Trainee ‘A’ reveals full KakaoTalk message history with Park Si Hoo’s hoobae.

[asth77.livejournal.com]

With Park Si Hoo‘s side now taking the offense by firing back with lawsuits of their own, trainee ‘A’ and her legal team have revealed the full KakaoTalk message history between ‘A’, and Park Si Hoo’shoobae, Mr, Kim (‘K’).

Feeling that only certain parts of the KakaoTalk history between her and Mr. Kim, the one who introduced her to Park Si Hoo, were unfairly revealed last week, ‘A’s legal team has now released more of the conversation that took place the day after the night of the alleged sexual assault.

The KakaoTalk history reads as follows:

K (Mr. Kim): Sorry I had to leave earlier, I had stuff to take care of at home. Call me when you and oppa (Park Si Hoo) are done hanging out.

K: You feeling okay? (in reference to the night of drinking)

A (trainee): I still can’t sober up..

A: I think I was crazy yesterday ㅜㅜ

A: Ah Ah ㅜㅜㅜ

A: The biggest mistake of my life

K: I didn’t know we’d drink like that yesterday either..

K: I was totally caught up in the mood

K: ㅠㅠ Take medicine since you aren’t feeling well

A: ㅜㅜ And on top of that.. sigh ㅜㅜㅜ

A: Ji Mot Mi (an abbreviation for ‘Sorry I couldn’t protect you’) ㅜㅜ

K: You didn’t make any mistakes

K: It’s fine as long as you had fun

K: Let’s go to the club later

A: Sigh keke you’re going to Club L**, right?

K: Yup

K: Your figure is totally

K: I was really surprised

A: Kekeke ㅜㅜㅜㅜ Are you making fun of me

A: The thing I was more surprised about was why I was on the bed with Park Si Hoo oppa ㅜㅜ

K: Then do you think you should have been with me?

K: I was going to sleep with you guys but the bed was too small, so I just came out into the living room

A: Darn!! ㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜ Ah ah it was something totally unexpected keke… whew

K: keke I was drunk yesterday too.

K: I’m never going to drink again.

K: You shouldn’t drink either, okay?

A: I usually don’t drink ㅜㅜ but I drank yesterday on purpose because of you!!!

K: Aw really?

K: Rest up first

K: Let’s play later keke

By revealing the entirety of the conversation that took place after the night between herself and ‘K’, ‘A’ hopes to show that the alleged incident did not occur due to natural feelings that had developed between her and Park Si Hoo. ‘A’s reps countered Park Si Hoo’s sides argument, stating, “While playing a drinking game at the suggestion of Park Si Hoo and after drinking a couple of mixed drinks with soju, she lost consciousness. There was no time for them to develop feelings for one another.”

It also goes against what ‘K’ had stated earlier on in the investigations as he had said that he didn’t drink at the time.

In addition, on the account of ‘A’ conspiring with Park Si Hoo’s former agency’s CEO to frame Park Si Hoo, her legal team commented, “There were times that the former agency’s CEO contacted us asking to settle, but there is absolutely no truth to us conspiring with him.”

Park Si Hoo’s former agency also directly denied having anything to do with this case after the news of Park Si Hoo and ‘K’ suing ‘A’ as well as her sunbae ‘B’ and the actor’s former agency’s CEO ‘C’, commenting, “Even after their contract ended, the CEO and Park Si Hoo decided to remain as acquaintances who could offer help to one another in times of need. So in order to do so, the CEO tried his best… Due to various assumptions and false rumors, it seems Park Si Hoo and his side’s misunderstanding has been growing, and led to this lawsuit. We feel very sad and regretful that it has come to this. The CEO will do all that he can, even if it means getting into a lawsuit with Park Si Hoo, to prove his innocence.“

Sources: Osen, Herald , akp

The media's releasing all of thi is insane. Media play needs to stop. I don't know why A's law firm felt the need to reveal it, perhap's because the police investigation is heavily influenced by Shi Hoo's media play?  Even if they said they would'nt use it as proof.

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[djlancerock.livejournal.com]

right.

[mjspice.livejournal.com]

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN.

[flumes.livejournal.com]

this is horrible.

and as much as i'd love for the unintelligent commenters to come in here and start spouting off their nonsense, it'd be great if they didn't.

[45s.livejournal.com]

It's still early in the day. They're totally coming.

