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young African American teacher and an older Korean man are involved in a dispute on a bus. The reaction is a reminder of how foreigners are viewed in South Korea.


There it was in the papers and online, being debated and second-guessed: an ugly public faceoff exposing the fragile social fault line that lurks just beneath the surface in South Korea — a society that is slowly, almost painfully, becoming more multicultural.

In an incident caught on videotape, a young African American schoolteacher threatened and then shoved an older Korean man he thought had insulted his race. The unsettling footage, recorded with a cellphone camera, shows the clearly agitated American leaning into the face of a 61-year-old.


"Shut up," he yells in a profane outburst. "You see these rocks?" he says, showing his fists, before starting a brief shoving melee aboard a public bus.

Versions vary over what started the fight last month. One bystander reported that the 24-year-old teacher had been talking to a Korean female companion when confronted by the elderly man, who demanded to know why the woman was with a black man. Others say the American was speaking too loudly.

"I felt offended when the man in the seat said 'Shut up,'" the teacher later told police. "And while I couldn't understand the Korean that followed, I felt he was disparaging black people."

The American, who faces assault charges, has admitted he was wrong to shove him and said he wants to apologize. And this week, another African-American teacher here told the Korean press that he was ordered off a public bus without cause by a driver – as passengers snickered – an insult he thinks is related to the earlier fracas.

The fight was widely covered here, with one English-language paper carrying the headline "Foreigner's ruckus on bus causes online uproar." The article described the teacher with language that might be viewed as playing on racial stereotypes, terming him a "dreadlocked man, wearing a baggy blue shirt and a backwards baseball cap."

On Korean-language Internet sites, many called for swift punishment. Though there are few guns in South Korea and the incident lacked the bloodshed that might have played out in other places, for many it was still unsettling.

"Why are these people acting in such way in a foreign country?" asked one. Others reserved judgment. "I've seen many cases where Koreans act rudely to foreigners, staring at them as if they were some amusement," one commented. "Let's look at ourselves and think of the foreigner, a black man living in Korean society. He probably has to endure a lot of stress."

The incident was also debated among Westerners here, where some have called for the teacher to be deported. "There's no place like home: Some people never should have left," wrote one blog reader. Another added: "Fine him for assault; then kick him out. Simple."

But blogger Michael Hurt, who is a mix of Korean and African American ancestry — suggests that the criticism of the teacher in "the court of popular opinion" was based on his race.

"Well, there we saw it — an angry black man, yelling and scaring … everybody. Surely he just got up and started attacking people for no apparent reason, because that's what scary black men do, right?" Hurt wrote. "Never has there been a discussion — in general — of the fact that black folks like myself get harassed DAILY on subways and buses and trains, but THAT never becomes an issue; no Korean thinks to flip on their cell phone to start making YouTube videos. I don't condone this young man's type of behavior. BUT I UNDERSTAND IT."

Many foreigners understand it. They don't have to be black, just something that routinely brings uninvited scrutiny: being a "foreigner," the dreaded f-word used here to lump everyone here who's not Korean.

Newspapers trumpet the fact that South Korea is becoming more multicultural. Their evidence: The nation of 50 million now includes 1.2 million outsiders — mostly Westerners recruited to teach English in Korean schools.

But tensions and misunderstandings persist. Some Koreans rightly criticize the influx of Western teachers who snap up jobs at higher salaries than natives merely because of their non-Korean face — one that apparently exudes English competency — rather than superior teaching skills.

One baffled African American teacher wrote in a newspaper about the Korean store owner who — apparently coming into close contact with a black person for the first time — innocently took the teacher's arm and tried to rub the blackness off her skin.

In 2009, a foreign professor of Indian descent, while traveling on a bus with a Korean woman, was accosted by a middle-aged Korean man who hurled racist slurs and was charged in the case.

Spurred by the 2009 incident, lawmakers are considering legislation that will provide a detailed definition of discrimination by race and ethnicity and impose criminal penalties.

For many foreigners, Seoul's notoriously abrupt public spaces remain a minefield, a realm of often too-few smiles where pedestrians rarely apologize for or even acknowledge accidental brushes or outright collisions. Speaking in English, my Chinese-born wife and a Korean friend were once scolded on a bus by a woman who insisted that they were in Korea and "by law" should be speaking Korean.

