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APRIL’s Chaewon, Naeun, Yena, and Jinsol opened up about the allegations that they bullied former member Hyunjoo.

In February 2021, Hyunjoo’s brother and her high school acquaintance shared posts online alleging that Hyunjoo had been bullied by the other APRIL members. DSP Media denied the allegations and took legal action against Hyunjoo and her family and friends. In April, Hyunjoo released a personal statement about the allegations, which DSP Media again denied. Chaewon and Yena were the first APRIL members to personally respond to the allegations, followed by Naeun and Jinsol. Hyunjoo took legal action against a former DSP Media employee, while DSP Media’s defamation case against Hyunjoo’s acquaintance was recently dismissed by the police. Chaewon once again denied that she had bullied Hyunjoo, and Hyunjoo shared a new post on her Instagram account, which Chaewon responded to.

The four members held an exclusive interview with Sports Kyunghyang to speak up about the current situation. They are all receiving psychiatric treatment and suffering from deep mental distress. They said, “Our time stopped on February 28. We’re the victims, not the perpetrators. We are being cornered as evil people and treated like sinners, and we want to set things straight.” Naeun, who was named as the instigator, added, “I feel like I’m being driven to death.”



When asked why they had kept silent for a long time, they replied, “It’s because the agency told us ‘to stay still.’ We didn’t do anything wrong, so we thought the truth would be revealed if we waited. But we’ve realized for the past four months that the occupation of being an ‘idol’ is one that’s difficult to receive understanding. There are some things we weren’t able to share in order to protect APRIL and former member Hyunjoo.”

The members shared why they agreed to do this interview. They said, “The misunderstanding seemed to grow further with only the agency’s official statement and our individual posts. In addition, we got so angry when we saw Hyunjoo write, ‘I will forgive you if you admit your wrongdoings and try to make them right.’ We’ve never done anything wrong or made a mistake to Hyunjoo. APRIL has grown with the concept of ‘clean idols’ for seven years. There were some things we didn’t want to reveal, but many people wanted us to share evidence. Now, we want to show everything.”

Then the girls discussed issues involving the shoes and tumblers that became controversial. They shared, “At that time, there were 200-300 pairs of shoes at the entrance of our dormitory. The company gifted each member with two pairs of the same shoes, for a total of 12 pairs. They’re ordinary shoes that any rookie girl groups would receive. They’re not expensive, and there’s no reason to steal them. It’s not like we wrote our names on them, and we didn’t know which shoes belonged to which person. It doesn’t make sense that we would steal shoes to bully someone. Four of the members are size 230, so we would often get the shoes mixed up. At that time, we would just think, ‘I wore the wrong pair.’ No one thought, ‘Someone stole them with malicious intent.'”



Concerning the tumblers, Naeun explained, “It is similar to the shoe situation. There are dozens of tumblers, nearly 100 of them, throughout the dorm and in the kitchen cabinet. There were so many that when our mothers came to help us clean, they said, ‘You have more tumblers than Starbucks. You could even open a café.’

“Many people wondered if it was dwenjang (soybean paste) stew or cheonggukjang (fermented soybean paste), but it was dwenjang stew. At that the time, the agency prevented us from buying food from restaurants because we were on a diet, so we bought salad and fruits or got food from a convenience store. My mom made dwenjang stew and froze it, so I heated it up, added tofu, and took it in a tumbler to work.

“The tumbler was red, not light pink [as Hyunjoo’s brother had claimed]. It didn’t even have a name on it. When I used that tumbler, she wasn’t even at the dorm. She was always sick, and at her request, she rarely lived at the dorms except when she was a trainee and early into our debut.

“I’ve never seen Hyunjoo use that tumbler before, and she neither said it was a precious item nor that it was given to her before her grandmother passed away. When she got very angry after seeing that tumbler that day, I apologized right away. I shared the stew with the members and washed the tumbler cleanly when I came home.”



