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A few weeks ago, there was a post mentioning that Google's former CEO and current Executive Chariman Eric Schmidt was headed over to North Korea. Huh? Well the story gets weirder: he invited his grad-school-aged daughter Sophie on the trip

Sophie published an awkwardly formatted review of the journey. It's difficult to read: it's one giant page, but there are two columns, and everything is sort of mixed up.

But it's worth the effort. There are a TON of pictures and a lot of personal commentary. It's an interesting read on how one of our peers (I'm generalizing here) experienced North Korea.

Here is her commentary: Sophie in North Korea

(the slideshow linked below is embedded at the bottom of the page, but there are more pictures interspersed that aren't in the slideshow)

Here is a direct link to her pictures: 44 pictures on Picasa/Google

(I haven't seen her pictures embedded anywhere else so I would prefer not to do so here. PLEASE CLICK either her website or the slideshow to see them!)

kottke.org posted these few choice sentences from Sophie's page....  I posted some longer portions under the next cut.

Our trip was a mixture of highly staged encounters, tightly-orchestrated viewings and what seemed like genuine human moments.

The longer I think about what we saw and heard, the less sure I am about what any of it actually meant.

Nothing I'd read or heard beforehand really prepared me for what we saw.

Most of the buildings they visited -- offices, libraries, etc. -- were not heated:

They're proudly showing you their latest technology or best library, and you can see your breath

They weren't allowed to have mobile phones, there were no alarm clocks, and they were told their rooms were probably bugged:

One person suggested announcing "I'm awake" to the room, and then waiting until someone came to fetch you.

It's like The Truman Show, at country scale.

Very little in North Korea, it seemed to us, was built to be inviting.

You could almost forget you were in North Korea in this city, until you noticed little things, like the lack of commercial storefronts.

There is only revolutionary art. There is only revolutionary music.

I was delighted to learn that [Kim Jong Il] and I shared a taste in laptops: 15" Macbook Pro.

No one was actually doing anything.

They're building products for a market that doesn't exist.

And here are some longer sections that might better entice you to click over to Sophie's summary:

It's impossible to know how much we can extrapolate from what we saw in Pyongyang to what the DPRK is really like.

Our trip was a mixture of highly staged encounters, tightly-orchestrated viewings and what seemed like genuine human moments. We had zero interactions with non-state-approved North Koreans and were never far from our two minders (2, so one can mind the other).

It was a nine-person delegation in total. We left our phones and laptops behind in China, since we were warned they'd be confiscated in NK, and probably infected with lord knows what malware.

Lodgings:

Since we didn't have cellphones or alarm clocks, the question of how we'd wake up on time in the morning was legitimate. One person suggested announcing "I'm awake" to the room, and then waiting until someone came to fetch you.

My father's reaction to staying in a bugged luxury socialist guesthouse was to simply leave his door open.

Pyongyang:

Trucks equipped with loudspeakers roam the streets. "For the propaganda," Minder 2 told me, with a tone that suggested You idiot.

People there walk very long distances (miles and miles) in sub-zero temperatures, often in the middle of the road. (Not a problem because there are almost no cars outside the city center.) Conclusion: these people are really, really tough.

You could almost forget you were in North Korea in this city, until you noticed little things, like the lack of commercial storefronts. No street-level commerce, either. I didn't realize that I hadn't seen any plastic bags yet until I saw one person with a bag of apples and thought it looked out of place.

The subway:

Our best shot at seeing a non-staged group of ordinary North Koreans. In a fantastic bit of timing, as we exited the train, the station's power cut out (above right). The commuters around us immediately pulled out flashlights, which they presumably carry all the time.

The Kim Il Sung University e-Library:

Probably 90 desks in the room, all manned, with an identical scene one floor up.

One problem: No one was actually doing anything. A few scrolled or clicked, but the rest just stared. More disturbing: when our group walked in--a noisy bunch, with media in tow--not one of them looked up from their desks. Not a head turn, no eye contact, no reaction to stimuli. They might as well have been figurines.

On technology:

Their mobile network, Koryolink, has between 1-2 million subscribers. No data service, but international calls were possible on the phones we rented. Realistically, even basic service is prohibitively expensive, much like every other consumption good (fuel, cars, etc.). The officials we interacted with, and a fair number of people we saw in Pyongyang, had mobiles (but not smart phones).

North Korea has a national intranet, a walled garden of scrubbed content taken from the real Internet.  Our understanding is that some university students have access to this.  

On tour at the Korea Computer Center (a deranged version of the Consumer Electronics Show), they demo'd their latest invention: a tablet, running on Android, that had access to the real Internet.  Whether anyone, beyond very select students, high-ranking officials or occasional American delegation tourists, actually gets to use it is unknowable.  

What's so odd about the whole thing is that no one in North Korea can even hope to afford the things they showed us. And it's not like they're going to export this technology.  They're building products for a market that doesn't exist.  

Those in the know are savvier than you'd expect. Exhibit A: Eric fielded questions like, "When is the next version of Android coming out?" and "Can you help us with e-Settlement so that we can put North Korean apps on Android Market?"  Answers: soon, and No, silly North Koreans, you're under international bank sanctions

I really recommend clicking over to her site to read the whole review. It's hard to decide which words are representative of such an unusual visit.

Source: Sophie Schmidt via kottke
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Date: 2013-01-28 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baroness.livejournal.com
this is fascinating and freaky, thanks for posting!

Date: 2013-01-28 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sonicphotonic.livejournal.com
It's always interesting to read about people's visits to NK. But wow her site is confusing.

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Date: 2013-01-28 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] benihime99.livejournal.com
very interesting read, very sad too
Thanks OP

Date: 2013-01-28 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honeebs.livejournal.com
This is very interesting.
The slide show, she has great photos.

