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The biggest pop culture event of the year is bound to be Lady Gaga’s concert at Jamsil Olympic Stadium on April 27. When Hyundai Card, the sponsor of the concert, succeeded in getting the singer to kick off her “The Born This Way Ball” tour in Seoul, it was praised for putting Korea on the pop culture map.

Tickets sold out fast, with the singer’s teen fans leading the way.

Buoyant anticipation turned to disappointment and rage when the Korea Media Rating Board decided late last month that no one under the age of 18 could attend the concert - even accompanied by an adult. The board, which is responsible for setting age limits on films and performances in Korea, said Lady Gaga’s songs were too provocative, especially “Just Dance,” a song about clubbing and drinking that has an over-18 rating by the Gender Equality Ministry’s Commission on Youth Protection.


Christian groups, including the Korean Association of Church Communications, were already complaining that Lady Gaga encourages homosexuality and satanic beliefs through her songs. The Korean Association of Church Communications, which represents almost 40 major churches, sent a request to Hyundai Card last month asking the company to cancel the show, or at least forbid minors.

Hyundai Card and the promotion company, Live Nation Korea, had no choice but to refund the tickets bought by people under 18. Korea is the only country in Asia to have put an age ban on Lady Gaga’s tour.

The ban touched off a backlash by fans, teens and cultural critics, who say the authorities at the very least have underestimated the intelligence of Korea’s youth - and at the worst have made the country look stupid. They pointed out that Lady Gaga has performed in Korea before, in 2009, and then anyone over age 12 could go.

“This age ban is an atrociously backwards decision by the rating board,” said Bae Soon-tak, a music columnist. “Does the board really think this kind of ban will protect our children? By censoring this show, the board is implying that Korea’s youth aren’t smart enough to even make their own choice about seeing a pop concert.”

“There are far more provocative things on the Internet and TV that are open for teenagers to see,” said Kim Sang-min, a high school student whose friends were forced to get refunds for tickets they bought. “The government just doesn’t get it!”

Lady Gaga sent out a tweet earlier this month diplomatically protesting the decision.

“Thank u to all the adults in Korea who are speaking out for underaged who want to come to the BTW Ball,” she wrote. “Maybe the gov. will change their mind. Although not affecting ticket sales in Seoul, parents should be given more credit to determine what’s good for their children. I love my fans.”

Give us a reason

Critics of the ban say the government never really explained why youngsters should be shielded from Lady Gaga and her songs, and in fact, government explanations have been contradictory.

“If they had the nerve to change the age limit just one month before the concert, when the tickets were already all sold out, why can’t they do the decent thing and inform the public why?” said Choi Bo-kyeong, an enraged Lady Gaga fan. “It’s like they [the ministry and rating board] are trying to push blame onto each other, fearing the public’s reaction.”

Unlike for films, live performances by foreign artists in Korea have a more automatic age rating system. Concert promoters are required to submit a “recommendation report” to the rating board including the age limit they deem appropriate. The board gives final approval to the promoters, normally automatically.

For “The Born This Way Ball,” Live Nation Korea submitted their recommendation report on March 16 saying the show was appropriate for people over the age of 12, according to the rating board. The board said it notified the company of the change of the age limit to 18 on March 22.

The board said one song from the concert’s set list, “Just Dance,” was the main reason for the age ban.

“In July 2011, the Ministry of Gender Equality and Family added the song ‘Just Dance’ on their list of ‘harmful content for youth,’” Ahn Chee-wan, an official at the ratings board, told the Korea JoongAng Daily. “Along with this song, we also looked at several music videos by the artist and decided that the content was too provocative for children under 18.”

The ministry’s Commission on Youth Protection is in charge of reviewing songs by local and foreign artists and deciding age limits for them. “Just Dance” was banned for children under 18 last year because its lyrics mention “drinking and other provocative behavior,” according to the commission.

There are around 4,200 songs on the commission’s list that are banned for children under 18, including 35 Lady Gaga songs, although some are remixes of the same song. They include “Poker Face,” “Bad Romance,” “Alejandro” and “Love Game.”

Various local media reported that the key reason for the rating board age limit for the Lady Gaga concert was the age limit set by the ministry for “Just Dance.”

Soon afterwards, the ministry released a statement that read, “The Korea Media Rating Board’s claim that the age rating for the Lady Gaga concert in Seoul was changed because the song ‘Just Dance’ is one of the songs that our ministry named as content harmful for youth is not true.”

