SM Entertainment‘s mastermind, Lee Soo Man (60), recently sat down with Chosun for an interview, where he revealed his thoughts on a variety of topics, including his management system, his new groups ‘M1‘ and ‘M2‘, and his possible venture into the American market. Check out his interview below!
The biggest contributing factor to Kpop’s widespread success is the long term contracts:
Lee Soo Man became the first person in the Korean entertainment industry to implement a systematic and scientific management system. He picked trainees to foster into idol stars, who all signed 13-year contracts. By doing this, he essentially became the principal of a school of talented students.
However, these long term contracts have been controversial and often referred to as ‘slave contracts’ (after negotiations with the Fair Trade Commission, the length of the contract term has been reduced to 7 years if artists are only promoting within Korea, 10 years if going overseas). 13 years is a long time to the trainees, but it’s also a long time for the management as well, since they are making a 13 year promise to take responsibility in transforming the trainees into stars.
Lee Soo Man cited these long term contracts as the biggest contributing factor to K-Pop’s widespread success all over the world.
He stated,
"Even the U.S. couldn’t establish a management system like ours. Picking trainees, signing a long term contract, and teaching trainees for a long period of time, this just can’t happen in the U.S. U.S. agencies are hired as sub-contractors after an artist has grown and gained popularity on their own. As a result, the agencies only play roles of sub-contractors, and can’t make long term investments in singer-hopefuls.However, in Korea and Japan, whose cultural industries developed later, agencies were free to make such contracts. That’s why we have been able to make these long term investments."
While on the topic of ‘industries’, the reporter took the opportunity to question Lee Soo Man about “CT”. They asked, “You came up with the word CT (Culture Technology). What is the secret to becoming the winner in the CT industry?”
Lee Soo Man replied,
“The IT (information technology) industry is often said to be a high risk-high profit industry. However, CT is an industry with an even bigger risk-profit ratio. In an industry like this, the most important thing is to avoid things that happen by chance, or only once.To give an example, a talented artisan possesses pottery making skills that are unrivaled by anyone. His skills lie in his sense of touch and his fingertips. If you want to learn these skills, you have no choice but to train under him. However, if this skill can be recorded carefully and taught to disciples, and if he could pass this skill down successfully and receive copyright fees – this could become an industry.
This is what SM Entertainment is trying to do. Whatever skills I, or one of our employees possess, are written out and passed down through training and education. Only then can something become continuous. If this kind of system cannot be established, everything will only have happened by chance and end as a one-time occurrence.”
He also added, “People worry that without Lee Soo Man, SM will come to an end, so that’s why a ‘clone’ has been made to take the place of Lee Soo Man.”
He revealed that this ‘clone’ is a team made up of six people who are specialists in areas like dance, singing, and mixing music. He stated, “Something better than a copy of Lee Soo Man will be produced, and SM will become even bigger.”
Patience is Lee Soo Man’s secret to his management:
The entertainment industry is essentially about making the right choices; choosing the best singer, choosing the best staff, choosing the best music. Knowing this, Lee Soo Man handles each decision with extreme patience. Before making a choice, he looks over almost an excessive amount of options, but if he thinks that there is no answer, he will cleanly give it up. There have been many occurrences of ‘sunken costs’ that could not be recovered, but Lee Soo Man doesn’t seem to care. Rather than risking his neck for a product that is ‘so-so’, he is willing to invest the time and money until the best comes out.
Taking this into consideration, Lee Soo Man introduced the topic of his upcoming group.
SM Entertainment’s new group will be made up of two sub groups who have the same concept. One group will promote in Korea, while the other group will promote with the same song in China. The groups are currently referred to as ‘M1‘ and ‘M2‘.
In order to find the perfect title song for these two groups, SM held an event called ‘Music Camp’ in Denmark and Norway in August. The event drew 50 composers from all over the world, who came to compose a song for SM Entertainment over 3 to 6 days. SM Entertainment showed the composers M1 and M2, and once they explain the concept they wanted and the rhythm they seeked, the composers were free to come up with their own songs.