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Date: 2013-01-28 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ealanor.livejournal.com
Thanks for posting this OP, will read the whole thing when I got more time!

Date: 2013-01-28 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanny-w.livejournal.com
They took her to pay respect to Kim Il Sung's and Kim Jong Il's embalmed bodies? :O

Her gallery is great. Traffic cop unnie is workin it in those heels.

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Date: 2013-01-28 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toshi830.livejournal.com
Can anyone ever actually be prepared for seeing North Korea

Date: 2013-01-28 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teukiesu.livejournal.com
to be honest

i dont think all the stories and pictures in the world could prepare you for the fact that it actually exists and the terror and horror we hear of is real

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Date: 2013-01-28 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dalpaengee.livejournal.com
We left our phones and laptops behind in China, since we were warned they'd be confiscated in NK, and probably infected with lord knows what malware.
really? when i went they took my phone away at the airport but i got it back in perfect condition on my way out

i also definitely remember music other than propaganda, with people in a kitchen listening to celine dion and one of our minders loved borrowing our ipods on the bus to listen to new american music. of course, that only means that the most well off people have access to those sorts of things, but even so.

i was also really surprised about the technology they had in a university i visited while there. i went summer 2011 and they had all these fancy touch screen library systems, which was unexpected for me, at least.

i havent looked at her site yet but some of these quotes seem pretty interesting and accurate, while others (like the phone and computer one i copied) seem over the top and too conspiracy-minded

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Date: 2013-01-28 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djlancerock.livejournal.com
beds aren't hard because NK is uninviting, they're hard because we're used to soft ass beds in this side of the world

Date: 2013-01-28 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dalpaengee.livejournal.com
lol this is so true, most beds in china, south korea, etc. are gonna be hard too just because thats what they're used to

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Date: 2013-01-28 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lee-chikin.livejournal.com
Since we didn't have cellphones or alarm clocks, the question of how we'd wake up on time in the morning was legitimate. One person suggested announcing "I'm awake" to the room, and then waiting until someone came to fetch you.
It's quite tragic, but I laughed so much.
Interesting read, thanks OP!

Date: 2013-01-29 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lightframes.livejournal.com
Yeah that part freaked me out.
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Date: 2013-01-28 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fairwells.livejournal.com
Thanks =)

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Date: 2013-01-28 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 45s.livejournal.com
Lol. Sounds close to the vice travel video

Date: 2013-01-28 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pon-pon-pink.livejournal.com
i read this a few days ago and something bugged me about the way she wrote about NK. I have a very close friend who was in NK quite a few times because of work, she even brought me beer and maggeolli from there and her stories were always so interesting!

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Date: 2013-01-28 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cuizy.livejournal.com
The pictures are interesting..... A lot of the buildings look new and nice.

Also some of it reminds me of what china looked like in the 80s and early 90s

Date: 2013-01-28 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashiva.livejournal.com
Remember that their whole tour route there was planned by NK, so they were probably taken through their best looking places.
Edited Date: 2013-01-28 11:41 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-01-29 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miriamele.livejournal.com
Thanks so much for posting this, OP! Very fascinating read.

Date: 2013-01-29 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zui-circus.livejournal.com
the comments on the photos tho...

Date: 2013-01-29 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] midnightland.livejournal.com
Haha, I came on omona to procrastinate on my NK culture class to find this. Thanks for sharing though, it's all really interesting!

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Date: 2013-01-29 07:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cherrypop.livejournal.com
I know it's coming from her perspective so I can't fault her on that and it's pretty cut and dry (gets to the point), but I actually feel this is a very inaccurate portrayal of North Korea BECAUSE of the privileged perspective it's coming from.

Nothing to Envy paints the picture of North Korea that I felt was the most accurate. It's definitely a more eye opening read than what she's saying. If you're interested in North Korea, read that. Mind blown.
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Date: 2013-01-29 09:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] achan123.livejournal.com
its ok D.O, baby dont cry... tonight...

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Date: 2013-01-29 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] achan123.livejournal.com
http://www.wimp.com/teagirl/

a documentary on a tea girl in North Korea that has had only 1 customer in the past n amount of years...

Date: 2013-01-29 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] balloons.livejournal.com
that's actually only one part of a full account of a trip to NK. the first part, of three, is here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24R8JObNNQ4), and the second and third parts are in the related videos.
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Date: 2013-01-29 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunica1990.livejournal.com
I'm getting some serious 1984 vibes. The part about the rooms scared me.

Date: 2013-01-29 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] modestgoddess79.livejournal.com
fascinating and horrifying

Date: 2013-01-29 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weerainbow.livejournal.com
Thanks for posting this, it was such an interesting read and yet so sad too. The part about the people in the library seemed the most sad to me, to think that people could be so controlled so as to not react to anyone like that...and I wonder how long they have to just sit there pretty much static and hardly more than breathing alone ;___;

Communism Aside

Date: 2013-01-30 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chostick-1988.livejournal.com
I wouldn't mind living there because of how neat and tidy it is.
The emptiness looks sort of relaxing.
I wonder what the penalty is for littering...
[edit] Nice read. Thanks OP!
Edited Date: 2013-01-30 01:27 am (UTC)

Re: Communism Aside

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Date: 2013-01-31 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lobotronic.livejournal.com
fascinating.

if you look through different accounts of trips to North Korea (one guy did a documentary, and another made a graphic novel, and now Sophie Schmidt's account) the results are FRIGHTENINGLY SIMILAR.

They stay at the same hotel. they visit the same landmarks and buildings. same rules, same routines. scary stuff.
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