Who knows what set off the recent bus fracas? Maybe the teacher and his Korean friend were talking too loudly in English. An Australian here believes that in crowded places, conversations in foreign languages often seem louder than they are.

Maybe so — but as Americans know all too well, the potholed road to multiculturalism is lined by kangaroo courts of popular opinion.

Source: latimes
I had to post it after I remembered that video being posted here. And that I decided not to go into that post seeing the rep omona has
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Date: 2011-09-11 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanny-w.livejournal.com
What did the netizens post online when they found out he wasn't waka flocka? Or that he wasn't a rapper? That was some foolishness. Kinda crazy how a argument on a bus draws so much attention and that some people think he should have been kicked out of the country for it.

Date: 2011-09-13 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaylapoo.livejournal.com
it's so like korea to even consider kicking him out of the country for this

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Date: 2011-09-11 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kanbinayume.livejournal.com
Speaking in English, my Chinese-born wife and a Korean friend were once scolded on a bus by a woman who insisted that they were in Korea and "by law" should be speaking Korean.
Well then.

Date: 2011-09-11 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djkenz.livejournal.com
What's sad is I've heard people say generally the same thing here in America about Spanish.
"You're in America. Speak english."
It's not just a Korean thing...

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Date: 2011-09-11 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dorawa.livejournal.com
when i was in korea, people in seoul were super nice to foreigners and always talked to them and asked them questions. but when i went elsewhere.... not even the case. i felt really uncomfortable tbh. everyone stared and was really rude. :(

Date: 2011-09-11 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keyllastic.livejournal.com
I had this in Japan, outside of Tokyo everyone gave me the gtfo looks. :/

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Date: 2011-09-11 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miki-831.livejournal.com
"Some Koreans rightly criticize the influx of Western teachers who snap up jobs at higher salaries than natives merely because of their non-Korean face — one that apparently exudes English competency — rather than superior teaching skills."

Well that's definitely an opinion but you can't deny the fact that a lot of the English teachers do know English better than many Korean teachers who teach the same subject.

Date: 2011-09-11 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dorawa.livejournal.com
i met a woman on the way to korea who was a korean english teacher and her english was pretty bad. i was like errrr.... but she was nice!

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Date: 2011-09-11 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] justtakisha.livejournal.com
This -> The incident was also debated among Westerners here, where some have called for the teacher to be deported. "There's no place like home: Some people never should have left,"...

Westerners saying "There's no place like home:..." Really now, how else are the ignorant going to get out of their own bubble and learn anything?

Date: 2011-09-11 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lafacon.livejournal.com
:/

having been on the same boat, i feel for this guy.

Date: 2011-09-11 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aifurikuri.livejournal.com
Is it bad for me to say that I am really scared of ever going to Korea just because of this, because I am. I'll give it a few more years for things to settle down.

Date: 2011-09-11 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kimiko1387.livejournal.com
Nope (since I have the same feelings when reading stories like this), but I would caution that you shouldn't let other's experiences deter from your own, and you might get lucky and have nothing happen to you during your visit.

Honestly this was the perfect storm for something serious to happen, AND could happen anywhere in the world quiet frankly.

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Date: 2011-09-11 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xshinebrighterx.livejournal.com
are people seriously justifying this guy? seriously?

Date: 2011-09-11 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanny-w.livejournal.com
He should have kept his cool but people need to not act like this was some sort of serious attack against their country. Deportation for a scuffle on a bus?

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Date: 2011-09-11 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wotdoumean.livejournal.com
"One baffled African American teacher wrote in a newspaper about the Korean store owner who — apparently coming into close contact with a black person for the first time — innocently took the teacher's arm and tried to rub the blackness off her skin."

ummm D:

Date: 2011-09-11 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geniebsmart.livejournal.com
NGL, I laughed at that line. That's a trip xD Sad but a trip.
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Date: 2011-09-11 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k0dama.livejournal.com
Yikes.

figures stuff like this would happen in a country with NO education on racial equality. I think the most we were ever taught was "don't buy Japanese magazines, because it's unpatriotic."

