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The growing popularity of K-pop bands in Germany indicates that the Korean Wave may have finally made its way to Western Europe.

According to the VIVA Online Clip Charts, girl group 2NE1's recently released song "I Am the Best" ranked top of the charts this week. This was followed by "Mona Lisa," by boy band MBLAQ, and Beast's "Breath." Songs by 2PM, Super Junior-M and Big Bang also made their way into the top 100.

The VIVA chart is compiled by German music TV channel VIVA based on the number of downloads and music video hits the songs receive online. The station is equivalent in clout to MTV in the U.S., and is in fact now under the management of MTV following a recent acquisition and merger.

VIVA News reported on Wednesday that K-pop, a new force to be reckoned with in the mainstream music industry, has recently moved beyond Asia and into Europe. It said this is similar to what happened in the 1990s with Japanese music, when J-Pop became hugely popular around the world.
One of the key to K-pop's success, it said, is the attractive looks of its singers, many of whom have undergone cosmetic surgery.

"K-pop idol groups such as Beast, 2NE1, TVXQ, MBLAQ, Super Junior and Big Bang were modeled after boy bands and girl groups in the West," it reported. "Korean management agencies, notably SM Entertainment, discover young talents and nurture them into becoming highly successful groups. Many Korean groups are immensely popular in Japan, so they sometimes sing in Japanese."

Meanwhile, JYJ, another local boy band, has expressed its wish to hold a concert in Germany at either the end of October or in early November, the Korean Embassy in Berlin said.

"JYP Entertainment, which manages Wonder Girls and 2PM, is also considering holding concerts in Germany," it added.


Source: The Chosun Ilbo

Date: 2011-07-30 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvey.livejournal.com
K-Pop entering Europe is a good place to start entering the Western music world. it's where BoA and Seven should have put their efforts into than the States, and doing small club tours instead of expecting to hit it big right out of the gates!

it's better to gain momentum and build. i'm totally expecting a Super Show Europe this year. (i'm hoping for a Super Show North America though)

Date: 2011-07-30 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yeongwonnie.livejournal.com
despite the criticism towards SME, we have to admit they're always the first to & understand & know what should be done
SMTown in Paris helped them understand the importance of the European market & I'm almost convinced the press conference SJ are holding for their comeback will be about SS4 being a world tour this time with new cities in the world, mainly in Europe

Date: 2011-07-30 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devilstay.livejournal.com
Yes. I really think, that you can say what you want about SMEnt, but when push comes to shove, the man gets it right. I mean BoA didn't go great, so he went to Paris, he follows the right steps.

Date: 2011-07-30 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvey.livejournal.com
SMe has it's issues, but it is a business. they screwed up with BoA, but hopefully learned from their mistakes. you can't just enter a completely foreign market (especially a difficult one like the US) without any kind of marketing and drop a cd expecting it to do well.

even though people think the Wonder Girls failed, they had the proper idea of 1. hooking up with a bigger group then 2. a small club tour. they may not be a household name, but it got them more exposure. they are slowly building, hopefully they haven't lost too much momentum. honestly, i just think the haters on them expanding outside of Asia were butthurt they weren't putting the time in Korea cause they just wanted more Korean stuff.

SMe should really be thankful to those French fans for bugging them and highlighting that there IS an international fanbase outside of LA that is non asian. i think LA they saw it, but didn't really believe it. then the Paris campaign happened and they couldn't ignore it anymore.

The European market will help them continue to build, BUT they have to get rid of the midset of tossing away groups when they feel new younger faces are what is wanted. i think the European and North American market want groups that are a bit more established than noobies. Korea music, if they want to be in the western market need to find that balance between ideals in SK and ideals in Western brands.

since they mentioned Super Junior was going to do a press conference i felt it was going to be about a real world tour. they never did a press conference before during a comeback. plus the boys are excited (and i can't see them being excited about the concept clothes. lol).

hopefully i finally get to see Donghae in person.

Date: 2011-07-30 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yeongwonnie.livejournal.com
well I totally agree with you
I couldn't have said it better
Kpop, even if it succeeds, will forever be a specific "genre" for a specific (not that large but faithful) audience like someone said on your other comment & that's something they should also understand & keep in mind while "extending" the Korean wave

yeah! let's hope we can get to see them in person one day

Date: 2011-07-30 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devilstay.livejournal.com
I am SO waiting for a Super Show in Europe this year. I can't wait, as long as it's in Europe, I'll be there. I also totally agree with you, it's best to built momentum, and build a reputation, than just going full speed ahead, in my opinion if Kpop was ever going to succeed anywhere, Europe was always going to be the place.

