Lisa performs "LALISA" on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon

[rose-potion.livejournal.com]

Source: The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon YouTube


I can't help it and see a dance for a mascott because of the arms movements and static legs. She looks fabulous as always though.

Comments

[lydzi.livejournal.com]

She looks positively amazing. The prettiness jumped out. I enjoy the song while she performs it. It's not something I'm going to listen to by myself but it's ok.

[babycheeses1.livejournal.com]

I feel like the dance is catered to the Tiktok crowd. Man Tiktok really is slowly killing killer choreography huh (this moment was brought to you by oldmanshoutsatcloud.gif)

[rennehollic.livejournal.com]

I don't understand these new trends.


In my days things we simpler 😂

[suggestivepeach.livejournal.com]

Well she did say that she was excited for fans to be able to dance along, and there’s no doubt that dance trends going viral helps a song in popularity. Ive seen comments saying that she should have gone harder w the choreo but I definitely think this is a smart move on her part.

[rennehollic.livejournal.com]

I get the point of the choreo. It makes good tik toks, more people will do it and more attention it will get.
Still don't like the song, but she was born to perform, so I want to see how she'll do it in future shows

[ohmylol.livejournal.com]

She is a good performer but I don't think she is the best as her fans want her to be, I think dance wise someone like Momo or Seulgi are better, also this just shows that BP need to be a group because by themselves they are very one note, for me the best solo has been Rosé's only because she made something completely different to BPs usual style

This group's popularity baffles me tbh

[goshipgurl.livejournal.com]

On The Ground is a typical Teddy song tho, it could have easily been another BP comeback track. But IA with the rest of your comment.

[ohmylol.livejournal.com]

It is? I'm not really familiar with his work besides the typical BP sound so it sounded different to me lol, but Gone imo is different and I do think Rosé is the one who seems actually interested in music

[kaykaydelight.livejournal.com]

I agree with you. While OTG and Gone still have that teddy touch more reminiscent of 2NE1’s mid tempos/ballads, they’re still a deviation from the signature BP sound.

[goshipgurl.livejournal.com]

Whats even the point of comeback stages on foreign tv shows? They're only uploaded on youtube anyway and aren't broadcasted on TV.

[dior-chic.livejournal.com]

I don’t get it either since the views on youtube are just fans streaming per usual and the people who watch these shows to be frank are too old to care about kpop. We care about it since we grew up on it, idk if I’d like it now if I didn’t. I know it means “you made it” to be featured on these types of shows but is the payoff even there?

[em-cavey.livejournal.com]

I honestly just think it’s a flex at this point lol and part of the fandom arms race that current-day kpop has become. Like there’s Billboard rankings, streaming records, US tv show spots to prove the white people love you 🙄 Fandoms treat this stuff like status symbols and I hate it tbh

[dior-chic.livejournal.com]

I see fans trying to come up with reasons why Lalisa is charting poorly. Idk after Twice getting so much grief when their songs stopped hitting #1 it’s interesting to see the tables have turned *shrug*

With more performances I think it’ll do better as it’s just getting started but we’ll see.

[dior-chic.livejournal.com]

Also like I said it’s too early to say but for comparison Rose seems more similar to Joy concerning solos as both have longevity on the chart and peaked high, while Lisa and Wendy sold really well but aren’t chart darlings.

[ohmylol.livejournal.com]

With Lisa I think xenophobia definitely played, i mean the song is bad but BP has done the same song for years ( besides LSG) and they chart well

Wendy is the least favorite member but she is a very good singer so I thought she was going to do well

And regarding Twice not hitting the No 1 like they used to, considering how fast paced kpop is and how misogynistic the industry is when women start to get old idk why stans of other groups give another group a hard time? It will happen to everyone eventually and Twice has a very loyal and strong fan base, like I like exo and SHINee (and f(x) but their case is completely different lol) and they won't ever chart like they used to because they are BGs past their peak but they have a strong fandom and that's what guarantees longevity and that's a lot

[em-cavey.livejournal.com]

I mean in the case of this song, it's just bad lol. Melon charts and the like are a pretty fair representation of what the gp listens to and even major fandom-powered songs will often struggle if they don’t have some sort of quality/appeal for the gp. And it’s one thing to be bland/boring (like Rose and Joy) but this one is like aggressively awful and a chore to listen to, there’s no reason for anyone to endure it other than it being by Lisa so fans are only going to be able to push it so far.

