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2NE1, from left, Dara, Bom, CL and Minzy, at the Prudential Center in Newark, the first American show for this Korean-pop group.

Korean Pop’s Singular Mélange
2NE1, Korean-Pop Group, at Prudential Center in Newark
By Jon Caramanica

NEWARK — They waited patiently, several thousand of them, outside the Prudential Center here on Friday night. They were mostly young, a combination of futuristic cool and slightly awkward. The more extravagantly attired were beyond mere extravagance: shiny clothes in bold contrasting prints, hair dyed in colors known to no rainbow.

They were K-pop fans, here for the first American performance of 2NE1, the K-pop — that’s Korean pop — stars. And they were being made to wait, unhappily, for unspecified reasons well past the time that doors were supposed to open, then also past the time that 2NE1 (pronounced “twenty-one” or “to anyone”) had been meant to take the stage. There was at least one report of fangirl tears on the street before the arena’s doors finally relented, and the crowd clogging the sidewalks was slowly herded to seats, just dodging the rain that would have compromised those outfits.

The members of 2NE1 awaited them, taking the stage in track jackets with their names — CL, Dara, Minzy, Bom — spray-painted on the back and, for some of the band, their own faces airbrushed onto the front. (The clothes for the tour were by the fantasist designer Jeremy Scott.)

“I’m going to make this show worth the wait,” CL assured the crowd, just as the group began “Clap Your Hands,” which sounded like a carbon copy of mid-2000s up-tempo R&B, and during which the group’s backup dancers were making a scene that could have been from “Breakin’ 2: Electric Boogaloo.”

K-pop moves at a speed faster than late capitalism, hybridizing styles and sounds at will and pivoting quickly. In this universe new groups are rolled out with efficiency by entertainment conglomerates; YG Entertainment is the one behind 2NE1, which in the last three years has become a huge success. (The group recently appeared in a commercial for Adidas Originals alongside Nicki Minaj.)

2NE1 is a girl group in the Destiny’s Child or Spice Girls mold, but it also incorporates plenty of rapping and some reggae for good measure, as well as production that’s indebted to arena-size dance music. Like most contemporary K-pop, the group borrows from plenty of American and European styles but manages not to carry any fingerprints — the mélange is K-pop’s signature aesthetic.

During the two-hour show this fuzzy center held up impressively, hitting a lull only late in the night during an ill-advised ballad run. When the group stuck to its exhortations to party, or boy-craziness, it was convincing.

CL is the spark plug, rapping with attitude and singing with bluster and seeking the spotlight most aggressively. During her solo turn, she mock-D.J.’ed Rihanna’s “We Found Love” on a platform high over the stage, fooling no one though enjoyable to watch all the same.

But Minzy, who had been uneven at the beginning of the night, ended up being the group’s anchor, singing with confidence and a rich tone, and even dancing in a way that kept up with the hyperactive backing troupe. During her solo turn she break-danced to Missy Elliott’s “I’m Really Hot.”

Dara, with half her head shaved, was the most coy of the group. She sings in a thin, velvety tone that’s best as an accent. Bom, for her part, aimed higher, with ambitious vocals that didn’t always hit their marks. She appeared less and less steady as the night progressed. Each time the group left the stage she was the one trailing behind, either legitimately confused or playing the part well.

2NE1 was backed by a mostly female band, which injected flourishes of real skill amid the music’s more direct demands. It shined on the restrained pop-house of “In the Club,” and also the Kylie Minogue-esque disco of “Stay Together” and the winning “I Love You.”

Even smaller songs were presented in huge fashion, thanks to the dozen or more backup dancers and elaborate video-screen projections. During “Pretty Boy,” the male dancers removed their shirts, one after the other, and one of them walked the length of the U-shaped stage in a Flaming Lips-style inflatable ball.

Despite all the pageantry there was still something slightly unfinished about this performance, with its emphasis on scale and spectacle, not on polish and finesse. There were dance moves not quite executed to their finish, sporadic lip-syncing and some vocal parts rendered shakily.

At the encore 2NE1 delivered a second rendition of “I Don’t Care” — this one reggae-less — and closed with its hit single “I Am The Best,” one of its most dynamic songs, all squelchy synths and abusive drums and slithery vocals. At this point they were dressed casually; following a night of glittery basketball jerseys and psychedelic leggings, it was the equivalent of seeing them in their pajamas. After all, it was late.

