(TW) Dispatch reveals screenshots and conversation records between Mina, Jimin and other AOA members

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Dispatch has released a report revealing conversations involving current and former AOA members.

Back in July 2020, former AOA member Kwon Mina wrote posts detailing years of harassment from the group’s leader Jimin.

On September 8, Dispatch released messages and transcripts of conversations related to this situation.

Jimin’s father passed away on April 3, 2020. Kwon Mina went to the wake on April 4, and Jimin apologized to her. Kwon Mina cried, and they shared an embrace.

These texts were exchanged on the night of April 4.


Mina: The moment you said sorry to me, I lost it. I felt regretful thinking what if I approached you more, what if I was more honest. I was so thankful that you were really thankful to me. Unnie (a term used by a female to refer to an older female), I am also so sorry and thankful. (omitted) And I hope you never experience anything hurtful again. Let’s be healthy. Thank you, Unnie, for hugging me.

Jimin: I love you, Mina.

Mina: Sorry and thank you, Unnie.

Mina: Please hug me next time!

Jimin: Of course. Let’s not be sick, Mina.


The two exchanged messages a few more times afterwards.


April 18, 2020

Mina: Unnie, did you call?

Jimin: Yeah. I just called because you were on my mind.


May 12, 2020

Mina: Unnie! Sorry for not answering your call. I’m having such a hard time these days. I didn’t answer anyone’s call that day. Don’t worry though. I’ll try my best. Unnie, are you okay? Don’t be sick. If we can meet next week or the week after, let’s grab a meal together. Drinks are good also.

Jimin: Okay, Mina (heart)

Mina: Do you prefer next week or the week after?

Jimin: Um I think the week after would work better! Mina, were you having a hard time? ㅠㅠ

Mina: Yeah, Unnie. I think I’m not in my right mind these days.. haha


A couple of months later on July 3, 2020, Kwon Mina wrote a post speaking out against Jimin. Jimin denied her claims, and Mina wrote two more posts to follow up on the matter. In one of the later posts, Kwon Mina said that the AOA members, including Jimin, had come to her home to discuss the issue.

The following are excerpts of conversations exchanged for 128 minutes between the current and former AOA members on July 3 when they gathered at Mina’s home.


Jimin: I came because I have something to say also. That’s what you felt. I do not remember, but those incidents that you mentioned. I came because I want to apologize for those.

Mina: You truly don’t remember?

Jimin: So I’ll apologize about that. I didn’t know.

Mina: Wow.

Jimin: I came to sort things out. I’ll admit my fault for what I did wrong.

Mina: I wish you would say at least something that makes sense. I get that you don’t remember. Okay, I’ll understand that.

Mina: You’re not at that level. You remember when you hit me, right? You said you hit me because I was at the very front.

Jimin: Where did I hit you?

Mina: My chest like this! Should I hit you the same way?

Jimin: Did I hit you a lot?

Mina: Yes.

Jimin: I think I only pushed you like this…

Mina: No. You hit me with your fist. I guess you don’t have a good memory. It doesn’t seem like you came to sort this out.

Jimin: I came to sort this out.

Mina: Do you see this? These cuts on my left arm?

Jimin: Why did you do that. I’m sorry.

Mina: Why did I do this? Why did I do this? Jimin unnie? I’m so frustrated that you can’t remember what you did to me. How could you do something like that and not remember?

Jimin: Do you have a knife?

Chanmi: Don’t.

Jimin: I’ll just die.

Choa: Stop. If you’re going to apologize, then do it properly. What is this.

Jimin: I’m apologizing,…

Choa: You just have to say sorry for this to end..

Jimin: This is because of me, so I’ll leave.

Choa: If you leave, does that solve this?

Jimin: I’ll leave. I’m sorry guys. Mina, I’m sorry.

Chanmi: Wait everyone. Let’s calm down a bit.

Mina: You gave me that much and don’t remember?

Jimin: It’s my fault. I did wrong.

Mina: You don’t remember?

Jimin: Everything I did to you, I did wrong.

Mina: I became crazy.

Jimin: I’m sorry. I really…

Mina: But I

Jimin: But I really came to say sorry to you sincerely.

Mina: I became crazy. I’ve become broken, but you don’t remember?


Jimin broke out into tears. “I’m sorry that this is the extent of my memory.” “It’s all my fault. You don’t have to forgive me, but I really came to apologize.