[ironmangina.livejournal.com]

Yeah they’re definitely scrambling and after all vitriol they tossed Twice’s way (and still do) it’s funny to see. I don’t doubt that SK’s general xenophobic attitude towards SEA’s is playing its role in why lalisa is not charting well but blinks acting like that’s the only reason….theclowncomesbacktobite.gif

[dior-chic.livejournal.com]

That’s exactly how I see it. If fanwars weren’t a thing I wouldn’t think anything of it, it’s still on the chart regardless so hey that’s something. But now seeing them coming up with narratives why it’s struggling I’m very



All could’ve be avoided if you weren’t jumping at other groups fans lol.

[goshipgurl.livejournal.com]

Is she really doing bad on the charts? Her pre-orders outsold Rose iirc and she hit #1 on Itunes in many countries immediately after release.

[dior-chic.livejournal.com]

When I refer to charting I’m talking about Melon since it’s the most popular streaming service, she might be doing better with the other ones but I haven’t looked. But she’s currently at #62, the highest I think she was at #38 currently (at least when I was checking it out). Melon fluctuates now depending on the time so it can vary greatly, so it might be higher in the daytime.

For charts paying attention to sales, oh yea Lisa will come out on top. But that’s why I like looking at digital charting to see how casual fans are (or aren’t listening). Rose’s songs peaked really high, I think she made the top 10? They’re still on the chart I believe months later though they have dropped.

For the Joy and Wendy comparison, Joy peaked high too I think she made top 15 at one point and she’s still currently in the top 50. Wendy sold more albums than Joy but wow her title track didn’t rise very high (once again trying to recall) and it fell off the top 100 very fast. I’m surprised hers didn’t take off since it seemed like the typical song to chart on Melon based on how people described it.

Idk personally I had the pleasant experience of watching BP fans mock Twice especially during I Can’t Stop Me era since it was in the top 20-30 when it came out and finally peaking at #12. If that is considered flopping, what is Lalisa doing…

It can definitely change as the song just came out, like Somi’s song steadily rose the charts and now stays in the top 10 or right outside of it.

[ohmylol.livejournal.com]

out of pure curiosity I saw the other charts and it's bad, she is 79 at genie and 25 in bugs, thing that it's not great because from what I read that one is the easiest one to chart because it doesn't have that many users, and genie it's like the old melon chart that was more about the quantity of streams and less about ULs so groups with big fandoms can chart there well, I expected her to do not that great but not like that, I do think the xenophobia has to do but the song is bad bad

Also she is No 15 in spotify global with 3,253,193m streams, very good numbers but with the YT stream I really thought it was going to be higher, afaik Rosé had a highest peak

Her sales in china are great tho, and now users can only buy one time per account so there isn't bulk buying (or at least not much as before)

[dior-chic.livejournal.com]

Oh wow that’s so interesting that she is struggling on the smaller streaming services too. I thought she’d do great there.

I’m so mixed on youtube and album sales nowadays. I was impressed for some time but knowing all the games stans play to boost views, the have tips and tricks to raise the view count. Then with the albums they’re just fans mass buying and ultimately throwing the albums away…ugh I’m so grossed out.

That’s why I’m not really wowed by boy groups nowadays since they have 1 million+ album sales but no presence on the charts so no one is really checking for them besides dedicated stans. Hey it’s fans supporting their faves but it’s a huge disconnect and giving this impression than they’re much bigger than they really are (this rant is straying from the topic sorry lol)

Did the rule change occur before or after Lisa’s preorder started?

