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All Lyrics, Performed by Rap Monster
Original Track : Drake - Too Much
Don't think about it too much too much too much too much
Theres no need for us to rush it through
Don't think about it too much too much too much too much
This is more than just a new lust for you
매일 기계적으로 wake up, 기계적으로 메이크업
받는 삶에 익숙해져 가, 자의식과의 breakup
언제부터 내가 내게 만족했지?
꿈을 이뤄놓고 방종했지?
편하기 위해서, 적당히 지내며 목까지 차오른 불을 삼켜댔지
그래 나도 내가 참 역겨워 뾰족한 칼날이 무뎌져서
생겨버린 스무살의 주름살, 변한단 게 두려웠어
누군가 내 머릿속을 들여다본다면 분명 날 비웃겠지
이제 와서 길을 잃은 날, i can i can hear my old friends laughin
Hey, but i just wanted to show what i got
그냥 랩을 하고 싶었을 뿐야 u said I'm an puppet, fuck I'm not
너무 많아 내 머릿속에 이 수많고도 수많은 상념들
나 잠시 거두고 기다리겠어 이 쉴새없는 파도의 망년을
Yeah im a monster, 한 번 괴물이 된 이상 더 사람일 순 없어
다시 너희와 같은 인간일 순 없어 그게 사람들이 나를 씹는 이유여도
내가 아티스트건, 아이돌이건 don't give a fuck this is my life
이게 죽이 되건 죽밥이 되건 내가 차린 내 밥상이야
Don't think about it too much too much too much too much
There's no need for us to rush it through
Don't think about it too much too much too much too much
This is more than just a new lust for you
바다와 사막밖에 못 보던 내가 이제 우주를 봐
작은 스튜디오가 세상의 전부인줄 알았던 꼬마, 이제 겨우 밖을 둘러봐
I thought it was a real, got no time to chill, no time nobody to get healed
너무 많은 stars, 너무 많은 dreams, 그 앞에 난 먼지일 뿐이라는 현실
을 깨닫고서 내가 할 수 있었던 건 더 처절하게 나를 잠궜던 것
내 분노를 참고 때리고 억눌러서 더 단단하게 나를 가뒀던 것
Yeah im a fuckin monster 아이돌 어린 팬들은 날 싫어해 cuz imma fuckin monster
힙합 팬들도 싫어해 cuz im a fuckin idol rapper who cant come to their concert
Yeh right? 이제 속시원해 right? so how you doin bitches
난 존나 돈 벌어 fine thank you and you bitches
인터뷰할 때마다 그랬지, 니 행복을 찾아내
근데 나도 요즘은 가끔씩 헷갈려 내가 나의 행복을 찾았는지
내가 하고싶은 음악, 하고 싶은 그 많은 말들을 모두 할 수 있다는 것
바래왔던 순간, 간절했던 꿈과 마주할 수 있다는 것
난 분명 꿈을 이뤘는데, 그 꿈 뒤에 서 망설이네
생각이 너무 많아서 그냥 무언가 고팠던 나를 담았어
Don't think about it too much too much too much too much
There's no need for us to rush it through
Don't think about it too much too much too much too much
This is more than just a new lust for you
Don't think about it too much too much too much too much
Theres no need for us to rush it through
Don't think about it too much too much too much too much
This is more than just a new lust for you
Let it go
Let it go
Let it go
Whatever it is