Jimin: From my point of view,

Mina: Say it.

Jimin: From my point of view, as a leader to you…

Mina: You treated me well?

Jimin: I hoped that you would go down a better path. I hoped that all of you… So I didn’t know that those criticisms were painful and hurtful to you.

Mina: Because I have to go down a good path, you said my body is unattractive and my face is like X? Is that going down a good path?

Jimin: I never said that.

Mina: I got depression because of you and eventually went down a bad path. Do you know what I’m saying?

Jimin: I’m sorry. I’m sorry that I bothered you about trivial things.

Mina: You tormented me every day. You don’t remember, right?

Jimin: I tormented you every day?

Mina: Yes. I took medication every day.

Jimin: I’m the one who was with you until the end when you were sick. You also don’t remember, right?

Mina: I remember. But do you know what I was thinking inside? She doesn’t even know I’m sick because of her.

Jimin: Ah really? I didn’t know.


Choa began mediating, and the other members expressed their thoughts.

Mina: Why do you dislike me?

Jimin: I don’t dislike you.

Mina: (to the other members) She was excessive to me, right?

Chanmi: We cannot side with anyone.

Choa: It’s difficult for the others to say anything. And Jimin, this problem will not be solved by you leaving. If she says she’s upset about something, just listen. You’re older.

Jimin: I’ll listen.

Choa: Just listen to her. And honestly, how many times did we even meet before fighting like this? How many times will we even meet in the future? You can just listen to what she says and say, “Ah, alright. I was a bit young back then. Sorry.”

Jimin: Sorry.

Choa: Yes, like that.

Mina: There’s that saying that the one who hit doesn’t remember, but the one who got hit remembers forever.

Jimin: I’ll leave [AOA].

Mina: Don’t leave.

Jimin: No, I’ll leave.

Choa: Jimin, you leaving now will not solve anything.

Jimin: This is harming everyone.

Choa: This is what I think. We had a killer schedule. You might’ve taken your sensitivity out on Mina, and Mina could’ve also seen you that way when she was sensitive. Don’t you think so? Jimin, Mina once said to me, ‘Unnie, I had a hard time because you were so sensitive.’ I had nothing to say because I felt so sorry. You just have to apologize in that aspect.

Jimin: I’m sorry that I was really sensitive, that I was too young, that my actions were mean.

Mina: If I could pay the contract penalty fee, I would’ve left earlier before I became mentally ill.

Jimin: I’m sorry. I’ll apologize for everything you experienced.

Mina: But I feel so frustrated because you say you don’t remember.

Jimin: I’ll remember.

Mina: You won’t remember.

Jimin: I will remember. Everything I did to you was wrong. I was too young and sensitive. I’m so sorry that I was so mean to you.

Hyejeong: I think that’s how it was. I did hear from Mina. But Unnie doesn’t remember. Because of you two… (the others are being harmed.)

Jimin: I’m sorry, sorry.

Hyejeong: Mina, you also have to apologize.

Mina: I apologize to the members and don’t have to apologize to Jimin unnie.

Jimin: Yeah. You don’t have to apologize to me.

Hyejeong: That’s not okay.

Jimin: I’m so sorry to you guys. I wanted our team to succeed…

Hyejeong: I know.

Mina: She’s lying.

Chanmi: Let’s listen. Let’s listen to what Jimin unnie has to say also.

Mina: Is having sex with guys for the team to do well?

Jimin: From my memory, I remember that what I did was for the success of our team from my point of view, so I think I didn’t realize that I was so wrong. Listening now, you all received so much stress. I am saying sorry for that.

Hyejeong: No, it’s okay. We are okay. We are in a team with you because we understand you. But because you don’t remember, Mina’s anger isn’t being resolved. Unnie, you could remember and apologize.

Mina: Hyejeong, how can she apologize when she doesn’t remember.

Hyejeong: A person can think about it.

Mina: She says she doesn’t remember even if she thinks.

Hyejeong: She must be taken aback. This is a sudden situation.

Mina: I have gone crazy.

Hyejeong: I think I’m also going crazy because of you.

Mina: Then go crazy.

Hyejeong: I don’t want to.

Choa: Mina! Jimin might really not remember, and she says she is sorry.

