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omonatheydidThe Korean music scene is flooded with annual awards ceremonies ― Golden Disc Awards, Korean Music Awards (KMA), Seoul Music Awards, Gaon Chart Music Awards, Mnet Asian Music Awards (MAMA), Melon Music Awards (MMA), Soribada Best K-Music Awards and The Fact Music Awards among many others.
Quite a few of them were launched after the country's three major broadcasters KBS, MBC and SBS eliminated their end-of-year music awards in 2006-7 over persistent disputes about fairness. The reason for the growth in the number of events is simple ― organizing music awards ceremonies is highly profitable.
According to industry insiders, all participants perform for free at such events in return for receiving prizes and being "honored." Unlike other types of events, organizers do not have to give them much other than transportation fees in most cases.
Once the stars show up, event hosts can easily attract K-pop fans, who will even pay for the right to vote for their favorite singers in the competition, and sponsors, who are able to capitalize on their attention in the media.
Such an inundation of awards ceremonies, however, has stirred up a myriad of problems.
Music awards are losing credibility
Too many awards have created a reputation problem for them all.
"With the emergence of several of what I would call unqualified awards, people have come to think that music awards in Korea do not deserve prestige and credibility," Kim Jin-woo, head researcher at Gaon Chart ― one of Korea's most trustworthy album/streaming charts ― told The Korea Times. Kim also is one of the judges for the Gaon Chart Music Awards and the MAMAs this year.
"Many awards these days have failed to win the respect of the general public. Some of them do not reveal the name of the judges or they reflect the judges' subjective opinions to an excessive degree, while others conceal the weight of each evaluation criterion. Hence, even those awards that assess the candidates based on objective data are together thought to be lacking in credibility."
Critic Han Dong-yoon, a writer for music magazine IZM, agrees. Han, who has been a judge for the KMA, says, for the awards to build credibility, organizers should choose credible judges with convincing credentials.
"Also, their names and voting results should be disclosed transparently, so there won't be any room for controversy," he added.
Another big problem is "giving for the sake of giving."
"The organizers have added so many redundant categories to give out prizes to as many stars as possible (as a means of bringing them to the events) and to avoid the fans' grievances, but this has been tarnishing their names," Han pointed out.
"Numerous awards organizers are merely taking advantage of popular K-pop idols for their own benefit. It is now like a duty for the bands to take part in the awards despite their hectic schedules, because they can face disadvantages in the future if they skip the events."
Fairness and diversity needed
Nevertheless, experts predict the number of such events will continue to increase because there is no reason for organizers to give up such an important source of revenue. But the experts say, to keep the events interesting and relevant, the organizers should do more to earn credibility and prestige.
"The organizers need to devise more suitable evaluation criteria that takes into consideration both quantitative and qualitative data," Kim said. "They should put digital streaming and album sales data first, but also have to include qualitative data to fully assess performers. They should also discover the best weighting for each criteria through trial and error and reveal them in the future."
Pursuit of musical diversity is another key.
"As of now, the awards mostly invite popular K-pop acts that are making an international splash. Korean singers of other genres such as indie and rock are snubbed despite their musical prowess, so for more diversity and artistry, the organizers need to recognize talented musicians in all fields," Han said.
I tried watching MAMA this weekend but lost interest pretty quick, I'm pretty sure I haven't watched a full award/Gayo show since 2015. Are you livestreaming or watching clips, Omona?
source: The Korea Times
Quite a few of them were launched after the country's three major broadcasters KBS, MBC and SBS eliminated their end-of-year music awards in 2006-7 over persistent disputes about fairness. The reason for the growth in the number of events is simple ― organizing music awards ceremonies is highly profitable.
According to industry insiders, all participants perform for free at such events in return for receiving prizes and being "honored." Unlike other types of events, organizers do not have to give them much other than transportation fees in most cases.
Once the stars show up, event hosts can easily attract K-pop fans, who will even pay for the right to vote for their favorite singers in the competition, and sponsors, who are able to capitalize on their attention in the media.
Such an inundation of awards ceremonies, however, has stirred up a myriad of problems.
Music awards are losing credibility
Too many awards have created a reputation problem for them all.
"With the emergence of several of what I would call unqualified awards, people have come to think that music awards in Korea do not deserve prestige and credibility," Kim Jin-woo, head researcher at Gaon Chart ― one of Korea's most trustworthy album/streaming charts ― told The Korea Times. Kim also is one of the judges for the Gaon Chart Music Awards and the MAMAs this year.
"Many awards these days have failed to win the respect of the general public. Some of them do not reveal the name of the judges or they reflect the judges' subjective opinions to an excessive degree, while others conceal the weight of each evaluation criterion. Hence, even those awards that assess the candidates based on objective data are together thought to be lacking in credibility."
Critic Han Dong-yoon, a writer for music magazine IZM, agrees. Han, who has been a judge for the KMA, says, for the awards to build credibility, organizers should choose credible judges with convincing credentials.
"Also, their names and voting results should be disclosed transparently, so there won't be any room for controversy," he added.
Another big problem is "giving for the sake of giving."
"The organizers have added so many redundant categories to give out prizes to as many stars as possible (as a means of bringing them to the events) and to avoid the fans' grievances, but this has been tarnishing their names," Han pointed out.
"Numerous awards organizers are merely taking advantage of popular K-pop idols for their own benefit. It is now like a duty for the bands to take part in the awards despite their hectic schedules, because they can face disadvantages in the future if they skip the events."
Fairness and diversity needed
Nevertheless, experts predict the number of such events will continue to increase because there is no reason for organizers to give up such an important source of revenue. But the experts say, to keep the events interesting and relevant, the organizers should do more to earn credibility and prestige.