(translation @ kimseokjinhyosang)

source: bangtan

Ugh tonight was so upsetting...you can read more here and here

Date: 2013-11-21 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jjang-intae.livejournal.com
I feel so sorry for the guys. Sure the fans shouldn't have brought in DSLRs & fanboards but B-Free & the rest who were dissing them are seriously overreacting. B-Free also seems to have a limited vocab so he should go sit himself down in a corner and read a dictionary instead of talking big on twitter. I wonder when Rap Mon wrote the lyrics though, it's so fitting for the situation. B-Free needs to calm himself down too. The time he cursed at them on Instagram was so immature. On another note, I like the song
Edited Date: 2013-11-21 03:58 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-11-21 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jjang-intae.livejournal.com
He's like the typical anti-fan that works hard to hate (e.g watching all their videos to find reasons to hate them even more)
Edited Date: 2013-11-21 04:09 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-11-21 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honeebs.livejournal.com
srs right. I had step away from BFree because of this. He's a big ass baby.
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Date: 2013-11-22 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herocountry.livejournal.com
lol speaking of racism http://hom2.tumblr.com/post/67708988349/heres-the-b-free-thing


also i noticed his self-censor too and i'm not getting my hopes up but ngl it was sort of touching :'( esp since the n-word was written out in full on the song's youtube title so it wasn't just c&p

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Date: 2013-11-22 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chelamasen.livejournal.com
And you know what, who cares if any of the members are gay? I understand that it's not a very talked about issue in Korea, but I still feel the need to speak up =(. It's also stereotypical for him to act like men who wear make-up or care about outer appearances are automatically gay. Not so much now, but in the past, lots of American rock-and-roll bands or metal bands wore make-up...are they automatically gay too? It just doesn't make sense.

Date: 2013-11-21 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reelrecnizereel.livejournal.com
This dude is madd childish and Kanye stole from Marilyn Manson so whose really winning/losing here?

Date: 2013-11-22 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mjspice.livejournal.com
I don't understand why people torture themselves like this really. I don't like certain celebs but doesn't mean I'll spend each & everyday of my life watching their videos/news etc & try to bring them down :/
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Date: 2013-11-21 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uglypricetag.livejournal.com
b-free has always been outspoken about the concept of idol rappers:
To some fans it appears that there is a fine line between rappers from idol groups and underground rappers, with them often being compared to one another. How do you feel about this comparison and what is your general opinion about idol rappers?

I think if you are familiar with my music you would know the answer. (I am very familiar with your music but do enjoy asking people this question as the answers are always funny – Sasha) I really have no respect for any K-pop groups or idols because they are all products and an image of what their companies needed and wanted in order to sell them. I don’t respect pretty boys or girls for this matter and the fact that they are making money off of music and an image they didn’t create themselves. To me idols and most K-pop singers are just slaves and puppets for their companies. And idol rappers ha…I don’t even wanna waste my time talking about such things. (source: http://beyondhallyu.com/music/korean-hip-hop-interview-b-free/)

on one hand ia with his frustration, but i thought it was so immature of him to personally attack these kids

Date: 2013-11-22 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chelamasen.livejournal.com
He's entitled to his opinion, but I agree with you and think it's unnecessary and mean-spirited to dish out personal attacks. Also, just to discuss his answer to that question a bit, his line about not respecting "pretty boys or girls for...the fact that they are making money off of music and an image they didn’t create" was strange to me. Sure the idols may not be creating the concepts, but they're the ones who go out and perform, the idols do the actual work. And I feel like him making it seem as if idols are the only artists who make money using concepts that they didn't create themselves is ridiculous. Plenty of singers and rappers don't write their own lyrics. Lots of dancers don't create their own choreography. Actors read lines that aren't their own. Are we supposed to discredit these people and their talent just because they didn't "create the concept?" I could see why he would be upset if the idols tried to pretend like they WERE creating their own concepts when, in actuality, they weren't (basically if they lied), but I don't know many groups that aren't open about what was self-created and what was created by the company. I guess I don't see where his anger is coming from. What's the harm if they're successful? Does he feel like "true" rappers who write their own stuff and create their own concept should make more money? Does he feel like the idol groups don't give credit where credit is due? What exactly is he so upset about? I think it's also worth mentioning that many idols do express a desire to be more involved in the creative process, but they've signed contracts, and are working under these large companies, so they don't have as much freedom.