Mina: But you all saw her when she first walked in. I thought she was coming in to fight.

Chanmi: She might’ve arrived like that at first because she didn’t know these details initially. She might’ve arrived feeling doubtful.

Mina: I understand all of you, but really try living as me for a day.

Choa: I’m sorry, Mina. I’m sorry I didn’t know you more. We all should’ve talked about [issues] that we had…

Mina: Okay. I’ll accept the apology. I accepted the apology.

Jimin: I’m sorry, I’m sorry.

Mina: Okay, Unnie. I’m also sorry. I’m also sorry that I went out of my mind. I’ll stop mentioning my dad also. Sorry, Dad.

Jimin: We are sorry.

Hyejeong: Like I said earlier, it’s everyone’s fault.

Mina: Sorry. I’m sorry for everything, so everyone leave my house now. I’ll accept the apology. I accepted Jimin unnie’s apology. All good now, right?

Choa: Mina.

Mina: I think I’m going out of my mind.

Chanmi: How could we leave comfortably.

Mina: I’ll also try my hardest. I’ll try to forget and understand.

Choa: I also know how sensitive I was in the past. I was sorry to all of you.

Yuna: I think it should be better now that you let it out.

Mina: Yeah. I let out a lot. Some of it has been let out. I will try from now on, and I have to. What else can I do. And you (Seolhyun), don’t cry.

Seolhyun: Okay. Don’t worry about us. And Unnie, if you live with a grudge, then it’s your loss.

Choa: We had a brutal schedule at the time. So we had no time to take care of ourselves. But this is also true. You’re a really soft-hearted person. And when I say something to you, you don’t listen.

Mina: Yeah, you’re right.

Choa: You shut your ears.

Mina: Yeah I do. I’m fixing it.

Choa: So I thought, “She’s just not the type to listen”…and honestly kind of gave up. But Jimin, when she said something to you, you followed her well, so I think she thought that was right. Even though it really wasn’t. It got off on the wrong foot.

Mina: Yeah.

Choa: And you were unhappy about that. It became a problem because we fought too little.

Mina: I should try hard too. I’ll have to get my head screwed on straight now. You came [to my house], talked, said sorry, and cried.

A member: Even Seolhyun who had the hardest time said sorry.

Seolhyun: No, no.

Mina: Yeah, your face has gotten smaller. Is your schedule still brutal?

Seolhyun: Yeah, I’m filming a drama.

Choa: Don’t post [on Instagram] anymore, okay?

Mina: Of course.

Choa: When I think about the time I went out of control and posted a lot, I get goosebumps. Later on, you’ll feel embarrassed about it.

Mina: I’m already embarrassed.


After meeting with Mina, Jimin uploaded her apology on Instagram. Mina then posted on her Instagram to deny that Jimin had apologized to her. Jimin officially left AOA and the entertainment industry that day and did not respond to Mina’s posts anymore.

From November 2020 to May 2021, Mina continued to message Jimin.


November 2020

“You’re reading the message and not responding and living well, it seems. When are you going to genuinely apologize?

“Unnie, you know where I live. Or should I go?”


April 2021

“Hey Jimin, are you not going to respond? You won’t respond even if I die? Come to your senses. I won’t ever forget you.”

“I want to pay back all of the bullying you did to me exactly as is. I’m holding back well. Hey, if you saw it, you should respond. Aren’t you angry? You need to come beat me up, haha. Come on. Are you even human?”

“Jimin, you can’t do this to me. Someone’s dying here. Do you have no emotion? Hahaha. You have no remorse, huh? It’s about time your temper comes up. Why are you quiet?”

“You were looking for a knife at my house. I have a lot of knives. Come. You won’t even be able to stab me. Hahaha.”

“As long as I’m alive, I’m going to take revenge, Jimin. I won’t forget the things you did and said to me. I’ll pay it back for sure. Just wait, Samuel Jackson.”


April 2021

“Read, Jimin. You messed with the wrong person. Where’s our Shin Jimin’s audacity? You have to come have a one-on-one fight with me. I can go to you, or you can come to me. Come, you whore.”


May 2021

“Is it no fun now after 10 years? Do you have no remorse? Are you human?”

“Does your mom feel no remorse at all either? When her own daughter is the cause of someone else’s daughter contemplating death every day.”

