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By Kim Jong-chan

I could not watch my wife suffering any longer from the pain. What I hoped was that she will go to heaven and breathe comfortably without a respirator,” a farmer in his 80s said.


His wife died after he disconnected the respirator. She had suffered from lung cancer for the past six years.
The 83-year-old man, only identified by his surname Shim, cut the respirator’s hose with a knife he carried on May 5 at Chonbuk National University Hospital’s intensive care unit as his 77-year-old wife, who was diagnosed with late-stage lung cancer, lost consciousness. After a nurse at the hospital reported the incident to police, the man was apprehended at the scene.

During questioning next day, Shim shed tears. “I wanted to take her to my house as she remained in a vegetative state and suffered from pain. I could not help but (disconnect the respirator) as the hospital did not allow me to do it,” he was quoted as saying by a police officer.

She had received inpatient or outpatient treatment for lung cancer for the past years. She was hospitalized again on April 27. On May 4, she was moved to the hospital’s intensive care unit after undergoing cardiopulmonary resuscitation as her heart stopped beating. During this year alone, she was taken to the hospital by ambulance six times.

The couple lived in conjugal harmony. But Shim and other family members had hard times as they cared for her for a long time. Medical expenses for the wife snowballed. As a result, debts increased. At the intensive care unit on May 5, Shim kept silent for a while, looking at his ailing wife. But he suddenly took out a knife. A son and other family members were beside the wife, but failed to prevent the husband from disconnecting the respirator. Before the incident, the husband had an argument with hospital officials. Shim told them that he will have his wife discharge from the hospital. But they objected to it.

A spokesman of the hospital recalled that in 2001, a doctor of the Boramae Hospital in Seoul discharged a patient, who allegedly had no chance of being revived, from the hospital. But the doctor was found guilty of assisting a murder. During questioning, Shim said he thought it was better for his wife to die comfortably than prolong her life artificially since there was no chance of revival. “This was my last gift for her.”

Police indicted the husband on charges of murder without detention in consideration of his old age. The incident is expected to reignite debate on the issue of death with dignity. In 2008, family members of a 76-year-old woman filed with the authorities a lawsuit, urging Yonsei University’s Severance Hospital to remove equipment to prolong her life from the woman who was in a vegetative state. The family won the lawsuit.


Source: koreatimes

Date: 2012-05-08 10:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unreal.livejournal.com
This is quite conflicting. On one hand I can see why he did it. She was suffering so much and changes where probably small you would have made it in the end. On the other hand you shouldn't just do it like that.

But reminds me of that american case of a woman who was fed through a tube in a hosital because she couldn't live normal anymore. Basicly their family didn't want her to die even through she was living as a plant.

Date: 2012-05-08 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lonelymoon.livejournal.com
I completely agree. There needs to be a legal line drawn for euthanasia to mark it from assisted murder. Everyone deserves a dignified death and these days it seems that the medical trend is to prolong life no matter what the cost and quality of life, if it can even be called such in the end stages of a terminal illness.

Date: 2012-05-08 10:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falling-empress.livejournal.com
In other news: rapists run rampant and Korea is busy charging a man with trying to end his wife's suffering.

Date: 2012-05-08 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nobodyelse-care.livejournal.com
Well, euthanasia IS a debatable subject. My father once taught me that life never belonged to you but it belonged to our Creator. Nobody have the rights to take (or end) someone's life with your own hands.

Personally though, I think any case of euthanasia is just as important as a rape case. One at a time, my father use to say.

Date: 2012-05-08 10:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falling-empress.livejournal.com
If I was dying, and wanted to be put out of my misery I would want to be able to fucking die. No one should be allowed to say you can't die, and I support suicide too. If someone wants to die, it's their choice.
If she was in a vegetative state, what life is left to enjoy? I'm assuming it would be like living in hell, except before death.

Date: 2012-05-08 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nobodyelse-care.livejournal.com
Well, that's where our beliefs contradict each other. (My faith forbids me to take my own life or others)

Date: 2012-05-08 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falling-empress.livejournal.com
My religion does too, but that doesn't stop me from being human and having my own beliefs.

Date: 2012-05-09 02:09 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-08 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nobodyelse-care.livejournal.com
I really can't say :/

Truth is, I only knew 2 or 3 atheists in my life.

Date: 2012-05-08 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pamuya.livejournal.com
This is not a case of euthanasia, though. She was being kept alive by a machine. It is my belief that the next of kin (or if there is a living will) should have the right to decide whether or not to keep someone on a ventilator or respirator if they cannot live without it and have no quality of life left.

