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Lee Soo-man, the founder of SM entertainment, gives a speech on “CT (culture technology) and Hallyu” during the “2011 SM TOWN in Paris” writers and publishers conference at the Paris Marriott Rive Gauche Hotel, Saturday.

Lee reveals know-how of Hallyu

Lee Soo-man, the founder of SM Entertainment, the nation’s largest talent agency, said that the secret of success for Korean artists in the global market is the long-accumulated culture technology (CT), during the “2011 SM TOWN in Paris.”

Addressing the attendees of the writers and publishers conference at the Paris Marriott Rive Gauche Hotel, June 11, he introduced the theory of CT which was a concept he created in the mid-90s in order to break into other Asian markets.

“I knew back in the 90s that CT would play a bigger role than IT (Information Technology). CT is a much more sophisticated and complicated solution. SM makes music through theoretical and systematic CT. The whole process of making the trainees into a ‘jewel’ is CT,”
said Lee.

At present SM selects many would-be pop stars through global auditions. After screening applicants the company operates the simulation of how the voice and the appearance of the trainees would change in three to seven years. Then they go through the company’s nurturing system called “In-house training.”

According to Lee, CT contains all kind of aspects of making a star from making the music to putting on make-up. The key point is that the entire process is done systematically.

He also introduced the three-stage development of Hallyu, also known as the Korean wave, based on his CT theory.

He said that the first step of the development is to export a cultural product, second step is to expand its presence in the market there through teaming up with local entertainment companies and singers, and finally to create a joint venture with local companies to share with them the know-how of CT and the added value generated from it.


“‘Made by’ is more important than ‘Made in.’
The third step of Hallyu stars could be an artist of Chinese decent but would be produced by SM’s CT,” said Lee.

Concerning the Korean wave spanning Asia and SM’s recent successful debut in France, the application of Lee’s unique theory into developing artists proved to be successful. According to a revenue audit report announced by the Financial Supervisory Service at the beginning of this year, local entertainment agencies like SM, YG and JYP Entertainment enjoyed great cash rewards. All three companies reported record revenue of a combined 150 billion won ($138 million) last year.

However, until recently the companies had been struggling to extend their success beyond the Asian market. As an example, JYP’s U.S. subsidiary, represented by Wonder Girls who entered the Billboard Top-100 rankings with their U.S. debut song in 2009, reported a loss of 3.6 billion won last year, following a 4 billon won loss in 2009.

Song Seung-hwan, producer of the Korean cultural export Nanta, made clear the struggle of Hallyu in western markets was from a lack in the quality of their music, during an interview with The Korea Times.

“For a cultural product to be successful, you need two factors. One is uniqueness and the other is universality. You cannot be successful just with the uniqueness. Korean music has its own uniqueness but lacks in the level of its universality. The composers of Girls’ Generation’s hit songs are not Korean. They are Europeans. I think songs written by Korean composers are still insufficient to be successful (in the western market),” said Song.

English composer Alex James made the group’s mega-hit songs like “Run Devil Run,” “Hoot,” and European team of composers “Design Music” composed “Tell Me Your Wish.”

Source: Chung Min-uck @ The Korea Times
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Date: 2011-06-12 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asiapopsecret.livejournal.com
This. I was just thinking that the other day. The problem is, most American's don't like this style of pop anymore. This type of pop was popular back in the mid to late 90's. (BSB, Nsync) Plus, unless their English is flawless, America will not be interested. u_u

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about Britney

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Date: 2011-06-12 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hypothermal.livejournal.com
i really have to agree that he's a genius at marketing though

almost every single one of the concepts that sm has put out with their groups have been successful to a certain degree, same goes for the majority of the other korean entertainment agencies

the other asian markets (like taiwan) lack marketing talent like what korean companies have. right now, anyway

Date: 2011-06-12 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anconeous.livejournal.com
THIS. Say whatever you want about SME, about Lee Soo-man is just amazing at what he does.

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Date: 2011-06-12 03:46 pm (UTC)
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I still think that there is a unique loyalty system in Japan/Korea, especially considering the entire concept of "idols" isn't relevant in most places anymore. The audience in most countries simply would not react that way. Also, SME depends so much on teenage girls, IDEK.