“Hey Jimin. Is your mom unwell, by any chance? Just respond to me. You’ll see me again anyway.”


Kwon Mina has continued to publicly express her resentment towards Jimin through live broadcasts, an appearance on a YouTube program, and Instagram posts.

Dispatch also revealed KakaoTalk chat records between Kwon Mina and FNC Entertainment staff. A staff member explained that Mina had asked the staff to take care of her personal requests and showed Dispatch their chatroom records.


Mina: Managers, it doesn’t matter who does it, so please make a dentist’s appointment for a root canal treatment for me. Who do I have to tell, and how many times?

Manager: Remember I sent you a KakaoTalk message separately? That the appointment didn’t work out.

Mina: So I’m asking you to find a different place. You probably called that one place. I’m asking you to at least look into finding a different place for the appointment.

Mina: If you send me a KakaoTalk message saying it didn’t work out, do I have to just keep waiting? Did you make an appointment for a different day? No.


On a Saturday afternoon in January 2018, Mina asked her manager to set up a skin care clinic appointment for her mother.

Mina: My mom will receive it, not me.

Manager: I’ll try calling them when I get to work on Monday.

Mina: Thanks. On any day, as soon as possible.

Manager: Could you tell me your mother’s name and birth date? I think I’ll need it for the reservation.


Mina messaged her manager at 2 a.m. on Monday.

Mina: I’m sorry but can you call tomorrow and make the appointment for a later time if it’s possible immediately?


She sent another message at 4 a.m.

Mina: Make the reservation and if they say Monday is okay, call me immediately. (4:41 a.m.)

Manager: Okay. I’ll call the clinic right when they open. (8:30 a.m.)


A source from the Korea Entertainment Management Association considered this a power trip, explaining, “If it’s necessary for their activities in the entertainment industry, [the celebrity] can request a hospital appointment, but asking your manager to make a hospital appointment for your mother is way outside of their work scope.”

The following conversation was shared in a chatroom between FNC Entertainment managers in April 2018.


Manager: (Sigh) Mina unnie is scary.

Manager: She went a bit too far today.

Manager: It’s not like I didn’t send her the KakaoTalk message. I sent it to her in advance.

Manager: When I said, “Huh? I sent you a message yesterday,” she instantly said, “Hey, don’t talk back to me.”


The newbie manager told the senior manager about the hard time they had.

Manager: She was angry on her way out [of the salon], wasn’t she?

Manager: I think it’s because Mina unnie is especially sensitive.

Manager: Nothing happened at the salon with the other members.

Manager: And I think she didn’t get to sleep today.

Manager: I’m tired of walking on eggshells around Mina unnie all the time.


Another conversation between Mina and managers went as follows:

Mina: Managers, if I asked to get picked up, don’t just ask the singer [management] team and do your best. Don’t just do a half-hearted job when I ask for something.

Manager: It’s not easy for us to ask the actor management team. And we asked the whole album team.

Mina: Unnie. Then you should have explained that to me yesterday. Why are you telling me that now?

Mina: Unnie. Don’t call me anymore. Why do I have to sit here listening to you talk like you’re a teacher telling off her student? I cried because of you too so you should be sorry.

Mina: You must be joking. You’re tired of me asking you to buy me food and buy me cola? I’ve never said that since we came to Geondae.

Mina: I’m sorry I asked for food. Happy, unnie? You’re saying you were tired of backing me up? Unnie, don’t ever be involved in my work. If you’re going to say things like that.


Following the report, Kwon Mina posted a response on Instagram. In her post, she also speaks about being recently called out for smoking in a hotel room where it was prohibited.

Read the post below:


Hello, this is Kwon Mina, who has been creating a stir and endlessly causing trouble due to my wrong choices.
Honestly, I’ve said that I wanted to live like myself, but when I came to my senses, I was just acting strong and living without common sense.
In my struggle, all that’s left is anger.. So when I felt that I had really gone crazy, I had deleted my Instagram account completely.
But I’m back like this after a short while.. There is a reason, so please look at me just once. I won’t get worked up..I won’t say any lies, including shocking and bad actions and words.. First of all, I’m posting on Instagram because after seeing the Dispatch article about the 128 minutes, I tried emailing the Dispatch reporters and leaving my contact information. Even if I’m alone, I’d like to share my side of the story even a little bit. The managers mentioned in the report and the story behind the transcript, I know who all of them are and remember what happened. I don’t know who sent in the transcripts, it’s probably FNC’s team leader or manager or someone from Shin’s side, but I’d rather have the recordings with our voices revealed from beginning to end..
I’d rather they reveal my full conversation with manager Kim without omitting the context..
If you only listen to the report from Unnie’s side and read the text like this, it’s like I’ve received an apology over 100 times. If there was a CCTV recording, I would want to reveal the entire video and audio. Please just reveal as much of it as possible. Weren’t you filming and recording from the moment you entered and left my house.. The team leader and manager who were especially close to Shin had accompanied her.. Please reveal it..
If this is how it turns out, everything I’ve said until now becomes a lie. I’ve been the talk of the town.. But please don’t take this opportunity to confine me, not when it comes to this case.. All of the people who have acknowledged some things and know some things probably won’t reveal what they know, but at least give me a chance to speak on my own. Give me a chance to [present] a witness, [submit] a report, [show] evidence, and more.. I plead you. You can contact me directly..And I’ll tell you exactly how the indoor smoking issue ended. I paid a fine of 300,000 won (approximately $257) and apologized to them, cleaned it up, and left behind a letter in the room. It may sound like an excuse, but it’s true that I didn’t see a notice about the nonsmoking policy and was never informed about it. If not smoking indoors is common sense, I’m really just someone without even the most basic common sense.. By selecting a room where smoking is allowed, I thought that’s how it had naturally proceeded. It turned out that instead of only upgrading the hotel, there were four hotels there, and they changed me to a different hotel. I did not give my full attention to their explanation. It’s all my fault, and I didn’t accept it when all of you explained it to me, and I behaved as I pleased.. I apologize. I will make sure I don’t cause harm in such a clueless way in the future..
I will also stop using Instagram.. I really need to recognize that my actions are wrong and stop, receive treatment well, reflect on myself, and try to live on as a bright person.. The report had me contemplating a lot, but I’m really upset about this.. I genuinely feel like I’m going to break down.. Even if the misunderstandings aren’t solved, I just wanted to put it out there.. I’m sorry..


sources: soompi, @kvwowv (now deleted), naver

Comments

[allsugarfree.livejournal.com]

Choa is amazing. I don't understand how Thea group survived that long without her.

[pikapika217.livejournal.com]

NOT Choa LITERALLY having to be the moderator on this?? Like I know she was nicknamed the mom of the group always but THIS is a lot?!

ALL this tells me is that there was so much pain involved with this but I don't think it directly contradicts anything Mina has told us at all

[daynr.livejournal.com]

I don't think it confirms it either? No one agreed or disagreed with her, it reads like everyone trying to mediate a dispute, find the common ground, make the group work.

And a bit like trying to placate someone they are worried about.

[rennehollic.livejournal.com]

Im lazy, can a kind soul please resume all of this to me?

[goshipgurl.livejournal.com]

Mina and Jimin were friendly in the beginning but 2 months later she started to attack her on Instagram. The members all met up to discuss and resolve the problem and she initially accepted Jimin's apology but shortly after attacked Jimin again on Instagram and sent her multiple texts via Kakaotalk. Dispatch also revealed texts between Mina and the managers and between the managers themselves talking about Mina.

Basically FNC (I guess) leaked all of this to make Mina look bad when in reality they should have stepped in and offered her professional help.

[sglitzys.livejournal.com]

Management really dropped the ball handling this. Choa doing a better job than other adults around them. My feelings about this is still the same. Mina needs professional help to sort through years of being bullied and stay off social media. Netizens negative sentiments against her now are not helpful at all. Jimin may feel sorry now but the damage is already done. I'm sure she'll be welcome back once things are calm.

[goshipgurl.livejournal.com]

They should have helped these girls to cope with the hectic schedules and toxic enviroment but instead they ignored all of this and let them handle things on their own. No wonder they were all miserable and bullying happened.

[goshipgurl.livejournal.com]

This post took forever so y'all better leave some comments or likes

[pikapika217.livejournal.com]

I appreciate it girl, for real

[rosiemotleymind.livejournal.com]

This is breaking my heart. I really really hope Mina gets help. It sucks that these girls had to go through this but Mina is definitely not well. That’s a lot for young women to be piled on and Choa mediating the the best of her abilities is admirable even though she shouldn’t have had to. Does she have anyone on her side does anyone know?