They did not inject her with chemicals to end her pain. They took no extraordinary measures to end her life. Her husband cut the tube and let nature take its course. If she were to survive, she would have survived. The machine was holding her back from the God, in my eyes.

My family did not hesitate to turn off life support for my Grandpa when they said he was brain dead. He was not coming back to us. He would have just laid there for who knows how long because some machine was pumping air into his lungs. It was the humane thing to do, and what he had told us he wanted.

ETA: Well, it is considered passive euthanasia, but I have never heard any hospitals (in the USA, no idea about Korea or others) denying a DNR unless there is a familial conflict (Terry Schiavo).
Edited Date: 2012-05-08 11:32 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-08 11:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nobodyelse-care.livejournal.com
Everything you said is true. However, as a nurse myself, it would really help if the family member at least discuss the decision they wanted to make with the patient's health care givers such as doctors, specialists and of course, the nurses.

Seriously, I'd be pissed off if a family member just took the action with their own hands without consulting us first.

Date: 2012-05-08 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pamuya.livejournal.com
I agree with you. There should always be informed consent given and the pros and cons weighed before making this type of decision.

But in this man's case, it seems like he was not getting any help whatsoever, so I sympathize with him.

Date: 2012-05-08 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cettefemme90.livejournal.com
Surely if she's being kept alive only by a respirator (i.e. artificially), that's not our place either? If you believe that God gives and takes away, then isn't it a little debatable to keep someone alive through artificial means?

I'm agnostic by the way, but not trying to start anything. I genuinely want to know your thoughts on that part of the subject.

Date: 2012-05-08 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iamunchien.livejournal.com
ikr? surely that's interfering with god's plan~

Date: 2012-05-08 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nobodyelse-care.livejournal.com
To tell you the truth, I'm not knowledgeable on this subject but I'll try to explain it the best I can.

Basically, it's like this. My faith taught me the existence of life after death a.k.a heaven & hell. If my good actions in the living world is heavier than my sins, I'll go to heaven. If vice versa, I'll go to hell.

Unfortunately to me, my life is not mine. It's belongs to my master and creator, God Almighty. He gave me the responsibility to take care of it, meaning I'll have to protect it with any means necessary.

Deliberately endangering my life (in hope of death) is a sin, since it contradict the responsibility God gave me.

Letting someone else die without trying to help him is also a sin.

Taking my own life (suicide) or someone else's life (murder) is pretty much a one way ticket to hell, since it's one of the gravest sins of all.

Keeping someone alive through artificial means (because of an illness) is good because it means you're protecting that life God gave you. Disconnecting it, however, is a decision that must be agreed by health care professionals. Taking the action with your own hands counts as murder (in my eyes, at least).

Date: 2012-05-08 10:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nobodyelse-care.livejournal.com
Sh*t man, I hate hearing any news of any kind of euthanasia. Because while I strongly against mercy killing, at the same time, I can't help but feel sorry for the patient and their family. I mean, who would want to live as a vegetable? Damn, I don't think I can ever see someone I love, wearing a respirator, lying on bed with no cure for their illness. It's just... idk, cruel towards them?

I hope the man's wife rest in peace. I also pray that he & his family will stay strong with his wife's passing.

Date: 2012-05-08 10:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phililen3.livejournal.com
People can eat me for it but I don't think he should be charged and that doctor should not have been arrested. The person can't be revived but it is OK to let them suffer? No.

Date: 2012-05-08 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goldynchickie.livejournal.com
No, I agree.

Date: 2012-05-08 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kayleeny-weeny.livejournal.com
I completely understand why this man did what he did.

Date: 2012-05-08 11:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pamuya.livejournal.com
He should not be charged. This woman obviously had no quality of life and if it was her wish, she should have been able to die peacefully without her husband having to cut her respirator tube.

Date: 2012-05-08 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purring-feline.livejournal.com
Quite the sensitive subject.

In my humble opinion, she was suffering, living her life in a vegetative state, I see why he did it. Forgive me for sounding harsh, but if you look at it from another perspective, that mashine could be used to save another person. I am not trying to belittle anyone's life, just, thinking more cold as someone in the medicine field. I was under the impression that, for cases like this, the doctors ask the relatives what they would like to do.

