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“Topping Charts Makes You The Best?”… The Truth Behind Hallyu-dols Topping Oricon’s Charts

“Topping charts makes you the best?”

Oricon. It’s a familiar word. With idol groups pouring into Japan, articles related to the Oricon Charts have been flooding Korea. Recently, we’ve seen more than a handful of articles without the title ‘So-and-So Tops Oricon’s OO Charts’. It’s all thanks to the exclusive contracts signed with Japanese agencies and their strategic debuts.

On the 29th of September, three Korean idol groups topped the various categories of the Oricon charts. T-ara, TVXQ and 2NE1 beat Japanese singers to come out on top in the daily single charts, the daily album charts and the weekly album charts respectively.

But we mustn’t just accept a ‘No. 1′ on the Oricon Charts for its outward appearance. This is because though it may be the same ‘No. 1′, the internal stability is totally different. One representative of the K-Pop industry stated, “Every idol group that has entered the Japanese market is using an Oricon marketing strategy,” and “The Oricon charts represent album sales.What matters is the actual number of copies sold, not the rankings.“

In fact, the ‘No.1′ spots by the three groups appeared to look the same, but were completely different when looked into. The actual amount of albums sold, as well as the difference in albums sold with the second highest album on the charts, made a clear distinction between these achievements. We’ve delved into the truth that lies between the number ’1′ on the Oricon Charts and we were able to compare the actual popularity of these idol groups in Japan.



”The ‘No.1′s are all the same? The nutritional value is different”

Last month, TVXQ, T-ara and 2NE1 dominated the Oricon charts as they topped the daily album charts, the daily single charts and the weekly album charts respectively. But the evaluation they received was completely different. While one topped the charts with soaring album sales that were above everyone else, another topped the charts thanks to a successful fence-sitting strategy.

The team with the highest nutritional value in their achievement was TVXQ. They sold 105,486 copies of their new album ‘TONE’ on the first day. This is the first time since their debut in Japan that they have sold over 100,000 copies of an album on its release date. And the difference in album sales between TVXQ and second place was immense. They sold almost nine times more than ‘Sakanaction’, who sold 17,957 copies of their album. TVXQ’s first day album sales can easily put on the same level as that of Japan’s top singers such as Ayumi Hamasaki and V6.

T-ara’s achievements were quite surprising. They ranked high on the daily and weekly charts of their debut single ‘Bo Beep Bo Beep’. Selling 20,068 copies on their debut date, these figures are similar to the average number of singles Japanese singers sell when they top the Oricon single charts. What’s equally surprising is the fact that T-ara beat SID, who have been named the hottest artistes of the year in Japan. On the day of T-ara’s debut, SID sold 16,851 copies of their single and came in at second place.

2NE1′s ‘No.1′ came out of sheer luck. ‘Nolza’ topped the weekly charts (19th~25th) with 26,334 copies sold, barely beating the modern rock group ‘Every Little Thing’ with a 5,149 copies difference. But 2NE1′s weekly album sales are similar to what T-ara sold in a single day (21st). It would be meaningless to even attempt to compare them with TVXQ. 2NE1 was able to top the charts thanks to the fact that luckily, there wasn’t much competition against them.



”Comparing their future value with all Hallyu-dols”

All the records set by Hallyu-dols till now can become a standard to compare the true value of these top spots on the charts. No other idol can be compared to TVXQ and their activities. T-ara’s debut achievements are similar to that of Girls’ Generation and KARA. Though 2NE1 ranked high on the album charts with their debut album, there’s no substance in their win.

First of all, TVXQ are the undisputed top dogs and boast an absolute advantage in album sales. They are constantly breaking their own records. For example, this is the first time they’ve sold over 100,000 copies on their first day. This shows that JYJ leaving the group didn’t hinder TVXQ’s Japanese activities and regardless of the long hiatus they took, they are still powerful in the industry.

T-ara, who sold 20,000 copies of their single on the first day, came out on top ahead of their competition of Rainbow (10,141 copies) and After School (9,060 copies) who debuted around the same time. T-ara’s achievements can be compared to that of Girls’ Generation or KARA’s weekly results. The two groups sold around 40,000 copies of their debut singles and T-ara sold a total of 49,712 copies of their single in their first week.