Date: 2013-11-22 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uglypricetag.livejournal.com
non-idol rappers do write their own lyrics (and sometimes make their own beats) so i kinda agree with him on that? i think he's angry because they are like what he says - puppets of their company. what's annoying about the trend of idol performers is that sometimes the concept (or image or one's looks) takes precendence over the quality of music. imo it's fine if you're an artist who writes music but wants to package it with certain ideas/concepts, but most idols don't seem like they're interested in participating in the creative process and they willingly subject themselves to the orders of their agency. they're basically submitting yourself to a system which is only interested in music for the money and i can see why that pisses him off
Edited Date: 2013-11-22 03:23 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-11-21 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herocountry.livejournal.com
afaik the fans were told they should take as many pictures as they want by the event organizer, so even though they were out of place it really doesn't seem like they were at fault.

add to that "B-free asked Rap Monster and Suga if they were gay and why they were dressing up like girls." and apparently b-free's been to hit it auditions before? ...

Date: 2013-11-21 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honeebs.livejournal.com
a mess
I am glad the fans didn't react
Edited Date: 2013-11-21 05:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-11-21 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chemist.livejournal.com
wow this is super uncomfortable.........i feel rly bad for them :'( and why are grown men filming these girls anyway it's p gross

Date: 2013-11-21 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] batterydead.livejournal.com
the atmosphere is so weird

Date: 2013-11-21 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reelrecnizereel.livejournal.com
my question: are they doing this to make them feel weird for becoming idols?
vibes received: bitter and uncomfortable

Date: 2013-11-21 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jjang-intae.livejournal.com
Oh good poor Rap Mon & Yoongi. They looked mad uncomfortable there

Date: 2013-11-21 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yunhalove.livejournal.com
what pisses me off is so many people, esp. k-hiphop people, are misconstruing the situation as crazy idol fangirls vs underground artist b-free bc they dont know how he basically passively agressively insulted them and their fans the whole time (laughing at their names, questioning their choice to be idols, calling idol makeup/eyeliner gay when its clear bangtan puts some on stage).

even if the fans weren't keeping "protocol" by bringing dslrs during the show, that's no excuse to do what he did. no professionalism, whatsoever. it was a 1 year anniversary of a renouned podcast and bangtan are returning guests that were invited to the show, not random people for b-free to degrade and humiliate on live broadcast. i'm worried rap monster's reputation on the underground scene will never recover, which is so incredibly shitty when you think about the fact that his crew dnh was supposed to come out with an album next year/promote together. hes been working in the underground scene k-hiphop since he was in middle school and now hes going to be known as that kid with the fans that talked shit about b-free. hi-lite is a recognized crew (that i am/was a fan of) and its their word against bangtan's fans rn.

too much is too sad. the lyrics just make me super bummed out because its encapsulates everything hes been worrying about over the past couple of months and it all just cumulated into this one incident.

Date: 2013-11-22 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chelamasen.livejournal.com
I am confused about whether or not the cameras were allowed. Can you (or anyone!) confirm for me? So is it that the cameras WERE NOT allowed, and fans brought them anyway? Or is it that the cameras WERE allowed, but b-free was just upset about the cameras? Thank you!

Date: 2013-11-22 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jjang-intae.livejournal.com
I think cameras actually were allowed because organisers were telling the fans to take as many pictures as they'd like?

Date: 2013-11-21 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shintotchi.livejournal.com
Wow this is some real mess. How big are you to mock a kid's dreams? You're a grown ass man taking your bitter feelings out on someone just starting their journey. You are a sunbae. If you disagree with idol rappers, keep it to your music. Maybe try to talk to Suga and Rapmon and give them advice rather than immediately calling them trash. Rapmon, Suga, and J-hope decided to try and bridge the gap and make it possible for real rappers to exist within kpop. Just because you gave up on the challenge doesn't make it impossible. And even if (for argument's sake) it is impossible, nothing ever gives you the right to put someone else down for going down the path they sincerely chose to pursue.

