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In keeping with their moves toward global domination, 2NE1 is performing in Times Square today along with the other three MTV Iggy Best New Band finalists.

If this part of their launch is successful, they will be better positioned to make a dent in the US pop music market where many other popular Asian artists have failed before. Despite having huge fan bases overseas, artists that make their debuts in the US have generally been faced with lukewarm receptions. BoA’s self-titled English language release dropped in 2009 and barely dented the charts. Hikaru Utada (who to be fair, spent as much time in NYC as Japan coming up) attempted to make a genre-crossing album with 2004′s Exodus, which spawned a #1 single on the dance charts, but absolutely no impression elsewhere despite her work with hip-hop heavy weights like Darkchild and Foxy Brown. Utada’s 2009 English release This Is The One was designated a heat seeker with almost no radio airplay – but still only sold around 15,000 copies stateside. The Wonder Girls are still struggling to stay in the limelight after entering the charts with “Nobody” in 2009 but still trends fairly low. Se7en and Rain’s attempts never really got off the ground.

After watching good artists try and fail to make it in the US market, I began trying to find a pattern. Why was this happening? The reasons vary – particularly because artists often use their entry to the US as a kind of reinvention, which can be risky – but a big component is that American marketers/listeners had no idea what to do with them.

But, luckily for 2NE1, they have a secret weapon: Nicki Minaj.

It may seem strange to look at Nicki Minaj as the the person who put a crack in the Billboard ceiling big enough for 2NE1 to break through to the top spot, but it is her inherent strangeness and genrelessness that is opening the door for other women artists to bend the rules.

Both Minaj and 2NE1 are barrier breakers, crossing into pop music but bringing the swagger of rock and hip hop. For Minaj, she’s dominated the pop charts with rap ballads like “Super Bass,” and lent honeyed vocals and verses on Lil’ Wayne’s “Knockout”. 2NE1 is far, far more aggressive in appearance than more traditional pop groups like The Wonder Girls, which could have been a liability. But here too, Minaj’s eclectic fashion sense wins the day, as she’s appeared in everything from fetish gear to rococo swag:



Both Minaj and 2NE1 are also combatting societal scripts about what women of color can be. While Minaj occupies a space defined by feminist contradictions, she still actively defies the proper “place” for a black woman in the broader pop music space. Considering the limited spaces where black women are allowed to appear, it’s remarkable how Minaj has carved out a space for herself in both urban markets and the fashion industry. 2NE1 is facing off against stereotypes around Asian American women – particularly the submissive stereotypes that would push them out of the more aggressive sides of the pop and hip-hop scenes. Think about it – it was hard enough for Jin, an Asian American rapper that proved himself time and time again freestyling on 106 and Park, to get taken seriously in the US market even when signed to the Rough Ryders label. And despite putting in tons of work on the West Coast underground scene, there was no place on the airwaves for Far East Movement – until they completely overhauled their sound and image, sailing up the the charts with more simplistic rhymes and dance-oriented beats. Asian women have an even harder climb – the roles are even more constrained by race and gender expectations. Since I don’t follow folk and indie rock, I can’t comment on Thao Ngyuen’s presentation. But here’s 2NE1 – and they don’t fit anything that’s currently a path to radio airplay. And they for DAMN sure don’t fit the existing Asian stereotypes – I don’t see them getting a show on Cartoon Network anytime soon. Especially not with lyrics like this:



Hell, they might even make it on hip-hop airwaves. On a recent trip to the airport, one of my local hip hop stations started playing “Party Rock” – and since everything’s got a dance beat on it nowadays, anything could happen!

What is also fascinating to me is their simultaneous acceptance and rejection of beauty. While Minaj and the 2NE1 crew are considered attractive by conventional standards, they each grapple with culturally influenced ideas of beauty. Early on in her career,I read an interview with Minaj where she responded to someone criticizing one of her more out there looks by saying something like “maybe I don’t feel like being pretty to you today.” In our culture, where women are marketed heavily based on their sex appeal, it was interesting to see Minaj reject that framework, even as she courts it. (She has also advised girls that sex appeal isn’t enough to get ahead.)

I thought of Minaj’s comments while listening to 2NE1′s “Ugly,” a track where four beautiful women identify with unattractiveness.



2NE1 and Minaj’s embrace of unattractiveness/ugliness seems strange on its face, but it makes a lot of sense. For Minaj, rebelling against the tyranny of forced attractiveness (kind of like when men shout at you on the street to smile, when they have no idea who you are or what you are dealing with) is a way of maintaining the true self. It’s strange that not wanting to be pretty all the time is almost a revolutionary notion, but here we are. Along those same lines, 2NE1′s lyrics on “Ugly” refer less to a physical reality and more to an emotional state.

The idea that beauty is tied in with feelings of self-worth should be familiar to most folks, regardless of their awareness of feminist theory. But it is fascinating how many similarities emerge, whether we are talking about the tyranny of “thickness” or Korean women marching through the alphabet trying to find the perfect body line.

While both artists approach this from a different perspective, they are complicating the conversation around beauty in ways that generally haven’t happened in a long time. To build in a point of reference, it’s been eleven years since TLC dropped “Unpretty” and eleven years since Joydrop released “Beautiful.” Occasionally, a singer will vocalize feelings of insecurity around their looks – but since this isn’t popular, it isn’t often done. (Interestingly, 2NE1 balances “Ugly” with “I Am the Best” on their album – a song for all moods, I suppose.)

