JYJ-KARA Situation Episode By 'Sisa Magazine 2580' Accused Of Bias

[locofruitcake.livejournal.com]

MBC's 'Sisa Magazine 2580' released a report on the dispute between idols and their entertainment agencies but has fallen under a concentrated attack by JYJ fans. These fans of JYJ claim that the program was adjusted with a strong bias towards the entertainment agencies before it was aired.

On the 30th, 'Sisa Magazine 2580' aired an in depth report on the disputes between idols and their entertainment agencies as Kara's proclamation to end their contract with their agency has brought up the controversy once more. The episode had garnered great attention before it aired for it was known that it would deal with JYJ's situation as well, as they have been unable to appear on broadcasting channels due to their legal dispute after the disbandment of TVXQ.

However, many viewers expressed their disappointment after watching the show. Currently, complaints are flooding into the viewers' thread. Viewers are showing their anger at the show stating, "You said you would handle the situation in a fair manner, but all you did was show the viewpoint of the strong side," "If you're going to report the situation in this kind of way, what makes you any different from the way entertainment shows are run?" "So what you're trying to tell us is that it takes a lot of money to raise idol groups," "You've done nothing but show the side of entertainment agencies," and "This is a biased report."

There are netizens demanding a fair report on the matter as SM Entertainment's opinion received more air time in an interview with a SM representative while JYJ's refutation was hardly shown. JYJ are holding the stance that they are not signed on to a dual contract as C-JES, the company in charge of managing JYJ, is their agency and not their entertainment company.

Some netizens have even criticized 'Sisa Magazine 2580' for randomly promoting a rookie girl group in the middle of the episode though they are not related to the report's content whatsoever. While CEO Kim Kwang Soo was explaining that it is hard for entertainment agencies to gain profit when so much of the sales is spent on costs, the camera caught 'Five Dolls' rehearsing. 'Five Dolls' is the female unit group of 'Co-ed' that is preparing for their comeback.

Prain's Head of Department Lee Jae Eun expressed her disapproval on her personal Twitter account when she stated, "They state that they will air a fair report but the amount of airing time the strong received compared to the weak is... Sigh..."

She continued to show her disappointment of the footage that was cut as she said, "In the interview, JYJ stated, "What's most important is forming trust between artistes and their agencies. This new entertainment system will create a system of transparency that builds on a foundation of trust. We want to be treated like humans, not just objects to be sold in the market.""

Micky Yoochun, Xiah Junsu, and YoungWoong Jaejoong, who garnered explosive popularity in Asia as members of TVXQ, filed an exclusive contract suspension injunction against SM Entertainment in July, 2009 claiming that their contract was unjust. Afterwards, JYJ restarted their activities but have been facing troubles when it comes to appearing on broadcasting channels due to their legal dispute with SM.

 

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[lovelysasusaku.livejournal.com]

I'm sick of this whole drama already. Can the companies just give in please?

[rosetta16.livejournal.com]

"So what you're trying to tell us is that it takes a lot of money to raise idol groups,"
I think that something people need to take account of
If a group that a company has invested so much money on it is not popular or sell bad, the other trainees in the company could be affected by it since there wouldn’t be money for them.
This groups are not making money just for the company and them but to help future singers to

[locofruitcake.livejournal.com]

But it shouldn't be the responsibility of the popular groups/singers to "raise" the unpopular ones.

Yes, a cut of the profit should definitely go to the company in order to sustain the business (inclusive of all the trainees/unpopular groups) but it shouldn't be at the expense/major disadvantage of the popular ones.

The responsibility of taking care of the trainees doesn't lie on the shoulders of the popular singers. The onus lies on the company. If you can't afford it, don't over-invest.

[rosetta16.livejournal.com]

If they don’t invest they wouldn’t be new singers and the dreams of so many people will be left like only dreams
And yeah I’m not saying it should be all on their shoulders but they help making other peoples dream true, give people that want to be singer the opportunity to train to be one.
Like them, they were train by the money of other artist

[locofruitcake.livejournal.com]

TBH, no one really slaves away at a job because of the thought "I must feed my co-workers too".

I'm sure to a certain extent they'll put up with a lot because of the friendships they forged in the same company, but there's a limit to everything & while it should be taken into consideration, it shouldn't be a standard that these artists have to live by.

Whether or not their "dream" were fulfilled by other people's money, no party in the contract who earned all that money did it out of goodwill. Everyone's out there working hard because of their personal interests and when the going's good, everyone reaps the benefits. That's just the way things are really.