Date: 2011-09-11 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chraka.livejournal.com
" Hurt wrote. "Never has there been a discussion — in general — of the fact that black folks like myself get harassed DAILY on subways and buses and trains, but THAT never becomes an issue; no Korean thinks to flip on their cell phone to start making YouTube videos. I don't condone this young man's type of behavior. BUT I UNDERSTAND IT."

well, I'm scared now

Date: 2011-09-11 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geniebsmart.livejournal.com
Aww why are you scared? D:

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Date: 2011-09-11 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nono-dono-k.livejournal.com
"the Korean store owner who innocently took the teacher's arm and tried to rub the blackness off her skin." OH. MY. GOD. Oo On which planet does she live???? Oo

I went to Manila some month ago with friends and it was like that too... we went to the biggest mall of the country and people just kept staring at us, especially me because i'm blond, tall, blue-eyed and my skin is WHITE... I didn't really bother but it's really rude and I could have felt like an beast they wouldn't have stop... And when we were waiting for a taxi to drie us back home, they were obviously AVOIDING us.... The man who usually stop taxis in front of the mall even laughed at us for that actually xDDD

It's not new Asian ppl aren't that open-minded when it comes to foreigners... Not saying Westeners are better ofc but still... =///

Date: 2011-09-12 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leigh1381.livejournal.com
hehehe....

uhm sorry if you had such an uncomfortable time but actually the reason why most pilipino's do that is because they are fascinated looking at you especially when you say you have blond hair, because believe me that is the ultimate ambition of pilipinos, to have blond hair...lol...

as for the taxi drivers, well you're an english speaker and for them they will have a nosebleed if they want to have ask or talk to you....

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Date: 2011-09-11 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kittycurious.livejournal.com
no Korean thinks to flip on their cell phone to start making YouTube videos.

If I go to study in Korea, I will have my phone ready to video tape it all. Not that I'm Korean, but I figure video is video.

Date: 2011-09-11 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kissuholic.livejournal.com
am still butthurt that South Korea makes foreigners look so bad, while referring to the video, all the korean citizens just simply watched how a young man was shouting on an elder. Nobody even tried to stop the black guy or help the old man.
i would be more scared of your own ignorance, South Korea.

Date: 2011-09-11 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akaich0u.livejournal.com
Nobody even tried to stop the black guy or help the old man.

Not sure of your experiences in big cities/public transportation, but I'll say this: it can be scary. Quite scary. The reason why most people mind their own business while on buses/subways/etc is that there are shady people on it all the time. Where I live, recently this old lady on the bus observed this younger woman spanking her (the latter's) son, and called her out on it. A couple of stops later it turned out the younger woman had called a few of her friends out who had guns and shot at the bus to try to teach the older woman to 'know her place'.

It's really unfortunate that upstanding citizens are discouraged from doing the right thing because of such possibilities, but yeah, you never know. If you watch the video, you can see that some people tried to shield the old man once the guy started hitting him but of course, ideally, something would've been done earlier. While I too wish things were different, I don't necessarily blame people for being too scared to intervene.

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Date: 2011-09-11 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuki-yang.livejournal.com
I was in Seoul for a weekend (work matter)
I was talking on my cellphone to my mom in japanese, in the subway T_T (never again)
and some students (middle school) started snickering and saying stuff like
"what's this japanese doing in our country, get out, get out, dumb bitch" (yes I can understand that much korean)

Racism in S.Korea is REAL.
If you are going there, beware that you are going to cross lots of racist bullshits.
I'm ASIAN ok? and they still hate me.

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Date: 2011-09-11 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xaoiholic.livejournal.com
And while I couldn't understand the Korean that followed, I felt he was disparaging black people.

oooooooh..

Date: 2011-09-11 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geniebsmart.livejournal.com
I saw that line and thought, "So you could be wrong in other words. Oic." I mean the old person could have really been saying some racial stuff to the guy, but on the other hand, you really didn't know...

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Date: 2011-09-11 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akaich0u.livejournal.com
I watched that video 5+ times just to grasp everything that was going on. ngl, I think he really should not have shouted at that lady/old guy so fiercely, least of all raised his hand toward them. He seemed to understand that "molla" = "I don't know" as he said it to them, so yeah...pretty much an indicator of miscommunication all around. If it were me, as soon as I realize that, I would just let it go as any more yelling would just fall upon deaf/confused ears.

