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In many ways, the Hallyu phenomenon in America is deeply rooted in financial and economic matters. While the Hallyu effect throughout Asia has come to hold both economic and social implications, the spread of Korean culture in America is not magnanimous enough to affect  American social values. Currently, K-pop’s biggest strides into the American market are largely focused on economics and business: the Wonder Girls are collabing with Nick Cannon, one of the biggest names in tween entertainment, and SNSD was signed onto Interscope Records, one of America’s largest music labels. Of course, many acknowledge that the idea of having Asian entertainers in an entertainment market saturated with non-Asians is interesting, at best. But largely speaking, it’s far from being a principal concern.

However, one cannot deny that there’s something quite staggering about the idea of Asian entertainers taking such a brazen approach to the American entertainment market. For years, Asian-American entertainers have struggled to break into an entertainment scene that has proven itself to be prejudiced towards racial minorities, particularly Asians. Currently, many Asian-American entertainers have taken to social media platforms such as Youtube to show off their craft. But despite the flood of Asian-American “celebs” on Youtube, racial imbalance and prejudice in American entertainment still make themselves known.



These prejudices are all the more highlighted when looking at America’s current pop music scene. And yes, while Far East Movement made a huge splash on the American pop scene with “Like A G6” last year, not a lot of strides towards Asian-American acceptance in the music industry have been made since then. While many Americans now admit (some begrudgingly) that Asians can rap, what about the Asians who can sing and dance and work a stage just as well as Beyonce or Lady Gaga? For many Americans, the idea of an Asian Beyonce is nearly unthinkable. Despite the progress made by Asian-Americans who have found success in the entertainment industry, the American perception of Asians on the pop scene is still very skewed, and by relation, the negative stereotypes of Asians within American society continue to persist.

K-pop is an unlikely solution to this problem, and one that would be almost inconceivable several years ago. But as the musical aesthetic of K-pop begins to resemble American pop more and more, the idea of K-pop being “American-pop-with-Korean-lyrics” is becoming a less bizarre idea. Granted, there’s a visual component about K-pop that is unique to itself, and it’s obvious American pop has long graduated from the boyband trend to which K-pop seems to still be so attached. But apart from structural and promotional differences, the gap in musical aesthetics between American pop and Korean pop is shrinking. The only notable difference? Korean pop is performed by a cast of all-Asian faces.

For many Asian-American pop star hopefuls, debuting as a K-pop singer might mean more than having the chance to stand on a stage in front of thousands of adoring fans. In a sense, K-pop has become one of the few opportunities for Asian-Americans to have a fair shot at achieving stardom. The presence of “global auditions” in America and Canada have helped to bring the dream one step closer for many Asian-Americans. And while many non-Asian fans bemoan the so-called “prejudice” of having a preference for Asian-American auditionees, one must consider that, for many Asian-Americans, the Western entertainment world has become prejudicially off-limits, and that these global auditions may be their sole path to stardom.

In light of SNSD’s upcoming appearance on The David Letterman Show and Live with Kelly, it’s interesting to note that Korean-American members Jessica and Tiffany are finally making their mainstream American “debut,” albeit in a remarkably roundabout manner. What is even more interesting is the fact that Tiffany was initially discovered when she auditioned for Kollaboration back in 2004. Kollaboration is an annual talent show that is held in several cities throughout America, and serves to showcase Asian-American talent in light of the lack of an Asian presence in the American entertainment scene. In many ways, Kollaboration is a political statement, and the fact that Tiffany was discovered via Kollaboration and is now making an American debut through K-pop is very interesting. On more than one occasion, Tiffany has said that her ultimate dream is to return to America and sing on an American stage. At the surface, SNSD’s American debut seems to bring Tiffany a big step closer to that dream. But now that Tiffany’s achieved K-pop stardom, does that actually block off any real opportunity for her to become an American star as well?

