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i really hope other members besides rm will get to answer questions and they will put subtitles on for them.

slightly ot, but their schedule in korea right now is crazy. why are they doing some unknown award show and opening for some water sports games, plus tons of music shows that take many hours to record? they could have just done a couple music shows like they did for idol, and the rest could just be fan meetings. they're already household names in korea anyway. they still need to rest before their stadium tour too, and they're getting injured already from that dionysus choreo. i was so glad to see the more laid-back bwl choreo too and yet that didn't last for too long

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sorry, i meant only one fansign instead of a fanmeeting before going on tour. they could even broadcast their seoul concert on TV like a concert movie like beyonce does on HBO or something to reduce having to do all those long recordings for shows.

the award shows i really don't get. maybe if you're a rookie it can be good exposure but even their schedules aren't completely empty to do all of these award shows. it's always the same format with the same voting system too. bts always gets too tired by the end of the season anyway so it's better for them to do a couple of excellent award performances like the mma that people will talk about for many months to come than a bunch of decent forgettable performances. i don't know what bighit is doing with them. the members keep talking about wanting to perform at the grammys and the superbowl and for that they need to spend more time in the US

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yeah i don't know if it's all korean artists but idols definitely perform much more than western artists plus they have those long recording times for music shows, music videos, etc.

if they do ever do the superbowl it would not be anytime soon. travis scott still had to become mainstream before he was invited even to perform with maroon 5. for the grammys they definitely do have a chance because acts that don't top the hot 100 get to perform there, and tt's more about showcasing different kinds of music whereas for the Superbowl the people that choose who gets to perform there are more conservative, and unfortunately there are still a lot of people in the US that don't like to listen to something that's not in english. i agree that sometimes they don't really think through their goals. sure, in korea they really follow American pop culture closely but does the rest of the word pay a lot of attention to superbowl performances? idk. maybe a world cup performance would be more fitting for their world domination goal. although it seems like they've toned down their goals recently like suga only talked about winning at the bbmas and not anything about the hot 100 or more long-term

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but in a way, i think they sometimes say unrealistic things to see if it actually comes true...

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yeah he just said he wants to focus on doing well on the stadium tours and like rm said living in the moment. yeah bts stans really celebrate the rankings like #1s etc. when longevity is much more important. hopefully with all the radio support this time they can last longer on the hot 100 charts besides one week.

yeah for the world cup they could perform idol. it would be perfect for that lol. plus most of the world are fans of soccer whereas football is mostly enjoyed by americans even though you could see some epic performances in the past like beyonce's performances. the NFL itelf is racist and misogynist trash though so i would rather they not perform at the superbowl at all

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I agree about their schedule.
Unless they are getting paid millions they really need to be on vocal rest before their stadium tour because most of them seem to have vocal issue intermittently during their lives.

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seriously. i can't believe and at the same time i can believe how reckless bighit is with them. sure, three of the members are producers/songwriters but the other 4's current careers really depend on the condition of their bodies and vocal chords. they're basically athletes, and to put them under so much unnecessary strain is too much. jimin's voice seems to have changed the most for me. i don't know if there's some damage already or he just changed his singing technique but he sounded different on serendipity than he does now. of course their voices get tired too just like their bodies, so it's possible they would sound better if they got more rest.
blackpink really have the best situation right now performing and gaining experience at coachella and their US concerts while also getting to party it up at coachella without flying back and forth

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I guess I’ve thought about why they would do these dinky music shows that get .2% viewer ratings and I just have come to believe it’s what BTS want to do. Namjoon said in burn the stage they wanted to achieve success in the west but on their own terms. They’ve also been accused of seeking western validation at the expense of their Korean roots. This is them trying to give Korean fans & people face time with these dumb music shows & award shows. Also them deciding to never attend western after parties. I assume they think the risk of being at these events isn’t worth it. It’s not because they don’t like to party. We’ve seen them drink loads on bon voyage & vlives I feel
bad they feel like they have to balance the expectations of both the western industry & fans and Korean industry, fans and just the citizens of the country judging their every move. Pressure