Though 2NE1 topped the charts with their debut album that sold 26,334 copies, they’ve mostly been met by criticism of ‘sneak thieving’. There’s no substance in their win as their weekly album sales are only one fifth to one tenth of the album sales of KARA and Girls’ Generation’s weekly album sales. KARA sold 107,403 copies of ‘Girls’ Talk’ while Girls’ Generation sold 232,000 copies of ‘Girls’ Generation’.



”Oricon Marketing, What matters more than the rankings is internal stability”

Oricon boasts the most powerful influence in the J-Pop market. That may be why K-Pop agencies are focusing their efforts on Oricon marketing. It is being used as a mere tool to show off idol groups’ achievement. But we must not be fooled by the mere outward appearance of a ‘No.1′ spot as the ranking may be the same, but the actual worth of the win is completely different.

An expert in the J-Pop industry stated, “You have to look into when and from whom the ‘No.1′ spot was taken. There’s a big difference in releasing an album at the same time as ‘SMAP’ and at the same time as a rookie group,” and criticized the bubble surrounding the No.1 title as he pointed out, “It would be a mistake for one to use only a ‘No.1′ spot on the Oricon Charts to gauge a group’s popularity in Japan.“

Of course, there’s no reason to devalue the worth of the charts’ rankings. No matter whether the competition was fierce or not, a ‘No.1′ spot on the Oricon charts is a meaningful achievement. The problem is the exaggerated reports made on such achievements. We must not distort the essence of the charts in order to make an image of a Hallyu star. What’s more important than rankings is internal stability, and this can only be achieved through high album sales.

A representative of the K-Pop industry stated, “The gauge for a group’s popularity lies in their album sales. The numbers that change every day and every week are nothing but a mirage. A bubble that can burst at any minute,” and “Instead of obsessing over numbers, idol groups should focus on honing their skills. What’s most important is to gain a competitive edge if one wants to survive in the Japanese market for a long period of time.“
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Date: 2011-10-22 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turdferguson.livejournal.com
i love 2ne1 but lmao omg

"The problem is the exaggerated reports made on such achievements." as well as fans and antis with all their grandstanding and the mudslinging
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Date: 2011-10-22 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardenintheair.livejournal.com
This shows that JYJ leaving the group didn’t hinder TVXQ’s Japanese activities and regardless of the long hiatus they took, they are still powerful in the industry.

I'd rather wait for few next releases and the next year japanese tour to say that. I'm still not sure whether they're really that popular in Japan or is it their fanbase helping them a lot or people buy their releases because they have hope in all 5 to come back.

Date: 2011-10-22 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardenintheair.livejournal.com
An expert in the J-Pop industry stated, “You have to look into when and from whom the ‘No.1′ spot was taken. There’s a big difference in releasing an album at the same time as ‘SMAP’ and at the same time as a rookie group,” and criticized the bubble surrounding the No.1 title as he pointed out, “It would be a mistake for one to use only a ‘No.1′ spot on the Oricon Charts to gauge a group’s popularity in Japan.“

lol ikr? 30th Novemeber is gonna be a depressing day for some Cassies and Bigeasts lmao.

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Date: 2011-10-22 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiminikaeru.livejournal.com
no, what are you talking about, 2ne1 are dominating japan!!!11

Date: 2011-10-22 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iliaccrests.livejournal.com
“Instead of obsessing over numbers, idol groups should focus on honing their skills. What’s most important is to gain a competitive edge if one wants to survive in the Japanese market for a long period of time.“

Smartest chunk of wisdom I've ever read recently tbh.

Date: 2011-10-22 07:39 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2011-10-22 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] analapana83.livejournal.com
I think it's general knowledge for anyone that follows the j-charts and sales that the Oricon isn't the most reliable source to use to measure ones' popularity. There are other charts. It's rly why i lol when people boast about "their fav" reaching #1. Not to snatch anyone's shine, but it's just the truth.

That's also a reason why a lot of these artists avoid releasing singles/albums when another more high-popularity artist is due to as well. Because they'll never stand a chance getting #1 and the comparison in numbers will be ugly. *lol @ remembering Johnny's and TVXQ occurrence. Oh Johnny.*

Date: 2011-10-22 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardenintheair.livejournal.com
Yes. I think digital charts are more reliable source these days.