Warning: discussion of suicidal thoughts

During the interview, it was pointed out that Hyunjoo attempted to take her own life because she was bullied by everyone. In response, the members said, “All of our members were afraid of Hyunjoo. Yet, we bullied and ostracized her? That’s absurd.”

They went on to explain, “Her brother wrote that after she tried to end her life, we realized what we did and apologized. That’s completely wrong. We’ve never seen or heard her trying to take her life. Since we didn’t know, we didn’t apologize to her.

“If you think about it, who would ignore their own member when they’re trying to take their own life? We would’ve naturally went to visit her right away. However, we didn’t have cellphones, and we didn’t hear anything from the agency. We learned about the details after this incident occurred.

“We tried to comfort Hyunjoo, who was having a hard time living in the dorm, and there’s even a video clip of us celebrating her birthday. We didn’t film it for broadcasting, but we threw a real surprise party for her. Hyunjoo was really happy back then. If she really had been bullied, that kind of video wouldn’t even exist.”



When asked if they talked with Hyunjoo, they answered, “She always said that she didn’t want to be an idol and that it was difficult being one. She said she wanted to be an actress.”

They continued, “Ever since Hyunjoo was a trainee, she always said she was sick. She often missed practice and made it hard for us. She even missed two music show schedules. On September 11, she didn’t show up for the rehearsal for KBS’s ‘Music Bank.’ At that time, we couldn’t take pictures on our way to work and had to enter through the back of the building. We still clearly remember crying because she didn’t show up before rehearsal and practicing the five-member version of the choreography in a hurry. She came back before the live show saying, ‘I should still do the live broadcast.’ Since then, we weren’t able to appear on the broadcast station while promoting that song, and we thought we had been penalized.

“For ‘Tinkerbell’ activities, she didn’t appear on MBC’s ‘Show Champion.’ We didn’t even know the reason. She didn’t appear even before our live broadcast, and our manager told us to back home. We took off all our makeup and hair accessories and headed back to our dorms crying. The next day, our agency said we have to work as a four-member group now, so we worked on the choreography all night long. Even at that time, we just thought, ‘Hyunjoo must be sick again.'”

APRIL also discussed the “rotten kimbap” incident mentioned by Hyunjoo’s brother. They explained, “When we came back to the car after finishing our schedule, there was kimbap in the back seat where the youngest members were. It was May, and maybe it was because we left it in the car, but there was a foul smell. Hyunjoo started to spray a lot of perfume. Yena is sensitive to smell, so she quickly got a headache, and we asked her to stop spraying perfume, but she started screaming like usual. She was shouting so much, and the manager who was talking on the phone at the time told her to be quiet. Chaewon delivered the message and told her to lower her voice. Hyunjoo started cursing at her, and she even yelled at Yena, saying, ‘Why are you opening your eyes like that?’ The next day, she didn’t show up for ‘Show Champion.’ We didn’t think she missed the show because of that. We just thought she was sick again, but we never saw her after that.”

When asked why they thought this incident occurred, they said, “There’s a limit to idols who live apart from their families without cellphones in their adolescence. We’re all adults now, but some us were 14-15 years old at the time. We weren’t able to get along with each other during the short trainee period. Also, we can’t get close to all the members, and we may not want to. Not everyone can get along. Is that so wrong? All girl groups are probably like that. We might get jealous of each other, and we may get hurt by words, even though they’re not intentional. But we endure it while trying to adjust to each other. We believe all idols, senior idols, and trainees will understand us.

“When we were living in the dorms, we couldn’t say anything even if we were upset. At that time, we only did what the agency told us to do. We didn’t even have time to take care of each other. We started missing each other and realizing how precious we are to each other when we lived separately after five years, but due to Hyunjoo, APRIL fell apart. We hope she doesn’t blame the members for the hardships she went through.”

The members then talked about their plans for the future. They commented, “First of all, we’d like to apologize to our fans.”

