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“There was only one story that we wanted to tell. ‘So and so likes so and so’ this was it.”

tvN’s ‘Reply 1997’ (script writer LeeWoojung/director Shin Wonho), that teens to those in their fifties can relate to, have one thing that is hard to find on the ground wave. It is nineteen-year-old boy Kang Joonhee’s (Hoya) loving one-sided feeling towards Yoon Yoonjae (Seo Inguk), a boy boy love line. Brothers Yoon Yoonjae and Yoon Taewoong’s (Song Jongho) love for Sung Siwon (Jung Eunji) is another heart wrenching painful story about love that the drama displays. Why would they choose ‘homosexuality’ out of all the things?

About this Shin Wonho PD recently responded in an interview with Newsen “At the planning level while we were thinking of all these different characters I thought of this. I heard that in the 1990s, among the girls there was the culture of homosexuality. They said that there were friends who liked girls with a sense of masculinity. Because I heard that so much from the writer, I decided to put it in.”

He continued to explain, “Although we started off like that we didn’t start off with a certain type of ‘homosexuality.’ It was just ‘Kang Junhee likes Yoon Yoonjae,’ it was not the idea of a boy liking a boy. Never once did we say that it was about ‘homosexuality’ or about being ‘gay.’ Even during our staff meeting we only said ‘Junhee likes Yoonjae..’ and the words ‘homosexuality’ or ‘gay’ never came out. The story that we wanted to tell was ‘so and so likes so and so.’ I myself like those warm things so I selected it.”

Like Shin PD’s words, in ‘Reply 1997’ there are no emotions such as hatred and displeasure that you see in other different dramas. Just Sung Siwon likes HOT’s Tony, Mo Yoojung (Shin Soyool) likes Sechs Kies and Do Hakchan (Eun Jiwon), and Sung Dongil (Sung Dongil) and Lee Ilhwa (Lee Ilhwa) love one another while fighting. Like this, Shin PD only wanted to display the main characters in a four way love relationship (Yoon Taewoong Yoon Yoonjae Sung Siwon Kang Junhee) and various warm beautiful sides of ‘love.’ Kang Junhee’s love also had that meaning.

Shin PD emphasized, “On the viewer board there were some replies that had a violent meaning but, although I don’t know the exact sides of these people, I thought I don’t have to think hard about it. Honestly I also heard things like ‘If you put this in wrong you’ll get criticized!’ But it wasn’t to interpret with a social view and essentially nitpick homosexuality. It’s simple. We just wanted to say Kang Junhe likes Yoon Yoonjae. With those feelings if we were in a time period where it was stricter, then wouldn’t it have been harder? Because it was a generation where it was more unacceptable, it became a more heart breaking one sided love story. It was nothing like reasoning every detail in the story, narrow-minded viewpoint, or let’s break all the bias on homosexuality. We just wanted to do ‘liking.’ Because then there would be nothing that’s hard.”

Which couple’s story does Shin PD value the most in ‘Reply 1997.’ Shin PD surprisingly replied by saying Kang Junhee’s one-sided love. Shin PD said, “To be honest, I treasure Kang Junhee and Yoon Yoonjae’s love line the most. Even while editing it, my heart hurt so much. Especially the scene when Kang Junhee confessed to Yoon Yoonjae, I looked at it for a long time and said ‘What should I do with this?’ It’s to the point where even while filming, the staff know that Junhee’s story is my favorite.”

Shin PD is not the only one that values Kang Junhee and Yoon Yoonjae’s love line. Female viewers who have seen the model student boy with the quiet and neat personality, Junhee, looking at Yoon Yoonjae with a depressing love and worrying have said, “Don’t make Junhee cry.”

Shin PD said that some reactions were so agitated that “There are even replies on the board that make it seem like they would be in a fanfic such as ‘They say that Sung Siwon will become the surrogate mother and Kang Junhee and Yoon Yoonjae will continue on,’ ‘They say Kang Junhee and Yoon Yoonjae will get married.’”

At the question “could that be possible” Shin PD replied, “To take it like that would be hard. I wondered ‘what is this love’s end,’ but I want to end it very calmly so Junhee won’t get hurt. I want to end it so that Junhee’s beautiful feelings won’t be damaged. Junhee could be hurt till the end or he cannot be hurt. But I plan to finish it so that it’s ordinary and calm. If it becomes like that I feel like because it’s calm it might be a more heart breaking love.”

Likewise the process casting of the important character Kang Junhee was different as well. While casting the actor for Kang Junhee Shin PD had put a very particular order. Shin PD said, “The process of Junhee’s casting being difficult was because I had said I don’t want a feminine person to be casted.”

Shin Wonho spoke his mind by saying “If he’s feminine isn’t it too obvious. I thought that if a feminine friend did the delicate acting it would become the boring character that everyone has seen already. If a feminine imaged actor acted as Junhee then it would become too much. I needed an actor who could over come that and could do detailed and delicate acting. But it was really hard to find an actor like that. Even during the audition a lot of people with a lovely line. That why I said ‘if it continues like this it will be really boring.’”

