i thought i shoulda been creeped out by that, but i think with his laughter it was a joke/crack at how himself - he obviously knew something like a relationship with taeyeon would be impossible
The part with the uncle fans learning the dance is cute. The rest is just creepy.
There is a very big difference in the psychology of men and women and that's why I feel uncomfortable about this.
Older women tend to look at younger men as little brothers or sons. Of course some older women are cougar types but they seem to be a minority.
These 30+ male fans creep me out because I doubt they look at SNSD girls as little sisters or daughters. Some of the photos of the girls (for instance the lollipop ones) have some erotic undertones. Pardon me for being crude, but I felt I was looking at masturbation material.
No and also I don't blame the girls for it, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them feel uncomfortable with the image they are made to portray. The blame lies 100% with their management. LSM was very open about the kind of fans he wanted to attract with SNSD and SHINee.
I just wish they had a different image because the one they have now bugs me so much. IDEK how to explain this, I feel comfortable with the overt sexuality of The Grace but uncomfortable with SNSD because their image is associated with unhealthy fetishes IMO. Then again, they're raking in the cash so I doubt LSM will change a winning formula.
Just wanted to say that I agree so much. I didn't see it as masturbation material, but I find their 30+ fans creepy too. The way they were looking at her baby photos? D:
Older women tend to look at younger men as little brothers or sons. These 30+ male fans creep me out because I doubt they look at SNSD girls as little sisters or daughters. THIS.
Thissssss. The sexuality of The Grace is just... normal, vanilla. The image of SNSD feeds into the lolita/barely legal/sexy schoolgirl stuff that, tbh, makes me really uncomfortable :/
Older women tend to look at younger men as little brothers or sons.
Well, these guys are called samchon fans - which is uncle/mother's brother, as opposed to ahjussi which is still uncle but more like mister. But, yeah, the darned son-in-law comment wrecked that a little...
I think it's sweet, actually. Obviously some are in it for the pervin', but then that samchon fan group did the thing with getting them an ad in the paper for their birthday(s); if all they wanted was to get a glimpse up a young girl's skirt, they could've just gone home and watched porn. I guess they just want to feel fun/young at heart.
The dance part was cute/hilarious. Wtf at zooming in on that one fan's bum.
It got creepier with the second part, but I think that's the stigma against older men trailing after younger women in general. I mean, I try to think about how I would feel if an older female fan went to visit Su's dad's pizza shop, and for some reason that didn't bother me as much.
I think the part here that disturbed me most was looking at her baby pictures. Idk why exactly. xD
cassies are creepier. at least these guys don't go around stalking the girls from rooftops or wherever it is that cassies get those strange photos/fancams.
You should see their fanvids of the girls. All images focused on their chests or lower regions. Seriously. No jokes. Men will always be creepier than girls.
I dunno if they are still on Youtube or not, but I really DID see it with my own eyes (30 secs was all I could take, and the vids were like around 6-8 mins long). Seriously, one of those fancam vids from a fanmeeting was just focused on Tiffany's cleavage. No jokes.
Yeah...SNSD's male fans are really creepy. Like Japanese Otaku creepy. At least Cassies don't focus on body parts...And they are not grossly older either. Older men liking younger girls are only interested in one thing, and one thing only. Disgusting, but true.
Older men liking younger girls are only interested in one thing, and one thing only. kind of OT, but I wish my friends would realize that :( I'm 15 and I wish my friends would stop trying to date guys in college because ~oh he's just the only one who really ~GETS~ me you know, he's so deeeeep~.
*cringe* Sweetheart, I'm in college. Only about 5% of guys in university are "deep", and they are usually my profs, or guys who are even older than me and take English lit or Religious studies. Men in university can be very...dull, depending on their department, honestly. And you get so disgusted with college guys after you find them passed out drunk in the front lawn of your house with puke all over them. >_>;
Guys who want to date girls your age who aren't your age are really just one thing: pedophiles. >_>; Once again, sad, but true. If any of the guys I knew wanted to go out with girls your age, I'd probably break their legs.
