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- Yoongi talks about Yoonji, promises a broadcast with Holly, explains how it feels to be a super star
- Taehyung, Hoseok and Lee Hyun visit him
- Yoongi and Taehyung mention practicing and recording of the new album
- Yoongi talks about producing one of the songs for Epik High's album (Eternal Sunshine comes out on March 11)

source: BTS vlive channel

Date: 2019-03-10 09:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katheli.livejournal.com
this was really cute. Taegi are adorable. Yoongi seemed really happy on his birthday overall, with all the updates and selcas...cute.

that one critic "randomly" sharing his interview with Yoongi where he said all the members support the line distribution even if someone doesn't get much to do, combined with Jimin's similar statement in Namjoon's last vlive however makes me....not anticipate this comeback. Is Taehyung ever gonna have lines again? His solo music just doesn't cut it for me with that airy style, I need him to sing on BTS songs. Alas. Doesn't seem like it'll happen at this point.

I don't get why Bighit keeps not understanding that if they just threw fans a bone with B-sides here and there where other members get good parts they could avoid a lot of the fuss that is made every time. But I really do think they just don't like some of the vocals and are unwilling to compromise their vision for them.

Date: 2019-03-10 11:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] negativesunset.livejournal.com
their line distribution really is terrible, like i don't think it's possible for everyone to have an equal number of parts but i remember some songs where someone would actually have 0 lines lol
and i don't see the other members (or atleast the 3 that are coming to mind when it comes to barely having lines) actually complaining about it, so maybe that can count as "support" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Date: 2019-03-10 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katheli.livejournal.com
yeah, like 0 lines (or half a line, shared with someone else) is kinda insulting if you think about it. And at the very least, then try to make sure those members get some more spotlight in other songs, but instead it's then considered good if they at least get two lines in there (hey, it's more than zero I guess).

the members who have said something about their fair and supportive line distribution were all members who typically aren't left out, so. Would be interested to see Tae or Jin or Hoseok say something about this. Might toe the company line too, but I don't think they're really that cool with being nowhere on the music. Can't imagine you feel like a valued member there, especially when you've made your interest in being a singer/rapper and being part of the creative process clear.

Date: 2019-03-11 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] negativesunset.livejournal.com
i remember when spring day was released and jhope has no parts then some people actually justified that it's okay because he apparently did the "humming" in the background lol it was both sad and hilarious

yeah, it's hard to believe that tae/jin/hoseok are okay with having nothing to do in their title song (other than dancing i guess) especially since it's not like there's a gap in skill between them and the rest~

i think it comes down to the producers not knowing how to work with their voices or something, like that thing that they did with taehyung's parts in Tomorrow lol it was so grating to the ears and basically does not sound like him
Edited Date: 2019-03-11 01:47 am (UTC)

Date: 2019-03-11 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katheli.livejournal.com
the amount of defending of Hoseok's zero lines was crazy. Imagine if that had been Jimin or JK, you think fans would have been "but the background harmonies though" lmao

and I could write a whole essay on how Taehyung's voice is misused in BTS' discography, from the autotune, to the shouting-instead-of-singing, to the random background noise, to mixing his voice so much with JK or Jimin's it legit sounds dubbed...and all that when he'd easily be lead vocalist if he had a higher voice. It's frustrating.

Date: 2019-03-11 09:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] negativesunset.livejournal.com
it would probably never happen, but i actually want to see what the reactions would be if jk/jimin have the least part in a title song lol i know this one jimin stan that tried to convince me he was being shafted by bighit, along with apparently an open letter by a fan union or something, because he didn't have as many parts in DNA lol it was honestly hilarious

Date: 2019-03-10 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dallinferno.livejournal.com
Oh boy, same, line distribution in BTS songs really is something, huh. As someone who loves Jin and his voice I keep getting disappointed by the lack of lines he has (so I can relate to Taehyung fans) ... I mean it depends on the song, sometimes he gets good lines, sometimes he doesn't, but .. still. There is no guarantee he'll have lines unlike some other members.

Blood Sweat & Tears could deadass be in my top 10 BTS songs but I'm so salty over Jin's lack of lines that I can't fully appreciate the song all the time ...

Date: 2019-03-10 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katheli.livejournal.com
yeah, pretty much. idk how many songs on the last albums I listened to and went...wait did Tae and Jin even sing? even if they did, their vocals were mixed with layers of Jimin's or JK's voices. That felt downright disrespectful to me.

their line distribution looks like if their vocalist quartet were EXO's Chen & Baek plus Sehun & Kai, when in reality what they have is like 4 Suhos.

Date: 2019-03-10 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dallinferno.livejournal.com
Yeah, I find it super disrespectful that even when they get lines, they're mixed with JK or Jimin's voices a lot of the time. Like did they really work this hard for them to be left in the dust like that?

And yeah, I agree. I'd understand if JK or Jimin were miles and miles better singers than Tae or Jin but .. the reality is, they aren't. Okay, Jungkook is because he's also the member that's most stable live but the rest of them are pretty on par (though my personal opinion is that Jimin is the worst of the three of them but that's mostly due to the fact that he has no clue how to use his voice). Also I say this as a huge fan of BTS in general so don't @ me, other fans. I'm not "hating" on anyone.