“We [the Gender Equality Ministry] have nothing to do with this decision by the rating board regarding the change in age limit for the Lady Gaga concert,” an official at the ministry told the Korea JoongAng Daily. “I don’t know why the board is involving us in this matter.”

The ministry added that in similar cases, including Usher’s concert in 2010 and the Maroon 5 last May, the rating board approved the concerts for people over 12, despite the fact that both concert set lists included songs that were banned for teens under 18 years old.

Lady Gaga concert is the fourth foreign one to be banned for audiences under 18, following Marilyn Manson in 2005 and 50 Cent and Jay-Z in 2006.


“I have no idea what the rating board’s standards are for giving age bans,” added the ministry official.

Censorship debate turns into more

Despite numerous local media reports connecting the age limit to anti-Lady Gaga protests by conservative Christian groups and other civic organizations, the board adamantly denies it.

“The protests against Lady Gaga, including the formal letter we got from the Korean Association of Church Communications, had no influence on our decision concerning the Lady Gaga concert,” said Ahn, of the rating board.

Sim Man-sup, the managing director of the Korean Association of Church Communications, told the Korea JoongAng Daily that he feels the group’s efforts were recognized by the government and he’s proud of that.

“I think Hyundai Card, as part of one of the biggest conglomerates in Korea, has the responsibility to not only think about their profits but contributing something good for society,” said Sim.

“This Lady Gaga concert they organized, we feel, was too commercially-driven,” he said, “without the organizer thinking of the damage it would do to our children.”


Local media estimates that less than 1 percent of the tickets were purchased for people under 18. Hyundai Card and Live Nation Korea both declined to comment.

A Hyundai Card official said reluctantly, “The only thing I could say is that we feel disappointed that this happened, as we feel that Korea is as open, if not more, than other Asian countries about pop culture.”

Although some public figures spoke out against the anti-Lady Gaga furor, there are a sizable number of Koreans who take the other side.

“In recent years, there have been issues raised regarding the provocative content of K-pop and idol groups as well as some sensational and ridiculous dramas on TV,” said pop culture critic Ha Jae-keun. “I think the age ban on the Lady Gaga concert is appropriate for Korea at this time. Korean pop culture is very different from American pop culture and we must not think that we can catch up to American trends so fast. We need to go at our own pace.”

Some religious figures and parents have said Lady Gaga’s song “Judas” promotes satanic beliefs. Another controversial topic relates to Lady Gaga’s supposed promotion of homosexuality.

“Every country Lady Gaga performs in becomes more lenient towards homosexuality,” said Sim.

“Even in Korea, after she performed in 2009,” he said, “there were civil protests in support of the gay community in Korea. Homosexuality is not a normal sexual orientation. Lady Gaga is helping to spread the culture surrounding homosexuals and making it an issue.”

Lee Jong-geol, general director of Korean Gay Men’s Human Rights Group Chingusai, felt so strongly about the controversy that he spoke to the Korea JoongAng Daily even though he says he never speaks to anybody associated with Korea’s big-three conservative dailies.

Lee says his group is suing the board for their age ban on the film “Chingusai” and are awaiting a Supreme Court decision.

“The real problem is that the rating board keeps giving vague justifications for their bans on culture content,” Lee said. “The failure to explain to the public their decisions just shows that they are not a well-functioning group and are not following the rapidly changing pace of the Korean public and its astute awareness of international cultural trends.”

JUST DANCE!

I’ve had a little bit too much

All of the people start to rush (start to rush by)

A dizzy twister dance

Can’t find my drink or man

Where are my keys?

I lost my phone

What’s goin’ on, on the floor?

I love this record baby but I can’t see straight anymore keep it cool What’s the name of this club?

I can’t remember but its alright, a-alright

Chorus:

JUST DANCE!

Gonna be okay

Da da doo doot-n

JUST DANCE!

Spin that record babe

Da da doo doot-n

JUST DANCE!

Gonna be okay

D-d-d dance, dance, dance, just

J-J-JUST DANCE!


Wish I could shut my playboy mouth

How’d I turn my shirt inside out (inside out right)

Control your poison babe

Roses have thorns they say,

And we’re all getting’ hosed tonight!

What’s goin’ on, on the floor?

I love this record baby but I can’t see straight anymore keep it cool What’s the name of this club?

