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There’s been a big jump in the popularity of the already much-followed Korean pop music (or K-pop) in Japan over the past year—a trend that’s being attributed to ‘cooler,’ more talented (thanks to a more vigorous training regiment) and more individualistic Korean female pop groups, especially compared to their Japanese counterparts.

I recently spoke to Robert Michael Poole, CEO of Something Drastic International Music Promotion and Tokyo editor at CNNGo, about this phenomenon. Poole follows K-pop closely and has interviewed some of the country’s biggest acts, including 4Minute, 2NE1 and Brown Eyed Girls, and has also worked with Big Bang.

Who are the Japanese fans of K-pop?
Attending K-pop shows in Japan, I’ve noticed that the majority of the audiences are young girls, not boys. This can be seen as a pop culture reflection of actual social trends. In Japan during the last few years, men have become increasingly homely, effeminate and passive, including the so-called herbivores, and they also have much less interest in sex. Women, on the other hand, are getting stronger and are feeling more independent.

So, Korean girl groups appeal to increasingly independent young women in Japan as role models, while local acts aren’t cutting it anymore?
Yes. The Japanese pop market has typically been all about cuteness, presenting boys with the ideal submissive girl to treat like a doll rather than lust over. But for the girls, they’ve represented the role model that they’re supposed to be.

So the Korean boom of girl groups has coincided with the aforementioned social malaise. The K-pop groups are the tonic that the girls in Japan need—new role models that show it’s cool and attractive to be strong-minded. Japanese girls, and I’m still generalizing here, see the K-pop groups as looking to the future, and J-pop groups as being old Japan, dated. They want to be like the K-pop group image put before them, and the confidence they see in those images is what they aspire to.

Will the Japanese music industry follow the K-pop example and start catering more to their young female consumers?

The J-pop industry couldn’t create a K-pop style group, because Japanese girls being that edgy would be seen as wholly un-Japanese. It’s likely a J-pop group of that type would be sidelined.

It seems girl groups in Japan have actually become increasingly cuter, younger and presented as servants (maids being the ultimate example), with the likes of AKB48 and their many copycats. These appeal to the guys in Japan as their dream partner. As for the K-pop groups, I think because they are non-Japanese, it’s subconsciously OK for Japanese guys in general not to like them and feel good about that, since they are considered outsiders.

Many suggest that another reason K-pop is rising in popularity in Japan is because Korean pop stars are simply more talented. Are they?

Yes. Musically, the K-pop groups are light years ahead, the groups are far better trained and choreographed and they take their cues straight from the US, while J-pop is still stuck in the late 1990s musically, regurgitating the same sounds.

The K-pop group girls are put through tough auditions. I’ve seen the audition tapes of some of the biggest bands around, and there’s no doubt some have real talent. In J-pop, image and cuteness is taken into account far above actual ability, and even when there are amazing vocalists (such as Alan), they are shoe-horned into the regular cute, pretty J-pop girl image. Some of the K-pop groups were even self-formed (Brown-Eyed Girls), then signed, as opposed to manufactured. That’s not to say that much of the music they release is created by them as original product—it’s still pop after all.



So should the Japanese music industry be afraid?
I'd say so. It’s a wake up call. In 1999 J-pop woke up from a slumber of dance dirge when several new female acts appeared simultaneously and freshened things up—Ayumi Hamasaki, Utada and MISIA in particular. But 12 years later, those are still the big acts around, and there’s been no further step forwards musically in the mainstream pop world. The only other acts that have made it big have been clones of those three. Think Kumi Koda/ ICONIQ, or the treadmill of Johnny’s boy bands. Even the popular group EXILE has toned down their R&B in favour of placid convenience store-friendly pop. The K-pop boom is a warning that J-pop is outdated…and has been for a long time.

You've met and interviewed both Korean and Japanese mega star pop groups. What are some things you noticed as different about the two?
Very little, in fact. The face of the K-pop groups is that they’re independent, feisty and forthright. But this is largely marketing and smokescreens in my opinion. The music is much better than what J-pop is doing, and girls of K-pop probably enjoy their work more than the J-pop singers, but all of the K-poppers that I’ve met and spoken to are either the same nervous, submissive and young girls super-controlled by their management, or just regular Korean girls with little to say. So personality wise, there’s no difference.

The only difference might be in expressed ambitions, in the sense that the Korean girls always talk about conquering Asia or the US, but Japanese acts never say that, and usually say they want to please their fans in Japan only. They are afraid to take a risk. But personality wise, they are largely just young girls with little to say, under the thumb of the management that pays their salary. Some of them are also Korean Christians too, so their real lives are not nearly as raunchy and wild as their public image might suggest.

Source: Ulara Nakagawa @ The Diplomat
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Date: 2011-03-07 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaemin0.livejournal.com
that hara & the girl from akb48 (?) (don't kill me if she's not, i'm not good with jpop) pic
and 'i'm so happy. my new friend is so pretty' LOL forever makes me LOL.

Date: 2011-03-07 06:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kazu-kumaguro.livejournal.com
to be fair Hara's face looks fake there, I would blame the make-up though.

they have to write those kind of bullshits all the time, don't blame them too much, she might wrote that while doing her essay or something.

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Date: 2011-03-07 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] forevrseptember.livejournal.com
my reaction while reading this:

:o

Date: 2011-03-07 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c0rin.livejournal.com
Mine too.

Date: 2011-03-07 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piemin.livejournal.com
hmmmmm... artists like crystal kay or fukuhara miho don't need much of a change tho, i enjoy their music.

j-pop girlbands, how many times they try to be cute, they still look fake. and that's what they need to learn from k-pop, at some points. jussaying.