They continued, “All the members have devoted everything since their teens to make APRIL what it is now. There were some issues, but we endured them well. None of us want the team to disappear in disgrace under the stigma of being a ‘bullying group’ due to someone’s distorted claim. Some of the members suffered from Hyunjoo’s insincerity and lies and had such a hard time that they wanted to die. We hesitated to disclose all the information, but now, all of us will do our best to explain expose until it is resolved.

“We understand that the police dismissed the defamation case against Hyunjoo’s younger brother and classmate. That just means there wasn’t enough evidence to prove the claims were false and not that the content of their posts are true. We will ask for a reinvestigation on charges of defamation caused by timely false information, and we hope that the truth will be revealed through a deeper investigation.”

When asked what happened before Lee Hyunjoo left the group, the APRIL members responded, “In consideration of Lee Hyunjoo who was having a difficult time with dorm life, our agency allowed her to use her cell phone, and they also allowed her to go back and forth from her home while promoting. However, we had a hard time because Lee Hyunjoo accused us of being criminals.” They said that Hyunjoo frequently claimed that the members stole her belongings. “One day, Lee Hyunjoo said 100,000 won (approximately $88) disappeared. Lee Hyunjoo named the youngest Jinsol who was her roommate as the culprit and said it would be somewhere like her pockets, and Jinsol fell to the ground and bawled at the humiliation while having her back pockets checked. She said all of our bags should be checked, so we emptied all of our bags. It felt like we were stripped. We didn’t have rights. It was really unbearable. At the time, CCTV footage was checked from our dorm and outdoors, but such actions were not found.”
They continued, “One time, Lee Hyunjoo claimed, ‘Yena and Jinsol tripped and hit me in the practice room.’ The CCTV footage checked, and there were no such actions. She then changed what she said to claim it was in the hallway in front of the bathroom. Again, there were no such actions in the CCTV footage, and she then changed what she said to claim she was hit in the bathroom with no CCTV.”

One member recalled, “There were 5,000 won (approximately $4) practice sweats sold at the underground shopping center. They were navy and all the same style, so they couldn’t be told apart. I took them out to wear after my mom put them in the drawer, and Lee Hyunjoo said, ‘Hey, those are my pants.’ I thought it was a joke and asked, ‘Why are these your pants?’ She responded, ‘The length looks like my pants.’ I once again became a thief, and everyone came rushing over. My feelings at that time cannot be expressed in words. I thought, ‘If I am with this person, I’ll become a criminal.’ Because incidents like this happened so often, our members eventually wrote our initials and numbers on our personal belongings and underwear.”



The APRIL members said that they would also suggest to Hyunjoo that they should eat together, but she would respond that she doesn’t want to. “She then went to the agency and said, ‘They went to eat without me.’ Lies like this continued repeating, and we were again summoned and scolded. We later got so stressed that we said, ‘Let’s buy a voice recorder.’”

The interviewer asked the members if they ever told Hyunjoo to stop, and they replied, “Hyunjoo didn’t ask us directly. Normally if one of your belongings disappears, you would ask first, ‘Have you seen this?’ Without that process, she went straight to the company and told them. Then we’d all have to gather up and be treated like criminals. That we bullied her? That’s not true. Hyunjoo framed all of us. At the time she claimed that there was theft and violence, we looked into the facts with our company, but it was never found to be true. Also, other than Hyunjoo, no one ever said that their belongings had disappeared or that they were ostracized. Nothing remotely similar happened after she left the dorm.”



Asked why they believed the “bullying” issue was raised in the first place, the members explained, “Hyunjoo was always sick and absent from practice. She was like a time bomb who could explode at any moment, so it was scary. We honestly had to be careful with our every word. But as members of the same [group], we worked hard to understand her, take care of her, and get along with her because we wanted to protect both APRIL and Hyunjoo.