[marsdiamonds.livejournal.com]

I feel like maybe Jimin actually wasn’t aware of her actions impact on Mina.

It seems that there is so much pressure on leaders and she may have been wanting to fulfill her role. They were probably in a toxic environment that their agency should have handled.

Also, Mina seems like a person that was already fragile and some of her comments were really weird, like criticizing Jimin for having sex. I wonder if that kind of differences also played a factor in their relationship.

When Jimin was apologizing and Mina wanted her to know exactly what she was apologizing for, I kind of felt for both of them. Especially when Jimin asked if she would only be satisfied if she died. Because looks like Mina is seeking a perfect apology that will make her feel better, but the pain don’t go away like that.

[aeries-amethyst.livejournal.com]

I was thinking along the same lines earlier. This situation is pretty complex. I believe Jimin may have brushed off her actions because of course she doesn't see anything wrong with what she's doing but Mina was seriously affected by this regardless. Jimin's apology seems like it was just an apology to get Mina off her case but Mina wasn't satisfied with it. In the end, everything has escalated because Mina never got the kind of apology that she wanted and is still reeling from her trauma, so she's spiraling. She needs some help and quickly before she becomes a danger to herself.

[baekpedaling.livejournal.com]

This is a lot.

Thanks for compiling everything, OP

[lechuza-yoya.livejournal.com]

thank you, OP for your hard work.

what I get to all of this, is Choa is in a chat with them.

looks like something happened to Mina change her tune probably had enough or something trigger her, bc Mina was so close to Hyejeong and Hyejeong is all like im going crazy bc of you. look like mina's attitude with the manager was bc she feel not appreciated. I hope she can get the help she needs.

[myrrhcat.livejournal.com]

we'll never know the full truth of what happened, but i really feel for these women, all of them.

if jimin truly doesn't remember what happened between them, that sucks. imagine being accused of something that you literally can't deny because you have no memory of that time? what are you supposed to do about that.
i haven't been accused of something like she has, but i have a terrible long-term memory and my gf is always telling me things that i (apparently) said in the past which contradict what i'm saying now, and it's really frustrating (not that we fight about it, but it's just frustrating to not be able to confirm or deny what i said in the past.)

[krissasaur]

I have the same issue you do, and sometimes I get paranoid people are taking advantage of my bad memory to gaslight me or w/e, cause somethings I literally SWEAR I would have never said???

[radowan.livejournal.com]

I love Choa.

Also Jimin somehow not remembering anything is a hell of a red flag to me. I remember someone saying smth along the lines of "the victim remembers, but to the abuser it's just another tuesday". And fuck no to Hyejeong saying it's everyone's fault, but props for saying "because you don’t remember, Mina’s anger isn’t being resolved. Unnie, you could remember and apologize."

Anyway, if Mina's got money she should just go off the grid and find her footing again, because unfortunately people are running out of empathy towards her. Which sucks.

[fritterish.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I don’t see how any of this contradicts Mina’s side of events….even the transcripts show that Mina just wanted the others to go off her case and leave so she said that she accepted Jimin’s apology, and iirc she also hinted that in her IG posts. I also felt like the members thought more of damage control during the visit and accepting her statements at face value and probably thought that would fix things. All I got is there was a general atmosphere of “we all got thru difficult times, even seolhyun who is the busiest doesn’t complain so why should you”, and you know how FNC really just destroyed these girls’ psyche

Mina being hard on her managers is a separate issue, like did people expect her to be perfect? That doesn’t deny the abuse done to her. One can be a victim and also do bad things.

It’s amazing that in that visit, seolhyun barely said anything

[radowan.livejournal.com]

10000% with u on this take!

[greasetastic-x.livejournal.com]

I was reading this dispatch article last night and ......Mina needs a lot of help from somewhere she has no access to the internet.


Shout out to choa trying to moderate. Good for her telling Jimin to stop when she pulled out her "do you want me to die" thing.

I dont remember if Mina said hyejeong was the only one on her side at the time but the messages do make it out to be that way. I understand the need to try to feel impartial at this point, but if some of them had been less impartial back then, maybe things wouldn't be to this point. I feel like part of what makes Mina upset besides the actual shit that Jimin did to her, is the fact that the rest of the members don't support her as she would like them to.