In the end, the actor became Infinite member Hoya. Hoya who was born in Kyungnam Changwon, able to speak in satoori*, and had a manly imagine, was qualified. ‘Hawk’s eye’ Shin PD thought this choice was ‘daebak**’ Hoya, not only as Infinite, but as an actor to the general public, left a deep stamp. Despite only having a few lines because of Kang Junhee’s quiet personality, Hoya’s acting of loving sad feeling has made the viewers fall in love.

Shin PD complimented him by saying, “I was constantly looking for a friend that had both sides but then I met Hoya. As soon as I saw the kid I felt that he can speak in satoori and is manly. While asking, he said that in his group they call him ‘real man’ these days. When talking to Hoya, he is like said, a real man. But when acting he displayed sides of delicateness and innocence as well as many other heart lines well. That is why I thought he was fit exactly with Junhee’s part so I casted him.”

t/n *satoori is the dialect of Korean
t/n **daebak is like best

Source: trans. cr; hyome @ infinite updates | source cr; newsen ; take out with full credits
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Date: 2012-08-28 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neitherreason.livejournal.com
I'm so glad Hoya brought my attention to this drama, it's so good, and so different from other k-dramas that I've seen.
Currently sitting in a pool of tears over the whole Junhee/Yoonjae situation.

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Date: 2012-08-28 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gacchiri.livejournal.com
time to check this out i guess

Date: 2012-08-28 06:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-28 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asnindie.livejournal.com
I like this guy, he understand that attraction and sexuality is more fluid than what people think but I really like the feminine comment, mostly because it distorts the view of people who believe all gay guys are flaming unicorns.

The end of a one sided love is always sad, the viewers might want them to get together but that would be incredibly false tbh.

Date: 2012-08-29 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soft-daisy.livejournal.com
ia, not to mention that it does away the general fanfic misconception that in a homosexual relationship, one of the guys (girls) is usually more feminine (manly) for it to work out

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Date: 2012-08-28 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] julietislimited.livejournal.com
At first I was weary to check this out but I like Hoya and I figured I would give it a shot. And now I'm drowning in these:

Image


And I posted this on tumblr early but man the lack of Yoonjae/Joonhee fanfiction is shocking and sad.

Date: 2012-08-28 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuukihitohira.livejournal.com
this gif is amazing and perfect for everything I feel about this drama

Date: 2012-08-28 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asnindie.livejournal.com
Anyone else here had a one sided love like this? I know I have;_;
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Date: 2012-08-28 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-erotomanic.livejournal.com
story of my life. i'm such a 90s gay. lol!

and wow, you've finally gotten a cute usericon. (baekho excluded, cause he's jailbait)

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Date: 2012-08-28 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jcdhwg.livejournal.com
Is their love-line a big part in the drama or just a little side story?

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Date: 2012-08-28 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shocko-o.livejournal.com
this pd makes good casting decisions.

Date: 2012-08-28 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashiva.livejournal.com
Just came to this article from watching g-ri vids (while I do think both of them like girls too, I cannot help but be convinced that they are also in love with each other), and I'm tempted to start watching the drama, though I wish it was not one-sided.
Edited Date: 2012-08-28 07:28 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-28 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexander-kc.livejournal.com
I really, really like him. It's very encouraging to have seemingly an entire cast and crew of a show behind something like this. I hope they let him have someone, it was be such a letdown to me if he ends up alone while literally everyone else in the cast is married or engaged. ;-;

The only thing I'm wondering about is the part of it just being one person loving another. I'm thinking he's just playing down the social aspects of homosexuality and focus on the love itself, because to me they've dropped hints that Joonhee is gay, even aside from the Yoon Jae part. I won't go into it in case people haven't watched, but I don't see the point of adding in some of the details of his character if not to suggest he's not bisexual or only into one guy.
Edited Date: 2012-08-28 07:40 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-28 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabledlamb.livejournal.com
As much as I generally liked the views the PD expressed in this interview, I thought he was downplaying the issue of homosexuality here too. He was talking about "beautiful" and pure love one person feels for another, but then he suggests you aren't supposed to think of it as homosexuality even if the love portrayed is between two boys? Why not call it what it is, even if it is a one-sided and innocent kind of love?

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Date: 2012-08-28 07:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] iamsupernova.livejournal.com
wait hold on

i'm kind of new to kpop

is a PD directly referencing fanfic not like... super unusual???

Date: 2012-08-28 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] we-rob-banks.livejournal.com
This show had a whole story line based on fanfic in one episode!

I think a lot of idols have talked about awkwardly reading some of the fanfic they were in so it's not really unusual.

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Date: 2012-08-28 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reelrecnizereel.livejournal.com
I will be watching this Saturday night after bio classes. No games!!!!

Date: 2012-08-28 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aifurikuri.livejournal.com
JOON HEE!!!!! t_t no love for you t-t.
Anyway, props to the producers for choosing this story line, and it is true that it has become very much heart breaking given that the characters love for each other are just so simple and clean.

Date: 2012-08-28 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 45s.livejournal.com
tvn has been consistently killing it when it comes to dramas. iirc, i don't think they employ the live shoot system like the major networks do. i guess that greatly improves the quality of the shows.

this drama is great so far.

