“Misuda” Panelists: “Foreign Charisma Men Suck”

[shonen-key.livejournal.com]

Beautiful foreign women for various nations are pointing an accusatory finger at foreign men who easily get involved with Korean women.

On the 6th the beautiful women of KBS2’s “Chat With Beauties” spoke critically on the topic of “Indecent Foreigners Living in Korea.”

After choosing as the worst foreigners in Korea those foreigners who always speak English or their native language, never learning Korean, and easily meet Korean women they said, “most western men approach Korean women by saying they want to learn Korean.”


They also said there are many foreigners who live in Korea for many years but speak poor Korean. Among the criticisms a particularly strong one came from Japan-born Sayuri, who said, “when you go to a foreign country, learning that country’s language is proper etiquette.”

They also implicitly criticized the attitude of Korean women who get involved with “tall foreign men who speak English.”

Kenya-born Euphracia said, “in Korea it seems that if you’re tall and just speak English well, you’re treated as the king… My other Kenyan friends were so surprised when they went out with they Korean girlfriends.” Germany-born Vera said, “if a German guy is tall then everybody thinks he’s handsome in Korea… They come to Korea and start acting like Casanova.”

UK-born Eva said, “foreign men who were not popular in their home countries are treated like kings… It’s so strange that western men who of course have very plan features are always being followed by pretty girls.”

Eva added, “if a Korean friend of mine is thinking about having a western boyfriend I tell her to let me see him first. Once my Korean friend’s boyfriend from the UK turned out to have a girlfriend back in the UK.”

Also, there has been criticism over a secretly-operated internet website where foreign men talked among themselves in terms degrading to Korean women.

The site contained problematic contents such as posts about one-night experiences with Korean women, ways to be successful at seduction, and other content degrading Korean women.


p/s If you didn't get the headline -> Charisma Man ;)

p/s You might wanna read these too; two entries regarding the article above:

Since those foreign girls put out so much, they might as well go fuck themselves
Eight reasons Korean girls go for Western boys



Sauce <-- read the comments too, bbs

Comments

[lydzi.livejournal.com]

“when you go to a foreign country, learning that country’s language is proper etiquette.”

--> I freakin do agree!!

The rest of the all article is full of lulz imo.

" Also, there has been criticism over a secretly-operated internet website where foreign men talked among themselves in terms degrading to Korean women."

--> PIGS

[shepardlover.livejournal.com]

I agree with this so hard.

[ruginthesky.livejournal.com]

I want to watch the show a little more. It looks interesting. ha I actually believe all of that and can see it happening.

[shonen-key.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the link :D

[silent-shout1.livejournal.com]

Hypocrisy.
Do these girls think they are on this show for their ~personalities~?

[shonen-key.livejournal.com]

Of course not :P

Well, this show is scripted anyway... Perhaps this will boost up the ego of the Korean men? *shrugs*

[vani21.livejournal.com]

Wow, thats a LOT of over generalisation right there. I agree pretty much only with the learning the language and etiquette part. Not only have they just grouped all tall foreign men together, idk, in this category of being sleazy playboys, but they seem to ignore the fact that women do the same thing to men. We're not wholly innocent in that scale. And y'know what? We grade idols like pieces of meat too. We may not have a set plan to conquer uncharted territories, but hell, who here has seen a hot person of either gender and thought, "If I were lucky enough to get that, I so would."? Honestly. Also. Maybe, just maybe, not all "plain" western men are in a relationship to feed their egos or impress their friends or even just because the girl is beautiful.




/rant


These girls seem slightly bitter/overly pissy about this. Hypocrisy is not a pretty colour on you ladies. Don't pretend you wouldn't work the foreigner card if it got you to where you wanted to go and with whom..

[hp-groupie.livejournal.com]

Hm...interesting thought...touche.

[extraenchanted.livejournal.com]

Eva was in SJ Full House. She's from the UK, and she's half-Brit, half-Japanese.

[extraenchanted.livejournal.com]

When you go to a foreign country, learning that country’s language is proper etiquette.

YES. I get pissed off when Americans/other foreigners living in my country do not have to learn my language, when almost everyone of my countrymen can speak English. D:<

[extraenchanted.livejournal.com]

Anyway, now that I've read the other articles, I have to agree with some of the comments. And I find it weird that all the Misuda panelists agree that male foreigners in Korea are like that. :/

[schizofragile.livejournal.com]

“when you go to a foreign country, learning that country’s language is proper etiquette.”
I quite agree, except when one is too hurried and for example has to stay in that country for like... 2 days, there isn't that much time to learn the language, is there? Which is why most countries have these translation things in the streets/shops/wherever. Just sayin'.

[gabbeeee.livejournal.com]

foreign men who were not popular in their home countries are treated like kings

to be honest, this happens in my country as well.
but still, i must say its rather hypocritical of them. for one thing, they probably wouldnt be on a tv show at all if not for them being foreign.

[shonen-key.livejournal.com]

The same thing happen in my country as well. Heck, I think it's a common thing in Asian countries.

tbh, I think the term 'foreign' in this case only applies to Caucasian men.. If you're happen to be black, you [most likely] won't be getting any special treatment and people are usually suspicious of you -___-;; [it happen in my country though *sigh*]

[miduhyo.livejournal.com]

the secret website sounds super gross, but the "eight reasons korean girls go for western boys" link makes some good points about how korean men treat korean women.