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yeah i really wish the president hadn't made them basically the representative of all of korea when they're abroad. i can't imagine the pressure when you just want to be an artist and express yourself or just a small group of people. idk. they've always had a western influence in their music from the west coast hip hop sound of no dream to other songs having influences from kanye, amine, to j.cole to rick ross, so i don't get where the accusation comes from entirely, is it because of the mic drop remix that was mostly english and more of a club banger? if they wanted to give back to the korean audience they could just do the award show or the water sports tournament ceremony. idk. plus they had that epic mma performance of idol which i though really made an impact idk.

yeah the after party comes with risks but it would be nice to see them be more like regular 20 year olds too lol but you're right since they still have an idol image in korea it would seem too scandalous of them. plus they would probably be passed out from the jet lag after the awards anyway

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This is random but i can't imagine having lots of fun partying with the huge elephant in the room a.k.a. THE language barier. I remember how the rest of the group got panicked when rm went to the toilet during that one time they're at some event backstage and then someone came to say hello and they just lost their sh*t. Imagine this happen during parties, i mean, they basically have to move as a herd of seven or some simple misunderstanding could've turned disastrous. and while this might sounds amusing to us, could be pretty stressful esspecially when they just want to come and have fun.
Idk maybe i'm reading too much, besides i personally don't think that enjoying youth have to always be equal to joining parties (or i'm just being my antisocial self, idk) :)

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Lol well we know by now that it's probably not all that different in Korea so as long as they have a chaperone what's the worst that could happen?

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They're still Big Hit's main group so they can't afford to offend any of these shows and jeopardise the relationship for when they want (or need) future groups to perform at these I think.

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yeah that makes sense. in the end they're still an idol company so they're going to be thinking of their future profits rather than their artists as individuals with rights for rest and health

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i really hope other members besides rm will get to answer questions and they will put subtitles on for them.

they had voice over translations when the other member's spoke.

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yeah i just saw it. it was so weird to me lol but at least you could hear their speaking voices in the beginning. i should've known that american network tv is not ready for subtitles haha

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Oh good lord, no. Not even for Deaf Americans. Fuck them all.. spoken English or gtfo

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They're getting injured? How do you know?

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there are videos and fanaccounts on twitter of them twisting their ankles, falling of the greek furniture/ moving prop things and taehyung tearing up from pain, jungkook slamming chin first into the floor when doing the push up move. that rolling over the table move looks really dangerous too. the dionysus choreo is intense af. sure, injuries are par for the course but when it's only been a couple of performances and this is already happening. it's a good thing they're not performing it for music shows anymore but they should change the choreo for the tour to make it more low-risk.

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Oh shit 😰

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to everyone asking why are they working bts to the ground: seokjin enlists next year. which means the rest will follow year after year.

theyre trying to take advantage of their popularity now.

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We've talked about this before...(at least I think it was you lol) but they would be fine musically without Jin. It will be a drastic change when Suga and Namjoon respectively enlist.

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once he turns 28 he can’t put it off any longer unless he already had a doctorate in the pipeline from before the rules changed last year (and I’m assuming he doesn’t or it’ll long be completed before next year). so most 92s will be enlisting next year, 91s have to go this year. xiumin was supposed to go last year but he was still working on his doctorate when they changed the rules so he was grandfathered in.

either way, with the amount of material bts usually is able to cram into each year I think they’ll be able to fit a lot in between the rest of this year and the entirety of next before he has to go (and yoongi is not far behind him).

the only thing I’m wondering is how they’ll get around the travel restrictions. men between the ages of 25-27 are restricted to five international trips now with the maximum duration of each being six months. I know for a fact that jin and yoongi both have probably exceeded that already with touring plus US engagements, so I’m wondering if their government connections are giving them a pass on that rule.

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I’m blanking on who it was but there was at least one idol last year who wasn’t allowed to travel anymore because of those new rules. but he’s the only one I know of. I’m thinking big idol groups like exo and bts are not beholden to those same rules for obvious reasons lol

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While I don't condone burn out, I agree. Music groups have a SHORT shelf life, especially in SK. Just the other day, I mentioned SNSD and someone (Korean) said Oh, they're some irrelevant old group and it gave me cognitive dissonance, especially since just a few years ago SNSD seemed UNSTOPPABLE. BTS, while I love 'em to bits, will become has-beens at some point so why not crank out all they can for a few years while they can?