[ohmylol.livejournal.com]

The rule was part of the Chinese regulations but it's just for digital albums in QQ, people in QQ could buy many copies per account (Rosé for example had like 1.7m of sales of her single album) Lisa fans were expecting to mass buy but they couldn't now, with physical sales I think they could have bought more but a lot of her pre orders were from Chinese bars who buy a lot from sites like ktown4u that give them discounts because they know they will buy a lot so the argument by blinks that Lisa sold all of that without Chinese bars is fake

Yeah I'm surprised about the charting too tbh, I expected more because while she is Thai she is still part of BP and BP always charts well, I'm sure it's part xenophobia part the song being awful, the YT views are great too but I've heard with BP SEA fans rent cafe internet and places like that for people to stream and regarding sales? Tbh now mass buying is part of all all fandoms including GGs, that's why they have those huge sales when before that wasn't the case but most GGs do have hits, like SKZ and Ateez are selling a lot but barely chart in SK (SKZ does have good Spotify streams though) and groups like NCT are selling a lot without having a hit, so yeah it's because they have a huge fandom that bulk buys but like i don't get why people would buy that much just to brag that their faves got a lot of sales? And that plus social media makes people believe they are bigger than they actually are ( NCT charting in SK is very meh, like I said they still don't have a hit and their Spotify streams aren't great either for example)

And then there is the use of ads, most groups use them now and that gives the sense of the song being bigger than it is but imo there is nothing more important than longevity, the first 24 hours thing is useless if the song gets stale, so there are many ways fans and even the company are fabricating popularity

[dior-chic.livejournal.com]

Your comment sums up my issues with kpop, people just can’t be chill about it and collect albums or watch music videos like a normal person. I do think people stream normally when the song ages but right when it comes out, people are doing weird shenanigans for people who will never know their name.

Girl groups definitely have the mass buying issue too, like Itzy has tons of versions I think for their upcoming album? If they break a record for album sales, I’m going to be like well no shit I think they have 5 or 6 CD versions and the fans will buy one of each? I’m used to the 3 since it’s part of kpop for awhile but the rest is really pushing it.

At least that outside of Twice & Blackpink their numbers are more realistic and multiple girl groups appear on the digital charts for awhile, not just dropping off in a few days. NCT, Stray Kids, Ateez, etc yea I’m happy they have dedicated fans but it just feels so uncomfortable to perceive them as huge as if I ask some strangers about them I’m probably going to get some “who???” answers lol. At least they’d have some idea who BTS, Blackpink, and Twice are. Like Dreamcatcher has grown a lot but in a realistic way imo, their 100,000+ album sales per comeback makes sense as they’re rather niche but have loyal fans. If they start getting massive sales I'd be like ‘huh?’ since my girls don’t chart unfortunately.

[vanilla-09.livejournal.com]

I don't think Lisa/YG is marketing her in SK that much either bc she is the most popular member in China and internationally. By having that Chinese fanbase I doubt they care much about how she does in SK bc that yuan basically guarantees income.

[dior-chic.livejournal.com]

Oh I agree that’s a given it would do great outside of Korea but idk I think YGE should’ve marketed her more there since it comes off bad for a member of a massive girl group.

[vanilla-09.livejournal.com]

So does that mean that Wendy did better than Joy? Which is really confusing since she's the least popular member in SK (?)

[pppum.livejournal.com]

I feel like reveluvs, as harsh as it is sound, bought wendy's album out of drought because a year hiatus or as appreciation after all she's been through (the sbs accident), her real sales will show with her next comeback. As of Joy if she went the sexy route I think fans would buy more.

[dior-chic.livejournal.com]

I agree, I think some of us were definitely thinking it. She has been through a lot so I can see why fans threw support behind her because of it, but if she gets a second solo I’m curious how it will go as she’s doing better.

[dior-chic.livejournal.com]

Personally I think Joy did better since I think digital charts matter more with relevancy. Of course I think companies value the album sales since it’s where money is coming in but the digital streams is where you can see if the general public is into it and that’s when you know your artist has made it or is still popular. Joy fluctuates #30-#50 on Melon so her song is still doing pretty good, especially since it came out end of May.