[gawibawibo.livejournal.com]

I haven't watched the episode where they talked about this so I can't really judge them based on this piece alone; I suppose the show is mostly scripted and they edit a lot of things out.
I'm just saying, there's a possibility what they said wasn't as "harsh" as the comments on the source make it seem.

[off-road-ninjas.livejournal.com]

I understand the etiquette of learning a country's language if you are there for an extended period of time, but honestly, if I go to Korea for a vacation, I'm not going to be knowing anything other than a few basic phrases.

Learning a language is a serious commitment, and for people who like to travel like I do, it's not always a viable option.

The part where this becomes a problem is when tourists expect others to understand English, even when there is no reason that they should. I think it's that sense of entitlement that many American tourists have that pisses off a lot of people.

[aici-rua.livejournal.com]

But if the ~tourist ends up living in the place and still refuses to learn the language...?

I actually have a Korean classmate and she's been in the Philippines for quite a long time but she refuses to learn the language and even though she's picked up a lot of terms and she can actually understand ordinary conversations, she still tells people she doesn't know how to speak Tagalog at all.

[cynth84.livejournal.com]

Now you know why I want to move out the US. lol

But for real though, guys are guys no matter what country you are from or what country you go into. It's pretty simple there are douchebags and then they are some good ones still left out there.

[aici-rua.livejournal.com]

Exactly what happens in the Philippines. My dad is a foreigner so he gets treated so much better and people go out of their way to speak English (which they obviously don't enjoy doing as English exactly isn't a piece of cake) without even considering that my dad should know Tagalog.

[aici-rua.livejournal.com]

*isn't exactly

[glasstictac.livejournal.com]

When I lived in Korea I used being foreign to get hot guys. Surprisingly it worked.

[hoyah.livejournal.com]

xD Maybe you just need the foreign men to go abroad - most of the Korean international students I knew from a summer ago were looking for pretty Caucasian girlfriends.

[simply-musings.livejournal.com]

Eh, I think it comes from both sides.

Yeah, I don't really like ugly foreign guys who go to other countries solely to pick up girls who latch onto them for being foreign. Those are the usually the types of guys who no self-respecting woman (of any racial background) in their home country would date. The website that these guys are apparantly using does not surprise me - I have unfortunately interacted with some guys like this at my school, and the way they talk about women (especially women from their target country) is revolting. However, these women shouldn't be so foolish. A lot of guys act nice so that they can get into girl's pants, and these girls need to realize that.

And I love how this argument cannot exist without insulting Korean men. Some of these articles make them sound like cavemen. I have had good and bad experiences with Koreans; but I can honestly say that I have never been called fat or ugly, received any comments on my s-line, or been ordered to "get my bitch ass back in the kitchen and make some pie." They ain't so bad :)

[iheartdarkblue.livejournal.com]

I agree.

These Korean women are enabling those foreign douchebags and enabling them to generalise/stereotype Korean women as easy or cheap.

[chickadork.livejournal.com]

“when you go to a foreign country, learning that country’s language is proper etiquette.”

i agree with this so much, people who speak english are probably the worst for this. they think they don't have to learn any of the other language cause english is a superior language or something. makes me want to slap them -_-

[ashiva.livejournal.com]

LOL It's not the plain looking (in western standards) foreign guys' fault if Korean girls go all crazy for them. Instead the problem is with odd Korean beauty standards and maybe how some Korean males treat women.

[shonen-key.livejournal.com]

ia

[aurait.livejournal.com]

There's . . . a lot to be said here, but I think the key is that we don't forget that what these women are fundamentally complaining about are not the individual, specific behaviors that they name. We can give alternate reasons or say that they're generalizations until we're blue in the face, but it doesn't matter because that's kind of beside the point. What they're complaining about are systematic abuses of structural power.

That's why the "Eight Reasons" blog post is still problematic, even though it tries to give "good" reasons for why Western men are preferred. Especially reasons like being able to offer a girl a way out of Korea and being more "masculine."It blithely ignores the unevenness in power that makes these distinctions possible, like the historically constituted conditions that allow them to have transnational mobility, while the Korean women they're dating presumably don't.

I think the thing most disturbing/indicative of power imbalance is simply this: where are the Korean women in all of this? The classic condition of the disempowered: people are constantly speaking for you.

[kawaiisis86.livejournal.com]

THIS SFM!!

[iheartdarkblue.livejournal.com]

Geez, those men sound like such douchebags.

There are so many of those cases here where I live. Every corner of the street, there's bound to be at least one Asian girl hanging off the arms of some white guy. And in many cases, it's an old, fat man with a short, young Asian girl that's at least 15 years younger than him. It's quite unsettling.

And the dumb white-men-crazy Korean women need to stop enabling these douches. Seriously.

Phew. It's a good thing I don't find white men to be attractive (no offense).

[finalfantasyo13.livejournal.com]

IA so hard, especially the last line. very much.

[vi-ii-i.livejournal.com]

biting the hand that feeds

[onerainysunday.livejournal.com]

"foreign men who were not popular in their home countries are treated like kings… It’s so strange that western men who of course have very plan features are always being followed by pretty girls"

this is so true in asian countries. i know UGLY ass dudes from the US who went to china for some exchange program and they were being treated like CELEBS, random people on the street asking them for photos and shit. ugh.

[cherrypop.livejournal.com]

the link you put about foreign girls doesn't work! can you fix it?

[wad.livejournal.com]

“when you go to a foreign country, learning that country’s language is proper etiquette.”

LOL I hear something like this a lot but it's english speakers complaining about spanish/cuban immigrants.