“For Hyunjoo’s birthday in February 2016, before she left the group, we organized a birthday party for her. We didn’t film this video for a show. It’s a real video from the birthday party. We turned off the lights and had a surprise party for her, and Hyunjoo was really happy when she was blowing out the candles. If she was really bullied and we had really bullied her, we would not have held a birthday party so happily.”

One of the members also spoke about a time when she bought shoes for Hyunjoo during a time when she had no money of her own and was receiving allowance from her mother. She shared that she put the shoes in Hyunjoo’s locker along with a letter saying, “I wish you’ll be happy, unnie.” The member added, “Hyunjoo wore the shoes when she appeared on KBS 2TV’s ‘The Unit.’ I was so happy. If I had perpetrated violence against her, would she have worn those shoes on the show?”

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To wrap up the interview, the members shared a few words they wanted to say to Hyunjoo. “I don’t know why she’s forgetting all of the happy memories with the members and only having distorted memories… It’s such a shame. Because of this incident, our hard work from the past seven years has come to nothing. We are in great pain as even our families are being criticized. APRIL now has the title of a ‘group of bullies,’ and even when time has passed, our members will live on with the title of ‘perpetrator of bullying.’ We want to receive an apology from Hyunjoo who brought this situation about, and we want to tell her to return things back to the way they were with her own hands.”



Recently, Naeun’s older sister recently revealed photos of some of the pages in Naeun’s journal to defend her. However, one of the pages behind the page shown in the photo appeared to include a sentence that was criticizing someone, leading to greater public backlash against Naeun.

Sports Kyunghyang stated that they had gotten their hands on Naeun’s journal from 2016, which was filled with APRIL’s scheduled activities, hearts and star marks next to her loved ones’ birthdays, and handwritten phone numbers of her family and manager on the last page because the group could not use their cellphones. The news outlet described her journal as “not much different from that of any other teenage girl.” She wrote about her fans, “I met our fans, and I was happy,” while referring to them respectfully. She also wrote, “It was a really fun day,” after coming home from watching a movie with her manager or group member, or “Why am I like this,” when she was scolded while recording a song, after which she added, “I’ll work harder.”

However, her journal entries from February 2016 also contained several instances of Naeun expressing her pain due to Hyunjoo’s alleged reluctance to practice, lies, and contrasting behavior. On another day in a different month, she wrote, “I want to die because of [Hyunjoo] unnie.”



Sports Kyunghyang also secured the APRIL members’ psychotherapy records, which confirmed that Naeun and Chaewon had received therapy for six months at the time of the aforementioned journal entry. The outlet added that Yena and Jinsol were too young at the time and found therapy to be too difficult.

Sports Kyunghyang revealed some more entries from the members’ journals and psychotherapy records in 2016.

On February 25, Naeun wrote in her journal, “[Hyunjoo] unnie is sick again. Even more so these days, I’m growing more tired, and the members are growing tired. I want to know what the problem is. Is it too big of a problem for me to understand… does she really want to achieve this dream?”

Naeun recorded in her journal on February 27, “[Hyunjoo] unnie is sick again. The heart is burning. She likes presents, but she says she doesn’t like practicing, working hard, and hardships. If she does it like that, will her wishes come true? Is there an answer to this? It’s a miserable and tiring day.”

Naeun’s psychotherapy record for March 31 says, “I’m in a very serious state. Several times in a day, I want to die. [Hyunjoo] only tries to win the crown without exerting any effort.”

Chaewon’s psychotherapy record on April 16 reads as follows. “She was sick during one year out of her two years as a trainee, but she’s so selfish… I don’t want to see her anymore. I also don’t like that all of the other kids are having a hard time…I’m wondering if we’re fools for working hard…I think I’m at my limit now. I’m just hanging on each day. I don’t cry much, but I’ve been crying every day recently. These days, I want to die.”


Yena wrote in her journal on May 13, “For the first time, we performed at a music show as four members. I kept getting confused because it has only been two days since it was changed to four members, so I made a mistake. I was really worried. One we stepped down from the stage, our members poured out the tears they had been holding in. I feel miserable today too.”