Date: 2013-11-22 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coldhives.livejournal.com
Perfect comment.

Date: 2013-11-21 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hellodee16.livejournal.com
idk who this BFree guy is but he can fuck right off.
he comes off extremely immature and possibly homophobic.

Date: 2013-11-21 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitsujiga.livejournal.com
he just jelly bangtan makes more cash/gets more gurls with idol hiphop than he does with ~real hiphop~ xD

Date: 2013-11-21 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kingalexarnold.livejournal.com
BFree is such a man child its fucking annoying and pathetic. i side eye the fuck out of zion.t for being friend with him and Swings tbh.

i feel sorry for bts because they seem like nice guys who are doing what they love. it might not be ideal for everyone but they shouldn't get ripped to shreds for it.

Date: 2013-11-21 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sikania.livejournal.com
wow, poor guys, that raper that started dissing them sure acts like a jealous child...
I'm glad tho that the ARMYS keep it cool (from what I read), but I feel so sorry for RapMon and Suga, it must have been really uncomfortable to listen that man(although "kid" suits him better) saying such things...
and for the song, WOW! Namjoonie always amazes me <3
Edited Date: 2013-11-21 08:19 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-11-21 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seroquels.livejournal.com
Does this BFree guy not know that Suga and Rap Mon were underground before they decided to join an idol group? I don't know this BFree's credentials, but he sounds like a total tool. What was so bad about ARMYs behavior? Just bc they brought fan signs and cameras? That seems like a pretty small and petty thing for BFree to react the way he did.

How old is this guy? He looks old enough to know better. Shithead.

Date: 2013-11-21 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilybeth84.livejournal.com
I started writing this this morning but I had shit to do, so its here now. :)

My Korean-born husband said something interesting on this topic the other day. We were talking about Korean hip-hop and how one has to be in a certain mood to listen to the heavy, underground stuff, while listening to the more commercialized artists is fun, entertaining, and artistically inspiring. So the topic of what determines “real” (I hate that word, but for a lack of a better one….) hip-hop or that which is closest to the original roots, i.e. cultural, social, and political commentary, from everything else came up.

He said if, for arguments sake, he had to draw the line on what is legitimate Korean hip-hop, he wouldn’t even consider Drunken Tiger to be in that category. I was surprised because Drunken Tiger is considered one of the best, even thought his stuff is more commercial than, say, B-Free.

He said it’s because he didn’t grow up in Korea. He doesn’t see how a person who grew up in America with American privileges can rap on Korean social and political issues. He didn’t live under dictatorships, he didn’t suffer through the education system, and he didn’t do military service, and doesn’t have the same baggage a Korean has. How can he “legitimately” rap about issues he didn’t/doesn’t experience? It doesn’t mean he’s not a good rapper, but that’s the crux of the argument—where does one determine what is legitimate hip-hop and what is not? Does it all have to be biting commentary to be legit? Who decides? Does diaspora have a role? Does rap as art transcend this argument?

B-Free also fits in this category of ethnic Korean rappers who grew up in the U.S. Seen from that light, it makes him an American telling native-born Koreans they are not legit rappers in their own country. He comes off as being arrogant and ethnocentric.

What seems a pretty harmless beef in the grand scheme of things, perhaps isn't. It perfectly showcases the obliviousness of many Americans to their ethnocentric view of other countries, and the privileges they have growing up in the wealthiest and most politically and culturally powerful country in the world.

Thoughts?

Image

Date: 2013-11-21 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shintotchi.livejournal.com
Wow that's a totally valid and interesting point. I thought Tiger JK was now a Korean citizen, and that he would've been exempt from the military duties because of his illness. I can't speak to his whole discography, but I thought he rapped about what pertained to him and his family? I feel like it's one thing if...a foreign artist decided to release a single in Korea criticizing the government versus someone who was born overseas and decided to make Korea their home. If you decide to make the country your home and you register as a citizen there, then I don't think you should be considered a foreigner. A child born after the events your husband mentioned, who is also too young to enlist is still considered Korean.

