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John Power of The Korean Herald reports:

With discrimination still widespread ...
Can Korea ever accept homosexuals?


Homosexuality has long been taboo in Korean society. The traditional Confucian emphasis on familial bonds led homosexuality to be regarded as detrimental to the societal order, as defined by the philosophy’s five categories of social relationship. In the 1980s, homosexuals were widely feared as AIDS carriers.

Today, many Koreans continue to see the sexual orientation as deviant or symptomatic of mental illness. Some even question its very existence: A pastor last month claimed on national television that the country was free of homosexuality. With such perceptions to contend with, many gay men and women hide their identity from colleagues, friends and family.

Simply “coming out” is one of the biggest challenges for gay people here, according to a director at a gay men’s organization that is contacted by about 50 people each week.

“Most people have little understanding of homosexuals, not very deep. I think that they need to be more interested about gay people’s lives and human rights,” said Lee Jong-goel, director-general of Chingusai, or “Between Friends.”



Outside influence

It was this lack of knowledge that filmmaker Lee Hyuk-sang was concerned with when he made “Miracle on Jongno Street,” a 2010 documentary about the lives of four gay Korean men.

“Most Korean straight people did not have information and opportunities to meet gay people around them,” said Lee. “So my documentary was a kind of educational material for them, and they learned and felt about gay people’s everyday lives. Some of them were shocked, because actual Korean gay men and their lives in my film were so ‘normal.’ They thanked me and my film and said ‘I’ll be a supporter for gay people!’”

Lee said he was heartened by the mainly positive response to his film. Perhaps surprisingly, much of the negative reaction actually came from within the gay community itself.

“My film revealed the gay life and gay image in Jongno, so they were afraid to ‘be recognized’ as gay by straight people who didn’t have a gay image and notion (before watching the film).”

One misconception that exists is that homosexuality is a foreign condition, its presence in Korea being attributable to relatively recent outside influences.

“Many Korean homophobes think that Korea had no gay people before the ’90s. They think that it was influenced by Western culture. But that’s not true. They don’t want to know their friends and family members’ sexuality,” said the Chingusai director.

In fact, before the arrival of the Joseon Dynasty in the 14th century and its elevation of Confucian principles, Korea was relatively tolerant of same-sex relationships. According to a paper on the history of homosexuality in Korea by Kim Young-gwan and Hahn Sook-ja, elite warriors during the Silla Kingdom known as “hwarang” engaged in homosexual behavior, while King Kongmin of the Goryeo Kingdom practiced pederasty. While the Confucianism of the Joseon era rarely made direct references to sexual matters, homosexuality necessarily came into conflict with the ridged kinship mores of the time.

“Korean culture, as well as other Asian cultures with strong ties to Confucianism, still views homosexual people as problematic and disruptive to family tradition,” said Lim Hyun-sung, an associate professor at the College of Social Welfare at Kangnam University in Yongin, Gyeonggi Province.

As the influence of Confucianism has weakened over time, a belief system more recent to Korea has become a significant source of opposition to homosexuality: Christianity.

While there is some diversity of opinion of the issue within the faith, most churches see homosexual acts as sinful. The Christian Council of Korea is the largest organization of Christian churches in Korea, comprised of 69 dominations and 20 Christian organizations. The organization recently protested a concert by Lady Gaga, partly because of her supposed promotion of homosexuality.

“The value of Christianity is love, so we also have affection toward homosexual people. … But in a doctrinal way, we think (of it) as a sin, we hate that kind of sin, but we also love homosexuals as well,” said a CCK team manager who did not wish to be named, stressing he was speaking in a personal capacity only.

“We think God created man and woman and allowed them to be one in marriage. So based on that, we are upholding those kinds of values and are opposing the homosexual issue.”

Visibility

While he acknowledges the differing views on homosexuality within Korean Christianity, he believes that the majority view is here to stay.

“In the near future I think various perspectives will exist, but thinking of the Korean church history, still maybe five years later, 10 years later, Korean conservative groups (will be) a majority of the Korean church.”

Ian Johnson, the founder and CEO of Now Global, the world’s biggest consulting company on the needs of gay consumers, sees it differently. His firm recently launched “Out Now Global LGBT2020 Study,” an anonymous online survey on gay people’s lives in numerous countries, in Korea. Since the company was established in 1992, the constant trend in every country has been greater acceptance of homosexuals, he said.

“In every country we have worked in during the intervening twenty years the trend has been consistently one that sees visibility as the first step ― through research such as our LGBT2020 study ― followed by increasing levels of comfort among general society as they learn that gay people are not that different from themselves,” said Johnson.

“Some aspects of the LGBT life can be different for individual respondents, of course, but in general the types of things that concern mainstream Koreans ― such as work, jobs, finances, families ― can be expected to also concern gay or lesbian Koreans too.”

Johnson said its was too earlier for the survey to have produced clear data for Korea, but that expectations were that Korea would show fewer people “out” than in countries such as the U.S.

“The whole notion of being ‘out’ is really quite new in Korea. Whereas in other places, like the U.S. or Australia, people have been publicly coming out as homosexual since the 1970s and 1980s, and in other places like Germany since the 1920s ― in Korea this is a very new trend.”