I know this :( I don't date...in general, because, well, no one wants to date me and if they did well, most boys my age are... very idiotic. My friends approach to this is to, instead, date college guys, who end up breaking up with them once they realize they're not gonna be getting any.
But they do focus on body parts. ^^; I've seen a millions shots of Jaejoong's chest, Junsu's butt, Yunho's tummy, etc. And female fans are more likely to invade the boys personal space (Junsu has said his butt gets grabbed almost anytime he goes through the airport lol).
Most of Yunho's fans are older and about 60% of their Japanese fans (or at least when they first debuted there) are much older women. & you're sadly mistaken if you think women stop being interested in sex just because they're older! XD
Women are sexual creatures, too, perverted, yes. But after all the papers and books I've read about pedophilia, I've seen too much of the facts and research and stories to think women are prone to pedophilia the same way men are. It's a moral issue with me. Double standard, but whatever. I just think it's sick sick sick for men that age to flail over girls old enough to be their daughters. Especially considering the flagrant amount of sexual abuse that goes unreported in Asia. Old men should just not fanboy little girls, in no way at all, period, end of sentence.
I get older women liking younger men, I think it's just as sick, but I still think it's different. I mean, I love SHINee, they're puppies, but I think us "noonas" have that alarm in our head that goes "DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!" when we remotely think about them inappropriately. At least, that's what happens with me: my brain keeps telling me that I'm old enough to be Taemin's mother, though we're only like five years apart. I see SHINee, my maternal instincts kick in full force. And I think and hope that's partly true for older fans of male groups.
In a way, it's rather a double standard~ just because you get older, doesn't mean you stop appreciating a nice bod on someone of the opposite sex. Just because they're younger, doesn't mean you can't be attracted. At the same time, even though it really shouldn't work that way, it's just so much creepier when it's older guy-younger girl than older girl-younger guy, I guess because you think about a guy being able to force her and whatnot~ like the jdrama Majo no Jouken, that was older girl younger guy, and she was his teacher on top of it, and it was about them finding freedom and understanding through each other, age completely irrelevant, and how society failed to see that, and it was gorgeous and sad and real... at the same time, I'm sure I would've been a LOT more squicked out/uncomfortable if it had been older guy and younger girl. The teacher thing I always thought was pretty stupid.
ANNNNNNNYway, these guys are indeed cute/creepy. But her parents seemed used to it~ until the son-in-law comment, anyway.
Honestly. It pisses me off immensely that Soshi antis bash them for appealing to older guys, but SHINee's first song was Noona nomu yeppo, why does nobody care about them appealing to older women? Does not compute.
Because in society, you just don't see/hear about older women raping younger boys, whereas you hear about older men raping younger girls more often. And thus, people connect the latter to ahjusshi's/SNSD much more easily.
Yep, that was what I meant in my original comment when I said "...even though it really shouldn't work that way, it's just so much creepier when it's older guy-younger girl than older girl-younger guy, I guess because you think about a guy being able to force her and whatnot~"
I get it, I just think it's unfair on these guys a little. I'm sure some of them are paedos, sure, but if all they wanted was to maybe catch a glimpse under their skirts or whatever, they could just go home and watch porn. But they do things like buy them ads in the paper for their birthdays~ *shrug* I was squicked out by this vid where Soshi performed on some show, so the fans were really close to the stage, and there were these ahjussis in suits cheering and it was like ickh, go home to your wife, dude. But then I read this thing I think on the Soshi soompi thread about middle-aged Korean ahjussis being statistically the most stressed group in the world, and how this samchon fan heard their Him Nae in his car one day and it gave him strength and energy... and now I feel rather sorry for them.