Date: 2012-08-29 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jia-zhang.livejournal.com
I also think because TVN is a cable network, it gives them more free reign to do what they want, hence their great scripting and dialogue and general epicness of their shows. It's like HBO lite, I guess.

Date: 2012-08-28 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ari-meh.livejournal.com
i like the way he explains it... love doesn't have to be complicated (:
and what he said about casting a feminine actor, too.
all my loves for this pd, tbh. reply 1997 gives me life ; ~ ;
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Date: 2012-08-28 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] in-noctem.livejournal.com
Cable programmes aren't included in the year end award shows right? And I don't think there are any award shows dedicated to cable programmes? Because this drama, and like so many of tvN's dramas this year, deserves so many awards especially one for my bb Eunji.

Date: 2012-08-31 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wtshibal.livejournal.com
aw dude, you're right... that makes me so disappointed.. tvN comes out with such amazing series.. i've loved every single one of their series that i've watched.

Date: 2012-08-29 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anconeous.livejournal.com
I have so much feels for this drama, it's insane. I love how they've tackled the "Joonhee likes Yoonjae" storyline.

Date: 2012-08-29 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jia-zhang.livejournal.com
This looks interesting. I'm gonna check this out.

But not to rain on everyone's parade, but there is one thing I REALLY do not like and that's the way a lot of these shows grossly misrepresent homosexuality. Most of these "lovelines" are targeted towards women, and most of them do not truly represent the reality of being gay within society. It's not about this character is GAY, he likes MEN, it's more like this person likes that person DESPITE that person being of the same gender. It's romantic, sure, but not realistic and imo kind of insulting to the gay community.

This lack of realism is what proliferates the stereotypes and the idea of homosexuality as being outside of the norm and will not exist as part of society, that it's somehow a romantic notion, that people BECOME gay rather than are born this way. But then hardly any show really handles gay characters well, even North American ones, except for Teen Wolf (which is probably the most LGBT friendly show on mainstream TV).

But I guess we have to look at things as glass half-full: at least there is a mainstream show in Korea dealing with the idea of homosexuality. It seems like there is a bit of a shift within Korean youth towards gays, and let's hope this trend develops further in the future. I think about how tough it is in North America for homosexual young men and women, and I can't imagine what it must be like for their Asian counterparts. *sigh*

Well this was tl;dr and way too serious. =_=;

Date: 2012-08-29 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexander-kc.livejournal.com
Yes, yes, yes. This is kind of what I was trying to get at in my comment above. I REALLY love this show; I don't want to sound like I'm upset about it, because I'm really not. I actually think they've done a great job with it, and I love the storyline. The only thing that makes me a bit iffy is the slight skirting around actually just saying Joonhee is gay or bisexual or whatever. It's almost dancing around the subject, so you can take it either as he's gay or bi, or the yaoi fangirls can take it their way which you described.

If they would just come out an SAY that he is gay or bi I would think it's perfect, instead of skirting around it; dropping hints; and then slightly backing off the hints previously given.

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Date: 2012-08-29 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soft-daisy.livejournal.com
I thought it would be a tl;dr, but actually, the article was quite interesting. I think I may watch this drama after I finish the ones I'm watching rn...

Date: 2012-08-30 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lotsoflov-e.livejournal.com


in case you still need more motivation to watch!
(i know this is a fanfic trailer, but the story line is 100% true)
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Date: 2012-08-29 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 22by7.livejournal.com
omg your username

Date: 2012-08-29 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 22by7.livejournal.com
huh. reading some of the comments upthread about how they're misrepresenting/tiptoeing around the possible homosexuality of the character in order to talk about desexualised 'pure love' or sth... given that there's like ONE SINGLE out gay man in korean ent.biz. and his career was fucked over for a considerable amount of time because of that, i'm feeling like this is a situation where more positive/progressive depictions of homosexual characters/relationships WITHIN THE TEXT will count more than any kind of uber pro-queer comment the creators make to the press. it's not ideal but it looks like there's a really long way to go, here. (i feel the same about lgbtq politics in my own country and we're a little bit ahead in some ways haha.)

Date: 2012-08-29 05:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swhyeon1991.livejournal.com
Btw OP, Seo Inguk has a tag ^^

Date: 2012-08-29 08:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steelsigns.livejournal.com
My sister keeps urging me to watch this. Every night she's just like, "CAN YOU JUST WATCH REPLY 1997 NOOOOOOOOOOW" And I'm just like, "Nope. I've got shit to do man." Guess it is time (even though I technically still have lots of shit to do)

Date: 2012-08-30 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lotsoflov-e.livejournal.com


in case you still need more motivation to watch!
(i know this is a fanfic trailer, but the story line is 100% true)

Date: 2012-08-29 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xalter-egox.livejournal.com
Junhee is so so precious T_T Hoya plays his role so well and I love that he's in this drama alongside Eunji and Inguk. XD
Dear writers, please don't break his heart T_T

Date: 2012-08-29 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lobotronic.livejournal.com
oh my god this is total spoilers, I only just started this drama. BRB WATCHING THIS WHOLE FUCKING SHOW.
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