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Seven groups' solo time measured
Even with just four seconds of singing, a singer nonetheless?
Average 16 seconds per person, less than one-tenth of a song.
Cases of no solo part, only repeating the refrain
Parading looks-stage presence, mass-producing "goldfish singers".


"The Beauty of Four Seconds."

This is the snarky label from the Internet for Heechul, member of an idol group Super Junior who only has four seconds of solo singing time in "Sorry Sorry," the title song for the group's third album. Together, there are 13 members of Super Junior who sang this song. Since all 13 divide up a single song, each member can call himself a "singer" after singing for only four seconds.

Lately there are increasing cases in which solo parts of a song last no more than a few seconds, as the number of members in the idol groups such as Super Junior, Girl's Generation and After School increase. This is contributing to the pop culture in which those who rely on looks or conversation skills are considered "singers" regardless of their singing abilities.

Idol Group Members Sing 16 Seconds on Average

According to Dong-A Ilbo's measurements of solo parts, seven idol groups (Girls' Generation, Super Junior, 4minute, After School, Infinite, MBLAQ, f(x)) appearing on MBC's "Show Music Core" (July 10), SBS's "Inkigayo" (July 11) and KBS's "Music Bank" (June 25), sang for 16 seconds per person on average. Because a song lasts around 3.5 minutes on average, each member of those group sang less than one-tenth of a song, excluding the chorus.

Among the groups, Girl's Generation (singing "Oh!") had the shortest solo parts, averaging 9.4 seconds per part. The main vocal Taeyeon sang for 22 seconds, while Seohyeon's solo parts -- two lines consisting of "oppa look at me, just look at me" and "listen, really" -- amounted to 5 seconds. When After School sang "Bang!", members Nana and Lizzy had no solo parts; instead, the two sang together for 8 seconds. Jooyeon's solo part -- "The heart-thumping night, my heart is oh oh oh oh" -- lasted 4 seconds.

Infinite, singing "Come Back Again," had the greatest time differential among the members' solo parts. While the main vocal Kim Sunggyu sang for 29 seconds, Lee Sung-Jong, Lee Seung-Yeol and L sang for 1, 3 and 4 seconds respectively. The words that Lee Sung-Jong sang alone were four letters (다 거짓말 "all lies"). Lee Seung-Yeol only had the line, "Feels like I'm going to die, my head hurts." Lee Young-Joon, director of Infinite's management company, said: "It is not that the members have different singing abilities. It is more the case that the process of assigning the solo parts while taking the tone of this particular song into consideration made the parts of certain members relatively smaller."

As individual singing is increasingly obscured through the lengthened chorus and the shortened solo parts, certain bloggers have taken to uploading videos of live performances with pre-recorded background music edited out, then proceeding to evaluate the singers.

No Shame in No Singing

Yoona of Girls' Generation, in "Family Outing 2" aired on SBS on June 27, said: "We can't go longer than ten seconds (on solo parts)," and that her part is five letters. (말하고 싶어 "I want to say.")

Since his debut, Heechul cumulatively sang 39 seconds of all Super Junior title songs; Yoona of Girls' Generation, 42 seconds; and Nicole of Kara, 45 seconds. Instead of being embarrassed, they appear to treat this as a fodder for laughter. In MBC's "Radio Star" aired on June 30, Jung-ah, member of After School, was a recipient of a joke from MC Kim Guk-Jin that she was "amazingly, a main vocal." Jung-ah only responded by laughing and half-heartedly singing one line of a song. Goo Hara of Kara, whom music fans have pointed out for lacking singing ability, invited further criticism by only repeating the refrain "hallo hallo hallo" in Kara's new song "Lupin," released February of this year.

Music critic Im Jin-Mo said, "If there is only a few seconds of solo parts, a singer will naturally practice less singing -- which is what singers are supposed to do," and noted, "Another problem is that members with less solo parts will feel excluded, which hurts the teamwork of the group, shortening the group's lifecycle." Music critic Kim Jak-Ga said, "The more idol groups -- who do not put much emphasis on singing -- there are in the pop world, there is less room for singers with real talent."


Source: Dong-A Ilbo
Article Translated by The Korean

Edited TV show + song titles, as the translator used literal translations of the titles (ex: "The Family is Here" instead of "Family Outing"). ALSO! Sorry if I messed up the spelling of some of the names on the chart. I don't follow all of these groups so I'm not too familiar with the preferred romanization. Sorry ):
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Date: 2010-07-28 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faister.livejournal.com
~SHOCK AND AWE RN~

Date: 2010-07-28 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faister.livejournal.com
WHY DOES SEOHYUN HAVE THE LEAST LINES IN OH? D: she probably liked it since she hated the song.

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Date: 2010-07-28 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pluhzee.livejournal.com
Seriously lol....

It's obvious that some of the members of those bands are not really here to sing and were not casted because of their singing abilities...

Now who would be nice enough to show me the performance of Infinity and point me where the guy who sings 1 second actually sings?

Date: 2010-07-28 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nudrive.livejournal.com
1:04 ish tah geojitmal [sp?] bit

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Date: 2010-07-28 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nudrive.livejournal.com
Obviously they're gonna make the better singers sing more and tbh different members have their unique personal talents

I'm not saying it's fair.

But what else can you expect?

Date: 2010-07-29 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] booksandsarcasm.livejournal.com
I think they're expecting a group in which every member can sing.