I think such rappers still need tact when they choose to address or attack something, but that their birthplace doesn't necessarily disqualify them from making a commentary. In the case for BFree however, he can take 1000 seats. He spews ignorance, and regardless of where he was born, he needs to reevaluate his life choices. I am curious to know if he's a Korean citizen now or not though.

Date: 2013-11-21 11:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com
BFree growing up in America makes a lot of sense, he's totally taking the American "guys who pay attention to their appearance are gay which is the worst thing you can be" attitude back to Korea, where it doesn't exactly fit.

Date: 2013-11-22 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chelamasen.livejournal.com
he's totally taking the American "guys who pay attention to their appearance are gay which is the worst thing you can be" attitude back to Korea, where it doesn't exactly fit.


Yes, I agree, and I talked about this up top a little bit. This is definitely something we're struggling with in America, and the stereotype is an ugly one no matter where it's applied. You make a good point too about cultural differences. When I first got into KPop, the make-up on male singers was new, but now I've come to expect it and to understand it's a part of the KPop world for many idols.

Date: 2013-11-22 12:41 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com
All kinds of stuff... BBCream, skinny jeans, guys holding hands. It doesn't mean there isn't homophobia in Korea but it looks different. I think America is actually the weird case here, with the amount of masculinity policing that goes on - exactly what you said about how BFree doesn't even realize that he's indiscriminately applying his own cultural norms.

And then Kpop idol world is another thing again.

Date: 2013-11-23 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turdferguson.livejournal.com
this is a really great point i'm so sad i missed it

Date: 2013-11-21 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovely4evr.livejournal.com
Urgh.This is the same guy who said on twitter to someone that he was more ~black~ and all 'bout that hip hop life than them because he has more nas cds.-.-
Edited Date: 2013-11-21 09:13 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-11-21 11:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com
I almost wish RapMon and Suga had been less mature/respectful/polite, and gotten a few good soundbites in about their decision to become idols.

It wasn't the right place for it - it would have taken away from the main point, BFree wouldn't have listened - but if there'd been a debate it would have been interesting.

Date: 2013-11-21 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eijem-sawada.livejournal.com
b-free sounds like a jelly sunbae.

Date: 2013-11-21 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reelrecnizereel.livejournal.com
#childish
Umm there's a lot of things about Rapmon that don't exactly sit right with me
but I think its redeeming that he handled this with class instead of sass
because at the end of the day BFree don't even have enough bread to change his shitty briefs.
He prolly legit sit at his comp. waiting and watching, lurking with his looking ass to see they next move.
he prolly they biggest fan but cannot and wont bring himself to admit to it.
TL:DR
Bfree needs a christmas gift bag of preparation H for his booty

Rapmon you get the strongest sideeye for omitting Sampha bc he brings THAT PARTICULAR element to that song

Date: 2013-11-21 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baireoseu.livejournal.com
lol @ bfree why are u so obsessed with bangtan tho

Date: 2013-11-22 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antrea.livejournal.com
This really upsets me, especially when paired with Rapmon's latest song. B-Free is such an immature asshole, especially /love/ his tweets to the ARMYs. Though it would definitely be better if ARMYs didn't come at all so there wouldn't be so much provocation for the other rappers to diss Suga and Rapmon, I'm just glad they weren't obnoxiously screaming or anything, but as the fandom grows bigger I think we'll soon have those fans like Zico's who don't give any shit or respect anyone else in a competition except Zico.
Wondering if the underground dance is as intense as rap, would J-Hope be treated the same way if he were to go back and compete/perform underground?

Date: 2013-11-22 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shintotchi.livejournal.com
I feel like dancing is different. There are far less professional venues for dancers to go through, and so many would end up as back-up dancers anyway if they wanted to stay in Korea and make money off of it.

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