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Date: 2011-06-12 03:52 pm (UTC)
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Alex James...from Blur???

Date: 2011-06-12 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] porandojin.livejournal.com
Alex/Alexander James who has been producing songs for SNSD is not Alex James, the bassist of blur. Alexander James is a pop producer working mainly for artists signed with Peter Torres Management.

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Date: 2011-06-12 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deeinanutshell.livejournal.com
"I think songs written by Korean composers are still insufficient to be successful (in the western market)"

Teddy, Kush, Big Tone, and dareIsay GD could all write to appeal to the western market. Also whoever wrote "Abracadabra" and some epik high songs.

Date: 2011-06-12 04:09 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2011-06-12 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devilstay.livejournal.com
LSM is a genius, when it comes to doing what he does.

I don't care what other people are saying about kpop in the west, I just know that SMTown in Paris was a success and that LSM said if it went good he'd have others in London/Germany. I just came to say....LONDON PLEASE! I want to see it again! Everybody was simply amazing!

/Also people need to stop getting so worked up about idols debuting in the west. If it happens, it happens but at the moment LSM is obviously really concentrating in China.
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Date: 2011-06-12 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinn1e.livejournal.com
Human mp3 player that malfunction every 5 years.


"Asia and SM’s recent successful debut in France"

LOL, one concert with 3-5k attendees isn't what I call successful compared to the population of the country.

"I think songs written by Korean composers are still insufficient to be successful (in the western market)"


LOL, this whole article explains a lot about lack of creativity from SME lately.

Date: 2011-06-12 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitsujiga.livejournal.com
it's maybe not successful for sm as a whole but about 10k attendants on two days (representing not only france but the whole of europe) made it possible for sm to eventually HOLD this concert. otherwise we would still be waiting in vain for years. he may not earn money from this a lot but he can slowly try to build a niche market in europe as well as in america.

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Date: 2011-06-12 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kyuhyunss.livejournal.com
HE IS THE MAJOR REASON WHY I HAVE AN IRRATIONAL HATE FOR SM. >:(

Also, my poor SuJu and SNSD. :"(
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Date: 2011-06-12 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinn1e.livejournal.com
I remembered 5-6 years ago, I first saw his pic and I suddenly have the urge of wanting to punch him, still to this day. Idek why, and I'm more confused when fangirls said he looks lovingful... Yeah.

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Date: 2011-06-12 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maple88.livejournal.com
Regardless of being a crappy management company (although this is also the fault of the industry, to an extent), SME is a kick-ass scouting, training, producing and marketing company.

Date: 2011-06-12 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitsujiga.livejournal.com
mte on all accounts bb :)

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Date: 2011-06-12 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jela-ow.livejournal.com
After screening applicants the company operates the simulation of how the voice and the appearance of the trainees would change in three to seven years. Then they go through the company’s nurturing system called “In-house training.”

“‘Made by’ is more important than ‘Made in.’ The third step of Hallyu stars could be an artist of Chinese decent but would be produced by SM’s CT,” said Lee.

I feel uncomfortable at how idols are treated as products that need to have new features every now and then. Of course it can't be helped since it is a business but I just feel so uneasy that they're purposely seen as that idk idk. Also, all this "the point is, it's a process" stuff is making me think about Geng and JYJ and how they seem like glitches in the still-being-perfected technology that SM says they use. I know it's just me but ugh... lol I feel like I'm not making sense.

long comment is long. sry lol

Date: 2011-06-12 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinn1e.livejournal.com
LOL, at the glitches. Bugs in the program. Bet you they're working on an anti-virus / bugs detection program at the moment.

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Date: 2011-06-12 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moronicus-kyla.livejournal.com
LSM is one of my personal idols ♥ The man's a marketing and product development badass.

Date: 2011-06-12 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thewarpedmelody.livejournal.com
"SM makes music through theoretical and systematic CT."
You mean SM buys music through theoretical and systematic CT?

Not trolling but "secret of success for Korean artists in the global market" I don't really see this happening. I think its just the Korean news articles keep exaggerating every little thing Kpop artists achieve. I would say its the Korean news articles that contribute to the secret of success for making Korean artists look like they're successful in the Global market.