While the musical aesthetics of K-pop and American pop are similar, the two nonetheless exist as separate entities. This particularly pertains to America, home to a culture that has somehow grown to ostracize and reject anything deemed as “foreign.” It’s an unlikely response, considering America’s reputation as being the world’s “melting pot,” but just take a look at the infamous “Kids React to K-pop” video and you’ve got a pretty good explanation. It seems to me that many Americans instinctually regard Asian pop acts as a cheap “knock-off” of a non-Asian, popular American pop act. How many times has 2NE1 been regarded as the Asian Lady Gaga? Taeyang as the Asian Chris Brown? SHINee as a troupe of Asian Justin Biebers? Why must Asian pop artists almost always be contextualized by a non-Asian look-a-like, and why are they almost always seen as being somewhat inferior to the so-called “original”? There is a good reason why K-pop won’t make it in America, and it lies in the fact that the American view of anything “foreign” is still one laced with negativity and judgment.



So is K-pop a good thing for Asian-America? Not really — K-pop has the potential to unintentionally create new stereotypes about Asians, while doing nothing to create greater dimensionality and exposure for the Asian-American music community
. But for Asian-Americans whose only aspirations are manifested in the dream of holding a mic and standing on a stage and have nothing to do with the goal of giving Asian-Americans a louder voice in the American pop scene, K-pop holds a world of opportunity. It’s somewhat sad that the only way in which Asian-Americans can have a fair shot at being a pop artist is available only outside of America. As an Asian-American myself with an invested interest in both domestic and international pop music scenes, I feel somewhat conflicted about the relationship between Asian-America and K-pop. While I wish that the flashyness and shine of K-pop would help to break negative stereotypes about Asian-Americans, the chances of this actually happening (or rather, not backfiring) are nonetheless slim.

I kindda like this author from Seoulbeats. She also wrote the article about "special treatment" and she is really doing a better job than most seoulbeats authors.

Source: seoulbeats

Date: 2012-01-28 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 4minutesluts.livejournal.com
that paragraph about tiffany is kinda sad

Date: 2012-01-28 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caramelorchoco.livejournal.com
well written article and so true tbh

Date: 2012-01-28 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drfaith101.livejournal.com
Good points

Date: 2012-01-28 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] funkaliciousss.livejournal.com
O wow! Didn't know that about Tiffany!

And this was an interesting read, one of the better opinion articles ever posted here.

Date: 2012-01-28 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edanz-castle.livejournal.com
Why must Asian pop artists almost always be contextualized by a non-Asian look-a-like, and why are they almost always seen as being somewhat inferior to the so-called “original”? There is a good reason why K-pop won’t make it in America, and it lies in the fact that the American view of anything “foreign” is still one laced with negativity and judgment.

I agree about what the author said about them being compared to another artist. And of course anything foreign won't be accepted into America because number one, you have to know how to speak English. Anything non-English do you think they are going to take the time to listen? And if K-Pop makes it into America, it won't be Korean Pop Music. It will be just Pop music. That's just the way it is.
Edited Date: 2012-01-28 04:35 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-01-28 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geonitacka.livejournal.com
Perpetual foreigner.

Date: 2012-01-28 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lightframes.livejournal.com
Speaking English fluently would definitely help.

And if K-Pop makes it into America, it won't be Korean Pop Music. It will be just Pop music. That's just the way it is.

Do you mean the sound of the music would change?

Date: 2012-01-29 02:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edanz-castle.livejournal.com
The sound wouldn't change too much because some of the music influenced in k-pop is from american pop. And if their singing in English, that is not k-pop. That is just pop.

Date: 2012-01-29 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mecha-danger.livejournal.com
Completely agree. Nicki Minaj was called the "black Lady Gaga" before she really made an impression on America as an individual performer, but because of the relative foreignness of Asians (yes, even Asian Americans) it will be MUCH harder for this to work.

Date: 2012-01-28 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lightframes.livejournal.com
Even if it doesn't happen right now, it's going to happen eventually. The U.S. can't stay this closed forever. Someone is going to break through in a big way and it's going to be awesome.

Date: 2012-01-28 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deeinanutshell.livejournal.com
ia! //incurableoptimist

Date: 2012-01-29 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mecha-danger.livejournal.com
Completely agree. And I can't wait for it to happen.
I know there are already plenty of pockets in the U.S. where there are a lot of Asian-Americans and for the non-Asians, being surrounded by that culture leads to an embrace of not just food and people and language, but popular culture as well. Hell, they played K-pop in the halls at my high school sometimes and no one thought it was weird. I'm nervous for the inevitable backlash from some groups but I think a multicultural attitude will prevail.

