response to suju and soshi on la la la

[hoyah.livejournal.com]

There have been many opinons on the appearance of Super Junior and SNSD on MBC's 'Music Trip Lalala,' especially on their homepage bulletin board.

On the 25th, Super Junior and SNSD appeared on 'Lalala,' following the theme of 'Sounds Like Teen Spirit.' From Super Junior, Leeteuk, Kangin, Yesung, Sungmin, Donghae, Ryeowook, and Kyuhyun performed, and from SNSD, Taeyeon, Jessica, Tiffany, Sunny, and Seohyun. The two groups sang each other's hit songs such as 'Sorry Sorry' and 'Gee' in a different style.

The problem is that the fans of 'Lalala' are becoming disappointed in the program. So far, 'Lalala' had a concept of having the best quality music, with singers like Lee Seungyul, Lee Janghyuk, Black Skirt, and more skilled musicians who aren't widely known. As a program that is broadcasted at a late hour, it is true that it's free from the competition of viewers' rates.

However on the 25th, Super Junior and SNSD appeared together as idol groups from the same company. Technically, idol singers are put into the category of musicians, but compared to the quality of their music, their commerciality is more considered and emphasized. On the 18th, singer Son Dambi appeared, but Shin Munhee, Jiteun, and Ran appeared also, keeping a balance in the commerciality.

That is why on 'Lalala's internet bulliten board, there are many voices speaking up. Many opinions such as "Lalala has given up" and "Will Lalala break down like this" are on the bulliten board. However, there are other remarks opposing them, saying, "A skilled idol group's appearance" and "Let's break the stereotype of idol groups."

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translation by daisy kim @ soshified

Seeing as SJ and SoShi brought along only their more solid singers, I don't know what people are complaining about. More proof idol groups aren't only looks.

Comments

[siouxsies.livejournal.com]

Ah I guess you can't make everyone happy. Well I enjoyed most of them and I'm sure others did too...

[a-ma.livejournal.com]

Whut. My bias aside, I thought they were pretty amazing, so I don't get the complaints either.

[prototypic.livejournal.com]

Seeing as SJ and SoShi brought along only their more solid singers, I don't know what people are complaining about. More proof idol groups aren't only looks.

iawtc.

'like a falling star' had awesome vocal qualities, among many others they sang.

[crisketch.livejournal.com]

(Y) Iltvxqsfm. Most talented idol group imo :B /bias

But anyway, I was pretty impressed by Suju/SNSD's vocals on Lalala

[telrunyaaa.livejournal.com]

I loved SJ so much on 'lalala' ! <33

[cakedomination.livejournal.com]

iawtc. They shouldn't stereotype idol groups.

[thenylonkid.livejournal.com]

I agree with the disappointed fans. Esp. with "more skilled musicians who aren't widely known" part.

[star-riku.livejournal.com]

But really, is it going to corrupt the whole show? Choosing to put idol groups on the program opened up the show to a whole new audience, therefore exposing the new viewers to the more skilled musicians who aren't widely known.

Not saying the viewers became fans of the new musicians overnight, but exposure is exposure I suppose.

[robotiques.livejournal.com]

The stereotypes thrown at idol groups is rather sad.

I thought both groups did extremely well. :3

[jia-zhang.livejournal.com]

It's not sad, it is true. It can take years for them to gain artistry, or even at all. Moreover, there is a difference from singing and artistry and musicality. Like, Donghae (♥), Taeyeon and etc. can all sing very well, but still lack the power and bravado of true musicians; moreover, they do not compose their own songs.

True musicians are about growth (and by growth I mean evolution and revolution), none of which such "idol" singers possess. (Yet. For we never know how the future will go and how people will change. Like Japan has made DBSK come along way as "artists", but they are still not there yet.)

[miduhyo.livejournal.com]

also considering that snsd/suju apparently brought in the highest ratings this show has had in a while, i have difficulty reading this as anything other than close-minded elitists whining about nothing.

[siouxsies.livejournal.com]

Yeah I think this is the case... sad.

[boredkitty.livejournal.com]

*sigh* there's always a problem in everything.

They are pretty talented way beyond the stereotype, people just need to chill jeez. They ruled on "Lalala".

[smilingsounds.livejournal.com]

I liked it, they sounded amazing.

[loverboy.livejournal.com]

idk. If I watched a show to get away from idol groups, I'd be annoyed too if they were suddenly on said show.

[hoyah.livejournal.com]

it's one thing to comment on that, another to insist these idol stars are less capable as musicians because of their idol status.

[gogoparty.livejournal.com]

Jiteun,
lolwhut
it's zitten.... /picky


Idk, I thought they were good :l

Music snobbery is universal.