However, on June 21, netizens have pointed out that one of the photos presented as evidence is incorrect. APRIL shared they took the photo in 2015, but netizens claimed that it was actually taken in 2016 during their reality program “APRIL’s My Wish.” The sticker photos have the logo “STYLE NANDA” on them, but the outfit that Naeun is wearing in the photos resemble what she wore during the reality program.




Source: soompi, naver, nate, sports.khan

Date: 2021-06-22 07:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torontok.livejournal.com
Since the beginning, I've felt like the true culprit was DSP who fostered a horribly toxic environment for teens and didn't intervene in a proper way when issues started coming up.Not to mention I'm convinced at this point that their PR department graduated from Trump university

With that being said, their statements have all been so messy and full of holes that its hard to take any of them seriously.They've had months to formulate arguments yet errors and inconsistencies are continuously being found. Add to that that the narrative about Hyunjoo keeps changing from "we barely knew her" to "we were close" to "we were scared of her". And it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth about how despite knowing about her suicide attempt, they keep pushing the narrative that she was lazy and undedicated to the team. They don't seem to have matured much if they can't empathize with her struggles meanwhile Hyunjoo is coming off like Buddha reincarnated in this mess especially with her last statement

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Date: 2021-06-22 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 921227.livejournal.com
Add to that that the narrative about Hyunjoo keeps changing from "we barely knew her" to "we were close" to "we were scared of her"

I thought it was more like the progression in their relationship?? Like obvs starting out as trainees theyre unfamiliar w eachother and then forming a better relationship which, if Hyunjoo is often absent, makes them the outlier && if the other members are too be believed, her own issues would cause them to be more cautious around her

Date: 2021-06-22 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torontok.livejournal.com
It would make sense if that was how it was stated from the start but they keep changing it with every statement which makes it hard to believe

Date: 2021-06-22 09:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gathyou.livejournal.com
I can't see how anyone can not take Hyunjoo's side when she's been really cautious, respectful and quiet since the beginning whereas DSP and the members kept releasing statements with errors and contradictions.

But ever since the beginning, the main culprit for me is DSP, who fostered, then failed to change a really toxic work environment. Let's not forget that they have a suicide (allegedly) on their hands, from the same group of trainees that Youngji and some of the April members came from.

I can see how teenagers under insane pressure from their company and the industry would blame one of their team members for missing out on activities, especially if there wasn't any clear explanation about her issues being caused by mental health issues. Their actions are not to be minimized, reading between the lines and comparing the different statements, it seems that they majorly contributed to Hyunjoo's issues. But someone needed to step up, and that someone was DSP. They really failed Hyunjoo and everyone.

I really hope Hyunjoo can 1. get out of this company asap, 2. move on with her life (whether in the entertainement industry or not) and heal, and 3. that her family ends up ok too, as they've all been sued by DSP.

As for the remaining members, unless they show real growth from all this and understanding of the issues at hand, I won't support them.

I feel bad for Chaekyoung and Rachel too.

Date: 2021-06-22 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aures.livejournal.com
too long for me to read but i have said this before and i'll say it again, DSP is garbage. they really created an environment like this for these young, vulnerable children. had they treated them all well and equally, i'm sure things would not have turned out *this* bad. you can't force people to like each other, but you can make the circumstances so that they take everything out on each other OR they are able to work well together like colleagues. it's pretty clear what happened here. DSP made it all so much worse, too, for both the april members as hyunjoo.
i just feel bad for all these kids, their agency really did a number on them

Date: 2021-06-22 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 921227.livejournal.com
Read it all bc I can't remember ever seeing a whole group y'all about a bullying scandal like this (that I followed)

I want to keep open minded for Hyunjoo bc it is something difficult to talk about, but it's hard demonizing a group of teenage girls for being teenagers. && I don't particularly think either side is 100% correct in their retelling of events, I do think they all think they're accurate. Time distorts so much that even if some of these events are true, most ppl are never going to feel the same way in that moment they would in present day

I don't think the current April members are malicious bullys and I don't think Hyunjoo is 100% guiltless — I think DSP dropped a ball and left a bunch of teenage girls who are overworked, overstressed, isolated from their friend and families && left them to their own devices in an unsafe way.