Even though they held this event twice already, SM Entertainment still hasn’t been able to pick a suitable title song for M1 and M2. Lee Soo Man stated,
“If you look at it from one point, we have thrown away a lot of money. However, we’re always doing things like that. SM Entertainment has three sources of power: training, adherence to the system, and songs. It usually takes about 4 years to launch a new group. In order to write one song for TVXQ, 50 people had gathered. It required around 4 billion won ($3.5 million USD) for TVXQ to make their debut. In addition, another 4 billion Korean Won was required for album production and promotional fees.”
Lee Soo Man then went on to explain how his patience and methodical system allowed him to create super idol groups, TVXQ and Super Junior.
After BoA’s successful venture into Japan, the SM Entertainment CEO wanted to create a group that could be successful not only in Asia, but all over the world. Since he had a limited number of trainees, much deliberation and focus was needed to decide how to make this group happen. Lee Soo Man decided to choose the best members out of several trainee teams to create a new group that could be considered “major league”. This group was none other than TVXQ.
As for Super Junior, Lee Soo Man revealed, “All the other groups were on the verge of being dissolved. However, since they signed contracts with us, we had to take responsibility. So out of these groups, the group that we raised to do well both in music and variety shows was Super Junior. They put in their sweat and tears to survive [in the industry], and we felt bad [watching them] so we tried to help them.”
And what about SM Entertainment’s plans for expansion into the U.S.?
The reporter asked, “SM TOWN is going to be held at Madison Square Garden in New York, are you going to be making an official venture into the U.S.?” Lee Soo Man replied,
“No, it’s not like that. Rather than venturing into the U.S., we are just holding a concert as a consolation for the people we consider a part of an imaginary country called SM TOWN. The markets of China and Asia will be bigger than the U.S. market. Thus, it isn’t really necessary to go into the U.S. In the near future, when a ‘Hollywood of Asia’ appears, the cultural center of the world will make a big shift to Asia. Asian songs are not well known in the U.S.? Totally irrelevant because Asia will soon become the center.”
Lee Soo Man’s dreams for the future:
Lee Soo Man is a man who is always dreaming. His current dream involves producing a musical like‘Billy Elliot’, where he’ll draw different groups from all over the world and have them perform. He revealed that the story would be about a mom and a child arguing over classic and pop music, but end up realizing that better music can be produced when the two are combined. The musical would feature a combination of past and new songs of SM Entertainment.
As this interview was being conducted, the news about Teddy Riley composing SNSD’s new song broke out. When asked to comment about the news, Lee Soo Man commented, “It’s my dream to produce a composer that makes the most money in the world through SM Entertainment.”
Source + Photo: AKP + Chosun
Spoken like a true businessman. Discuss this article, OMONA. Me? I have to say I respected his vision of shifting the cultural-center of the world from the West to the East. That's not easy to achieve. It will probably take tens of generations to do that.
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Date: 2011-10-17 12:55 pm (UTC)here to say that that is the first picture I've ever seen of the dude.
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-17 01:37 pm (UTC)based on what I've heard/read about these men - as basic human beings - they piss me off. but when it comes down to their business...they know what they're doing, that's for damn sure:\
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:06 pm (UTC)SM Entertainment has three sources of power: training, adherence to the system, and songs
that's true. i think all of the title songs for SM groups are really catchy and as much as people say they hate it, it catches on really quick.
13 years is a long time to the trainees, but it’s also a long time for the management as well, since they are making a 13 year promise to take responsibility in transforming the trainees into stars.
there's that too, i mean, people always complain about the idols but it does take a lot of effort on the company's par tot make them stars and train them to be the best.
he's undeniably a smart guy. and a guy all the SM Town people look up to. so idg why everyone hates him so much when the people who are in his company in the first place respect him (and this is where on akp there'll be comments about him paying them to say nice stuff about him lol)
LOOKING FORWARD TO M1 & M2. i hope they debut soon. does anyone know when they're debuting?
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:15 pm (UTC)Ummm didn't Motown use this formula?
