarding this topic.

And yes, I don't think anyone can really do a DBSK-style Japanese debut anymore. I mean, sure, DBSK debuted in Japan at the peak of their career in Korea, but they were complete nugus in Japan. Nowadays, we can't expect others to do the same. Interest in K-pop is its peak. Groups like SNSD can't debut as nugus when they already have a rather large fanbase in Japan just waiting for them. It just doesn't work like that anymore.

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Date: 2012-01-24 01:07 pm (UTC)
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Agree with most of the article. Much better than the angsty half-arsed one from last week.
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Date: 2012-01-24 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] funkaliciousss.livejournal.com
When working in Japan, one should try to work with Japanese staff and produce songs written by Japanese composers to maximize the chances of achieving an aesthetic that is, at the least, reminiscent with the aesthetic of the current Japanese music scene. SNSD has done a relatively good job of this, as their Japanese album was produced by Japanese staff and their MVs are clearly shot in a very J-poppish style.

O RLY???

But other groups such as SHINee and U-Kiss seem to be taking songs that would normally go on any other Korean record, creating Japanese lyrics, and slapping the tracks onto a Japanese album or single. The composition credits on SHINee’s first Japanese album are filled with the names of Swedish composers — the same composers that SM routinely employs for their artists’ Korean releases. Korean entertainment companies have complete control over their artists’ material, if nothing else. But the fact that there’s virtually no distinction between SHINee’s Korean material and Japanese material is very disheartening.

Lol they criticised SHINee for this and completely ignored the fact that SNSD's album was basically guilty of the same thing?

Date: 2012-01-24 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miwa201.livejournal.com
There is a big distinction between Soshi's Japanese and Korean music though (disregarding remakes). They are marketed as mature young women in Japan, while Korea still wants them to do their aegyo stuff. There was no aegyo song on Girls' Generation, while The Boys had at least three.

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Date: 2012-01-24 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinobu-k.livejournal.com
why is it that nearly every K-pop artist is releasing cheap Japanese-language remakes of their old Korean singles in the Japanese market
SM is saving money to buy a few new lights for SUJU's MV set XD

Japan has become a Hallyu-friendly region where K-pop artists can make a name for themselves simply by riding the Korean Wave

I agree that releasing the same song changing the language only is at least boring but this stament seems like they just sit and watch as sales rises and that's not true, even if it's the same song they still need to learn the language, dance, go to tv programs to promote, etc.

but this disgruntlement seems to lie in the belief that the Japanese market deserves special treatment

IA, they don't need to put that much care with other countries, everyone it's ok to try to listening or to learn korean to understand their songs. If not, you can always google for the english translation. But japanese want it in japanese and if it's a pre-released song, they whine because omg how could they be that lazy and not make a new japanese song for us? They want everything and they want it now. And I'm saying this as a both j-pop and k-pop fan (people tend to think you're one or other but that's a wrong assumption too), a really japanese-biased person but this kind of "we deserve it better than the rest of the world" mentality, I can't stand it. I understand people love to make a fuss of everything, I do too but to say the groups are lazy because the company doesn't want to invest money or time making new songs piss me off. BUT then I've to agree with this and many Korean entertainment companies have chosen to release exclusive material in Japan in order to maximize this profit margin and that's mainly the reason why they treat japanese better.

one should try to work with Japanese staff and produce songs written by Japanese composers

Sounds plain stupid to me tbh, they should work with whoever they feel would give them the material they're trying to make, not caring about nationality of the person who worked in it. As some omonaers said, japanese artist have european or american composer/staff, why can't kpop do the same then?


making a respectable name for themselves in Japan is an appealing one, it’s not necessarily possible in this current day and age
Of course it's possible but my question is; Are companies going to invest more money to do it that way if they can earn more in less time?

Date: 2012-01-24 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] funkaliciousss.livejournal.com
ia with everything you said tbh, especially with regards to your opinions on the special treatment for the Japanese.

to add on to that, i think the craycray international jpop/jmedia fans also contribute greatly to this demand for special treatment. they also seem to be the most ridiculously nationalistic about it when i think most Japanese people don't even care just take a look at kpop posts in arama

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Date: 2012-01-24 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nickynisa.livejournal.com
"BoA and DBSK careers success in Japan bcoz of their details and dedications, debuted when Hallyu was still a relatively new phenomenon and nothing was to be taken for granted"

so damn true...

tbh when i was really new to kpop and jpop, i thought BoA was japanese not korean bcoz she was featured in alot of articles related to jpop.. and about DBSK, they started in Japan from scratch.. and look where they stand now.. proud of them..