It's just frustrating and I'm already lowkey dreading the lack of lines they're gonna get on the upcoming album. I know people think that line distribution discourse is stupid and a waste of time but lbr, comments like this usually come from those whose biases (we're talking vocalists here) are usually JK or Jimin. Let the rest of us whine, lmao, we just want to hear our faves' voices!!

Woah, sorry for this lengthy comment, I just really like talking to someone whose opinion is the same as mine when it comes to this!

Date: 2019-03-10 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katheli.livejournal.com
no, I totally get you.
some fans don't understand the constant disappointment in realising over and over that your favourite voice can barely be heard in a song. I'll never not be bitter about the waste of Tae's voice in TTU, he sounded so good...on that one line. yay.

and yeah they're all pretty similar in terms of technical skill. JK is consistent, true, but Jimin is not so that can't be the main argument for who gets lines.

Date: 2019-03-10 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dallinferno.livejournal.com
You're talking about The Truth Untold, right? Yeah, it's sad how they didn't make better use of his voice, imho it fits the song very well ... ://

Yeah JK is consistent and he has a pretty full voice and good control but .. if we're going by this logic, then only he should be getting lines, haha. It's just depressing overall. when you think about it. I really wish the line distribution could improve but hell, what can we do.

Date: 2019-03-11 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daynr.livejournal.com
your final sentence is giving me life.

Date: 2019-03-10 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aeries-amethyst.livejournal.com
I swear they keep shafting Tae because his voice is so different compared to everyone else's. Honestly, it's kind of baffling how alike Jin, JK and Jimin can sound, you can literally replace one voice with another at times and you won't really hear a difference. They tend to try and make Tae's voice match theirs which is a little tricky and then he ends up singing with that weird airy tone. But they need to lower the pitch on a lot of their songs because the vocal strain is quite obvious when the song is out of their ranges. It might make more sense for them to use the other vocals to compliments Tae's voice instead of the other way around, that way it would sound less jarring.

The line distribution needs so much work. You would think that this would improve over the years but I swear it seems to get worse. Honestly though, I don't really understand why they give certain lines to some members either. Take Fake Love for example, they should have kept the "love you so bad" part with Tae and JK only instead of swapping out Tae with Jimin the second time around. Jimin already gets majority of the lines in the song so he didn't need to add that part too. I appreciate that they switched up the line distribution for the live versions of Idol, Best of Me and Spring Day, but if you have to go through the hassle of switching it then why didn't you record it like that in the first place? >_>


Date: 2019-03-10 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katheli.livejournal.com
they really need to lower the pitch (and yet. they don't. Jimin, in the last vlive: SO WE WENT UP IN PITCH AGAIN, IT WAS SO HARD, please look forward. Me: NOOOOOO)

nobody sounds good on those struggle notes. Not even the tenors.
yeah Tae sounds different and they don't know what to do with him. Never have, never will, apparently. He gets a low intro line and they call it a day nowadays. And totally agree that they should have kept him on the love you so bad part for the 2nd time too, the contrast between his and JK's voice was good for that part, but....yeah.

and yes, the live versions with switched distributions sound good too, just record the song like that. Having somebody barely on the song is indefensible to me. Their songs are like 5 minutes long, surely they can accommodate 7 people. Or they could if two or three members didn't do 4 out of those 5 minutes I guess.

Date: 2019-03-10 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aeries-amethyst.livejournal.com
Listen, if they are so insistent in raising the pitch then they need to give these boys the proper vocal training to manage because my ears are not here for more struggle vocals and vocal fries. Like of course it was hard for you guys when it's out of your range. I do like Jimin, really I do, but I can't deal with his nasally vocals and worse when they keep giving him all the high notes...I'm just like nope OTL

It's not even like he's a phenomenally better vocalist than JK or Jin either. They're pretty much all on the same level honestly. JK is the most stable because of the technique he uses to sing but he does not have the widest vocal range. I think widest range is Tae but he certainly doesn't know how to tap into that potential.

Tae sounds best when he sings with JK rather than when they make him sing with Jin. I believe their vocals contrast better. Jin and Jimin sound better together as well because they sound so similar. Jin and JK are better off when they sing in their lower pitches.

I've really warmed up to Jin's voice nowadays, especially with his solo Epiphany. But then again, they've clearly warmed up to Jin's vocals too since he's getting more lines whilst Tae isn't OTL

What is the point of having a group of 7 when you have people in the group who barely get to showcase their vocals? Why do 2 or 3 members need to have 80% of the vocals? I strongly believe that there has to be a bias because a lot of the lines that some members get could either be cut or easily swapped out for a next member. When you have groups like soshi, SJ and even EXO tackling line distributions fairly well, then you know that BTS has no excuse for not being able to do the same.

