[identity profile] unreal.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] omonatheydid
Due to the ongoing strike, it has been confirmed that KBS’s Music Bank has been ordering the performing singers to prerecord their music to sound like a live performance.

An anonymous source affiliated with the music industry met with enews and revealed, “We received an order from the staff at Music Bank to record our music to be like a live performance.”

He further explained that the Music Bank staff was taking precautions, in case the audio team and other staff members are affected by the on-going strike.

From a glance, it may seem like a safety measure, but in the order to make artists prerecord their music to sound live, there is a small intention to trick the viewers. In the case that it becomes hard to operate normally due to the strike, the program is planning to trick the audience into thinking that it is a live broadcast.

It plans on playing the live broadcast-like AR (All Recorded, including the artists’ voices as well as the rest of the music) with the MR (Music Recorded, featuring just the instrumentals), to create a makeshift of a live broadcast.

In other words, it is an action that deceives viewers. Of course, other music related employees state, “Depending on the situation, the broadcast will run as usual without the special AR.”

Even so, due to the fact that the broadcast staff asked the singers for this kind of errand, it is hard to hide the bitterness.

Source: global mnet

Date: 2012-05-04 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nobodyelse-care.livejournal.com
If I were one of the audiences, I'd be pissed. What's the point of going to a live stage when no one sings live? Well, I really don't want to blame the artists for it...

Date: 2012-05-04 12:32 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-04 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pabu.livejournal.com
I don't know if fans have to pay for seats, but I would be pissed. As much as I adore my oppas, if I couldn't hear them live, I wouldn't even waste my money on going.

Date: 2012-05-04 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] g-aria.livejournal.com
They don't. music shows are generally a mix of lottery tickets and first come first serve.

Date: 2012-05-04 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pabu.livejournal.com
The more you know, lol.

Date: 2012-05-04 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] livesmiling.livejournal.com
zz nothing's gna be real anymore
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Date: 2012-05-04 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeeeean.livejournal.com
time for holograms to enter the korea entertainment industry.

Date: 2012-05-04 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsuyoi-hikari.livejournal.com
True, I remember when Arashi is doing it with their Troublemaker performance and I basically in awe since it looks like Sho is really there with them. :D
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Date: 2012-05-05 06:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsuyoi-hikari.livejournal.com
It's a pretty cool performance. BSB was there too at that time. :3

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=arashi%20troublemaker%20live&tnr=21&vid=4604003642376264&l=347&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D4604003642376264%26id%3D892343b485b6e3d04649985a204a9597%26bid%3Dd1bw3xEeS4LS7A%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.tudou.com%252fprograms%252fview%252f1Wgi-uIy-h0%252f&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tudou.com%2Fprograms%2Fview%2F1Wgi-uIy-h0%2F&sigr=11ftjpqpm&newfp=1&tit=100212+Arashi+Music+station+LIVE+%28%E6%90%96%E3%82%89%E3%81%9B+%E4%BB%8A%E3%82%92+Troublemaker%29

Sorry, I only found a low quality one on the net.

Date: 2012-05-05 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hannahime25.livejournal.com
I remember that! It was such a fun performance to watch lol

Date: 2012-05-04 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shintotchi.livejournal.com
Seriously? The intention is to trick? It clearly says the intention is to guard against audio engineers striking. If they keep doing it after the strike is over, THEN it's a problem. But with how things are gooing now it seems appropriate. I'd rather be an audience member watching lip synch then someone watching second hand embarrassment because the audio techs decided to leave.

Date: 2012-05-04 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hyde-my-dreams.livejournal.com
So in order to trick the audiences, they are writing an article telling everyone about what they are doing.

Also. I thought there was a big stink not that long ago which caused them to start forcing everyone to sing live. Or was that in Japan?

Date: 2012-05-04 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yasmine2009.livejournal.com
I don't know why people are complaining. Kpop idols have been lip syncing for years. They only just started singing live... Plus they aren't tricking anyone if everyone knows already.