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Date: 2011-03-07 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lamely46.livejournal.com
Um, both Jpop and Kpop stand out in many many ways, so no need to compare them imho.

Date: 2011-03-07 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asuka-roses.livejournal.com
ia. they both have negative and positive sides to them, I see them as equals tbh
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Date: 2011-03-07 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eotfofyl.livejournal.com
Poole acknowledges that he is speaking in generalities - I think it's more interesting that K-pop girl groups are described as being more strong-minded and independent.
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Date: 2011-03-07 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shikinluv.livejournal.com
No disrespect intended but this article was bullshit when it was posted at Arama and it still is.

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Date: 2011-03-07 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danceinthedark.livejournal.com
So much factually wrong in this article, I can't even.
Edited Date: 2011-03-07 05:37 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-03-07 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matsuzy.livejournal.com
whatever, outdated or not its still more stable than k-pop.. take ukiss for example :( </3

Date: 2011-03-07 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maple88.livejournal.com
It's probably also more stable cuz Japan doesn't have boyband members being carted off to the military, and that Koreans seem to have shorter tempers or be more emotional than the Japanese.

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Date: 2011-03-07 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eotfofyl.livejournal.com
Shocking news that any differences are largely the product of marketing strategies.

Date: 2011-03-07 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cookiedealer.livejournal.com
this again?
Music is not better or worse. It's just personal preference. Yes, J-pop might sound cheap and boring to my ears but I'm not everyone and clearly that Poole guy is not everyone either.
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Date: 2011-03-07 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valentinekent.livejournal.com
wow march really does have all of the big names! that's incredible

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Date: 2011-03-07 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steeele.livejournal.com
ehhhh ok..

Date: 2011-03-07 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sjuminuter.livejournal.com
just here to say that hara looks pretty in that pic. kthanxbye.

Date: 2011-03-07 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yami-akyouru.livejournal.com
that`s why I`ve never been into pop :x

Date: 2011-03-07 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taecish.livejournal.com
can we not

Date: 2011-03-07 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] simneesee.livejournal.com
Very interesting article. But very generalizing as well.

Date: 2011-03-07 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yaoidemon.livejournal.com
poor c-pop :( never in the mix *I like all three*

Date: 2011-03-07 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nijigirl-us.livejournal.com
They are all different^^ I like some cpop. I definitely think ppl should check them all out. As well as many different kinds of european music. It's like trying foods from all over the world^^

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Date: 2011-03-07 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nijigirl-us.livejournal.com
There are some very very good singers in japan, but the pop scene is not great.
I started w/ jpop and then switched to kpop due to better dancing, better live performances, stronger vocalists and more elaborate songs.
I still enjoy jpop coz it has its niche sound, but I do wish the singers - male ones in particular - received more vocal training and improved their choreography. There are a lot of good dancers in japan. It's a shame that dancing doesn't usually find its way into jpop performances.


Date: 2011-03-07 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nandexdame.livejournal.com
"but I do wish the singers - male ones in particular - received more vocal training and improved their choreography"

I'm sorry, but what are you listening to?

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this looks tl;dr in my comment box but w/e

Date: 2011-03-07 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiku-cha8-8.livejournal.com
I'll only speak about the last paragraph. Kpop in general has always been about conquering Asia/the rest of the world. It's related to the whole hallyu movement and maintaining Korea's presence outside the country.
Japanese culture for the most part appears a lot less inclined to talk about conquering things. That seems related to Japan's more modest society---they are just as prideful about their achievements as Korea, but don't speak of it as often because they want to maintain their modesty and all that jazz. This can technically be applied to agencies/companies as well, but of course I'm generalizing as a whole. There are outliers in every case.

I'm no expert about Japanese/Korean society and this are merely what I get from reading articles and being part of different fandoms. But this so called expert should know that, and that it's not because so-and-so is afraid to take risks.
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Re: this looks tl;dr in my comment box but w/e

Date: 2011-03-07 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danceinthedark.livejournal.com
There's also the fact that the Japanese music industry is one of the biggest in the world and doesn't need to head outside of the country to make profit.
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Gurl, calm down.

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Re: Gurl, calm down.

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Date: 2011-03-07 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 831panda831.livejournal.com
umm, yeah ok ,
I think the fact that jpop music doesn't sound like every other song on the radio should give it some credit. I listen to both kpop and jpop so I really don't see the point of com paring the two , especially when they aren't even in the same language.

also , thank you omona for not being like arama about this article.

Date: 2011-03-07 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bamboolover.livejournal.com
Only worthy reading is the last question and answer. It's all about marketing.

Date: 2011-03-07 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] terge-18.livejournal.com
It's so obvious that whoever wrote this is KPOP biased.
Bashers have no place in the fandom if they know what's good for them. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and every opinion could be expressed in a way without bashing anyone. Sheeeesh.

and most importantly, updated or outdated, the last one standing would always be the winner, because that's what's important when you're in this kind of industry..and from the worlds' point of view, for now, I think we know which side is steady and stable.

Date: 2011-03-07 05:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kazu-kumaguro.livejournal.com
BEG is self formed?

as for music style K-idols are just as generic as J-idols, AKB might even have more differ songs than kara.

Date: 2011-03-07 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pumpkinskin.livejournal.com
yeah I believe Jea went around getting all the girls

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Date: 2011-03-07 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gabucha26.livejournal.com
here we go again....
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