You don't hear about it because it's not reported (or even seen as a bad thing). It's like when a male teacher gets in a relationship with a female student. If he's caught he'll most likely go to prison, but if a female teacher is caught she only gets a couple weeks of house arrest. How is that fair? A woman can take advantage of a young male just as easily as a man. :/
It is creepy to see a guy getting all sweaty over the sight of 17-19 year old SNSD girls, but how is it any different than girls getting all worked up over 17 year old Minho? Just a couple weeks ago (in this comm) girls were looking at Minho's Juliette preview pictures and talking about all the naughty things they'd do to him. I don't see the difference.
I'm not saying that there's a difference. I see that gross too. That's why I couldn't even finish watching SHINee's new MV without feeling disgusted, lol. But I was just answering gogomoksori's question. :3
Though I disagree that "a woman can take advantage of a young male just as easily as a man". Yes, she can, but do you hear about it? Maybe you do't hear about it because it just doesn't happen as often. Not because it doesn't get reported. I've heard reports of older female teachers getting caught with younger guys though, but compared to the number of older males assaulting young females, it's a much wider ratio.
I think it's because of the power dynamic between women and men :/ even to this day, men are generally in more powerful place than women (getting payed more, better jobs, more respected) and add a huge age difference in there and it seems like the power dynamic in the relationship is skewed even more than it usually is :/
They're no more extreme than female fans so why is it not okay? Simply because they're male?
For me at least, yes. If they were the same age as the girls, fine. Any older is just off. I mean, if my oppa or dad or whatever liked a group of little girls like SNSD, I'd probably have a freaking fit.
This was kind of amusing and less creepy than I expected. These guys are a little less creepy than Japanese otaku, I think. Simply because they act half normal and dress normally. But still a bit weird I dunno. If I'm still listening to Kpop when I'm 30, I hope I'm not like this? Hahaha.
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Date: 2009-05-23 07:29 pm (UTC)Korea's version of an otaku.
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Date: 2009-05-23 07:44 pm (UTC)I think what was creepy was the dude who was like "What do you look for in a son-in-law?" D:
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Date: 2009-05-23 09:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-23 08:01 pm (UTC)i hope when i'm in my mid to late thirties and fanwomaning over the latest kpop boy bands, people won't think i'm sad / a pervert :(
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Date: 2009-05-23 08:07 pm (UTC)What a friggin' creeper.
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Date: 2009-05-23 08:37 pm (UTC)There is a very big difference in the psychology of men and women and that's why I feel uncomfortable about this.
Older women tend to look at younger men as little brothers or sons. Of course some older women are cougar types but they seem to be a minority.
These 30+ male fans creep me out because I doubt they look at SNSD girls as little sisters or daughters. Some of the photos of the girls (for instance the lollipop ones) have some erotic undertones. Pardon me for being crude, but I felt I was looking at masturbation material.
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Date: 2009-05-23 09:50 pm (UTC)But that's not really the samchon fan's fault, is it?
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Date: 2009-05-23 10:15 pm (UTC)The blame lies 100% with their management. LSM was very open about the kind of fans he wanted to attract with SNSD and SHINee.
I just wish they had a different image because the one they have now bugs me so much. IDEK how to explain this, I feel comfortable with the overt sexuality of The Grace but uncomfortable with SNSD because their image is associated with unhealthy fetishes IMO.
Then again, they're raking in the cash so I doubt LSM will change a winning formula.
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Date: 2009-05-24 01:06 am (UTC)Older women tend to look at younger men as little brothers or sons.
These 30+ male fans creep me out because I doubt they look at SNSD girls as little sisters or daughters.
THIS.
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Date: 2009-05-24 04:18 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-23 10:21 pm (UTC)I really really don't look at taemin and minho as little brothers. but then again, i'm not that much older than them.
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Date: 2009-05-23 10:46 pm (UTC)Well, these guys are called samchon fans - which is uncle/mother's brother, as opposed to ahjussi which is still uncle but more like mister. But, yeah, the darned son-in-law comment wrecked that a little...
I think it's sweet, actually. Obviously some are in it for the pervin', but then that samchon fan group did the thing with getting them an ad in the paper for their birthday(s); if all they wanted was to get a glimpse up a young girl's skirt, they could've just gone home and watched porn. I guess they just want to feel fun/young at heart.