[gigabytexx.livejournal.com]

why there are so many 'kekeke' in the convo? Did the girl not taking this seriously at all in the beginning or what?

[gigabytexx.livejournal.com]

oh, is it the same? I was thinking 'keke' sounds more laughable than lol....

[tae-hoon.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you're right. It's spammed all the time, ahaha.

[epona.livejournal.com]

it's the same thing

[ace-nikkei.livejournal.com]

This is so uncomfortable.

[sadistic-dance.livejournal.com]

A: The thing I was more surprised about was why I was on the bed with Park Si Hoo oppa ㅜㅜ
I kind of want to say this is enough but...

A: Darn!! ㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜㅜ Ah ah it was something totally unexpected keke… whew
She doesn't seem to upset about it.

I can't tell context because it's text but it seems like a really polite conversation.

[asnindie.livejournal.com]

Since she'd already gone to get help, I imagine maybe she didn't want to alarm the guy.

[muzegrey.livejournal.com]

It wasn't that polite, it was cutesy.

[pon-pon-pink.livejournal.com]

it doesn't read that cutesy to me in korean o_o they use banmal because tey obviously know each other but the ㅋㅋ and ㅠㅠ used is just so normal for people who don't know well what else to say.

[muzegrey.livejournal.com]

I know Korean.
미쳤나벼
and 아아
and 에잇!!
and 지못미 is cutesy just in the way she is using it here
and all the 아혀 and 에휴 like every freaking line
It reads cutesy to me, banmal has little to do with it.

[asth77.livejournal.com]

She doesn't seem upset about it perhap's because she wasn't fully aware of what happened yet.

[asnindie.livejournal.com]

I feel so awful for her, to have everything spread, miscon-strewed as well. Nothing from this case should have been revealed, it's been so poorly handled. Media play should never happen in these cases because a jury will go in there with an idea already set, this is awful. And the convo was just uncomfortable to read:/

[uledy.livejournal.com]

For real. That's why I always laugh at the concept of the "impartial" juror. I don't even think that's possible in high profile cases such as this :/

[asnindie.livejournal.com]

In rape cases esp, there is no such thing as an impartial juror. People go in there with all kinds of prejudices, and this media circus has probably killed this case.

[bunica1990.livejournal.com]

mte

[muzegrey.livejournal.com]

A's team has released just as much as the other side. But I agree. Police should have kept everything hush until it went to trial.

[asnindie.livejournal.com]

It was that bloody interview by B or whoever and PSH's lawyers turned this in to a media play court battle.

[muzegrey.livejournal.com]

I don't know what she is apologized for and using "kkkkk" for. It's weird. There are moments in this conversation where it seems like she had a one night that she regrets and then there are moments where it seems like she didn't know she was in bed with him and it was rape.

Honestly, I wouldn't be acting all cutesy around this dude. The aegyo is annoying as fuck. I'd be like "why the fuck didn't you take care of me?" K really let her down. Obviously he didn't care about her enough to do the simplist things to protect her. Of course it'd be PSH's fault for rape if it occurred, but K still had a responsibility as her friend to make sure she was okay. Dumping her in a bed with another dude sure doesn't sound like a guy who had any interest in her, let alone common decency.

[very-pinku.livejournal.com]

This case gets messier and messier. They should wait until all information is privately sort out and then mention what really happened. Doing all these media plays is really twisting the truth and involving too much of public opinion...

These texts show that K is a douchebag for letting someone who has no recollection of why she's next to PSH be left alone. And he doesn't seem to really care...as long as 'it was fun'. What the hell...

I guess she's doing the aegyo thing cause it's just something she does with guys but it just feels...so uncomfortable in the contexts in the texts.

[muzegrey.livejournal.com]

I don't think she's doing aegyo because it's something she does with guys.
I think she likes/liked K.

[very-pinku.livejournal.com]

Yeah. Sometimes I would act super bright on texts and such, while I'm in an emotional situation. Texts are just so hard to 'read' true emotions anyway,

[adjuihcuzuejrim.livejournal.com]

if this was a real conversation i would imagine her nervously laughing all the time and avoiding looking at him
to me she just seems really uncomfortable and doesn't know/is afraid to talk about what really happened that night

[a-perfect-shade.livejournal.com]

M F T E
why can't people understand that?