Date: 2011-06-12 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaejoong.livejournal.com
Exactly.
A two day concert w/ a not-sold out venue of 5K automatically=conquering Europe.

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Date: 2011-06-12 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rinn1e.livejournal.com
I feel bad for the groups in SME, for being call products that can be replaced when malfunction after every 5 hardworking years. And the fans that don't care because their bias will be fixed by a magical IV drip when the product suddenly went blank and shut down.

LSM is a genius at marketing, but without the pre-teens, naive selfish fans, he wouldn't be successful. I always wondered why he stick to the young generation more than the one that grow old with his products that has jobs and actually contribute to the sales, then I remembered the malfunction after 5 hardworking years. They're obviously worn out and can't be used, so he has to invest and make a new product for a new younger generation that can easily be brain washed.

The one who lose in the end is the products.

Date: 2011-06-12 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kyuhyunss.livejournal.com
...another reason why I hate SM.

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Date: 2011-06-12 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devilstay.livejournal.com
I also want to say that if idols are ever to be successful outside of Asia, than it isn't just a case of idols having to adapt to the west, it has just as much to do with the western screwed and narrow perception of Asia, that has to change to.

I also honestly think that whether or not idols debut is the west, give it a couple of years, and sooner or later, most people will know some form of kpop,the same way that anime/manga is known pretty much everywhere, it isn't mainstream but basically unavoidable. I also think that eventually random kpop songs on certain music channels will appear, why? Because the west will see, that kpop has a sub-culture in their countries and want to cash in on it, Why? Because music is a business.

Date: 2011-06-12 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thewarpedmelody.livejournal.com
LOL Jpop and Jrock has been trying to break into west for decades, the closest getting to break into mainstream is X-Japan currently. I wouldn't say Kpop can break into the west anytime soon. Kpop also probably seen how US 'killed' many top Korean artistes at their time like BoA, Se7en and Wonder Girls when they tried to debut into US mainstream.
I would advise Kpop to take their time and to brush up their standard in the meantime. Start having original songs(Write own songs with a Korea touch instead of buying same American-influenced songs), start to have bands that can last through a decade, start to improve domestic industry(Now they're struggling to even hit 50k in Korea).
Take their time to improve like Jpop so that they can last instead of being like a wave, gone in a second.

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Date: 2011-06-12 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orenji13.livejournal.com
Yups.. He is a genius marketing.
Just compare the group that he made and the current president groups achievement.

And that's why he also face more problem than the other company, cause he refuse to see his artists more than just a 'mere' product. Like he said, he made them, so he own them..

Date: 2011-06-12 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mirotic-mor.livejournal.com
I never remember... was SNSD 'made by' him? I know HOT, Shinhwa, DBSK & SuJu were his products' and SHINee & F(x) LYM's, but idek about SNSD.

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Date: 2011-06-12 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-life-defiant.livejournal.com
LSM is an evil genius who knows how to sell and market products. Whether it's right or wrong, you can't deny that he's very business savvy. If he were really smart, he would focus on the product he already has - fine-tune and enrich it - instead of being hell-bent on creating more. Quality, not quantity, is what will last in the long run.

I think songs written by Korean composers are still insufficient to be successful (in the western market)

This has a lot to do with cultural differences. We just don't view things the same. Which is to be expected, we are on opposite sides of the world. If they could get some writers that really knew how to crack into the mind of the Western music market then they would really have a shot.

*kanye shrug*

Date: 2011-06-12 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oonalala.livejournal.com
"If they could get some writers that really knew how to crack into the mind of the Western music market then they would really have a shot."

I think they also need to stop thinking there is such a thing as a singular Western music market. The US, European, South American markets and tastes are different. I don't know that you can take a mass-production approach and expect it to consistently sell in the various western markets.

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Date: 2011-06-12 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erbalurbal.livejournal.com
All companies see their talent as products. They might pretend they are family and all that but when the product stops selling, they get dropped.

I really don't see the hallyu wave going farther than a few concerts in other countries. They can try all they want by attaching themselves to big names but it will never go as far as they want it to go.

Date: 2011-06-12 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stopthedisco.livejournal.com
All companies see their talent as products. They might pretend they are family and all that but when the product stops selling, they get dropped.

I was going to say this as well.
The whole "Oh look, I care about my artists too, we're a happy family who works together!"-thing from the CEOs is a product to sell as well.