So, the chances are looking for for 2NE1 to gain a toehold in the American market – marketers and audiences only have to look at Minaj’s star to allow 2NE1 to shine.

source: racialicious

i'm not a blackjack in any way but i found the article interesting. racialicious has done an article about nicki minaj and orientalism, which is also a good read.

Date: 2011-12-16 07:14 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-12-16 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donglover.livejournal.com
i think this article is giving nicki a lil too much credit

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Date: 2011-12-16 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] es2pido.livejournal.com
That was a good read.

I've been telling my colleagues and zeh tlist that a CL (or 2NE1)/Nicki Minaj collab would also work, given the circumstances that will.I.Am has worked with Nicki before, in addition to what was written above.

I just wish that their American venture next year would be a success after all the sorta failures their experiencing in their Japan promotions. They have all the time in the world to do stuff in the US now that we're all aware YG is debuting new boy and girl groups in 2012.

Date: 2011-12-16 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] es2pido.livejournal.com
*they're

Oh, I'm totally picturing out a CL/Nicki MV right now tbqh hahahaha!

Date: 2011-12-16 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perfume.livejournal.com
I thought this was gonna be something about Nicki mentioning 2NE1 or a collab but then I read and was like oh.

Dreams will come true. One day...

Date: 2011-12-16 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] functionbomb.livejournal.com
THATS WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR T_T. soon.

Date: 2011-12-16 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bmo.livejournal.com
wheres the bold

Date: 2011-12-16 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audiograms.livejournal.com
interesting read, but flawed logic. There are parallels but that's it.

Date: 2011-12-16 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnnyquest89.livejournal.com
I thought it was going to be about how she thought the Korean words in her MV were Japanese

Date: 2011-12-16 09:46 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2011-12-16 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erbalurbal.livejournal.com
Uhh I agree that 2ne1 have a better chance but this article is really reaching.

Date: 2011-12-16 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ohprecioustime.livejournal.com
but Nicki Minaj is famous for her act,her look not really her music, barely hear it safe Super Bass in the summer

2NE1 don't have much personality,or anything else that is unique as far as America is concerned

Date: 2011-12-16 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feel-my-mind.livejournal.com
I've always thought out of all the Asian groups, 2NE1 has the best chance. I've pretty much said this since they debut, so its not that surprising. But, that was even before Nicki Minaj made a dent, so I really doubt she has anything to with the fact they could break through. People like Gwen Stefani/No Doubt & Black Eye Peas had already set the bar for the funky look, plus Far East Movement really breaking through set stage for another Asian artist to break though through. They just have the right vibe for America. Its hard to explain. (You could argue that Big Bang does to, but I can't see them breaking through. For some reason, I just the fact that 2NE1 is female gives them more of an opening and the fact their English is very understandable)

But, sorry article, 2NE1 Music isn't that unique.

Date: 2011-12-16 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideservestars.livejournal.com
when you compare their music to the rest of female kpop, yes it is.

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Date: 2011-12-16 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devilsatin.livejournal.com
my dream is for 2NE1 to disband and for Bom to go solo and join Xscape when they have their reunion. or she could form a duo with Tiny.

Date: 2011-12-16 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideservestars.livejournal.com
bom 4 president of the world

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Date: 2011-12-16 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saphbluedreams.livejournal.com
Some articles these days.

Image (http://s1090.photobucket.com/albums/i378/umlikestuff/?action=view&current=stareteukkyu-1.gif)

Date: 2011-12-17 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uglypricetag.livejournal.com
omg i miss this show

Date: 2011-12-16 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notyourgeisha.livejournal.com
I appreciate that kpop is getting more serious media attention. Even if its being treated as just a tween phase

Date: 2011-12-17 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ideservestars.livejournal.com
lol because it is

Date: 2011-12-16 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sujuhyuk.livejournal.com
due to the regular basic articles we get out of kpop, the article made me believe she literally 'kicked open a door' for 2ne1 and that it was major news now. lmao.

too much kpop D:

Date: 2011-12-16 10:38 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-12-16 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] outlawed.livejournal.com
The writer must have dug deep in his ass to associate these artists and somehow still make sense.

Date: 2011-12-16 10:57 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-12-17 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angela-derp-otp.livejournal.com
Regardless of anything once thing for sure is that KPOP getting more attention is something real and it's a good thing for the artists and for the industry imo.

Date: 2011-12-17 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cherrypop.livejournal.com
There were a lot of Nicki Minajs before Nicki Minaj appeared...

Date: 2011-12-17 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] itskimbitches.livejournal.com
and it takes talent to stand out from the rest

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Date: 2011-12-17 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taylorniw.livejournal.com
This article fails to mention that Minaj is mostly a joke with a huge ass. She makes hits, but no one really takes her seriously.

Date: 2011-12-17 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taecish.livejournal.com
nicki rox

Date: 2011-12-17 03:21 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-12-17 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asnindie.livejournal.com
I needed a good laugh today. Ninki Minaj breaking barriers. Brb dying.

Date: 2011-12-17 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killclosedrown.livejournal.com
But hasn't 2ne1 been around longer than Nicki? They debuted with Fire in May of 2009 and Nicki's wiki page says she wasn't signed to Young Money until August of that year and debuted a year later.

I dunno I like Nicki Minaj and all but I think this may be giving her a bit too much credit.

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