[embroideredkiss.livejournal.com]

I haven't really followed this whole case but the teachers at my school were passing round a picture of the trainee girl at lunch the other day and gossiping about it....the only bits I could understand were about what a great body she has. I guess with that and the kakao msg any chance of privacy and anonymity it gone...

[21banged.livejournal.com]

I don't even know what to think about this. I just want it all to end :\

[cast-no-shadow0.livejournal.com]

Everyone deals with trauma/assault differently. Especially when alcohol is involved and you don't quite fully comprehend what happened to you yet. Especially when girls are meant to feel it's their fault for drinking or "putting themselves in that situation." I know this from personal experience and anyone who thinks she "shouldn't have been acting this way/being cutesy/whatever" does not understand how it works for every victim. Sometimes you try and laugh it off because you're scared, confused, feel guilty, etc. :/

[yunhalove.livejournal.com]

Man, I was on the side of the girl bc I know the first instinct is to victim blame but the aegyo in those texts is really throwing me off. There's laughing/making jokes cuz it's awkward and then there's being deliberately cutesy/wanting to leave a certain impression. From the way she's flirting it seems like she had a thing for K? And from the convo K seems like he's just trying to reassure her that he doesn't care about her actions last night and act like a good oppa so idek.

[rylee900.livejournal.com]

Not everyone has to react the way you would. She's probably trying to seem normal, besides the conversation reads really awkward to me,

[sub-divided.livejournal.com]

I read it completely the opposite way.

K is trying to downplay what happened and make it seem normal because he doesn't want A to kick up a fuss. Everything he says is an attempt to play the situation off.

A first says she made a mistake, then trails off meaningfully, then she implies that K didn't protect her. Each time, K plays it off, oh yeah we all drank a lot, you should take some medicine, let's go out tonight. Finally A gives in and plays along, but then she brings up what happened again, this time more strongly ("The thing I was more surprised about was why I was on the bed with Park Si Hoo oppa ㅜㅜ") and finally gets K to explain why he left her there. He turns it around like she would have preferred a threesome, and then what can she do? She's upset but he just keeps trying to change it around so that she was into the situation, everyone was having fun, let's have fun again tonight, etc etc. All she can say is that she didn't expect it at all and she doesn't even normally drink and K is the one who set all this up ("I usually don’t drink ㅜㅜ but I drank yesterday on purpose because of you!!!").

She's trying to feel him out and not accuse him straight off of setting her up to be raped, but he keeps trying to turn it around. Women aren't trained to directly contradict men, especially not men in authority.

As far as K, on some level he probably knows very well that it was wrong to pressure her into drinking and then dump her with PSH and then leave, knowing FULL WELL would happen to her. Either he is deluding himself that everything is fine so he doesn't have to feel bad about what happened, or he is trying to trick A into thinking that everything is fine so she won't cause problems. I'm sure most young women in these situations just give up and accept the story they are being told about how they all just drank too much and it's not a big deal.

Of course, I could also be misreading, but seriously, look at what K does every time A tries to bring up the fact that she is not happy. He plays it off.

[yunhalove.livejournal.com]

my interpretation was wayyy different. are you basing this off the original korean? because the translation is a bit off in certain regards so there's a lot missing tone/subtextwise which is part of why netizens are so suspicious all of a sudden. she says "지못미" which implies she cares what he thinks of her- as in she's sorry she got so wrecked she ruined her own image in his eyes? at least that's how the "sorry i couldn't protect you" read to me, cuz that's usually how the slang is used. after which he says "잼있게 놀았으면 그만이야" so it seemed to me he was more consoling her for last night than completely brushing it off. + the unnecessary 사투리/벼 endings, and the 에잇! if she was trying to casually bring stuff up i would at least think she would use "봐". it's a completely different atmosphere than what you would expect, though of course i get that doesn't rly certify anything bc everybody reacts differently. it's just that reminded me of how i would text with my own oppas/crush. i no longer think she's completely uninvolved with K as originally presumed.

either way i hope this is fabricated... or that a part is missing and she is telling the truth, bc otherwise this will be horrible for anybody who tries to prosecute a celebrity for rape in the future. :/

[asth77.livejournal.com]

"because the translation is a bit off in certain regards so there's a lot missing tone/subtextwise which is part of why netizens are so suspicious all of a sudden. "
Are you serious? You can't even start to doubt the victim by saying that her tone/the atmosphere is why netizens are so suspicious. Her tone nor the atmosphere don't mean anything, and definitely not that she wasn't raped. Also, that's not why netizens are so suspicious at all. The reason they're susppicious is because they all have some sexist idea of how a victim of rape should respond to rape, and as soon as it doesn't fit their ideas, they became suspicous.
And then you conclude that you hope the best for poeple who'll prosecute celebs in the future? What if they don't appear like crying out loud after the rape, what if, like a lots of victims of rape, they start by denying and appearing as normal as usual, will you then talk about how it's normal to be suspicious again?