Date: 2021-06-22 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodtaki2.livejournal.com

"Demonizing a group of teenage girls for being teenagers"


bullying is a serious social issue that sometimes can lead people to have lasting trauma, or in this case, suicide attempt, so reducing it to "teenagers being teenagers" comes off a bit dismissive and callous even if that's maybe not your intention.

Date: 2021-06-22 01:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 921227.livejournal.com
To me teenagers — being maybe careless with others things, the lack of emotional maturity to address issues you have with ppl who are effectively your co-worker, the inability to set clear boundaries — it isn't my intention, but since I am older, I try not to be hypocritical of a teenagers actions when, truthfully speaking, I don't have a full social context for what's occurring

Date: 2021-06-22 04:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kazu-kumaguro.livejournal.com
I was bullied/teased throughout primary to middle school and I still have trust and confidence issue until now, 15 years later. and anyway the main issue is not with what happened back then (which is still not super great), but how they're responding to this, which just display lack of empathy and growth tbh.

Date: 2021-06-22 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daynr.livejournal.com
yeah, when I read these statements I see a lot of emotion, resentment, pressure, etc. Hyungjoo being sick might have had less emotional resilience/increased sensitivity, but the other girls also being overworked can start to develop negative emotions too. It can create an increasing negative cycle between them. They were teenagers, under pressure, probably under fed, and they probably had not yet developed an understanding of different peoples/perspectives.... and their BRAINS are not fully developed, which affects perspective, cognition, and sympathy.

I teach kids, and I think we forget that at this age they are self-centered and are less likely to have developed emotional intelligence. I see kids say something to a group of 3, and all 3 take it differently, while the original speaker only understands her own intentions/how she would have taken it. Put that in a blender with DSP, a country with a strong work ethic, little mental health dialogue, etc., and . . . right now, I lean towards this a really complicated situation with the truth somewhere in between all of this mess.

And adults looking back at that age .... most of us really don't remember what it felt like/how limited our brains still were due to natural development. I mean, I see adults all over who refuse to be objective or separate their own emotions/perspective from any situation, but we expect it of idols, even when teenagers?
Edited Date: 2021-06-22 05:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2021-06-24 08:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefertitii.livejournal.com
mte. it doesnt sound like malicious bullying but it sounds like a terrible environment without any support from the adults. and we know how cut throat and hierarchical trainee/idol life is, so if hyunjoo kept missing practices/performances then 100% the company was blaming the other members for not keeping her in check. and given that they were tweens/teenagers, there is no way they would be able to handle this in a mature manner.

Date: 2021-06-22 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] myrrhcat.livejournal.com
i agree with you, as with some of these other scandals where i've seen you comment. i can understand why ppl jump to siding with the accuser* when it's one person's words against another (or a group of others) but as someone whose personality has changed in so many ways since high school and who barely remembers anything about my interpersonal relationships during that time, i can't imagine holding a teenager's alleged actions against the adult they grew up to be.

*eta not to say ppl should side AGAINST hyunjoo either, i support her unequivocally but that doesn't equate to condemning the others, for me. basically i think this whole thing is nobody's business but the ppl involved
Edited Date: 2021-06-23 12:01 am (UTC)

Date: 2021-06-22 12:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kazu-kumaguro.livejournal.com
seriously just from all statements DSP and April members have released, they basically admitted that they're ostracising/bullying Hyunjoo to the point of her suicide attempts and health issues; and their defence is just trying to justify their bad treatments, which in short is both admission of guilt and victim blaming.
And every single defence posts from employees and family members just keeping adding fuel to the fire because let's face it, they're guilty as they can be.