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Date: 2011-10-17 04:54 pm (UTC)The reason this type of system can't happen in the US now is because we used to do stuff like this. It didn't work out in the long run. The artists felt abused, underpaid, without control over their own careers so they rebelled. Unions were formed. The industry changed forever.
TVXQ is an early sign that the same thing may be happening in Korea.
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:24 pm (UTC)Really?
He sounds like a typical businessman, that being said...hire me please!
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:32 pm (UTC)he looks young for his age
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:32 pm (UTC)omg,reason why American Pop is superior, stay in Korea
please and thank you
also I don't see Asia becoming the centre of entertainment.
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:34 pm (UTC)Million of dollars were spend to make this Mirotic look, song, mv, etc and other TVXQ mvs? Some may not like him, but I say good job LSM.
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:36 pm (UTC)And it's refreshing to see that he basically admitted that Super Junior were basically the leftover trainees after creating DBSK. It's great how he managed to carve out a niche on different areas of the entertainment industry for Super Junior, the ones who weren't lucky enough to have been picked for DBSK.
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:42 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:36 pm (UTC)so sick of EFL on tumblr/twitter/wherever bitching about this comment. You'd think LSM had killed their firstborn or something.
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:36 pm (UTC)Or are most people on both groups' side?
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:36 pm (UTC)same goes for shinee, let them have a comeback before the world ends, gdi.
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:49 pm (UTC)so basically, super junior is an anomaly for surviving this long even though from the beginning, they weren't meant to last a long time. hard work really pays off. ^_^
and i hope a lot of kpop fans read this and learn more about the business aspect of it. and even though it's all business sometimes, there are still times wherein the well-being of the employee is taken to consideration.
and i think lee soo man really wants the people under him to be successful. and he's going to do everything he can for that to happen.
still, they need to review a lot of their business practices. like not overworking their artists.
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Date: 2011-10-17 02:11 pm (UTC)Most believe that is why Kibum bolted. He was training to be an actor and they stuck him in a group(that was supposed to rotate members) to give him some exposure, when surprise surprise they developed a large territorial fanbase.
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Date: 2011-10-17 01:51 pm (UTC)I acknowledge that Asia is rising, I remain sceptical if it will become the Entertainment capital of the world though. High reaching hope imo But yes, I think he should only concentrate on the Asian markets.
It would be fascinating to hear him talk about his plans for F(x)...I wonder if he'll 'invest the time and money until the best comes out'. I remain highly doubtful though.
Interesting ideological dude.
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Date: 2011-10-17 11:37 pm (UTC)I agree about the Disney thing, it is really similar actually. People in those types of systems very rarely have staying power. As soon as the new Disney person is introduced, everyone forgets about the others and they lose popularity.
Lol, I agree LSM is aiming high... I feel like the Korean music market may have to become a little more diverse (not just "idol" pop music) in order for it to be more internationally appealing.
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Date: 2011-10-17 02:18 pm (UTC)IA that his system is genius but flawed. While his star-making formula worked wonders in Asia and parts of the world, the creative control held back his artists and is hindering them from being truly revolutionary. Madonna, Lady Gaga and MJ were pretty much in control of everything with regard to performance and so their work truly shone. They can pretty much afford to leave their producers and start their own labels if they wanted to, riding on talent alone. Being an SME artist means being used to sticking to a concept and complying with the company image -- it will be too hard for them to break away and I'm betting that they are not in touch with any artistic identity.
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Date: 2011-10-17 02:02 pm (UTC)anyway I don't think long term contracts are better than short term contracts and vise versa, imo it depends on the artists and how much they trust the company =)
fuck yeah Dbsk deserves all the money spend on them =')
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Date: 2011-10-17 02:13 pm (UTC)LSM really does know what he's doing when he made those groups. they knew dbsk was worth it when they shelled out that much money for them. he must be one confident mentor.
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Date: 2011-10-17 02:15 pm (UTC)Great article OP.
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Date: 2011-10-17 02:18 pm (UTC)... anyway, lee sooman, idk if it's his face or the way he tells his ambition, but seriously, i feel like he's a father to me o_o
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