[yunhalove.livejournal.com]

i think you're misunderstanding what i'm trying to say. just like i said, i DO NOT believe just atmosphere certifies that she wasn't raped, bc i am fully aware people react differently. i reacted in an unpredictable manner following my experiences with sexual assault as well, so it's not like i'm claiming that my intuition/interpretation is rock solid. also, what i mean by the differing tone of the translation is that certain things that imply something in korean can mean something ENTIRELY different in english and vise versa, example- what A may have meant by "sorry i couldn't protect you/지못미". plus there are other parts like A asking K if she might be pregnant or K being seemingly unaware that her and PSH had sex that haven't even been translated/included in this article at all. via my (and many other netizens')interpretation of the convo, the situation presented by the texts is significantly different from the one previously presented-- this obviously changes things and opinions, whether we want it to or not. also, you act like all the netizens function like a single hivemind, pingponging back and forth? there are a lot, like me, on various blogs/websites who have been on the side of the girl from the beginning, or trying to keep a neutral position until certain info comes out. for some, it's this, for the reasons i stated above. for others, they're not making any judgements until the official result comes out. there are netizens making the same exact arguments you are, for that matter. you can't decide that everybody is mired in the same sexist agenda and therefore is suspicious for the same reasons.

also, i'm not sure what you're trying to get at with your last paragraph? why the hell would i say it's NORMAL to be suspicious of a victim, when clearly i've stated that i've been on her side until now and am still hoping there is more evidence that'll tip the scale in her favor? i don't feel thrown off bc she's acting like it's normal/nothing's wrong, i'm thrown off bc some of the stuff in the text convos doesn't line up with the information we've been given (which is why a lot of netizens are taken aback and starting to doubt). also, like it or not, this case will influence the public opinion, and if it's proven A is lying, it'll set a precedent that won't be good for future victims regardless of how they react/do not react. these cases don't exist in a bubble, and certainly not within korea where rape-culture is less recognized.

[asth77.livejournal.com]

I thought you were saying that it was normal for netizens to change their minds if the atmosphere and the tone of A's text messages were telling she felt alright or anything.
Like I don't get at all why we would be talking about any atmosphere or tone right now, it doesn't matter and it's not the reason netizens act that way no matter what is the translation. Yes I might have misunderstood you if that's not what you meant.
Nowhere in what I wrote did I mention that there is no worthy reasons one could change their minds because of what A said, let's give the good reasons enough credits and eliminate the superficial reasons, that's my point.
Also, yes I'm totally aware not al korean netizens have the same damn opinion. This arguments that should have been said 1 year ago is getting old. Most of the poeple on Omona say "netizens" as in to say the netizens who are getting +1,300 upvotes in the most viewed nate articles. You know, the kind of netizens who have the power to ruin someone's career. those are def not the korean netizens who have moderate opinions unfortunately, right?

[yunhalove.livejournal.com]

I don't see why we should completely ignore atmosphere, especially if the one set by the texts implies things that are different from previous statements given/may lead to an explanation of how things may have gone down. just in the convo alone the subtext disproves a bunch of the stuff her friend b claimed. how is that not important evidence?

If you're talking about nate that's a whole different can of worms. nate's opinion =/= the opinion of the general public, or even of the average netizen. they're still upvoting anchovy/sick jokes by the thousands on every single iu article, for christ's sake. it's not much better, or any more permanent, than the type of comments upvoted on youtube. on most other websites like 뉴쪽/instiz/bestiz/hell, even dc inside there has always much more diversity in opinions about this case, though the general consensus is that people don't know what to believe because all the reports are so different/contradictory.