If they weren't seen as products there wouldn't be stupid limitations such as no dating or going somewhere without the company's permission.

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Date: 2011-06-12 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oonalala.livejournal.com
So SM is the McDonald's of the music world? Carefully calibrated, consistent, brilliantly marketed, mass produced for middle of the road tastes? I know idols are generally manufactured products, but this just seems so calculated and disappointing. Creative brilliance comes with the risks of producing utter failures too. SM isn't taking any risks.

Date: 2011-06-13 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deeinanutshell.livejournal.com
This is the main problem I have with kpop. I feel like everything fits in some perfect equation. Like, whatever happened to creative integrity and novelty?

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Date: 2011-06-12 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mirotic-mor.livejournal.com
LSM, I think your marketing is precious, ideal, w h a t e v e r, for mainstream korean pop. You get great short-cuts, 5-years lived idols that bring money to the industry and then you can invest the profits in new 'products'. The LSM-produced groups are LEGENDS (H.O.T., Shinhwa, DBSK) and then you have SuJu, arguably the most 'sucessful' group in the local market nowadays. (I still consider it was a great help that back then, the market wasn't flooded with 5 new groups)

But, dear, I'm afraid this Hallyu is just that, a mechanically produced wave.
A wave doesn't produce a permanent displacement of anything. A wave rises rapidly and falls as fast, leaves anything behind and can be easily replaced with other wave.

Music is an art, isn't systematic, clean, pure. Music has its failures, flaws, that make it wonderful and make you feel something. Make people connect with it. I don't have any imprint of your music in my soul, I can't relate to them, nor feel really or anything. Are your lyrics remarkable? I wonder.

Maybe, your groups will be remembered in a few years and people will be all "oh gawd, do you remember this song? I jammed the shit out of this for a few weeks!" and then "Do you know what happened with him/her/them? I haven't seen him in ages!"
And that's all. But that's the mainstream pop, isn't it?

Date: 2011-06-12 08:25 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2011-06-12 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayumikoshiro.livejournal.com
K-pop is essentially the same as Disney stars here but on a wider scale. instead of having 1 channel where they can showcase their talent they have 3. Plus Korean artists have more access to their fans via variety shows, making of the band, and the slew of cf's they do. I think it's 2 different versions of the same system like SM said it's about marketing a product (the individual stars) while Disney seems to market their channel (Disney as a whole). So while SM wants SNSD to have a forever young/idol image and be forever associated with their image, while Disney is like when we had Miley she was cute and pure but now she's grown and has nothing to do with us anymore Disney is still young/innocent Miley is something else.

The other huge difference is the cultural aspect. By the time Disney stars turn 18 they are ready to jump out of the Disney cute cuddly image and go sex sex sex I'm all grown up now. While in SK even Tony Ahn still has that cute image attached to him and they really isn't seen as a different artist. Kpop idols seem to be more forever idols whereas Disney people are like child stars evolved into mainstream artists.

Date: 2011-06-12 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sundrunk.livejournal.com
this man STARTED hallyu..

korea wouldn't be where we are right now without him

his process is a little vague.. i want more details

Date: 2011-06-12 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yeongwonnie.livejournal.com
as much as I hate the man I have to admit he's a genius at what he does
& this article is also the reason why he scares the shit out of me. he treats his artists like products & doesn't even blink at openly saying it to the whole world so imagine what happens in the inner walls of the firm!

his CT theory might be a success but I believe that sooner or later it's gonna backfire.
he might be the best, he might be the reason why my beloved SuJu exist but I won't ever forgive him what he did & still does to them (& to all the other SM artists that is)...

Date: 2011-06-12 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] groovydawg.livejournal.com
It's all centered around a personality cult imo.

If I was North Korean, SNSD's my Kim Jong Il.

I wasn't lulled into Kpop for the music (there are exceptions of course) but otherwise, the general marketing of the persons appealed more.

Date: 2011-06-13 07:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost-whisper.livejournal.com
very much so, lol.

Date: 2011-06-12 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baboboy.livejournal.com
I love this man

Date: 2011-06-12 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] epona.livejournal.com
I wonder how many of these people saying they hate LSM even know what he does.
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