Date: 2012-01-29 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lightframes.livejournal.com
I definitely think it'll be easier with younger people. When I told my friends I was flying across the country to see SMTown, they were just like "cool, take some good pictures." People in their teens and 20s are the ones listening to most pop anyway, so if we're already comfortable with the existence of cultures besides our own, it shouldn't be a stretch to listen to music created by Asians or Asian Americans.

Yeah, backlash will be impossible to avoid, but I look forward to pointing out to people saying "BUT THEY ARE ASIAN AND DIFFERENT FROM ME!!!" how stupid and racist they are.

Date: 2012-01-28 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geonitacka.livejournal.com
AMEN AMEN AMEN.

Stole the words from me. lol

Date: 2012-01-28 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] modestgoddess79.livejournal.com
since when is Taeyang compared to Chris Brown? Early on he was compared to Omarion and Wedding Dress got Neyo comparisons. I know they tried to compare Rain to Justin Timberlake and he looked at them like they were crazy. And yes that part about the racism against Asian Americans is true.
Edited Date: 2012-01-28 06:05 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-01-28 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lightframes.livejournal.com
Haha, who looked at them like they were crazy, Rain or Justin Timberlake?

Date: 2012-01-28 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] modestgoddess79.livejournal.com
Rain, it was when he was promoting Ninja Assassin. Rain usually name drops Usher or Michael Jackson. JT just is not on his radar.

Date: 2012-01-29 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lightframes.livejournal.com
I like Rain more than Justin Timberlake anyway. I told my friend I didn't think JT was cute and she was like "do you just not like white guys?!" I like white guys, just not him, lol

Date: 2012-01-29 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] modestgoddess79.livejournal.com
I used to think JT was cute but I got over it.

Date: 2012-01-28 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deeinanutshell.livejournal.com
Taeyang is just always compared to any black american R&B singer who can dance + Ne-Yo

Date: 2012-01-29 06:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blabby-lwy.livejournal.com
dude, taeyang's voice is basically chris brown's voice but in korean

Date: 2012-01-29 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fate-otaku.livejournal.com
....I never noticed that. Maybe it's because I stopped listening to CB a long time ago. Must. compare!!!!

Date: 2012-01-28 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akaich0u.livejournal.com
Wow, this melodramatic pile of ramblings manages to be both self-important and self-deprecating at the same time. Impressive.

Look, I'm Asian-American too. While I'm realistic about Kpop's prospects in the US (that is, will be an uphill battle), I firmly believe that planning, marketing and execution far outweigh the seemingly necessary pessism that the writer associates with being "different". If you're going to look at everything hoping to victimize yourself, you're gonna get nowhere. People want to compare you to a very famous, established artist? Ok, let them. They'll keep paying attention to you and eventually see you have your own unique musical stylings. The idea of an Asian Beyonce is inconceivable? Prove them wrong.

It's this kind of riffraff that holds artists back more than anything. I'm sure those serious about their craft are well aware of the challenges they'll have to face. Rather than just disparage an industry and offer no solution, we need to stress tenacity and--yes, optimism. Take everything in stride, plan carefully, start small. Asians jn American pop? I don't see why not.

Date: 2012-01-28 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lightframes.livejournal.com
I'm not Asian American, so let me know if I'm wrong. But I didn't read the article as "we can't succeed because of this." I thought it was more like "successful or not, these are the difficulties we have to face."

Date: 2012-01-28 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akaich0u.livejournal.com
I didn't read it like that. It's more like an expose of what the writer believes is wrong with a particular industry and is like "lol yeah, good luck guys". Particularly the emphasis on how Tiffany needs to go somewhere else and then debut through that avenue in order to set foot on a US stage. Like, why is that considered the only possibility? Had she associated with someone besides Kollaboration, isn't there the chance she could've been US-based from the start?

I just feel like I've read too many of these articles. Why is no one writing one on the progress that HAS happened and then examined the reasons for it? Or be more forward-looking and explore the potential between Kpop and tween markets? That kind of thing.

Date: 2012-01-28 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cagallisakura.livejournal.com
Better than that last seoulbeats article that was posted.