[rosetta16.livejournal.com]

ahh maybe im to naive

[rosetta16.livejournal.com]

or just stupid............

[apricotvodka.livejournal.com]

don't call yourself that. Always be positive.

[cindelius.livejournal.com]

If they don’t invest they wouldn’t be new singers and the dreams of so many people will be left like only dreams
Sorry to sound callous here, but oh well. Invested money = time and effort for these companies. Maybe if companies stopped producing so many rookie groups and really invested their money (time and effort) in training and supporting/advocating fewer groups, they would see more longterm success. They've inundated their own market to the point where I need a chart in order to figure out who's who and have stopped caring ... quality control has been lost, imo.

For those companies that fear losing artists to other companies, perhaps you should reconsider the way that you treat your artist while they're under your company. If you're treating them with respect and like an equal, they tend to have a more genuine loyalty and enthusiasm toward their activities than when they're forced into a corner. There are a few artists who switch labels in America for contracts that pay more, but there are far more who stick with their labels for very long durations without unnecessary slave contracts being in place. If you make your company the most appealing to work under, you don't have to worry so much.

And yeah I’m not saying it should be all on their shoulders but they help making other peoples dream true, give people that want to be singer the opportunity to train to be one.
The ratio of successes to failures is too low to make this fair. Big companies need to rethink their business strategy on what it takes to train an artist and how many artists they're willing to train at once.

Like them, they were train by the money of other artist
Change has to start with someone, and whoever it is will always be one of those who benefited from artists who came before them. It doesn't mean that change isn't needed.

[avieyal.livejournal.com]

They've inundated their own market to the point where I need a chart in order to figure out who's who and have stopped caring ... quality control has been lost, imo.

Exactly. I watched the 2010 SBS Gayo Daejun the other day with my buddies, and as the person responsible for introducing Kpop to them, I was the one asking "Who is this?" over and over ^_^"

[shuumi-miss.livejournal.com]

Well said.

[cher-ex3.livejournal.com]

Maybe if companies stopped producing so many rookie groups and really invested their money (time and effort) in training and supporting/advocating fewer groups, they would see more long term success.

Bingo! I think we've got it!

[askbask.livejournal.com]

Fair treatment is fair treatment is fair treatment. It's the bosses' responsibility to make money without taking away the basic rights of an employee.

[rosetta16.livejournal.com]

how can i not agree to this

[shuumi-miss.livejournal.com]

Yes, it takes a lot of money to rise idols groups, but it's a bussines not charity, which means that it's is an investment and, like in every investment, exists a risk and the possibility of succed is much more lower than failing, and EVERY company knows that. So there is no validity in this argument that the popular idols have to give their money to the company for it to rise its trainees, the company have to expend its own money (gained through fair contracts with its artists and other investment) to raise its idols. Now, if they want their rookie groups to pay with his works after debut what was invested in them while they were training and during the first promotion (in general the most expensive), then that's another history, but once the rookie have paid this, that's all. Once a group/artist have debuted and, if you want so, paid to the company the cost of his/her raising, they make money just for her/him and for the company, he she/ doesnt have any resposibility in how the company invest what its earns from him/her.

[831panda831.livejournal.com]

basically , this. >:/

[shinyflex.livejournal.com]

lol

[askbask.livejournal.com]

Core Contents have really established themselves as giant assholes through this ordeal.

[locofruitcake.livejournal.com]

Seriously. IDEK why the dude thinks he's a voice of authority. SMH.

Now that I think about it, I find it odd that CCM is also producing Tears Of Heaven since Junsu is in it & is an investor. Hmm.

[lydzi.livejournal.com]

Yes, I believe they really have. Worst company around here and seeing how I don't have a gram of respect for SMEntertainment (and actually most of the companies around), that's saying something.

[kyurein.livejournal.com]

is CCM desperately seeking attention by having to butt in the dispute where they are totally unrelated to it? What a desperate move to promote.

[ashiva.livejournal.com]

I'm forever surprised that Cassies and Kamelia haven't arranged egging of CCM CEO. Also I'm always amused how they keep bringing up whole "how much it costs to train idols" when talking about JYJ case, when DBSK probably made their training costs back within few months after their debut.