Change

For Lee, there is reason to be cautiously hopeful that Korea will eventually be accepting of homosexuality. Some viewers of his film at the Berlin International Film Festival told him that the German capital had been like Korea 30 or 40 years ago.

“There was fear, homophobia, hate crime and prejudice in Berlin at that time, but now Berlin is the central ‘gay’ city in the world where gay people can express their love on the street hand-in-hand, out of the closet,” Lee said.

But he believes it will take time for Korea to catch up ― perhaps 40 years.

“I’m expecting Seoul like that in the future but I’m not sure. So that’s why I’m making films about LGBT people in Korea, because film is the most effective media for spreading messages to the world and can make straight people have positive attitudes toward LGBTs. As for me, that is my duty, I think.”

Article End

Readers’ voice (there's only one...what?)

Homosexuality in Korea...

People who are “not straight” are just a bit different from other human beings. Do we consider that we should “accept” disabled people? No, we do not, because they all are part of us, part of society.

I think the only reason homosexuals are not being welcomed in our society is that they go against Catholicism. Love your neighbor but put them away if your neighbor is gay. What a great dogma!

― SK Boom Lee, Sydney, Australia, via Facebook



Source:  The Korea Herald 

Kills me every time SK and JPN pretend homosexuality is some foreign toxicity.
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Date: 2012-07-06 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soheefan.livejournal.com
Is it really like that in Japan? That seems pretty cool actually
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Date: 2012-07-06 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muzegrey.livejournal.com
Honestly, Japanese people just have a different culture. Even if they are homophobic, they aren't going to cause a scene. Don't be so sure of Japan's "tolerance". They just hide the intolerance better than Koreans who are more vocal.

Date: 2012-07-06 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shineebambi.livejournal.com
Korea has a long way to go before its truly accepting and open to other sexualities i just hope it happens sooner rather then later

Date: 2012-07-06 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xxkumorixx.livejournal.com
they have a long way to go in everything: sexuality, laws, races....etc..:/

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Date: 2012-07-06 04:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laeryn.livejournal.com
Does anybody know where I can find that movie? Hopefully with subs, but I could watch it without even. I am curious, tbh.

On a side note, I refuse to think that accepting homosexuality is an impossibility anywhere. Some countries will take a lifetime to get there, and there will always be opposing voices, and the way there is always hard, but this is one of those things I need to see in a positive light so I want to think that everyone, everywhere, can eventually learn that we are all humans and that differences aren't necessarily a bad thing.

Also, religion. I hate when religion is the cause of a prejudice because it tends to be just so damn irrational and they tend (don't take it at heart, please, I know not every religious person is like that) to spread their beliefs even tho maybe not everyone even professes the same religion. I just. Ugh.

Why is it so bad for someone to just love another person? What does it mind who you love? I've never been able to wrap my mind around this idea, tbh.

Date: 2012-07-06 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scubajr.livejournal.com
Your last two comments are exactly what I think. I'm an atheist so I go by my own morals and beliefs. One of those beliefs is that if there are two people who love each other, they should be able to legally and proudly show their love no matter the gender. I do wonder though if I was religious and followed the rules of Islam if I would be as open-minded as I am now.

Date: 2012-07-06 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sisterjune.livejournal.com
I dont think its fair to lump Japan in with Korea here. Japan may not be a haven of tolerance but as far as I know they are pretty chill about gay people. I mean you are not in danger of your life or safety if someone finds out you are gay. It is not considered a taboo on the same level that it is in Korea. Also gay and trans people actually make appearances on Japanese variety shows and dramas. and It is accepted that they exist and are in japan. I remember once I was watching an arashi show and this pretty femme boy wanted to confess to a male friend or coworker I believe that he was madly in love with. Arashi was to help him do this, and they did so happily and with zero judgement what so ever and the guy accepted the other more feminine man's confession and everyone cheered and it was really sweet and heartwarming and at no point was a single derogatory thing said. This is not necessarily proof that Japan is never homophobic but I would say its pretty clear proof that its not like Korea. Its a very different climate over there. and one distinction that should be acknowledged here is that Korea is very christian but Japan is NOT. There is nothing in Japanese religion that says homosexuality is sinful. In feudal Japan it was not uncommon for samurai to take male lovers too. Not to mention Japan has an entire industry built around gay male relationships in gay porn and yaoi manga (there's also Yuri but thats not as popular ofc). and no such thing really exists in Korea. I could probably bring up even more examples if I tried but I think I've made my point.

Date: 2012-07-06 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryrymini.livejournal.com
While gay and trans people appear on tv in Japan, they're almost always caricatures. While it may be true to themselves, they earn their living exploiting stereotypes that only fuel stereotypes and misconceptions even further. Same thing with yuri/yaoi. None of the 'homosexual media' consumed by Japanese people depicts homosexuals as they truly are, which needless to say is a large problem in acceptance.
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Date: 2012-07-06 08:45 pm (UTC)
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I have a question: What about lesbian? I know some (male) trans and gay in Japan but I wonder if there's any open lesbian?