I can’t remember but its alright, a-alright

Chorus

When I come through on the dance floor checkin’ out that catalogue

Can’t believe my eyes so many women without a flaw

And I ain’t gonna give it up, steady trying to pick it up like a call

I’m a hit it up beat it up latch on to it until tomorrow yeah

Shorty I can see that you got so much energy

The way you twirlin’ up them hips round and round

And there is no reason that at all why you can’t leave here with me

In the mean time stay let me watch you break it down and


Chorus

Half psychotic sick hypnotic got my blueprint its symphonic

Half psychotic sick hypnotic got my blueprint electronic

Half psychotic sick hypnotic got my blueprint its symphonic

Half psychotic sick hypnotic got my blueprint electronic

Go! Your your muscle car-ve it out work it, hustle!

Don’t Slow! Drive it, clean it lysol, bleed it

Spend the last dough in your pocko!

Chorus

Source: koreajoongangdaily

Date: 2012-04-10 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neumi.livejournal.com
"it was praised for putting Korea on the pop culture map." LOLOLOLOLO WE ALL KNEW MOGEF WOULD F THIS UP. Well, it wasn't MOGEF, but still. Point made. Gaga would have gotten less hassle even in Malaysia probably!

Date: 2012-04-10 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honeebs.livejournal.com
Going to YT to listen to Just Dance, damn that was a fun song.
sad for them *shrugs

Date: 2012-04-10 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krispy-bacon.livejournal.com
“Even in Korea, after she performed in 2009,” he said, “there were civil protests in support of the gay community in Korea. Homosexuality is not a normal sexual orientation. Lady Gaga is helping to spread the culture surrounding homosexuals and making it an issue.”

e_____e More power to the Gaga.

Date: 2012-04-10 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] off-my-socks.livejournal.com
idk. i disagree with this type of censorship but i'm hot for limiting lady gaga's brand of shititude. dillemma!

Date: 2012-04-11 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] black-silver.livejournal.com
exactly this

also i love the word 'shititude' ty for that

Date: 2012-04-10 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purkin.livejournal.com
Government should not be able to regulate what they find "immoral" on behalf of all the citizens of an entire country. Decisions like those should be personal, not political. /twocents

Date: 2012-04-10 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] runandtelldat.livejournal.com
Some religious figures and parents have said Lady Gaga’s song “Judas” promotes satanic beliefs.

el-oh-el

Date: 2012-04-10 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mewoobur.livejournal.com
“Every country Lady Gaga performs in becomes more lenient towards homosexuality,” said Sim.

I LOL'D at this.

“Even in Korea, after she performed in 2009,” he said, “there were civil protests in support of the gay community in Korea. Homosexuality is not a normal sexual orientation. Lady Gaga is helping to spread the culture surrounding homosexuals and making it an issue.”

Then I started to feel sad because I can't fathom how some people think this way.

Date: 2012-04-10 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djlancerock.livejournal.com
“Every country Lady Gaga performs in becomes more lenient towards homosexuality,” said Sim.

THEN…let's have her perform in EVERY COUNTRY.

Date: 2012-04-10 10:23 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-04-10 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashiva.livejournal.com
TBH I'm not surprised they rated Gaga's concert 18 considering they sued GD for his solo concert.

Date: 2012-04-10 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asnindie.livejournal.com
So they don't want kids to either be okay with homosexuality or accept their own. You can't stop progress Korea, keep dragging your heels because it's only a matter of time before kids stop mentally abusing themselves and accept different types of sexuality.

Also Ministry of Magic strikes again.
Edited Date: 2012-04-10 09:42 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-04-10 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fiercediva.livejournal.com
They're upset because Just Dance mentions drinking in S. Korea? Where ajusshis get 'faced in front of people under 18 all the time?
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Date: 2012-04-10 10:24 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-04-10 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kanbinayume.livejournal.com
Half psychotic sick hypnotic got my blueprint its symphonic

Half psychotic sick hypnotic got my blueprint electronic

Half psychotic sick hypnotic got my blueprint its symphonic

Half psychotic sick hypnotic got my blueprint electronic

Go! Your your muscle car-ve it out work it, hustle!

Don’t Slow! Drive it, clean it lysol, bleed it

Spend the last dough in your pocko!


ROFL I had no idea these were the actual lyrics tbh

The Ministry of Magic needs to get its stuff together. This concert might be putting SK on the pop-culture map, but the debate is just provoking negative reactions from people of other countries.