Sea was a hidden track but it really has the best line distribution for the vocals. Anpanman does an okay job with both rap line and vocal line, could use a little more Tae and Jin in some parts but it was definitely one of their better attempts.

Date: 2019-03-10 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dallinferno.livejournal.com
+111111111111

Man, I really wish I could upvote this comment or something. Instead I'm just gonna say that YES, I AGREE BIG TIME with the whole thing and especially the last two paragraphs.

Date: 2019-03-11 01:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] negativesunset.livejournal.com
that really is the thing isn't it, like they're basically all on the same level vocal wise with jungkook being a bit better on lives while jimin struggles most on the parts they gave him~ so those that justify the line distribution with "skill differences" are probably in denial lol i also think it's their producers being biased and not knowing how to change the pattern they've always used with some members always getting more parts while others barely having any~

Date: 2019-03-11 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aeries-amethyst.livejournal.com
Using skill differences as an excuse as to why some members get more lines is such a weak excuse. BTS, like Kara and Blackpink, does not have a standout vocalist. Why? Because they're pretty much all on the same level. As stable as JK is, he still isn't particularly the best vocalist in the group. They give Jimin the most lines and much of them are difficult for him to manage so he struggles, why they think this is a good idea is another story. Clearly, there must be a bias. Though aside from the lack of an even line distribution, I think they need some fresh producers otherwise because their current music is getting to a point where it is hit or miss for me. Maybe bringing in some new people will shake things up and hopefully improve their sound and give other members a chance to shine.

Date: 2019-03-10 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dongsaengkiller.livejournal.com
When I heard that Jimin comment I was horrified! How can they lack awareness into the fact that they can’t pull off any somewhat high pitch live? I watch almost all their performances but there are some you can’t pay me to watch again because of second hand embarrassment. Guys let me love you! Stop making decisions that make it hard!
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Date: 2019-03-11 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katheli.livejournal.com
not just that one tbh, literally any Fake Love performance which didn't have a loud backing track was kind of ehhhhh, due to those struggle vocals. Jimin strained like hell on those high notes and Jin mostly didn't even try to sing them live, so idk what the point of them was in the first place? I don't understand what goes on at Bighit regarding vocals sometimes.

Date: 2019-03-11 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dongsaengkiller.livejournal.com
That day does not exist in our household
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Date: 2019-03-11 04:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aeries-amethyst.livejournal.com
Bang PD seems to be pushing for them to sing more high notes and I guess he believes that people may be impressed if they do so but is it impressive if it isn't done properly? I have no idea what is going to happen to their vocal chords in the near future but I am not getting my hopes up for any improvements.

Fake Love is one of my least fave title tracks not just because of the tragic styling but because of all the screeching in that song. People need to accept that BTS is not a vocal group and the boys are not equipped to handle certain songs. It doesn't make you a hater if you state the obvious. If you seriously believe that they sound good when they're clearly straining then that is delusional. The boys sound best when they can sing comfortably in their range.

I think their strongest title track in terms of vocals was Spring Day, that is the range that they need to stay in. Those are the kind of vocals they need to focus on. I love Blood, Sweat and Tears but I think they need a little more control over their falsetto range.
Edited Date: 2019-03-11 05:01 am (UTC)

Date: 2019-03-12 07:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cuizy.livejournal.com
Yeah I hate to be comparing them like this but based on a total of 3 idol groups I’ve stanned, jk jm and jin’s voices are all of a ‘weaker’ tone. I don’t know the right terminology but it just sounds not as fullbodied (and the pitch is high). In exo the vocal that I think is most like their voices is Luhan. V is a slightly deeper version of baekhyun and DO’s. Luhan’s voice was ok at his lines but feels like it’s missing something. He works better as harmony and that kind of soft voice blends really well with a main voice that is stronger. The other group I liked was also in a similar situation, the best vocal was a soft voice and he sang main lines but also harmony and also blended well with the other vocal with a stronger voice. With BTS I feel like it’s because they have way too many of these soft voices? So it does sound weird when V sings and one of the other three sing. Unless they can get V to sing throughout the song. Unfortunately they’re really biased against V and for the high notes which I don’t get at all. (And yup I also don’t get why jm has so many lines esp considering his vocal technique)

Date: 2019-03-10 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alterlife.livejournal.com
Tae forcing yoongi to say he loves him is what I needed to get me through the day. I stan the cutest person in the world. 🥺😭

Date: 2019-03-10 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radowan.livejournal.com
same tbh

Date: 2019-03-11 03:35 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-03-10 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowphone.livejournal.com
this was a relaxed and cute vlive.

tae was looking like a snack tbh

Date: 2019-03-10 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenhinata.livejournal.com
Yoongi is too cute :(

Date: 2019-03-11 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shawarmafordays.livejournal.com
If I was Yoongi and Taehyung pulled me with his feet, I would actually blush and scream because its so smooth and I would die :O
Edited Date: 2019-03-11 05:48 am (UTC)

Date: 2019-03-11 06:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jyusou.livejournal.com
So much salt for a post about a birthday vlive. I'd save my braincells from analysis for the moment they actually release something.

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