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Date: 2011-10-22 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2ne3rd.livejournal.com
I think 2NE1 is doing decently considering their music genre and the fact that their not going with the usual cutesy or sexy concepts that Japan is familiar with.

About the #1 ranking, well IA that it's nothing to brag about or anything since their sales are so low, but I'm also not going to act like I'm not happy for them. I just hope they can continue to improve.

Date: 2011-10-22 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xshinebrighterx.livejournal.com
IA with this whole comment. Given 2NE1's concept I don't think they will ever appeal to the general japanese public, but japanese kpop fans alone make it somewhat profitable for 2ne1 to keep releasing there. They won't be the next Kara, but they're not a flop like pominit either

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Date: 2011-10-22 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xshinebrighterx.livejournal.com
Reminds me of the time when Mblaq topped Oricon with 11k...
Interesting read, I think a #1 on Oricon is a nice achievement, but a group's popularity or level of success in Japan can't be mesured only by how many times they've gotten that position.

Date: 2011-10-22 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] t8l8.livejournal.com
Wasn't that for the daily chart? MBLAQ actually did quite good for the weekly chart with 40,281 sold.

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Date: 2011-10-22 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taylorniw.livejournal.com
lol a whole lot of 'duh' in this article, even if fans choose to look at the rank rather than sales.

Date: 2011-10-22 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitsujiga.livejournal.com
man SID should be really pressed by now, having gotten beat by t-ara while working their asses off for many years to rank in the top3/#1 of oricon. but as long as i know them by now, i suppose at least mao would just grin and do the bo-beep dance~ XDDD i'm proud as a SID fan, no matter what k-pop has achieved in the last months.

Date: 2011-10-22 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] analapana83.livejournal.com
a lot of the visual-kei guys are Hallyu fans. they pbly would just do the Bo Peep dance and lol.

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Date: 2011-10-22 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nochichi.livejournal.com
they uses the "all kill" strategy in Korea, so to me its normal for them to use the "No.1" strategy in Japan.

Date: 2011-10-22 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crazyxcami.livejournal.com
People tend to look at the wrong sources with the all kill thing~~ just cause akp claims that it is...doesn't mean its true. Instiz is a great source to see what's really happening at the digital charts in Korea.

Date: 2011-10-22 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vagueclarity.livejournal.com
nutritional value lol

Date: 2011-10-22 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khimia.livejournal.com
I love the fact that 2ne1 didn't change their image for the japanese market, to be honest I really don't care that they are not doing good over there.

I don't want them to turn like after school the remake of diva is tragic :-(
And why are they comparing a single (tara) to an album, of course the single will sold better, we are talking about "bo beep"

Date: 2011-10-22 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nochichi.livejournal.com
and they are comparing 2ne1's debut album to the albums (Kara's Girls talk & SNSD's GG) of those who released so many singles n albums in japan before.

why do they compare rockies group's sales with those debuted in jp for almost 2 yrs...?

i kinda feel this article is trying to downgrade 2ne1, just opinion lol

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Date: 2011-10-22 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k0dama.livejournal.com
Obsessing over charts don't do you any good in America, k-pop.

Date: 2011-10-22 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unreal.livejournal.com
There’s a big difference in releasing an album at the same time as ‘SMAP’ and at the same time as a rookie group,”

This. Not to mention that article that said "Shinee beat AKB48" when their single was already out for much longer.

Date: 2011-10-22 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eishastan.livejournal.com
Well Blackjacks were asking for this article with their constant and ridiculous bragging, glad someone wrote this, maybe this way they'll stop being so delusional, annoying and egocentric..

And I'm sorry for the nice and intelligent Blackjacks, but most of them are annoying as hell, if they are not bashing other idols, they are blowing things out of proportion.. that just brings hatred to the fandom and their unnies, they are the main reason i don't care about 2ne1 anymore.

Oh and I already see some excuses about their low sales lol...

Date: 2011-10-22 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hikarinoniji.livejournal.com
As a Blackjack, I agree. I love the girls, I do. But whereas their music is encouraged in Korea where ~new and setting yourself apart from the mass~ makes you cool, Japan just wants fabricated pop idols with catchy tunes, long legs and cute outfits. 2NE1 will never make it big in Japan because they refuse to go along in with that. It's something I am proud of, but not something that will make the popular.