Date: 2011-07-30 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvey.livejournal.com
due to the lultzy-ness of Kpop if it were to spread in anyway to North America, it has to conquer Europe first.

Date: 2011-07-30 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asth77.livejournal.com
If JYJ organizes a concert in France, I'd go.

Date: 2011-07-30 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goshipgurl.livejournal.com
no. just fucking no.
i dont want kpop in germany, and it wont be successfull. end of story. fucking get it, mainstream germany doesnt like boybands or girlbands.

and forever lol @ viva, they should just shut up. viva was good like a decade ago, now its only a trash channel with reality shows around the clock

Date: 2011-07-30 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goshipgurl.livejournal.com
successful*

preach girl

Date: 2011-07-30 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annhh.livejournal.com
Yeah, pretty much the western world has moved on from 2002. Only place where boy or girl groups still work is Asia

Re: preach girl

Date: 2011-07-30 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goshipgurl.livejournal.com
this
i mean there are a few girlbands or boybands trying to get big here, but the only ones that were quite successful were monrose, and they disbanded earlier this year. the rest is just irrelevant.
and even if, i dont think that germany wants to see some chinese people jumping around on stage singing in a language that they dont understand. lets face the facts, they dont care if those people are korean, japanese or chinese, they are all the same, and not english or german = dont care

Re: preach girl

Date: 2011-07-30 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taecyeons-teeth.livejournal.com
singing in a language that they dont understand
ngl, most of the people who are into all the mainstream music don't understand the meaning of most of the lyrics, even if they're in English. Or they just don't give a f, so... but I agree, everything else is classified as either Chinese or gay. /sad truth

Re: preach girl

Date: 2011-07-30 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goshipgurl.livejournal.com
well its right that they dont care about the lyrics, but they can still sing along. take a look at the most successful songs in europe now, mr. saxobeat, party rock anthem, sweat or give me everything are all not lyrical the best songs, but they are catchy and everyone can sing along. while in korean you can only sing the english words and mumble the rest

Re: preach girl

Date: 2011-07-30 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taecyeons-teeth.livejournal.com
Good point. That always reminds me of this "girl, you make me feel suicidal" or w/e song that used to be in the charts a while ago, everyone sang along happily to it while I was just shaking my head at people's ignorance about this matter.
I do think they'd release songs with more English parts, if they were to release stuff here, kinda like they do in their Japanese songs.

Re: preach girl

Date: 2011-07-30 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goshipgurl.livejournal.com
wtf? never heard of this song before, do you have a link to it? o.O
they need to release the songs in full english, or else people wont even listen to it, kinda like the wonder girls did with their songs. im not a fan of 2NE1, but it was a good idea to release "cant nobody" in english. same with rania's "dr. feel good", or even miss A with "love alone". but then again, is it still kpop when the songs are completely in english..? i think what makes kpop unique is the korean language.

Re: preach girl

Date: 2011-07-30 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taecyeons-teeth.livejournal.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTz5xjmso4 this one...
I totally agree with your last sentence, it would be a bit of a shame if they were to release English songs only here, because in the end they'd be like some random group, just that they're all Asian. Or imagine them singing in German lololol... but honestly, even if they don't make it big here, I wouldn't mind them stopping by for a concert or two :3

Re: preach girl

Date: 2011-07-31 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goshipgurl.livejournal.com
ooooh you mean beautiful girls
lol i never really liked this song, listened to it once years ago and thats it. but wtf @ the lyrics
SNSD singing oh! in german would be a bit random, since oppa sounds the same like opa (grandfather).. yeah.. granddad i love you.. lol why not
i also wouldnt mind a few concerts here in germany, but that doesnt mean that they have to start a second-career here. just play a few shows for us fans here and thats it, go back to korea and produce good music again.
on a side note, far east movement had success with G6 but that only because people didnt even know that they were asians. thats another point here, people dont really care for certain groups or artists, they only care about the songs. the whole fanculture like korea has died years ago. so even if, lets say 2NE1, would release a good song in english here people would only listen to the song and not pay attention to the artist.