I'm a writer, I know tons of artists and we all kind of know when you don't produce, you become irrelevant FAST. I know dancers who say I would LOVE to take a year-long break, but if I do? I won't catch up.

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"BoA sold like 10k albums last comeback after selling 500k at her peak. Not to sound dramatic but the level of disrespect...far too much."

LOL, as someone who got into BoA back in the days of Jpop IA!

I don't know why this is either, but I noticed it's not just with music. With my Korean friends, any movie that is a year old is 'old' and I'm here like LOL, there are still movies from 2014 I'm still trying to catch up on.

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so true. so sad how older groups are forgotten. like wonder girls... i was always a bigger snsd fan but i appreciate that wonder girls paved the way for the new wave of music trends etcs. but they're hardly remembered by the newer generation except for sunmi.
and also because the vocal line is... well, maybe 2 of them could make it as solo artists. jin and jimin just don't have strong enough voices to hold their own. watching the encore from music bank(?) when they actually sung the whole song live, it's clear that jimin can't actually last very long singing on his own. while he was still on tune, his voice was tiny by the end of the song.

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Just watched a longer clip of their dance practice for CBS and the full dance practice on YouTube and they’re just adorable, and the dance is delightfully cheesy in a good way. Somehow seeing the dance performed in regular clothes made me like it so much more than seeing it performed in their stage/MV outfits.

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I love seeing these kinds of footage. Gives us a view of what’s it like behind the scene. I really wish they would rest :( I was reading some music show fan accounts and everyone mentioned how they looked so tired. J-hope at one point kept drinking so much water because he was losing his voice. Their schedule is seriously ridiculous. I still remember them cancelling some of their Japanese concerts in 05 because they were missing like 2-3 members due to exhaustion.

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I get that this is a prestigious name and a great opportunity for them but I am so annoyed at seeing Blackpink looking cute and living it up at Coachella all week looking like real likeable girls and meeting/networking with cool young people and other artists yet BTS is running on Red Bull getting their umpteenth year of scripted questions, embarrassing collabs and repetitive staged "behind the scenes" features on mom and dad TV with RM often still having to play translator instead.

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Oh no definitely not saying YG is doing a good job, they lucked out in this case, especially since the girls can communicate in English without help! Just that with all the competition around numbers and records and whatnot BTS are the winner by a long shot but if I got to be one or the other...I'd pick being in Blackpink in a heartbeat, lol. It's kind of a poetic reality check to see that the winners are going through a super rough time yet the "losers" are the ones having the time of their life - I'm sure they're going to have a hard time again once this is over but it's unreal that they're in shitty-ass YG and seemingly still got the better deal. I hope they get to make lots of friends while they're overseas.

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Yeah we know they're not going to give them what they need to thrive because YG wants to do it his own dated ineffective way or not at all. I don't see BTS level success for them but they could kill it in their own niche and make regular appearances in the West but accepting the reality is seen as accepting defeat for these companies so they'd rather let them flop at something that was never in the cards for them and lie about foreign achievements as mediaplay in Korea rather than "settle" for something great. Someone needs to burn that company down and rebuild it with entirely female staff.

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seeing all of the pictures of blackpink living it up at coachella this weekend (not just photo ops but actually partying with celebs) just made me think of bts always skipping the after parties at the awards shows they’ve gone to. that’s kind of a huge perk when you’ve made it to that level, not to mention networking and just having fun. I know armys think it’s sweet that they always come back to do a vlive for them after these events but for once I’m sure they’d like to party.

I get that it’s a different dynamic being a boy group because I don’t think bts partying (especially with female celebs) would go over too well with fans. and yeah, 3/4 of blackpink are fluent in english which makes everything easier in terms of communication and I think their male fans aren’t at the same level as army is with bts in terms of being jealous and possessive.

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I agree on everything you said. Like I get why they do the vlives/skip the after parties, but I feel like at the same time it will hinder them in the longrun to not take those moments to network and present themselves a little more relatablely in the public eye.

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It's not even just the parties - they don't even freely get to go to amusement parks anymore. I know fans will make the argument that they're too busy for that stuff now but it's total bullshit that they can't get a few days off on their tours to do some under the radar sightseeing.