[asth77.livejournal.com]

What do you mean by atmosphere exactly then?
To me, all the "keke" and cutesy talk ae not evidence. That's all I meant.

nate's opinion =/= the opinion of the general public, or even of the average netizen

I know it and I already said I didn't believe it was necessarily the majority of korean ppl's opinions.


http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.fr/p/are-these-netizen-comments.html

[yunhalove.livejournal.com]

i'll give an example of atmosphere/tone so that you can maybe get why netizens think the atmosphere is important. the text logs show that they were using formal/polite jondae UP until the night of the incident and in the morning A's speech dramatically switches to banmal w/ tons of aegyo where there wasn't before. she's not the only one acting affectionate, he obvs is too. this kind of thing isn't something that should be understated, especially in a hoobae-sunbae/oppa-younger girl relationship. maybe something happened to warrant this change. maybe it's a self-defense mechanism of sorts. who knows. stuff like this can suggest a multitude of things, including romantic involvement. there are already theories stating that maybe she only had sex with psh bc she was drunk and thought it was k, which of course in itself would be a form of rape due to her being incapable of giving proper consent. not to mention the fact that this ENTIRE conversation is at complete odds with b's testimony. coupled with the whole "i'm going to show off my acting skills and make myself the biggest victim" text from A that the police released, stuff like this IS important, whether we want it to be or not.

just to be clear, i wanna reiterate the fact that i am not doubting the actual possibility of rape. fact of the matter is she was carried in black out drunk. i'm not naive so as to ignore the sick power dynamics that are at work here either. what i am doubting is the legitimacy of info we've been given by A + her friend, bc according to this convo things don't exactly line up.

anyhow, this will be my last post on the matter until more definitive info comes and clears stuff up for real.

[sub-divided.livejournal.com]

I was going by the English translation, so thank you for going into detail about the language of the original post.

If she was involved with K or liked him, that could in a way be even worse - because he could have used that trust to set her up.

I really hope this case is NOT decided based on whether or not the victim "seems" like she was being friendly and blaming herself in texts - because first of all you're right that it doesn't mean anything, and second of all the guy she is - possibly - being friendly with is not even the guy who is accused of the rape! It'll be so disheartening if the case is decided on those grounds, because that would be like saying that women who are friendly with one man can no longer be raped, because obviously they are just easy, or something.

[supplanter.livejournal.com]

When the things with B (A's friend) came out, I didn't know why B would be talking to the media, but I thought it was possibly to try to adjust public perception in favor of A? It's hard to put together an unbiased/favorable jury (this sort of trial will have a jury, right?) if everyone's convinced you're a gold-digger, and it seems like the initial reaction was very much like that. But then both sides (seemingly) kept releasing more info... I'm amazed the police can't put out a gag order on this kind of thing. On the basis of, I dunno, it all making it harder for them to investigate or whatever.

[candycoateddame.livejournal.com]

I'm still holding out judgement on everything 'cause the media storm is a confusing mess, so I just wanted to stay out of commenting on everything, but I got kind of upset over how many people seem to be judging her on her 'cutesy' talk. Like I get that if YOU had been raped YOU wouldn't be talking 'cutesy', YOU'D be more angry and have perfect pissed off speech/actions to defend yourself, but it doesn't always work like that. Talking 'cutesy' is NOT evidence of anything. Sometimes I talk/text 'cutesy' when I don't mean it, I lol when I'm not actually laughing, and yes sometimes I use it to cover discomfort/fear. I sometimes have trouble defending myself when other people are treating me bad, but it doesn't mean that I want that to happen or that it should happen just because I wasn't able to externally express my feelings. Whatever happened, 'cutesy' talk means nothing.
I find it far more telling that she literally says she's not sure why she's on the bed with him, which indicates to me that she certainly lost consciousness at some point.

[asth77.livejournal.com]

A+

[winegums.livejournal.com]

mte @every word of this

I knew someone who came back to my college dorm after a date, in tears because she said her date hadn't bothered to ask for her consent, but later ended up dating the guy because he asked her and she liked him anyway. Doesn't make what he did to her not a rape, even if she later chose to deny it to herself and he's a scumbag who got off the hook by asking her out.

[uledy.livejournal.com]

MTE. I bothers me to no end when we feel compelled to analyze and critique every word and action of the survivor to find some sliver of untruthfulness or suspicion, when we should be focusing on the assailant and what they did.