Tbh, I'm shaking my head at all the Blackjacks and articles ~praising~ their Japanese sales.

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Date: 2011-10-22 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosetta16.livejournal.com
I cant take serious the activities of a group in japan thay is only releasing remakes, like I understand it for their debut single, but after 3/4 songs in a row, shit is not cool, yeah TVXQ has remakes but they debuted with a japanese song and till their 4 single they went for a remake. 2ne1 is like 3 remakes away of having the same number of remakes as TVXQ and 2ne1 just debuted :/
I think even japan is getting tired of remakes, look at SHINee sells, theyr last single sold a lot less than Replay
hope they start getting original japanese songs cause kiss kiss was amazing

Date: 2011-10-22 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashiva.livejournal.com
I think there was only hype in Korea about 2NE1's #1 @ Oricon (and some general kpop news sites were stupid enough translate those news) as international fandom was more looking into actual sales numbers. Anyhow they did alright considering the horrible translations of their Korean songs and their genre of music. And they have continued selling instead of dropping to zero - They have now sold over 40,000 albums which isn't a big number in Japan, but isn't absolutely terrible number either for non idol artist (Same as Big Bang, 2NE1 isn't marketed as idol in Japan). And hopefully they will gradually find their audience in Japan, though it might take few years.
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Date: 2011-10-22 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hikarinoniji.livejournal.com
TVXQ’s first day album sales can easily put on the same level as that of Japan’s top singers such as Ayumi Hamasaki and V6.

Out of all Johnny's to compare them with, you pick V6. I'm sorry, I love them but they haven't had a really successful release in years. Shaking my head. If the writer had wanted to use a Johnny's group, he could have better picked Arashi to measure them with.

I agree with the rest of the article though.

Date: 2011-10-22 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gardenintheair.livejournal.com
and Ayu's sales from latest years aren't as that impressive though I admit FIVE's sales surprised me really positively.

But if the writer was thinking about her peak in early 2000s then... lol

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Date: 2011-10-22 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asnindie.livejournal.com
Stupid article, let's see who still relevant in a year before claiming they're doing really well.

Date: 2011-10-22 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnnyquest89.livejournal.com
lol Why would they mention luck to get number 1 in the article. It's just like korea when companies don't release their groups at the same time as BigBang/SNSD etc. No luck just pure market assessment and strategy.

N yea I suppose like a lot of other folks say Unless you're dropping 100k+ with your number one or you've outsold akb48(VAST DIFFERENCE) during their debut week those number 1's don't really mean as much as portrayed.

Date: 2011-10-22 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timetobegin.livejournal.com
When it comes to Korea and Japan, getting to number one is overrated. Everone gets the top spot these days, especially with decreasing Japanese cd sales (I remember the days people sold more than 500.000 copies in one week). What actually mathers is the amount of copies sold, and the actual time spend in the top 5, 10, 20 etc. I love 2NE1, but those sales numbers are atrocious (generally speaking).

Date: 2011-10-22 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nandexdame.livejournal.com
"What’s equally surprising is the fact that T-ara beat SID, who have been named the hottest artistes of the year in Japan."

What, a couple of years ago? They haven't done shit in like a year. And its not really surprising that T-ara beat SID. SID's sales, outside a few singles, have never been terribly huge and they came back from a hiatus, while kpop is all the rage.

If people are going to write things like this, some research would be appreciated.

Date: 2011-10-22 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weerainbow.livejournal.com
Interesting stuff...wise words when it comes to not going too crazy just over getting a number one slot. It's great but as this points out there are many kinds of number ones and it all depends on who you're against and how many actual sales there are.

Date: 2011-10-22 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangaodekuazi.livejournal.com
"No other idol can be compared to TVXQ and their activities"
PREACH

Date: 2011-10-23 02:10 am (UTC)

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Date: 2011-10-22 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] t-domination.livejournal.com
I wouldn't call 2NE1 a flop, but they weren't very successful either. I'm a 2NE1 stan4lyfe but damn their sales were really disappointing. But I guess the concert revenue made up for it :\

I still think they should just go into the european market and release their english album lol
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