I just can't with anyone who's siding from them.

Date: 2021-06-22 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodtaki2.livejournal.com

People kill themselves because of bullying. Being young doesn't excuse anything. Being young doesn't mean your actions don't have consequences and don't hurt others. Some people who were bullied still have trauma from their childhood. So no, this can't be swept under a rug just because they were minors and because it was a couple years ago. For some of you, it's nothing. For others, these are wounds that are still healing or that are still festering because they got no closure. It's not up to us to decide if it was just kids being childish. This is really dismissive of people's feelings and personal experience, in the same vein as "boys will be boys". Where's the limit? Slapping is a no no, but mocking someone on a regular basis is just kids being immature? It's not to us outsiders to judge if the victim is overreacting or if it's "justified" pain.


People have pointed out there are things that don't add up, and they switch versions when confronted with proofs (like saying hyunjoo wasn't there for x performance so they had to adjust the choreography, but she did perform on stage). Their stories are not really credible. Besides, it's clear there is no introspection, no regret, and no apology for what happened to hyunjoo. People make mistake. People are allowed to grow. People are allowed to feel regret and shame for their past action. People can try and change to a better version of themselves. These girls have shown none of that. All they're doing is trying to justify why they bullied her. They're feeling bad not for what they did, they feel bad that their past actions were uncovered and now have to face the music.

Edited Date: 2021-06-22 03:19 pm (UTC)

Date: 2021-06-22 04:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kazu-kumaguro.livejournal.com
thank you for voicing up my problem with the rest of the girls, maybe they had misunderstanding or whatsoever, but their reaction from the beginning is full defensive and showing no character growth and empathy, which is the main reason why they got attacked so badly really. I don't understand why some people are still trying to be 'neutral' or even siding with the members.

Date: 2021-06-23 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodtaki2.livejournal.com

It's "funny" to me to see how if it's bullying, it was "a product of their environment", they were young amd immature amd didn't know better bla bla bla, but if these girls had said something racist, suddenly, they should know better, they have internet, ignorance isn't an excuse anymore, they need to apologise properly. The double standard is fascinating.

Date: 2021-06-23 12:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kazu-kumaguro.livejournal.com
Yeah, really disagree with the second one and tbh the second one is so much more understandable than the first one because bullying is bad in any culture, you don’t need any cultural or reference context, and the effect on the victims is usually severe and permanent.
while on the second one, people have different information exposure and understanding. and yes they’re dumb and it’s important to give them understand that it’s not okay and collectively damaging, but are you getting injury and/or deep trauma from stupid shits idols who you never know personally said/done? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Date: 2021-06-22 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] em-cavey.livejournal.com
I don’t have much to say on whether or not this is true, frankly I don’t know and no one really knows, but it’s interesting that Hyunjoo posted asking people to stop demonizing and attacking the other members. It does make me uneasy when people are blown up for things like this publicly if they aren’t an actual danger to others. You can't count on the public to be fair or reasonable, there are a lot of callously indifferent or outright deranged people out there. Most people aren’t out for justice, they’re out for blood and they’re more likely to create more victims rather than appease the ones that exist. The bottom line is no one outside of the people involved will ever really know what happened absent of hard proof but it doesn’t matter because a lot of people don’t actually care and that bell can’t be unrung. Who knows what Hyunjoo wanted when she made the accusations but it does seem like she’s uncomfortable with how badly the others are being attacked. I just hope everyone can find some sort of resolution that brings them peace.

But I AM sure that DSP ain't shit and the real fault lies with them imo. All the girls were young doing a very hard job under a ton of stress in an tough living situation and things can easily spin out control in those circumstances, especially if they're not close with each other. Relationships usually aren’t linear or one-dimensional, the “truth” of everything that happened between all of them over several years is probably a lot more complex than either side being fully right or wrong. It seems pretty likely some of the others were unkind to her sometimes but if Hyunjoo was already depressed and unhappy, it’s definitely possible she misinterpreted or misunderstood some things as well. But no matter what DSP should have been the adults in the room and set things straight for these kids that were working for them and their failure to do so made everything so much worse for everyone.