2NE1 plays on Friday at the Nokia Theater in Los Angeles; nokiatheatrealive.com.

tl;dr: NYTimes reviewed 2NE1's concert, didn't really enjoy it and states the obvious about the girls and their abilities.

Source: NYTimes

Date: 2012-08-22 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] des-akazim.livejournal.com
such a dramatic intro...it wasn't that uh, theatrical.

people complained a bit but chatted to their friends (some loudly, some awkwardly I guess), that was about it....

can I just say I hate how newspapers report on trends/events/celebrities/fads? they seem to always sound so annoying and condescending, and always behind the times.
Edited Date: 2012-08-22 03:06 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-22 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djlancerock.livejournal.com
actually people were getting super anxious, lol. but it's understandable, we waited way beyond the time doors were supposed to open. also we were worried they'd just cut the show short.

Date: 2012-08-24 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trashsocialite.livejournal.com
I was more worried that we had somehow been forgotten, that's all. I heard noises and didn't know where they were coming from. If someone had said something, I'm sure people would be more than understanding.

Date: 2012-08-24 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djlancerock.livejournal.com
yeah my friend was supplying me with info cause she was looking at tweets from people who were in the VIP. so i was mostly aware of what was going on, but not enough to be satisfied.

Date: 2012-08-22 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideservestars.livejournal.com
but part of a newspaper/new's job is to report on current fads and events. nytimes reviews a lot of events in the nyc area, you just seem mad that they didn't worship the girls.

Date: 2012-08-22 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] des-akazim.livejournal.com
actually, you mistook my comment. maybe I wasn't specific enough, but I wasn't just talking about this instance, I made a general statement about HOW fads and trends are often represented badly in traditional newspapers and journalism.
I remember as a kid the multitude of articles trying to 'explain' pokemon or internet dating or whatever- it's never been handled well, and this is a continuation of that. I actually went to the event, and find this article dramatizes it (which is what articles are supposed do, to be fair, but in this case it's just trying for something that few people there even witnessed e.g. crying).

Edited Date: 2012-08-22 12:46 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-22 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djlancerock.livejournal.com
if you mean the intro then I will agree, lol. yes there were oddly dressed people and awkward people and whatever but I think most people there were just normal folks who enjoy 2ne1. not to mention many were not even young. idk I've seen weirder people at more mainstream shows.

Date: 2012-08-22 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deeinanutshell.livejournal.com
Yeah I agree. Most of what he said was true but I can't help but imagine some 40 year old man who constantly says "kids these days" and "back in my day..." wrote this. This is evidently not written from the perspective of 2NE1's target audience. Like maybe someone in their 20s should have been assigned this?

Also I just hate how newspapers write about kpop in general. It's really condescending 99% of the time.

Date: 2012-08-22 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] illustratedd.livejournal.com
lol the shade in this article.

Date: 2012-08-22 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deerlike.livejournal.com
Oh NYT.

Date: 2012-08-22 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fancifury.livejournal.com
i thought it seemed mostly positive. just a little critical.

not seeing the big deal here tbh

Date: 2012-08-22 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oonalala.livejournal.com
Considering this is the New York Times, I'd consider this a pretty positive review. I was expecting much much worse.

Date: 2012-08-22 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akaich0u.livejournal.com
Yeah the descriptors of the members are obvious to K-pop fans but for a non-Kpop audience, they're informative (because they're true). Minji really is the anchor and Dara really is best off as an accent. And as much as I love Bom, she is a little inconsistent while CL is most attention-grabbing.

Despite all the pageantry there was still something slightly unfinished about this performance, with its emphasis on scale and spectacle, not on polish and finesse.
This has been 2NE1's shtick for quite some time. I do enjoy stuff like "Clap Your Hands" and "I Am the Best" but without a doubt 2NE1's best side is their more mellow side ("I Don't Care", "Hate You"), etc, imo.

Date: 2012-08-22 11:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hurtmybones.livejournal.com
every day I'm lighting a candle, praying they never go back to IDC levels of boringness. that song can gtfo and take its basic cousins (Stay Together, In The Club) with it

Date: 2012-08-22 11:14 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-22 04:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k0dama.livejournal.com
Bom, for her part, aimed higher, with ambitious vocals that didn’t always hit their marks. She appeared less and less steady as the night progressed. Each time the group left the stage she was the one trailing behind, either legitimately confused or playing the part well.

;o;

Date: 2012-08-22 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spread.livejournal.com
Why is Kara's new MV on ONTD (first) and not here...

Date: 2012-08-22 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] la-geni.livejournal.com
isn't this what basically all the attendees have been saying? Cool because it was 2ne1, but overall a hot mess?