Date: 2012-05-08 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fondle.livejournal.com
i can see why he did it and he probably had no bad intention (i say probably because i've been interested in the crime field for quite a few years now and there always are surprises) but the only way i can agree with euthanasia is if the person has given consent beforehand or in the worst case scenario, is brain dead and there are no chances of coming back and even this is tricky. why is that? because sick fucks can abuse this system very easy, i'm reminded of a case in austria, i believe, where two nurses used to induce older patients in a coma and then kill them (by drowning which would sometimes last like, an hour) saying it would be better for them. another case was when a male nurse was found to poison his patients with arsenic saying "he wanted to end their suffering earlier'. the thing is these people didn't want to end their suffering, they were sick fucks with an hero complex so that's why i think stressing consent in these types of cases is vital.

Date: 2012-05-08 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] secretchord.livejournal.com
mte. Euthanasia/right-to-die is by no means a cut-and-dry issue, and consent is absolutely key. But determining consent is itself a trick thing...

Date: 2012-05-08 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harisukaori.livejournal.com
This is a sensitive topic. I'm pro-euthanasia and I don't condemn his act but I can understand that many people have strong objections to it.

I wonder if it's possible in SK to fill a document (I don't know how to call it) where you state that you don't want to be artificially kept alive. This exists in my country but I don't know about other countries.

Date: 2012-05-08 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shineebambi.livejournal.com
ya i was wondering if they have living wills or not in sk. It makes the end of life decisions so much easier and straight forward

Date: 2012-05-08 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shineebambi.livejournal.com
end of life issues are generally such a catch 22. I know nothing about the korean legal system or if they have living wills that cover what happens to you in a unconscious or veggitative state and if she had a no kill one he had no right cute the tube like that.

If she didnt tho as her next of kin i really think while the way he choose to end her life was poor but i believe it was his decision to make. If it was clearly going to taker her life why make her suffer when you know what the end result will be? clearly he did it not out of malice but love and trying to honor her. I think if there is a proper channel to go through to end her life he should have but he was clearly distressed about his wifes state so it makes it more confusing what to do about it but i dont think he deserves to be charged with murder at all.

Date: 2012-05-08 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uledy.livejournal.com
This is such a hard issue to tackle. I can understand both people who are for and against euthanasia, but I often lean towards a more proactive legal solution. Who gets to decided who lives or dies? For what motivations? Under what conditions? Individuals who may or may not be aware of all of the facts? I'd rather not. There's too much room for abuse. I think, like with other illegal things such as prostitution and marijuana, regulation is one of the best ways to safeguard against abuse and protect the most vulnerable people involved. I think going through court, like the family mentioned in the story, is perhaps a better way to come to a decision. I think it helps to ensure that all the medical facts are present, it can help establish whether or not the patient indicated a preference, it takes into consideration other loved ones, and it can also help to safeguard against those seeking personal gain. At the same time, it's putting the lives of individuals in the hands of the government and that always puts a foul taste in my mouth...

I'd have to say though, if it were me, I may want such a legal process. If someone is going to pull the plug, I'd want to make sure it's the right person doing it for the right reasons with all the right information and doing it based on my wishes, not their own. I can't think of any other way to ensure this other than bringing it to court...

Date: 2012-05-08 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cettefemme90.livejournal.com
She was suffering and in a lot of pain...and she wasn't coming back. He shouldn't have been charged, in my opinion. It was NOT murder and it was evidently a tough decision for him to make.

That said, if they class it as murder, then poor him :/ maybe he'd have more of a case if they'd discussed it beforehand ('if there's no chance, take me off life support') and had it in writing, but even so, if they say euthanasia is murder, he doesn't stand much of a chance. Poor guy.

Date: 2012-05-08 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loverboy.livejournal.com
I would have done the same and I would have wanted someone to do the same to me, if I were ever in that condition.

Date: 2012-05-08 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] izabera.livejournal.com
I hope that money wasn't a factor in his decision and that he did this out of love for his wife and not because of the mounting medical bills.

Date: 2012-05-08 06:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kazu-kumaguro.livejournal.com
even if money is one of the motives, I still rather him not to be charged because imo if he is, he must also is thinking about his family (I don't think the responsible to clear the debt solely on him).

Date: 2012-05-08 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] izabera.livejournal.com
Yes I wish the nurse had never reported him to the police in the first place tbh
I guess he/she must have thought it was the right thing to do :(

Date: 2012-05-09 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talklikeazombie.livejournal.com
She was suffering for so long :'(

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