[proleptical.livejournal.com]

I'm shocked.

[sya-fhya.livejournal.com]

lol and to think the ratings for the show went up to 3.2% from the usual 1-2% thanks to these 'idols'.

KRY + Donghae and SNSD should just go ~indie~

[proleptical.livejournal.com]

Kyuhyun, Yesung, and Ryeowook need to form their own indie band. I mean, yeah, SuJu KRY... but drop the SuJu and avoid showering for weeks, grow beards, and come back with a guitar only and some random spoons to create obscure sound effects and release an album. Donghae can be a guest on their album. I bet those music snob would not mind them if they listened to them sing without knowing they are from an idol group.

Same with SNSD but they are too easy recognizable so they should do a Gorillaz kinda thing so their identities won't be revealed.

Re: KRY + Donghae and SNSD should just go ~indie~

[whatdesuyo.livejournal.com]

LOL BUT THIS.

[whatdesuyo.livejournal.com]

Not surprised. Since it's supposedly a music program for indie music, bringing in commercial idols kind of wrecks the whole indie thing, imo.

[hoyah.livejournal.com]

it says musicians not widely known, not necessarily indie. also it seems the only real concept it has is best quality - i thought snsd and suju showed some pretty damn good quality here

[jia-zhang.livejournal.com]

I get their complaints. I mean, like if KAT-TUN ever went on a good music program like "Bokura no Ongaku", I'd flip out, too. There is a distinction between true musicality and commerciality, and no matter how much you try, certain groups/singers will never reach that level of musical and artistic excellence, and despite having capable singers, SJ and SNSD are both far, far, far from that level of artistry. It's like putting Miley Cyrus and Ani Difranco on the same stage.

[evange-lynne.livejournal.com]

I totally agree with you ^^

[spidersky.livejournal.com]

The youtube link at the end doesn't work anymore. :(

[hoyah.livejournal.com]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUtq5E0NO5k

not the same one, but it'll have to do

[mustenentwined3.livejournal.com]

Even though I personally thought SJ and SoShi were amazing, I can see where the disappointed Lalala fans are coming from. If the show is known to do a certain genre (indie, I'm presuming from some of the comments above) and 'idol groups' suddenly start appearing, I think it's reason for disappointment. I'm a classical music geek, and I watch the performances Channel 13 broadcasts; tbh I think I'd be pretty ticked off too if they suddenly started showing Miley Cyrus or the Jonas Brothers.

As for the comments that sort of degrade the idols' musicality, I think it's really just a matter of taste. There might be people out there who think Miley Cyrus is the best singer ever, and I would digress. You can't really control what voices or type of music people prefer, so. /shrug

[hoyah.livejournal.com]

xD second person to bring up miley cyrus and jonas brothers. i think that's kind of an unfair comparison, though. miley cyrus is no taeyeon. she's not even a sunny, imo.

and i don't think the question is music style (they even did much less pop-ish versions of gee and sorry sorry) but, in the end, idols. and that response is unfair, because it insists idols aren't capable of making real music. and from what i saw, that's not really the case.

i think if they had said simply "we watch this show to get away from idols and we don't like that there are idols on it now" i would kind of understand. but the attempt at an argument that doesn't make them seem like musical elitists is what's frustrating

indier than thou.

[proleptical.livejournal.com]

True story, I was a massive music snob until the power of K-Pop lured me out of my too-cool-for-you-one-member-only-club. Honestly, if I had met myself about two year ago, I would've hated myself so much LOL Now I've got my "snobby" music on the same playlists as SuJu, SHINEE, and SNSD and guess what? It feels very damn right.

Re: indier than thou.

[notpossimpible.livejournal.com]

Same thing for me. I knew of Suju for a while, but I got hooked ever since SHINee made their debut.

[sya-fhya.livejournal.com]

so apparently if you check the LaLaLa bulleting board there are way more people complementing super generation and only few of bad comments. but basing on these "few" bad comments the reporter is making it seems like most of the viewers are complaining about LaLaLa.
& several of those bad comments are from SM-antis or what they call themselves "SMdisappear" lol how cute.

[hoyah.livejournal.com]

ooooh so it's a personal thing

[thenylonkid.livejournal.com]

Let's all agree to disagree!

[hoyah.livejournal.com]

xD we can do that and still carry on civil debates, can't we?

[-ochre.livejournal.com]

What the hell? If they're good, they're good. Music and singing knows no boundaries. IDC if you're an indie singer - if you suck, you suck, gtfo any show.

[hoyah.livejournal.com]

xD lol i love how heated this response is

[hoyah.livejournal.com]

i understand where the stereotypes come from, but i don't believe in limiting yourself to them

kry are an idol band, too