Date: 2012-08-22 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brackdiamon.livejournal.com
Despite all the pageantry there was still something slightly unfinished about this performance, with its emphasis on scale and spectacle, not on polish and finesse.

Well this is K-pop in a nutshell with very few exceptions.

Date: 2012-08-22 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reelrecnizereel.livejournal.com
How the hell are you gonna expect anything more from a square ass newspaper? gimme a break for real. I am sure if these chicks were blondes hoes twerking at their penthouse cubicles splashed in paint it would've been considered a fucking masterpiece. I am not feeling this article.
Edited Date: 2012-08-22 05:27 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-22 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideservestars.livejournal.com
nat really, nytimes is a pretty classy and highly regarded news source. it's an unbiased review, it's not some fangirl creaming herself and submitting it on tumblr.

Date: 2012-08-22 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reelrecnizereel.livejournal.com
but I am not saying that's what it should be. I am saying that I am not really feeling how they undermined them. If it was a western artist they would have been up their ass to the brains and back so I don't think we should pretend. Maybe it's classy and highly regarded for you but not for me, please and thank you- I choose not to drink their Kool Aid (not saying that you do) but it's just not my flavor.

Date: 2012-08-22 06:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideservestars.livejournal.com
UNDERMINED? did you even read the article or just the part where op said nyt didn't like the show? everything i've heard was that this show was a mess, if anything, nyt was being nice.
and lol, no. if you want to have your head shoved so far up your ass that you think kpop is the best thing that ever happened, then okay fine, but don't think that these authors are being racist just because you don't like what they have say about unnie~

Date: 2012-08-22 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reelrecnizereel.livejournal.com
Didn't say anything about race either, this was a mess from inception- I was there. I have been alive long enough to know that most of KPOP is recycled music and themes. I just feel like NYT did undermine them and we can agree to disagree.

Date: 2012-08-22 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideservestars.livejournal.com
"I am sure if these chicks were blondes hoes twerking at their penthouse cubicles splashed in paint it would've been considered a fucking masterpiece."

"If it was a western artist they would have been up their ass to the brains and back so I don't think we should pretend."


How did they even undermine them, you aren't making any sense.

Date: 2012-08-22 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reelrecnizereel.livejournal.com
How are we going to argue about my perspective/ interpretation of an article? I don't make any sense to you because you are refusing to understand what I said. My views on NYT aren't going to change so what are you getting at? Like I said already, we can AGREE to DISAGREE. Deuces.

Date: 2012-08-22 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunshine2163.livejournal.com
lol someones jimmies about this article clearly have been ruffled

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Date: 2012-08-22 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reelrecnizereel.livejournal.com
Nah far from that actually I don't like NYT at all- for it's war mongering propaganda -esque reports point blank, so I don't know who would care to know there opinion on a subject like KPOP
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Date: 2012-08-22 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reelrecnizereel.livejournal.com
This isn't the place to talk about war or propaganda so- it is what it is.

Date: 2012-08-22 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideservestars.livejournal.com
Bom, for her part, aimed higher, with ambitious vocals that didn’t always hit their marks. She appeared less and less steady as the night progressed. Each time the group left the stage she was the one trailing behind, either legitimately confused or playing the part well.

i'm crying omg

Date: 2012-08-22 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] julietislimited.livejournal.com
if your mission was to get me to distracted by your icon, then your mission was a success

Date: 2012-08-22 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] julietislimited.livejournal.com
And they were being made to wait, unhappily, for unspecified reasons I wonder why there was such a delay.

I hope BB won't have a delay as I'm going alone and do not want to be awkwardly sitting alone waiting for it to start lol

Date: 2012-08-22 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falling-empress.livejournal.com
(The group recently appeared in a commercial for Adidas Originals alongside Nicki Minaj.)

um excuse you? i think he meant minaj was graciously honored to be in the presence of 2ne1's adidas commercial. gtfo naj.

Date: 2012-08-22 07:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] benihime99.livejournal.com
There's some truth in there

Date: 2012-08-22 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phililen3.livejournal.com
At least he was honest...But wow, at times it was a bit.... Oh well. If the attendees were fine with the concert then whatever, if not, well I hope YG fixes this. Bom really needs to figure herself out, stop trying too hard/YG peeps need to stop pushing vocals that she can't get to well... She used to sound so good...