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Date: 2009-05-23 09:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-23 09:52 pm (UTC)It got creepier with the second part, but I think that's the stigma against older men trailing after younger women in general. I mean, I try to think about how I would feel if an older female fan went to visit Su's dad's pizza shop, and for some reason that didn't bother me as much.
I think the part here that disturbed me most was looking at her baby pictures. Idk why exactly. xD
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Date: 2009-05-24 12:18 pm (UTC)Guys who want to date girls your age who aren't your age are really just one thing: pedophiles. >_>; Once again, sad, but true.
If any of the guys I knew wanted to go out with girls your age, I'd probably break their legs.no subject
Date: 2009-05-24 09:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-24 11:05 pm (UTC)Most of Yunho's fans are older and about 60% of their Japanese fans (or at least when they first debuted there) are much older women. & you're sadly mistaken if you think women stop being interested in sex just because they're older! XD
(btw icon twins! lol)
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Date: 2009-05-24 11:26 pm (UTC)I get older women liking younger men, I think it's just as sick, but I still think it's different. I mean, I love SHINee, they're puppies, but I think us "noonas" have that alarm in our head that goes "DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!" when we remotely think about them inappropriately. At least, that's what happens with me: my brain keeps telling me that I'm old enough to be Taemin's mother, though we're only like five years apart. I see SHINee, my maternal instincts kick in full force. And I think
and hopethat's partly true for older fans of male groups.no subject
Date: 2009-05-25 01:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-23 10:29 pm (UTC)PEDOPHILES!
End sentence.
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Date: 2009-05-23 10:42 pm (UTC)ANNNNNNNYway, these guys are indeed cute/creepy. But her parents seemed used to it~ until the son-in-law comment, anyway.
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Date: 2009-05-24 01:21 am (UTC)The double-standard between male and female fans is really annoying. :/
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Date: 2009-05-24 11:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-24 01:12 pm (UTC)That's how I see it.
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Date: 2009-05-24 01:28 pm (UTC)I get it, I just think it's unfair on these guys a little. I'm sure some of them are paedos, sure, but if all they wanted was to maybe catch a glimpse under their skirts or whatever, they could just go home and watch porn. But they do things like buy them ads in the paper for their birthdays~ *shrug* I was squicked out by this vid where Soshi performed on some show, so the fans were really close to the stage, and there were these ahjussis in suits cheering and it was like ickh, go home to your wife, dude. But then I read this thing I think on the Soshi soompi thread about middle-aged Korean ahjussis being statistically the most stressed group in the world, and how this samchon fan heard their Him Nae in his car one day and it gave him strength and energy... and now I feel rather sorry for them.
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Date: 2009-05-24 10:55 pm (UTC)It is creepy to see a guy getting all sweaty over the sight of 17-19 year old SNSD girls, but how is it any different than girls getting all worked up over 17 year old Minho? Just a couple weeks ago (in this comm) girls were looking at Minho's Juliette preview pictures and talking about all the naughty things they'd do to him. I don't see the difference.
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Date: 2009-05-25 12:42 am (UTC)Though I disagree that "a woman can take advantage of a young male just as easily as a man". Yes, she can, but do you hear about it? Maybe you do't hear about it because it just doesn't happen as often. Not because it doesn't get reported. I've heard reports of older female teachers getting caught with younger guys though, but compared to the number of older males assaulting young females, it's a much wider ratio.
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Date: 2009-05-24 11:52 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-24 01:37 am (UTC)They're no more extreme than female fans so why is it not okay? Simply because they're male? :/
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Date: 2009-05-24 05:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-24 11:29 pm (UTC)For me at least, yes. If they were the same age as the girls, fine. Any older is just off. I mean, if my oppa or dad or whatever liked a group of little girls like SNSD, I'd probably have a freaking fit.
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Date: 2009-05-24 02:02 am (UTC)