Date: 2021-06-22 04:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kazu-kumaguro.livejournal.com
Hyunjoo didn't make the accusation publicly in the first place, her brother posted (because he's understandably upset about her situation), DSP sued him, and she had no choice but to speak up about the issue. If there's anything that I interpret from the whole situation is that Hyunjoo has shown to have empathy while the other are displaying the lack of it.

Date: 2021-06-23 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lightframes.livejournal.com
Yeah, if my brother spoke up trying to defend me, and then people started attacking him because of that, I would have to speak up, too.

Date: 2021-06-22 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daynr.livejournal.com
I agree, this seems complicated and grey.

Date: 2021-06-23 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chiives.livejournal.com
this is my take on it tbh. hyunjoo already had general health issues as a trainee and still managed to debut, if it's true that she missed practice often and got to go home when she felt unwell, i can actually see why the other girls would resent her, and i can also see why hyunjoo felt ostracized. I really don't even think the other girls meant to be unkind, but they were probably harsher with her because she supposedly had "privileges" that none of the other girls got, and it likely came off as bullying to hyunjoo, who was already mentally unwell by that point. dsp should have tried to nip that shit up right from the beginning.

Date: 2021-06-22 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenmedea.livejournal.com
Well this was a headache to read. There's a lot there and it seems like it's really DSP's fault.

How old was everyone when this crap was going on? April debuted in August 2015 so...
Somin - 19-20 (and she left after three months but Hyunjoo said the bullying started in 2014, so I'm including her)
Chaewon - 17-18 (late 1997)
Hyunjoo - 17-18 (early 1998)
Naeun - 16-17 (May 1999)
Yena - 15-16 (May 2000)
Jinsol - 13-14 (December 2001 - seriously?!)

They were so young, wow. I hadn't realized. And Hyunjoo was older than three of them. What happened to all the rules around respect based on age? I thought those were especially strict in idol groups.

It also sounds like both sides could have valid perspectives? In his original letter, Hyunjoo's brother said she was bullied and ostracized, which, if she was struggling with mental health and not living in the dorms, probably felt true to her. I imagine there was resentment from the other members about the fact that she got to live with her family while they were stuck together in the dorms and I'm sure she felt disconnected from the group, since she wasn't with them most of the time.

Some the specific accusations don't hold much weight (such as the shoes) but there's nothing here suggesting it wasn't a toxic environment. In fact, I'd say the members are accidentally hinting that it was. Just not only for Hyunjoo.

This is one of the few bullying scandals where I actually feel bad for everyone involved. It seems like they were all young teenagers hanging on by their fingernails, misdirecting their frustration at each other because they couldn't do anything about the real perpetrator, DSP. Now, the current April members seem to be in agreement that they aren't necessarily going to be best friends but that they all want to be idols and perform and keep April going. I imagine they felt that way when they were young, but they probably didn't have any good way to think about it or articulate it clearly, to themselves or each other. Being an idol is ridiculously difficult (even without the crappy management and toxic practices) and not everyone is cut out for it.

Honestly, what did DSP expect to happen when they threw a bunch of children in a group together, over worked them, didn't provide them with enough food or allow for enough sleep, and only provided minimal guidance and oversight?

Should anyone under the age of 18 be allowed to debut? 16 at the youngest, and that's pushing it. I still can't believe Jinsol was 13, ffs.

*edit - spelling
Edited Date: 2021-06-22 07:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2021-06-22 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goshipgurl.livejournal.com
Sports Kyunghyang also secured the APRIL members’ psychotherapy records

HOW? Did DSP give them the records and even if: How did DSP manage to get their hands on those? Jesus christ this seems extreme.

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