Jennie just posted a picture of her hugging Billie Eilish while BTS are out there namedropping her in closed off monitored interviews hoping she hears or Big Hit finds the right people to pay for a collab. It's tragic.

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I think the fact that they don't speak English well enough to communicate is one of the biggest symptoms of this really. Like Big Hit almost wants them to stay dependent so they are limited in their foreign interactions - I know it's hard to learn English but they've been international for what, three years now? If the company wanted them to be able to communicate on a basic level they would have learned enough English to get by at this point but that's not what they're investing their time in. I honestly don't see what the payoff for these ongoing bland media activities is for them at this point.

I think it's really weird that they have to prove their supposed loyalty to their fans by totally abstaining from socialising like that. Not only is it insulting to think that every interaction would be sexual somehow but if they truly want to party with girls they will, they'll just do it in Korea instead. I get that they have an image to uphold but the post-event "don't worry guys we're not seeing anyone but you!" broadcasts and the pictures they have with other people where it's obviously a super controlled environment and there's tons of staff around really rub me the wrong way, like their company -and- their own fans don't even trust them to mess up? They're allowed to have real friends outside of their groups, in fact they need it if they're going to have to tell the opportunistic assholes from the actual nice/creative people they're looking to work with.

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totally agree. its really unfair to rm as well to have him carry the burden of communication especially now that their promotions in the us have grown to double what they were just two years ago. I understand how hard it is to learn a new language and that's just from me trying to learn on leisure time/not related to my job at all. but because its now an integral part of their jobs it really should be a priority of bighit to get them some tutors. I really appreciate jungkook for taking the time to study english and it seems he's making some good progress! and he mentioned that he wants to help out rm during the interviews etc which is super sweet!! plus there's a huuuuge chunk of their fandom now that is english-speaking so I'm sure they want to communicate with them.

these promo rounds are good bc they're being exposed to different audiences... but they don't get to show off their personalities at all because of the language barrier which sucks. especially on morning shows and some of the late night talk shows they've been doing... those are really based on banter with the hosts. that's def why their promo has been so surface level, same questions, same focus on the same elements we've seen before.

and yeah I thought the initial v live after their first win at one of these things was cute, but now its just like ?? are they getting the chance to enjoy ANY of the perks that come with this level of popularity and fame? I'm sure its intimidating for them not speaking the language, but they get along with Halsey well enough, and I'm sure celebs in their age group like Shawn Mendes and billie eilish and khalid, Jaden smith, etc would love to connect with them as they have with blackpink. I agree that we get a really sanitized version of bts when they're in the states. you don't even see clips of them exploring the cities they visit anymore which sucks.

sort of unrelated but kind of relevant... but jimin's whole crew outside of bts (kai, teemin, timeteo, sungwoon, ravi, and their non celeb friend) are all vacationing in the Philippines together rn and I wish he could have been there lol

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RM is so obviously done playing translator for them, I can't think of any good reason they have for making him do this. They travel with an army of staff so it's not to save money. JK should get the chance to speak more, it sounds like he's improved so much and the fans (the main people actually enjoying these activities) would love to hear him speak more even if it's not perfect! Thinking back to AHL days V is also really good at getting past the language barrier and communicating with few words, and Jin is also a lot better than he lets on, so there is definitely potential for them to do a mix of English and speaking via translator depending on the activity.

I've said this a lot on here about their promo rounds but I don't see them doing anything other than work as mediaplay headlines in Korea at all. The flinch and fortnite dance segments worked perfectly as that sort of thing is 100% up their alley but the other stuff...not only is the target audience for that not the type of person that will easily get on board with them (which is what they're aiming at) but they also just seem boring af on it when they're not.

I am convinced Jimin would much rather be on that vacation than doing whatever he's being put through now!

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BTS is in a toxic relationship with ARMYs, there, I said it.

The way they credit every success to them, kinda disregarding their own work, the way they avoid scandals/dating/parties/etc to keep ARMYs ~trust and loyalty, how they baby each other... it's not healthy lmao.

I get how crucial ARMYs have been for where they are now and their accomplishments, fans are a super important part of an artist's career, but BTS is just too ott about it, whether is genuine or not.

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