Date: 2012-08-22 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erbalurbal.livejournal.com
So proud of Minji! She's always overshadowed by Bom as a singer and CL as an entertainer, I'm glad an unbiased eye can see her true worth. I don't really like the wording of this article but it says a lot of what I always thought about 2ne1. Luv the girls tho and I hope their cali concert is successful too. I'm trying to hide my jealousy tbh

Date: 2012-08-22 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zoetheslacker.livejournal.com
i thought the review was pretty fair and unbiased, the reviewer pointed out BOTH the good parts and parts that needed improvement, so i'm not sure why some of the fans were going "the wording is too harsh/NYTimes knows shit/RACISTS!!!!". please, you haven't seen harsh until you've seen some of the gig reviews of A-Listers like Rihanna or Usher.

Date: 2012-08-22 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peanim.livejournal.com
I actually really liked the review. I think it was fair and everything it said about 2NE1, bad and good, are things I've seen as a fan. I'm so happy with the things said about Minzy, she doesn't get much credit for that. Or maybe I just really agree with all the criticism, since they're the things that quite bug me about the group.

I have a feeling most of Omona is annoyed with this guy, but did anyone read Jeremy Scott's tweets, asking his followers to vote for 2NE1 on Mnet Global? (IDK what the poll's for.) I will not talk about the tiny words of playful hate he implied. I just really like how he's genuinely supportive of 2NE1.

Date: 2012-08-22 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] izabera.livejournal.com
I keep reading about Bom's poor vocals, I wonder if she was sick or is she always disappointing live?
I hope it's the former, they don't need excuses to give even more of her lines away :(

o/t I want a GDTOPBOM album.

Date: 2012-08-22 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dirrtypony.livejournal.com
late but i dont think she is singing correctly. ive noticed that some songs she sounds really good and others not so much. i think its the way they are having her sing.

Date: 2012-08-23 08:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miko-nyappy.livejournal.com
I heard she was sick, but who knows :/

Date: 2012-08-22 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deeinanutshell.livejournal.com
Harsh but true. But like I said in a previous comment, this was deffo not written from the perspective of 2NE1's target audience whom would actually benefit more from this review. This sounds like it's from a man in his late 40s with little understanding and interest in today's pop sound.

But I hope 2NE1 and YG take these criticism in stride because they are true most of them. I love Bom (and she's my bias) but this:
"Each time the group left the stage she was the one trailing behind, either legitimately confused or playing the part well"
is the most accurate thing about her I have EVER read. And I laughed really hard.

Date: 2012-08-22 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dirrtypony.livejournal.com
this review is really spot on.

Date: 2012-08-22 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prdarkstar.livejournal.com
I'm a fan so I had a fucking blast. The girls were there performing and that's pretty much what I cared about. There were problems but they didn't take away from my enjoyment.

From a critical pov, Bom has always been hit or miss. She has a great voice but isn't a great singer. I just wish she could get a vocal coach who really understood her limitations and could teach her how to utilize her talent. She's constantly trying to hit notes that just don't compliment her voice at all. I admit, I was cringing a little during her solo.

Minzy is always very consistent in everything she does and while I agree that she was surprisingly off at the beginning, she got herself together very quickly. The dancing, the singing, the rapping...girl is fucking good.

Dara is never going to be the most spectacular singer or performer but she pulls her weight, adding a much needed softness to the group dynamic. During her solo, she felt like a breath of fresh air.

CL, yes she can get very loud and that can be a problem, but without a doubt she is a true entertainer. She gave it her all from beginning to end and that's why she stands out so much. Doing it all and doing it well. And the energy she brings! "Spark plug" is so accurate.

Date: 2012-08-23 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvey.livejournal.com
seemed like a pretty fair article. listing both good and bad. and i did enjoy the bit about minzy. she gets pushed back unless she's humping the floor. but i think she's a better singer than Bom and can hold her own in the spot light more than CL. i'm kinda laughing at the comment about CL's faux DJing stint.

it doesn't matter how old this person is, nor if he is a guy. it is an unbiased opinion for a western media outlet. the US has already been through the pop phenom and boy/girl group decade. so kpop is really nothing in the bigger picture of the music scene. it's a been there, done that feel except in a different language.

Date: 2012-08-23 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soft-daisy.livejournal.com
not that the article isn't spot on, but the writer is clearly new to kpop. almost everything described is kpop in general though there are exceptions.

ngl though. not a fan, but i'd love to see minzy and cl perform. though bom is weaker in terms of live and dara has weaker vocals on the whole, it's pretty obvious that they're essential to the group.

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