I think if Tiffany had debuted in America, she wouldn't have made it. She would just have been lost in the sea of other American artists. She's my bias but she doesn't have what it takes to be a star by herself. Girls' Generation was the right step for her cuz I mean, look at where they are right now.

Date: 2012-01-28 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taylorniw.livejournal.com
I think for Asians to be accepted into mainstream media, they need to work their way up and assimilate their culture into the masses through the people the way other races have done (and I don't care if anyone thinks this is racist, but tbh I see Asians assimilating with other races far less often than everyone else. They mostly stick together and that is part of the problem). Hoping for that one celebrity that will make it big is more like working their way down.
Edited Date: 2012-01-28 07:25 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-01-29 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mecha-danger.livejournal.com
Hm, I think that there needs to be a balance between assimilation (like working on English skills, knowing the American market) and playing up cultural differences (though not in a way that promotes ignorance, more in a way that makes people take notice)

Date: 2012-01-28 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuki-yang.livejournal.com
i'm japanese american...right now, I might be working in Asia but..I still associate asian culture with "fobby-ness"
I welcome all asian culture...in Asia.
But, in USA....I can't stand fobby...like it's..ahhh...like the weird cute-sy crap...and girl group...peace signs(!!!!)....STAY AWAY.

I don't think America is interested in having an Asian star anyway...especially with those fobby engrish accents -_-

Date: 2012-01-29 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mecha-danger.livejournal.com
lol brutally honest but kinda true... But even as a kind of American-oriented K-pop fan (like, I view things from an American perspective while still understanding cultural differences) I think that slight Korean accents are extremely sexy and have the potential to become the next hot foreign accent. But hey, that might just be me. x)

Date: 2012-01-29 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lightframes.livejournal.com
It's not just you. You're right, there's nothing inherently non-sexy about someone speaking English with a Korean accent. Honestly this is the thing that bothers me when non-Asians (not [profile] yuki_yang, who is Japanese American) complain about accents from Asian countries. In the U.S., if someone has a French or Australian accent it's automatically sexy. But someone has a Japanese or Chinese accent and suddenly everybody thinks it's annoying and something to laugh at? Get out of here with that nonsense.
Edited Date: 2012-01-29 03:35 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-01-29 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hellicoptajuuce.livejournal.com
i think for kpop to be successful the asian look has to be...sexualized. Honestly sex sells big in western countries in my opinion and when i introduced kpop to my friends they were like "wtf is this fagass shit" but then BAM showed them stripping and shit and them bitches were hooked and then their interest in their music and culture came. So in a way, the asian look has to be modified and changed into something relatible and not something foreign or just damn right boring. I can go on for ages but i really cbf

YUL KWON MOTHERFUCKERS
INTELLIGENT, SEXSHII, MUSCULAR AND NON-STEREOTYPICAL ASIAN. made the list for sexiest man thingymajig
Image (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/444/yulkwon.jpg/)

so all im tryna say is the view of asians need to be brought back to reality and not stereotyped
Image (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/johncho5601.jpg/)

Keni styles T_T Britian-born Thai pornstar OMFG THAT ACCENT AND THAT COCK UNFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Image (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/tumblrlkc5wzvwsf1qfvbma.jpg/)

Date: 2012-01-30 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hellicoptajuuce.livejournal.com
great taste bb

Date: 2012-01-29 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falling-empress.livejournal.com
kpop would do well in america if they brought acts over that people in america would actually LIKE. no one in america (YES I AM GENERALIZING, NO I AM NOT ACTUALLY SERIOUS) likes things like wonder girls and SNSD anymore...we're past the spice girls era. the artists on YG are more likely to fly in america with their swagger acts--not the vomitrocious girly bubbly pop that SNSD does.

i just don't understand why they aren't pursuing groups that actually have potential here. SNSD will always be infinitely more popular in places like japan or china that appreciate cutesy music.

Date: 2012-01-29 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talesy.livejournal.com
SNSD isn't trying to debut in the US with a cute concept tho.

Date: 2012-01-29 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k4shia.livejournal.com
Same goes for Asian-Europe. Sometimes I feel ashamed of being considered 'white' before 'human'. It's sad that colour makes such a difference. Being 'white' doesn't make you a better human. idek how 'whites' came up with something like that. Our DNA is what makes us humans, slight change would make you a chimp. Be grateful^^

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