Date: 2012-01-24 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xshinebrighterx.livejournal.com
Maybe they haven't had a Tokyo Dome concert and they haven't gotten a #1 in Oricon, but Supernova is nowhere near a flop in Japan. Who exactly has deemed them so?
In fact, I'd dare to say they have the strongest, most loyal fanbase just after TVXQ.
That being said, they (and DGNA) are by no means comparable to TVXQ, BoA or any other kpop group who jumped to Japa. All of them were very popular in Korea when they debuted in Japan and, thanks to the popularity of Hallyu, they already had a starting fanbase when they debuted. In the case of Shinee, for example, that starting popularity has declined with each release, but Supernova started with nothing and they build everything they have from zero.

Maybe they still aren't as popular as TVXQ or BoA, but going from being total flops in Korea to filling venues like Saitama Super Arena and Yokohama Arena is not what I consider a failure.

Date: 2012-01-24 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitsujiga.livejournal.com
now dis article is well written and points out important stuff. i have not given up on this world yet 8/

agree on how snsd's album was so much better than shinee's just bc they put more effort into it (not sure if it's bc of japanese staff/producers). and also debuting shinee with all their previous material and no special strategy just shows how much they milk the pretty boy-image to make the cash. i dunno what it is and why it is like this but i hate they treat their artists differently. snsd makes a lot of cash, but if they would put more effort into shinee or any other group it would be the same. shinee can't become the second dbsk, but they are probably worth of the same success. just milking the japanese market bc it's hallyu-time is stupid. if you give snsd a slight chance in japan, give a chance to your other artists, too.

Date: 2012-01-25 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-chikin.livejournal.com
Our babies could do so well in Japan with the right strategy. I still hope SM/EMI will redeem themselves and change their wicked ways.

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Date: 2012-01-24 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yunhalove.livejournal.com
IDK, I much prefer Cho Shin Sei/DGNA's methods, however 'impractical' this article claims they are. Even if they make less sales/other kpop acts depending solely on Hallyu get initially higher sales, you can't deny that starting from scratch and building up a respectable reputation lends a certain longevity to an artist/group's success- one that I think eventually leads to more substantial monetary success as well.

For example, FT Island started off as a bunch of indie nugus and their starting fanbase was pretty insignificant compared to Shinee's or SNSD. They have now had a concert at the Budokan, which is a pretty huge feat in and of itself, after gradually building up their fanbase. Hongki's starred in a drama, too. For CSS, Geonil's new drama or w/e is getting lots and lots of attention from Japanese broadcast stations because of his devoted fanbase back in Japan, which you just don't get w/ other hallyu groups. Same for DGNA, so far they've mostly been appearing on small time variety shows and the like but you can tell their fanbase is getting bigger and bigger all the time. As a fan I'm actually glad they've been taking it slow and gaining experience before making an appearance on big talk shows because that way they won't need a translator or embarrass themselves on big programs like Heyx3. Plus with their language skills they've been able to make repeat appearances on places like niconico, that aren't exactly mainstream but get their name out there regardless. Not to mention Karam and his starring in a japanese movie, etc. It's a risky, longterm investment, sure, but at least they won't be one-hit wonders like a lot of these hallyu groups end up being and people will recognize them as something more than a niche group.

Date: 2012-01-24 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toomanysides.livejournal.com
"When working in Japan, one should try to work with Japanese staff and produce songs written by Japanese composers to maximize the chances of achieving an aesthetic that is, at the least, reminiscent with the aesthetic of the current Japanese music scene. SNSD has done a relatively good job of this, as their Japanese album was produced by Japanese staff and their MVs are clearly shot in a very J-poppish style. "

I thought most of SNSD's album was by western producers? I love the album but it isn't particularly Jpop. Odd given how KARA would of been a better example yet isn't mentioned anywhere in this article.

"But though these new artists hold BoA and DBSK’s work in such high regard, why is it that nearly every K-pop artist is releasing cheap Japanese-language remakes of their old Korean singles in the Japanese market"

Don't act like DBSK and BOA didn't do remakes either. Popular KPOP artist of course have the advantage debuting in Japan now. But it's hardly any guarantee for success. The only ones relevant are KARA, SNSD, and DBSK in Japan.

Date: 2012-01-24 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dilettantka.livejournal.com
this article seems a little more clued-in; I guess the question is "do K-Pop artists want to break through and just be artists, or are they ok being sold as part of the K-Pop phenomenon, which has a more limited audience and shelf life."

Date: 2012-01-25 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-chikin.livejournal.com
Mostly true. But I'd ask shift the subject to the companies behind the artists, since they have the real decisional power.

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From: [identity profile] dilettantka.livejournal.com - Date: 2012-01-25 10:21 pm (UTC) - Expand

Date: 2012-01-24 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weerainbow.livejournal.com
Thanks for posting this, it's very interesting and gives plenty of food for thought.

Date: 2012-01-25 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noirsama.livejournal.com
Pretty much agree with this article...

Date: 2012-01-25 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firizsan.livejournal.com
this article is so SM-biased. even KARA's Japanese songs sound way much better than SNSD!

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