Date: 2012-05-04 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deerlike.livejournal.com
This. It's not that big of a deal imo.

Date: 2012-05-04 08:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] krissasaur
this. it wasnt till about 2009 live became standard.

Date: 2012-05-04 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iyarheaa.livejournal.com
this didn't surprise me tbh. isn't the system in music bank goes like, artists-perform,only-fanclub-watches?

per se, Super Junior performs, only ELFs on that particular segment gets to watch then they'll only leave when they're done unless suju is nominated at the #1 spot
or idk, that's what i always knew all my life since i've been reading fanaccounts about EXO

Date: 2012-05-04 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] funkaliciousss.livejournal.com
omg what is that in your dp?! im so oddly fascinated by it. i like it. but i have this feeling that it's minho.....

and eh i don't remember music bank having this format but it's been 2 years since my last music show in korea so idk. what happened then was they had this online ticket balloting system and you get to watch everything if you' got a ticket.

Date: 2012-05-04 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iyarheaa.livejournal.com
lol yes it's minho. shinee is nothing more but a derp to me now tbh

well it confuses me too.///music bank///

Date: 2012-05-04 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitsujiga.livejournal.com
wow shit is going down there...
idk why tv wants to deceive viewers so much. i like the occasional happenings during live broadcasts (except bad singing ofc XD).

Date: 2012-05-04 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsuyoi-hikari.livejournal.com
Looks like the strike is pretty bad now since KBS has been affected as well.

Oh well, I hope it will not happen since U-KISS is pretty real bad at lip-syncing. The last time I watched them lip-sync, I cringed at most part esp the part where Soo Hyun has to do his high notes -- poor him. DX

Date: 2012-05-04 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] funkaliciousss.livejournal.com
im surprised. since i thought music bank is the least idol-y of the 3 main shows they would emphasis the singing aspect more.

maybe they are more concerned about the quality of the music so they want to make sure everyone sounds good instead of just taking a chance.

if you're looking at idols for amazing singing then you're obviously looking at the wrong place?

btw, I love how the korean media is working deception and bitterness into this whole sorry. like way to go at being dramatic as usual!!

Date: 2012-05-04 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noneko.livejournal.com
That's pretty normal. Even singers like Beyonce lip sync to pre-recorded live tracks sometimes.

Date: 2012-05-04 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oppa-did-meanit.livejournal.com
I don't understand why someone from the inside would even leak this. The backlash would effect your artist/company, wouldn't it? Why put your idols under a microscope when they don't need to be?

Not like this is a big deal, no one pays to watch these performances but it's not like netizens to be calm and collected about anything.

Date: 2012-05-04 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uledy.livejournal.com
So are the artists going to be lip-synching to the studio versions of their tracks or are they going to have to record themselves singing "live" (at KBS studios?) and then play that over the MR? (I was a little confused by the article)

Date: 2012-05-04 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mycorrhizoid.livejournal.com
I'm a bit confused too, but if they're worried about the audio engineers striking I'd think they'll be using the studio version. Prerecording themselves would require an audio team just like singing live would.

Although, if they're taking away the audio teams' work preemptively, I wonder what the audio teams are going to do in response . . .

Date: 2012-05-04 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uledy.livejournal.com
Ah, I see, that makes sense.

And you've got a point. It seems that by preemptively eliminating their work, KBS is pushing the audio team to strike. What better way to encourage dissent amongst workers than by taking away their work? By taking the first steps to protect themselves, it seems that KBS may be causing that which they fear...

Date: 2012-05-04 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturalhonee.livejournal.com
singers don't need music bank's audio team to create prerecorded live performances, they can do so in their companies' own studios.
a studio CD version of a song goes through a load of editing till all sounds blend perfectly into one, while the editing process for a prerecorded live track involves different things e.g. maybe adding more echo to give the impression that the singer sang the song inside a hall.