Date: 2012-04-11 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiahjunsubias.livejournal.com
Sounds like an SM song lyric, tbh.

Date: 2012-04-10 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laeryn.livejournal.com
“Every country Lady Gaga performs in becomes more lenient towards homosexuality,” said Sim.

“Even in Korea, after she performed in 2009,” he said, “there were civil protests in support of the gay community in Korea. Homosexuality is not a normal sexual orientation. Lady Gaga is helping to spread the culture surrounding homosexuals and making it an issue.”


WHAT.

Date: 2012-04-10 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lightframes.livejournal.com
Lady Gaga sings a lot of songs about partying and drinking, and Just Dance is probably the least intense of all of them.

Date: 2012-04-10 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taecish.livejournal.com
korea ur so daft

Date: 2012-04-10 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiminikaeru.livejournal.com
why do i even like that country

Date: 2012-04-10 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k0dama.livejournal.com
mmh, this is the lady who was in like a panties and bra in her music video(s) right..

She's basically porn in Korea's standards.

Date: 2012-04-10 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djlancerock.livejournal.com
“Every country Lady Gaga performs in becomes more lenient towards homosexuality,” said Sim.

THEN…let's have her perform in EVERY COUNTRY.

Date: 2012-04-10 10:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] micksters.livejournal.com
A Hyundai Card official said reluctantly, “The only thing I could say is that we feel disappointed that this happened, as we feel that Korea is as open, if not more, than other Asian countries about pop culture.”

HAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH

Date: 2012-04-10 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideservestars.livejournal.com
what i don't get is why they put ratings on concerts. people pay to go to these events, it's not like they are open to the public. it's up to the parents of underage children to use discretion in these situations, not the government. if south korea wants to become some world power like they claim, they need to step off this ridiculous moral high horse they've created.

Date: 2012-04-10 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arsinoi.livejournal.com
“Every country Lady Gaga performs in becomes more lenient towards homosexuality,” said Sim.

I actually laughed out loud at this. It's by far the stupidest thing I have heard lately. I wish it were that easy though.

Tsk these bans make the situation worse in my opinion. Can't they regulate better instead of banning stuff left and right?
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Date: 2012-04-11 04:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dysphoriia.livejournal.com
taeyang http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AHGyY2gL5A

Date: 2012-04-12 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yeli16.livejournal.com
UNF taeyang.....

Thank you!

Date: 2012-04-11 11:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phililen3.livejournal.com
Proof that he is good in bed. The girl who lands him....

Date: 2012-04-11 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laceandskin.livejournal.com
Stop embarrassing yourself Korea.

Date: 2012-04-11 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cherrysakura16.livejournal.com
I can see why they would have an issue with Lady Gaga's concert. Her style of clothing is definitely an issue, and the song lyrics are those types about getting drunk and partying, but it should be up to the person themselves if they want to listen to it or not. . . The government should have no right in banning it for people under 18 . . . If they don't like Lady Gaga then just DON'T GO to the concert! Don't make everyone else who loves her be banned because of your uncomfortable feelings

Date: 2012-04-11 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 691979082.livejournal.com
This system is so corrupt. Trying to say its not for certain people's personal gain and bullying of companies is pure bullshit. What gets banned and doesn't comes across as so damn random, there's no way it's purely for the sake of the ~poor innocent children. Yeah, right.

Date: 2012-04-11 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvey.livejournal.com
And this is from a country that promotes social drinking, to the point where it is serious peer pressure.
Take a look at inward influence, not lady gaga.

Date: 2012-04-11 11:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phililen3.livejournal.com
Do they censor alcohol ads there? Just a question.
And to judge by the MVs is ridic. If they did that with all artists wanting to perform then there would be waaaaay fewer concerts in SK.
I still don't get how Judas is satanic. To me it is all metaphor for loving the wrong person. Maybe I need to get my ears checked to get what everyone is crying about.

“I think Hyundai Card, as part of one of the biggest conglomerates in Korea, has the responsibility to not only think about their profits but contributing something good for society,” said Sim.
“This Lady Gaga concert they organized, we feel, was too commercially-driven,” he said, “without the organizer thinking of the damage it would do to our children.”

You mean it should be in line with your conservative "Christian values".

“Every country Lady Gaga performs in becomes more lenient towards homosexuality,” said Sim.
Then she has a lot more touring to do IMO.
We have same sex marriage in my country since 2005 and GAGA has never been here to my knowledge, so what does that say about us?

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