Date: 2012-07-06 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cagallisakura.livejournal.com
I have never understood how Korea is so okay with guys making out with each other but calls that fanservice. Yet when two same sex people genuinely love each other, this is a crime worse than rape and murder. I exaggerate but Korea's sentencing time for those two crimes suck shit.

Date: 2012-07-06 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laeryn.livejournal.com
I read the other day a line that was sth like "Korea, where you can look gay but not be gay", lol. But it's true and it's something I can't quite understand yet D:

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Date: 2012-07-06 05:25 am (UTC)
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While we're on this topic, I think it was nice to see that Frank Ocean made an impact on the hip hop community with his recent confession!

Date: 2012-07-06 06:30 am (UTC)
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Date: 2012-07-06 05:29 am (UTC)
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give it another 40 years

Date: 2012-07-06 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-erotomanic.livejournal.com
conservative Christians in the u.s. have really become obsessed with the topic of homosexuality lately that they're making sure that Christians in other countries obsess about these kinds of things.

“The value of Christianity is love, so we also have affection toward homosexual people. … But in a doctrinal way, we think (of it) as a sin, we hate that kind of sin, but we also love homosexuals as well,” said a CCK team manager who did not wish to be named, stressing he was speaking in a personal capacity only.

this person sounds like s/he is being made to believe something s/he doesn't really have much an opinion on.

Date: 2012-07-06 06:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falling-empress.livejournal.com
srsly

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Date: 2012-07-06 07:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chunsakuma.livejournal.com
There's no Korean word for a lot of concepts though, most of which have nothing to do with sexuality, so your ~point~ doesn't really make any sense. It's like saying that since there's no Korean word for air conditioners (they're called 에어컨 which is a Korean spelling of 'air con'), Korean people don't believe that they exist.

Also, your ratio of religions in Korea is incorrect. Christianity and Buddhism are major religions, but it is not half and half. A majority of Koreans express no religious affiliation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_South_Korea#Statistics_on_religion_by_population) and South Korea is on the middle to high end of the spectrum as far as countries with the greatest percentage of non-religious people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion#Irreligion_in_the_world) (their percentage is over double that of the US). Religion is just one aspect of homophobia in Korea, but like this article explained, it's mainly due to Confucian values that have been around for centuries.
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Date: 2012-07-06 09:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ice-44.livejournal.com
i'm gay too º3º

Date: 2012-07-06 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dierre101.livejournal.com
I really hope 40 years is an exaggeration. Maybe I’m too optimistic, but it’s 2012, we should be well and truly past this by now. Then again, if people in Korea don’t start talking about LGBTQIA+ people/issues in an informed setting they probably won’t advance very far in a hurry.

It’s got to suck for the queer Kpop idols out there as well :/
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Date: 2012-07-09 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supplanter.livejournal.com
Why do you think it's an exaggeration? It would take about 30 years for all the intolerant older ppl to die so that gay marriage could be easily voted in in the USA rather than proclaimed legal by fiat. Well, hopefully all these processes can be accelerated, of course....

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Date: 2012-07-06 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shy-mizuno.livejournal.com
Christianity rejects homosexuality because in the times that the bible was written, a relationship between a man and a woman was purely for procreation's purpose. That's why a man could have multiple wives.

I'd like to see Korea's reaction to polygamy.

But as the article said, Korea isn't used to homosexuality. And though they gave America as an example, we aren't used to it either [not me personally, but our society in general] But they have taken steps forward. They have quite a few movies and homosexual characters out in the media and have celebrities like Harisu and Hong Seok-cheon out in public. And though it sounds strange to say so, K-Pop helps a whole lot to change minds as well. The fan-service that the idols put on is encouraged by the millions and millions of fans that they have, changing their minds into believing that maybe homosexuality isn't all that bad.

In short, I think one day Korea will accept homosexuality, just like one day, the entire world will. After all, at one point in time, everybody used to be screwing everybody else and nobody cared if it was male or female.
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Date: 2012-07-06 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cettefemme90.livejournal.com
SK Boom Lee said exactly what I was thinking.

Great read, and I agree with the estimate of forty years until acceptance is widespread (unfortunately).

My gay friend is in Korea right now and seems to be having a great time, but then again I guess he's not walking around going 'I'm gaaaaay' :p

Date: 2012-07-06 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wox666.livejournal.com
planet is overcrowded, acceptance of homosexuality is normal.
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Date: 2012-07-06 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yami-no-hoshi.livejournal.com
sorry but no
there is no excuse for having prejudiced views on homosexuality. physical hate crimes are not the only expressions of bigotry that can hurt people. Homophobia isn't just about hate crimes.

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Date: 2012-07-06 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yami-no-hoshi.livejournal.com
I agree with the last bit of the article, I think that visibility is certainly important. In the last few years there have been very successful films dealing with homosexuality, like The King and the Clown, No Regret and Just Friends, and gay issues have certainly become more prominent in pop culture in general, so I think that as awareness/less marginalization continues to grow in Korea, so too will acceptance.

Date: 2012-07-07 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mjspice.livejournal.com
Man this sucks!

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