Re: preach girl

Date: 2011-07-31 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taecyeons-teeth.livejournal.com
lmao oppa is the one word ALL German speaking people probably giggle over when they hear it the first few times... at least I did XD
That's my point, I'm all in for a few concerts and such... plus, I'm a bit of one of those people who prefer to keep their oppas to their small (and fairly sane) fanbase instead of sharing them with the (not so appreciating) public audience :P
Hmmm, I guess so, idk. Some of them would have to work on their accents, though XD

Re: preach girl

Date: 2011-07-31 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goshipgurl.livejournal.com
lolol me too, i was like "oppa?? whos oppa?"
I'm a bit of one of those people who prefer to keep their oppas to their small (and fairly sane) fanbase instead of sharing them with the (not so appreciating) public audience
same here.

Date: 2011-07-30 08:12 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-07-30 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bumie.livejournal.com
great , keep the good job kpop .

Date: 2011-07-30 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miumiu18.livejournal.com
I am aware that the chance of success of K-Pop groups in Germany might be minuscule but.....JYP IN GERMANY OMG!!!! THERE IS A CHANCE THAT I MIGHT SEE 2PM LIVE IN THE NEAR FUTURE!!! I'M SO ~ESSITED!!!

Date: 2011-07-30 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvey.livejournal.com
i should also add that success is relative. not expecting kpop to be number one on the any European chart...Kpop in the west will be like alternative or specific audience. not generally for the masses.

fans and these companies need to realize that. it can work. but it will/can work in a different way.

Date: 2011-07-30 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabledlamb.livejournal.com
This sfm. This isn't really about building up a mainstream force to be reckoned with (as that TV channel would like to believe, that chart was really just voted for by a few internet-crazed kpop fans, sorry to say). But like visual kei and jrock in the US and Europe, kpop could become successful as a niche genre with a small but dedicated following. The Korean entertainment companies won't be making any big money in those markets but probably enough to make flying over there for concerts and promo events pay off.

Date: 2011-07-30 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvey.livejournal.com
exactly! the money won't be there...maybe enough to cover costs but you get the prestige/bragging rights which these companies seems to love.

there is only one group that i could think of to make some noise (not a lot but at least one hit wonder if not two) on the North American mainstream charts realistically. and that is 2NE1.

note i'm not a 2NE1 stan, but i was listening to their music last summer and realized that they, (even in a language i do not understand). was better than more than half of the music playing on the radio. their songs are danceable, and fun. two things though would need to be tweeted 1. stop getting plastic surgery cause it's making them look weird and 2.if they sing in english they will need better lyrics.

Date: 2011-07-30 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabledlamb.livejournal.com
Yes, 2NE1 are edgy and unique enough even in comparison with American artists so they could do relatively well in the US or Europe, especially when they are introduced as electro pop artists and aren't stamped with the 'kpop girl group' label.

But lol I agree, they would definitely have to find someone who can write better, less cringeworthy and eyeroll-inducing lyrics :P

Date: 2011-07-31 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvey.livejournal.com
the cutesy girl groups would not survive anywhere near mainstream. SNSD could have if they were younger and were hooked up with Disney.

you picked the perfect word. edgy. that is where the market has moved to right now.

Date: 2011-07-30 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitsujiga.livejournal.com
wtf i don't care about the viva-shitfest but jyj in germany would be ossm!!!! *O*/
if i can see my not-oppars and -unnirs i am happy. i don't care if they are a big hit or get shown on tv. i'm not watching tv anyway XD

Date: 2011-07-30 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aniloratka.livejournal.com
"JYP Entertainment, which manages Wonder Girls and 2PM, is also considering holding concerts in Germany," it added.
OMG PLEASE PLEASE COME TO GERMANY ;_;

Date: 2011-07-30 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miszmba.livejournal.com
THIS. I hope this isn't just all talk :)

Date: 2011-07-31 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aniloratka.livejournal.com
I think thanks to SM TOWN in Paris there is a big chance that we will have another kpop event in Europe (hopefully with some JYP Nation artists ;p)

Date: 2011-07-31 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miszmba.livejournal.com
I'd only really care if it was JYP or Big bang maybe.

Won't keep my hopes high though :P

Date: 2011-07-30 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiminikaeru.livejournal.com
seeing 2pm live would be a dream come true but idk if i want to see them here in germany lol

Date: 2011-07-30 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taecyeons-teeth.livejournal.com
I doubt they'd make it to the top of the charts, it would probably be the same as with J-Rock: loyal fanbase and some people casually being interested, plus some media attention for being ~different~/~exotic~, but never completely taken serious in this business.

I wouldn't mind JYP in Germany, though 8D

Date: 2011-08-03 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pammiej85.livejournal.com
German JYJ fans have been trying to get them to hold a concert there for a while now. They must be happy about this.

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