Date: 2012-05-04 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mycorrhizoid.livejournal.com
I don't know about that, it sounds like a lot of work for some of these companies that notoriously do as little work as possible

Especially considering that most companies seem to outsource parts of their production/mastering to the same outside company AND we know that most of the more popular idols' schedules are already packed full AND the studios aren't always available for use when there are other artists preparing for comebacks at any given time.

Although, I suppose if they only needed to make one, they might find the time.

Date: 2012-05-04 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturalhonee.livejournal.com
well i guess the end product would vary from company to company, based on how much or little they're willing to do. we will see when mubank starts using these prerecorded live tracks.
haha YG stan here, so im used to those lavish YG studios, and the few YG artists just chilling in them 24/7.

Date: 2012-05-04 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mycorrhizoid.livejournal.com
Oh, that makes sense. I'm closest to a SM stan, although I don't follow all of SM and I do follow various other nugus and older artists (Se7en and Epik High/Tablo included).

YG's studios are pretty awesome.

Date: 2012-05-04 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturalhonee.livejournal.com
no they won't be using studio versions... they'll use precorded LIVE tracks i.e. the singers will be lipsyncing, but it will still sound live to viewers because they'll play a "live" playback version of the song while the singers perform on stage.

if all the singers just used studio versions of their songs to perform i.e. very obvious lipsyncing, mubank wouldn't be accused of trying to deceive viewers.

Date: 2012-05-04 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uledy.livejournal.com
So where are these audio recordings suppose to take place? At the artists' company? At KBS? If it's at the artists' company, they're not going to provide MUBank with sub-par recordings so they might as well just use the studio version (since it'll sound closer to that anyway)...

This whole thing is so stupid and trivial, isn't it? Well, at least no one I care about is currently performing on shows....

Date: 2012-05-04 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturalhonee.livejournal.com
at their own companies' studios most probably.
and yeah, they would definitely try to perfect their recordings e.g. sing their parts over and over again till they sound their absolute best. but there is still a huge difference between using a studio CD version and a prerecorded live version. using the former makes the lipsyncing very obvious, while using a prerecorded live version doesn't. if you aren't paying that much attention to it, you'd still think everything was live as usual. most ppl can only tell that a singer is using a prerecorded live version when their "live" singing starts to sound exactly the same over several performances.

Date: 2012-05-04 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hisjulliet.livejournal.com
Why don't they just do holograms?

The singers aren't singing anyway.

Date: 2012-05-04 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnnyquest89.livejournal.com
the tech crew is striking though...

Date: 2012-05-04 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hisjulliet.livejournal.com
It was a joke...






guess I need to try harder

Date: 2012-05-04 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-erotomanic.livejournal.com
meh. my beef with idols lip syncing is that some of them are pretty bad at it. they make it so obvious.

and backtracks are basically recorded "live performances" if i'm not mistaken.

Date: 2012-05-04 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uledy.livejournal.com
*cough cough* hyuna *cough cough* top....

Date: 2012-05-04 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-erotomanic.livejournal.com
hyuna really isn't a good lip syncer. :o(

Date: 2012-05-04 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steelsigns.livejournal.com
oh I always thought backtracks were their studio recordings ... are they?

Date: 2012-05-04 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-erotomanic.livejournal.com
i think [livejournal.com profile] naturalhonee explains it best to his/her reply to [livejournal.com profile] uledy's comment.

but i think it also depends on the company if they want to invest more with backing tracks or not.

Date: 2012-05-04 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hileahrious.livejournal.com
They may as well cancel the show. I'm all for this strike, but having bogus performances doesn't help anyone really.

Date: 2012-05-04 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sadistic-dance.livejournal.com
Music Bank has been ordering the performing singers to prerecord their music to sound like a live performance.
I'm pretty sure they do that anyway.

Date: 2012-05-04 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goldenrosalie.livejournal.com
recent performances really sounded like pre-recorded live tracks and i was wondering if that's actually so or not. now i have my answer.

Date: 2012-05-06 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sweet16een.livejournal.com
This is nothing new I have been hearing about stuff like this for years

All singers do it some point

So, why is this a big deal not?

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