[ur-a-funny-1.livejournal.com]

I'm always amused how they keep bringing up whole "how much it costs to train idols" when talking about JYJ case, when DBSK probably made their training costs back within a few months after their debut.

omg THIS. seriously, if you look at what and how DBSK are paid, it is so ridiculously low and completely improportionate to what they're making! and yeah, i can understand a low pay rate while rookies (though even then, i think the rate they had/still have is too low), as they're not making much in the first place and need to pay back their fees, but to still have incredibly low pay even 1 or 2 years after is completely unreasonable, and considering how long DBSK have been in the business, it's about time to raise the pay!

seriously. and it's not like the companies are doing anything completely extraordinary or different by investing in an employee. I mean here in Australia, it's extremely common for businesses (if you're a good employee) to pay for your university fees, undergraduate and/or graduate (in most cases if you sign a contract saying you'll work there x-years), and any other training/traveling/activities that incur a cost. These employees are not forever being payed a completely unfair rate, they are paid the exact salary someone in their position is supposed to recieve, and there's none of these ridiculous ideas of being eternally grateful to the company for paying their fees, especially when, in a case like DBSK, they have long since repaid any "debts" and are literally making the company millions!

/rant. sorry :D

just end this already..

[avieyal.livejournal.com]

I guess they're trying to censor out the 'slave contract'/unfair treatment parts before anything is set in stone later in March.

What do these companies expect? They give them hope, training, and equip these singers with state of the art resources and facilities..but deny any rights to any of the songs they make and basically stunt them from growing as musicians?

They're SINGERS. Thats got to hurt their soul at least a little bit. And when that's hurt, its not going to matter what clothes they're in, what car is leased for them, or how glamorous they're made out to be.

This kind of censorship might only make it worse for the company's public image. They could've done a closer edit, maybe only take out the part where JYJ actually say the words "We want to be treated like humans, not just objects to be sold in the market.", for example, and leave the rest of the statement intact.

[hitsujiga.livejournal.com]

what else is new? :O seriously asking...

[chiaki95.livejournal.com]

This is getting seriously boring ! Everybody should just STFU ...

[izabera.livejournal.com]

you can feel the sheer desperation of these companies.

yes we know training idols costs money, but we're not so gullible and naive as to accept that means idols should be denied the dignity and basic rights all workers are entitled to.

[ghost-whisper.livejournal.com]

Regarding it being expensive in an idol system:

You don't drain the blood of your successful group groups to make up for your mistakes with other groups. It is a fact of the entertainment industry that sometimes a company will send out a group that isn't as successful as they hope - just as ALL companies will sometimes engage in a venture that isn't as successful as they hope, whether that is starting a new store, or releasing a new product. It is the responsibility of the *company* to put thought into what they venture, rather than doing things haphazardly, and - moreover - to not soak money into an endeavor that they can't afford failure in. Either way - it is an inefficient and poor business practices that grind the life out of it's people in order to make up for it's own failures.

In the end, this isn't going to protect the future of entertainers - or anyone in any industry. It's just going to resign them to companies that do what they want because the pressure is off the management to take responsibility for it's workers.

Hopefully the public gets more and more vocal about being given one sided stories and such. This has dragged on long enough, and when everyone knows info is being hidden from them it's kinda shooting yourself in the foot to keep doing it - doesn't exactly improve your image.

[ur-a-funny-1.livejournal.com]

You don't drain the blood of your successful group groups to make up for your mistakes with other groups. It is a fact of the entertainment industry that sometimes a company will send out a group that isn't as successful as they hope - just as ALL companies will sometimes engage in a venture that isn't as successful as they hope, whether that is starting a new store, or releasing a new product. It is the responsibility of the *company* to put thought into what they venture, rather than doing things haphazardly, and - moreover - to not soak money into an endeavor that they can't afford failure in. Either way - it is an inefficient and poor business practices that grind the life out of it's people in order to make up for it's own failures.

i completely agree! (as seen in my little rant of a reply above lol)

[fallenfigure.livejournal.com]

eh
i feel bad for ppl under CCM tbh

[aj-123.livejournal.com]

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When will this shit end. I really wish they would have aired what Junsu said, why bother interviewing if your going to cut the important parts, but you now who they didnt cut? those big wigs who added their two cents. Dont interview them if in the end your just going to be bias. Im sick of all this mess!

[pistolkrystle.livejournal.com]

sounds like welfare

[yuukihitohira.livejournal.com]

seriously?




dslkjfhalsdkjh I'm getting so sick of this shit, ide. March come quick please.

[queefing.livejournal.com]

the trainee system is an idiotic business practice that needs to be retired. i feel no sympathy for business who lavishly rack up expenses for no discernable results in their products. i mean how much won was needlessly used in training suju for example?

i suspect a major reason companies don't get rid of the failure of a system is causes idols to feel indebted to their companies and skews the balance of power in the company's favor. companies can hold the false claim that "they made them" over idols heads forever and justify all sorts of shitty treatment.