Discrimination is very painful and frustrating, but in this case I think he did more harm than good for both himself and his cause. By no means should he deported of course, nor do I think charges should be pressed, necessarily.... Like Mr. Hurt said, he has probably been prejudiced against numerous times before without the incidents being made public. I think both sides can learn from this, which is the most important thing at the end of the day.

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Date: 2011-09-11 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmrawr.livejournal.com
when i was in korea, i made a point to apologize if i bumped into someone and hold doors open. at first i smiled when i made eye contact with strangers but i think they got creeped out by that. idk why but i just felt like sharing that. o__o

i think a lot of koreans are just not used to or have ever been exposed to other races/cultures, especially the older generation. i know that's no excuse but it's merely a probably cause for the actions we're reading about. still sad.

i never realize how much i took cultural awareness for granted back home in america until i went to korea.

still, that teacher should not have resorted to yelling or physical means although i can see why he did. i think there should be some crash-course korean language and culture for foreign teachers/employees in general. he should've known what "niga" meant.

idk too many circumstances and deep-rooted beliefs to change anyone right now. it'll take some time, but i think korea will slowly become more open too other cultures and races.

Date: 2011-09-11 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmrawr.livejournal.com
please ignore all the grammar/spelling errors omg.

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Date: 2011-09-11 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzzzzzzzzzz.livejournal.com
Honestly no matter where u go, ur bound to confront some racism. Its a sad reality even in the most diverse cities.

In Toronto, i once had a lady yell at me to fuck off n im pretty sure it was cuz im Muslim.
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Date: 2011-09-14 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m00bs.livejournal.com
China is crazy, people stared and even took my picture (I felt kinda like a celeb, people wanted to have a picture with me, even some European tourists there...) Recently, staring is happening a lot to me in Germany and it really ticked me off (and still ticks off my host parents) before but I've gotten used to it. The kids are so cute, they don't understand the fact that I'm American. The kids honestly think I'm German, I love that they're not saying "she can't be German, she doesn't look like me" and instead they say (when I'm talking English) "SPEAK GERMAN!!! I CAN'T UNDERSTAND, PLEASE!!! )':"

But, a real response, I agree completely. I think the reason why so many people are outraged is because Americans (at least in the Northern part of the US) are really polite about their racism (I think we invented the 'look once, of shit, they know I'm looking, look away, okay, it's safe, look again' and the 'subtly figure out where you're from, how long you and your family have been here and why' method) so these outward, blunt comments are really rude...? That's my theory.

To be honest, I think it's probably a loud minority of people who would say this. Most people just are out of their element when dealing with other races.

Date: 2011-09-11 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cher-ex3.livejournal.com
I don't condone this young man's type of behavior. BUT I UNDERSTAND IT.

Pretty much sums it up for me.

Date: 2011-09-12 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kellygreen.livejournal.com
A group of my friends and I (A Korean man, a Korean woman, a Guatemalan man, an American woman and me, a Canadian woman) were talking about this incident last night. After telling our horror stories about experiencing racism (both in Korea and abroad), we all pretty much came to this general consensus.

Date: 2011-09-11 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shintotchi.livejournal.com
I'm sorry, but this article made me only angrier at the guy who shouted in the Korean man's face. He was a teacher? Are you effing kidding me!?! Did he just do a Dr. jekyll/ Mr. Hyde or does he teach like that too? What I mean is, wouldn't you find it outrageous to see your teacher (highschool or even college) walking around in baggy pants with a backward cap? Wtf? Teachers are supposed to be discouraging that, and this guy is in Korea wearing that mess and being obstinate.

Like I said, he could've definitely been offended or insulted, but int he end he made himself look like an ignorant fool.

Racist dude 1 Offended dude 0

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Date: 2011-09-12 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anathema-switch.livejournal.com
Wait a second, how is that guy a teacher? of children...?
With all the stories one hears about English teachers in Korea, the AIDs/HIV test, etc why did they choose him? A guy with braids and "rocks."

I imagine that the stress of being scrutinized daily is impressive but I can't believe that others would say they understand him. What's a 60 year old guy going to do to him? nag?

Date: 2011-09-12 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lil-rach-angel.livejournal.com
What's so wrong with a guy wearing braids?

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Date: 2011-09-12 12:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schticklet.livejournal.com
Now this is an article - presents both sides of the argument and doesn't pinpoint a cause for the debacle, only shows the possibilities.
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