FNC releasing the chat logs means nothing to me in this situation. If doesn’t make her any less credible with her Jimin situation. She can be a shitty person and a victim.

AOA's name is tarnished. I don't think it will br easy for mina to continue as an actress because production companies will just see her as a liability. I hope that she gets adequate help.

[kashiyaek.livejournal.com]

i feel bad for everyone involved. i never thought jimin was the evil bully but i also dont think mina is an evil manipulator. this is all around heartbreaking, hope everyone stays safe.

I am just gonna start over lmao

[krissasaur]

I don't know AOA but I am fucking stanning Choa. Isn't she the one that left the group first?

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Choa: We had a brutal schedule at the time. So we had no time to take care of ourselves. But this is also true. You’re a really soft-hearted person. And when I say something to you, you don’t listen.
Mina: Yeah, you’re right.
Choa: You shut your ears.
Mina: Yeah I do. I’m fixing it.
Choa: So I thought, “She’s just not the type to listen”…and honestly kind of gave up. But Jimin, when she said something to you, you followed her well, so I think she thought that was right. Even though it really wasn’t. It got off on the wrong foot.
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This bit of dialog makes me wonder if Mina just refuses to take any form of criticism or advice, and Jimin was just a little bit more harsh and wouldn't put up with her bullshit, which Mina then twisted into bullying and abuse. I have had people in my life who act like this, always playing the victim. It would account for Jimin truly not remembering anything though.

Also why was this recorded?

RE: I am just gonna start over lmao

[daynr.livejournal.com]

Why the f was it recorded? And was it consented to?

What was going on with this company?

[kyulkyung.livejournal.com]

this entire situation is just sad. hopefully mina will stay true to her words and stay off social media for the foreseeable future cause people are clearly unable to talk about this with any nuance.. it's none of our business anyway.

[premonitioner.livejournal.com]

in regards to Jimin not remembering anything — I have very few memories of the most stressful times of my life (one of them being my year abroad in Korea lol). I'd probably remember nothing of my entire career if I was an idol and would definitely have to rely on photo evidence

that being said I hope Mina stays off social media and doesn't read any articles until she's able to get some proper therapy — medication clearly isn't cutting it rn

[nudrive.livejournal.com]

I feel like most bullies are able to jsut ~forget~ what they did and move on with their lives, the bullied don't and aren't able to do that so easily

[chikage-chan.livejournal.com]

Choa didn’t get paid enough to have to deal with this, if I was her I would’ve bailed even earlier.

Mina really needs help, and a social media ban for life. I really hope she follows up on her last paragraph.

[love-keiko.livejournal.com]

jimin "not remembering" is a huge red flag, i'm sorry. speaking as someone who was badly bullied in middle and high school, i've heard that said far too many times. and believe me---they remember. they might not hold onto to the details as hard as you do, but they remember enough to have KNOWN they hurt you and just not give af until confronted about it.

i believe 100% that jimin bullied mina and while she may not have been aware of the extent or the effect of her actions, that doesn't change the fact that she hurt someone. a lot of the behavior that mina is exhibiting is clearly indicative of trauma. if the closest thing she could get out of jimin was no recollection whatsoever of what she did, that's not an apology. i think what mina needed was acknowledgement and without that, i can totally see how her anger would fester into something far worse.

what's becoming even MORE troubling is the fact that mina clearly needs help and while staying off of social media is a good first step, i'm worried she doesn't have much else of a support system to carry her through this. i have the sinking feeling that this is going to end very badly and it's a shame FNC is doing nothing to help. leaking that shit about conflict with managers is sooooooo disgusting, like what does that have to do with the issue at hand??

once again i'm questioning the idol system and the fact that these kids enter as minors with no child labor laws in place to protect them in this industry. then you add no regulation for who is qualified to own labels and have trainees plus this massive stigma against mental health and all that's left is a recipe for complete disaster.

how much more bullying or abuse or suicides do we need to see actual change? like are we ever going to get to the point where enough is enough?