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Date: 2010-07-28 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amberr21.livejournal.com
Since his debut, Heechul cumulatively sang 39 seconds of all Super Junior title songs

Hmm...interesting. I felt like he got a lot of solo parts when they first debuted, though, so I'm almost inclined to say that 39 seconds might not be accurate. But, I guess you never know.

Also, I didn't realize Hyuk had the longest part in "No Other." ^^ I'm ok with that. He's finally getting featured. ♥

Date: 2010-07-28 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddangkkoma.livejournal.com
lol hyuk gets so long because he has a rap part in it. he gets his own few seconds XD

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Date: 2010-07-28 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chachanchan.livejournal.com
Heechul holds the crown. He pretty much brags about it. lol

Date: 2010-07-28 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cuekey.livejournal.com
Wow, Luna sings so much of NU ABO. And I'm slightly surprised that Sulli sings a bit longer than Krystal does.
At least everyone in SuJu has a decent part and it's more distributed than Infinite. :o

Date: 2010-07-29 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pynzrz.livejournal.com
amber wasn't there, and luna sang all of her parts... so minus ~10 seconds

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Date: 2010-07-28 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] analapana83.livejournal.com
Well logically.

Date: 2010-07-29 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silver-might.livejournal.com
OMG there is such a thing in kpop? O__O

lol

Date: 2010-07-28 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nandexdame.livejournal.com
Wow, some guy in Infinite has 1 second? LOL, that's sad.

Date: 2010-07-28 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goddess1819.livejournal.com
How exactly do you sing for 1sec?????

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Date: 2010-07-28 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dinobunny.livejournal.com
20star - WHAT WILL YOU DOOOOO?
D:

Date: 2010-07-28 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddangkkoma.livejournal.com
i have come to the conclusion that the songs will have to be at least 6 min long for everyone to sing at least 3 sec.
and maybe some will be like kiseop in ukiss and only dance and not sing

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Date: 2010-07-28 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crazyxcami.livejournal.com
"The more idol groups -- who do not put much emphasis on singing -- there are in the pop world, there is less room for singers with real talent."

sad but true~

Date: 2010-07-29 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ghost-whisper.livejournal.com
yeah true - on the other hand, the most successful rookies this year have been ones who can actually sing (Miss A, CN Blue) so talent isn't falling completely by the wayside.

Date: 2010-07-28 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ddangkkoma.livejournal.com
i do not believe that hyoyeon sings more than seohyun :/

and mblaq seems pretty well rounded

Date: 2010-07-28 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turdferguson.livejournal.com
well that's kpop for you.

Date: 2010-07-28 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] getting-jiggy.livejournal.com
why would they pick a performance that Amber wasn't at out of all the Nu ABO performances?

Date: 2010-07-28 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seekin4therapy.livejournal.com
Image (http://es.tinypic.com?ref=2m6aeqq)




but not really.

Date: 2010-07-28 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seekin4therapy.livejournal.com
MBLAQ seems to be the most well rounded in this list.
Good for them :)

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Date: 2010-07-29 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nijigirl-us.livejournal.com
Ryeowook's voice is high-pitched, but he manages to make the most out of it =P

Date: 2010-07-28 11:49 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-07-28 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iheartomntd.livejournal.com
it's kpop what do you expect.

Honestly though I'd hate to be an idol. crazy fangirls, crappy hours, and unless you have a successful concert, really crappy pay.

Date: 2010-07-28 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crypticbluerose.livejournal.com
sunny sang more than tiffany?

Date: 2010-07-28 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tnl12345.livejournal.com
and even Jessica!!!
I would never expect that.

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Date: 2010-07-28 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tnl12345.livejournal.com
I am shocked! SHOCKED!!!!
Image


WAIT! Sulli has more line than Krystal inn NuAbo?
When I watch F(x), all I see/hear is Krystal and Luna.
Maybe because they always put Krystal in the middle.

Date: 2010-07-28 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dorawa.livejournal.com
sad that hyoyeon gets more time than seohyun, when seohyun can actually sing and hyoyeon.... well, lol

Date: 2010-07-28 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joyjooong.livejournal.com
all the talent went to dancing lol

ilh though

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Date: 2010-07-28 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kpop-arsenal.livejournal.com
DAH GOTIMAL!

Date: 2010-07-28 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] danceinthedark.livejournal.com
Poor Jong bb, but the fact is his voice doesn't really suit that song. Plus at least he's the lead and center (at least I'm pretty positive it's him)on Endure.

Date: 2010-07-29 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairistiona.livejournal.com
Endure? Entrust, right? ^^ He has so many lines in that song. :)

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Date: 2010-07-28 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paigeeybby.livejournal.com
Okay not saying this is ~okay~ that a poor boy only got 1 second, but. Wtf do they expect the groups to do? Record 10min long songs so everyone gets more? idgi

Date: 2010-07-29 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] booksandsarcasm.livejournal.com
I don't know. I think they could focus less on having people do solos in songs and just pair them up together with the strongest vocal supporting the weaker ones rather then the weaker ones just getting less time. They can have solo songs on the album and that would rack up the minutes for them. Not all the singers have to have solo songs or parts in songs at once but knowing that it also means you can distribute the time to make sure that everyone eventually gets their turn? idk.

Date: 2010-07-28 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obeytheempress.livejournal.com
victoria never seems to get enough lines :(
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