[suggestivepeach.livejournal.com]

Oh lordddd I remember the whole ICSM debacle. They were literally camped out under Twice charting tweets, perched and ready to call them flops lol. Fun times! At least we still got a great full album out of that mess.
And wow I’m also surprised Wendy didn’t chart that well. I know she isn’t the most popular member but I still expected her to have a similar (?) career trajectory as Taeyeon since she has the same strong pipes.

[pppum.livejournal.com]

Digital charting is about how known an artist is to public, and Wendy does not have a single hit song previously (Joy has her OST). Don't forget that Taeyeon was known to public because of her hit OST on the year of SNSD debut(or 1 year after I forgot) and have another hit song too on the following years before her official debut as solo.

[theweebdream.livejournal.com]

This is 100% off topic but the male backup dancer with the long black hair is 😔👌

[nudrive.livejournal.com]

Loooool I always think that a lot of people look really good with a mask on and then they take it off and it's like 'oh'

[theweebdream.livejournal.com]

I know you’re right but let me live my fantasy!!!!!

[radowan.livejournal.com]

she's so beautiful but omfg the song is just BAD. So, so, so BAD. It doesn't do her voice any favours. Also that whiny struggle-rap should go.

[rockerista03.livejournal.com]

SHE'S SO BEAUTIFUL BUT I JUST CAN'T ENJOY IT 😭 And I know she could do better but welp here's to the TikTok crowd, I guess.

She's a performer through and through tho so there's that.

[kaykaydelight.livejournal.com]

This might sound strange given how we complain about songs now n days being to short, but I actually feel like this song is too long for how unpleasant it is.

[nudrive.livejournal.com]

Yeah I agree, it should've ended at like 2:57

[frequency.livejournal.com]

yeah this is definitely a song that would've benefitted from being less than 3 minutes lol

[sweetestbliss1.livejournal.com]

Lol I agree. While watching the performance, I was like is it almost over???

[pseudo-shigure.livejournal.com]

this song really should be an email huh. maybe it's a good thing Solo is so short

[a-suitcase.livejournal.com]

This is the first time I've heard this song and it is just beyond terrible... She's a super talented performer and very charismatic, but goddamn is this awful.

[myrrhcat.livejournal.com]

the song still sucks but god, i hate that they did the [ Singing in foreign language ] thing in the subtitles. TRANSLATE IT. or even just put the korean lyrics. IT'S 2021 HOW IS THIS CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE.

...also, between the hair, outfit and level of cringe involved she looks just like t swift

[wafflesnmilk.livejournal.com]

acceptable because this is not subtitles it's closed captioning, for the people it's meant for, the hard of hearing, the goal is not to translate but to capture an accurate audio description of what's happening and in this case the american audience isn't expected to understand said foreign language being spoken/sang, if it was a situation where the watcher would miss out on the context without a translation (eg : news) it would usually be hard-coded subtitles

[myrrhcat.livejournal.com]

as a person who is not deaf but is somewhat hard of hearing and often relies on captions to fully understand what's being said/sung, we still need to do better. just because the words are in a foreign language doesn't mean they don't matter. even if you don't know the meaning of "Nae dwinmoseumman bwado aljana[...]" it still enhances the viewing/listening experience to know that that is what she's singing.
but ideally, what would enhance it the most would be to translate it. i don't see why we can't go beyond the low standards that closed captioning for foreign-language music has been held to for decades.
and if the song were, for example, "la vie en rose," you can bet that that phrase would be put in the captions despite not being in english, so it also serves as a value judgment as to what is worthy or well-known enough to be captioned, and what is just "foreign language."

[mortkero.livejournal.com]

I couldn't get through the last part of the Lalisa name repeat
The dance is so meh.

I hope there will be a push back against tiktok choreo Kpop dances at some point.

[love-keiko.livejournal.com]

meh song but of course she murdered the performance and looked amazing doing it.