[gathyou.livejournal.com]

I wish people would understand that you can be suffering from trauma and clearly in need of help, as well as hurtful and lashing out at others. No one is perfect, including victims. Trauma isn't a competition or about who is hurting more.
All of these texts don't contradict Mina's story, it just adds more layers. The members don't deny anything when Mina accuses Jimin of hurting her and when Jimin says she doesn't remember, moreso downplay it or hint at the impact on the team as a whole; Choa in particular hints at the environement they were all in and the pressure they had from the company. It's heartbreaking that Mina's experiences and traumas aren't remembered by Jimin and I suspect that triggered her more than anticipated.
Btw I'm surprised that Choa was included when she left the group long ago and even more that she took up the role of a mediator. Even when everything is blowing up, FNC aren't taking their responsabilities with fostering this environement and not acting, and are still leaving the members to handle it among themselves. They always were the biggest culprits for me and I'm pissed off that they're adding more fuel to the fire instead.
Also people should be able to emphasize with Mina's struggles and at the same time condemning her constantly texting Jimin with hurtful comments or taking it out against the staff. I'm sadly not too surprised that someone facing trauma in an environement (and society) that sigmatize so much mental illnesses is being toxic herself (to herself and others). I've seen it myself and I had to distance myself from friends who were hurting, but also doing so to others without meaning it. It's never easy.
All in all I'm worried about the AOA members and how they'll react to such an intense media scrutiny, especially Mina who needs to stay away from social medias and focus on therapy... But her talking about a press conference instead is worrying.
And fuck FNC, go to hell

[broadcities.livejournal.com]

this is basically my take. two thing i was surprised about reading all of this is 1) why was this conversation recorded and 2) why was choa there, i thought she left the group? but her role as mediator was probably very welcome

what i'm not surprised about is the trash and incompetent management skills fnc has showed here though. they seem to be relying a lot on the role of a leader in their groups which is a lot of responsibility for idols who often have this position from a very young age. they are probably not trained for complex and difficult situations like the trauma mina obviously has and this can lead to power trips and bullying, as we're seeing here.

[rainstormraider.livejournal.com]

This doesn’t really change my opinion on this whole mess.
All it proves is that FNC has terrible management and should not be in the idol business.

[daynr.livejournal.com]

1. As everyone acknowledges, Mina needs to step back and get help.

2. Who is fed up and out for Mina?

3. Can we stop the "not a perfect victim so you all disregard Mina!" while also absolving her bc she's clearly sick parade accusations?

4. Can we also stop the whole "Mina crazy & we owe AOA an apology?" parade?

I've being saying it, but this isn't about Mina being perfect victim. She sick, but she's also consistently centering herself as a victim in a way that allows for zero deviation from her script. That is not reality, and fans should not be buying her narrative wholesale. Is it that hard to separate wishing wellness for someone and supporting that journey and also not believing every element of their claims? Apparently.

I don't know what happened, but from all I see: the situation was impossible, and they all suffered to some extent. And these messages hint that maybe Mina and Jimin have some traits in common.

[daynr.livejournal.com]

Also, regarding comments that this conversation doesn't contradict Mina... It also doesn't support it. It reads like the members are dealing with an crisis and someone (Mina) who they are worried about. Mediation means finding common ground. Of course the other members aren't going to dispute everything Mina says when she is unwell.

This conversation could support Mina... Or not. The situation is so much murkier than we know, probably also bc of whichever shady f- released this.

[timetobegin.livejournal.com]

The more I see of this case, the more I hate it. These articles in the media could never fully capture the feelings and actions of everyone involved. Instead, it just fuels abuse against women. I'm not saying this should be settled behind closed doors, what I am saying is that the media exposure is doing the people involved more harm than good imo.

As for Mina, she has obviously been through alot and still going through it. I hope she can get the help she needs and fast.

[myungung.livejournal.com]

FNC is shit for recording this and releasing it with the other stuff. Like Mina clearly is hurting and acting out, but they just had to deflect attention away to turn people against her.
I agree with many of the comments about perfect victim and how the bully often doesn’t seem to remember the hurt. I get that being in the situation makes it hard to suddenly remember, but it seems the other members knew? With the situation of idols living together and having each other to make it big, it really blurs the relationship for the girls and how there’s good and bad in that relationship. Clearly FNC made it worse for them too
Also kudos to Choa for being there and meditating it, I’m surprised she still keeps in contact with them. Her influence still holds strong I guess.

[milktov.livejournal.com]

thanks OP for posting. i'm hoping that this messiness is just a painful part of the healing process for everyone involved, and not a sign of things spiraling down even more :(