"The organizers need to devise more suitable evaluation criteria that takes into consideration both quantitative and qualitative data," Kim said. "They should put digital streaming and album sales data first, but also have to include qualitative data to fully assess performers. They should also discover the best weighting for each criteria through trial and error and reveal them in the future."
Pursuit of musical diversity is another key.
"As of now, the awards mostly invite popular K-pop acts that are making an international splash. Korean singers of other genres such as indie and rock are snubbed despite their musical prowess, so for more diversity and artistry, the organizers need to recognize talented musicians in all fields," Han said.
I tried watching MAMA this weekend but lost interest pretty quick, I'm pretty sure I haven't watched a full award/Gayo show since 2015. Are you livestreaming or watching clips, Omona?
source: The Korea Times
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Date: 2020-12-09 02:25 am (UTC)what needs to change is the criteria for like half the awards. obviously daesangs should be given out based on numbers, no questions asked, and groups like bts would still be winning all of them in that case, but what do sales have to do with best vocal and dance performance? what's the point of awarding someone who's already won artist of the year with best female/male group? no one enjoys watching a 6h show (in general) only to see the same group win half the awards available. certain categories should be based on judge votes alone. i'd make things more interesting and shows wouldn't have to come up with so many weird participation awards since lbr there are groups more deserving of winning awards that went to bts/blackpink this year.
or alternatively cut down the groups attending to 4 or 5 and call it a day, honestly. i'd rather my faves sit them out entirely.
i haven't watched a full mama show since 2017 and even then i think it was held on multiple days and i only bothered watching one of them. the lack of female artists every year is appalling but it's been the case for a while now.
anyway, yes, i'm a bitter seventeen fan, i'll admit it!!! what's the point of bighit acquiring pledis if they can't even rig seventeen a proper award!!!
ok i'm done ^-^
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Date: 2020-12-09 04:51 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2020-12-09 02:43 am (UTC)Plus the show was on for 6 hours? And all those groups I have no interest in? Yea I’ll just watch clips online, I’m good lol
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Date: 2020-12-09 10:12 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2020-12-09 03:52 am (UTC)🤷🏽♀️
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Date: 2020-12-09 04:09 am (UTC)The award shows are just bland and predictable. Take more risks and make them events instead of pit stops to the next destinations on people’s schedules. The hosts of the award shows also need to force agencies to step up their games with their groups’ performances. Adding a simple dance break isn’t cutting it anymore. Add more cross-agency performances—ones that have been practiced more than a few hours.
But at the end of the day, until the hosts value quality over profit, it remains what it is.
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Date: 2020-12-09 04:32 am (UTC)In my +10 years as a kpop fan, I have never streamed these shitty awards and just watched my faves clips
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Date: 2020-12-10 08:41 pm (UTC)I have neither the time nor energy to stream these shows. I just tune in for the performances when they're reuploaded on YT later.
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Date: 2020-12-12 07:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-12-09 04:39 am (UTC)you wait too long (5-6 hrs) to watch your faves for few minutes then is all about the 3-4 trendy groups of this year , kpop industry is already all about big numbers but those awards ceremonies make it even more obvious, they dont care to focus in other than those idols who gives them high ratings which makes show itself so repetitive
it must be fun for top-tier groups stans but for the rest meehh, i kinda understand why iu and other people dont bother to attend even if they win
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Date: 2020-12-09 04:52 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-12-09 05:47 am (UTC)since nobody sends their groups if they aren't getting anything you have some shows then just sticking to their guns and having few performers (MMA) or you invent a bunch of awards so you can give them to other people (MAMA to some extent and the king of this are the new AAAs, hence why they're bottom of the barrel).
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Date: 2020-12-09 05:52 am (UTC)They could spice it up, have a theme for the awards that the idols have to match, more collab stages that are actually interest and not just a duet.
The actual stages themselves need to be smaller wtf do they need to take up half the arena.
I just think the award shows would be better if they treated it like the mtv awards the west has.
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Date: 2020-12-09 05:55 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-12-09 06:41 am (UTC)I have never watched a show in full, my time is better spend elsewhere. I think there was a time when atleast we got cool collaborative stages and covers out of them, but even that is a snooze now.
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Date: 2020-12-09 10:04 am (UTC)I never cared about prizes, and I’d rather just watch the performances from groups I like /shrug
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Date: 2020-12-09 10:29 am (UTC)I haven't cared for the awards in a LONG time. Maybe because as a 10 year long fan, I've seen them already. I don't know if the small suspens I felt then made sense, or it was because I was still fresh. But it's undeniable that awards are popularity contexts now. Of course awards always are about popularity, but I think there also need to be a balance between popularity and judging based on the release itself to keep people guessing until the last moment. Are the public going to turn in if they know the two most popular groups are going to grab everything? Or that there are a bazillion useless awards so no one feels left out? Both totally remove any excitement for the awards themselves.
Performances also need to be interesting. I enjoyed some this year and I feel like I can't be too harsh, as covid prevented more collabs from happening. And I can't blame the idols either, why would they work their asses more than the usually do for one 4min performance out of dozens. The last striking moment I remember from an award show was that 2NE1 performance, everything since kinda blurs together. Have less performances and pay more attention to them, to make them different than regular shows, to give an outlet for idols to show off. It needs a major overhaul.
And, most of all, SECURITY. We saw last year with Wendy how end-of-the-year/award shows don't care about the safety of the idols (and I don't want to imagine how it's like for unknown staff members) so it's hard to care. Ffs the last show had idols and their staff wait in their cars in a parking lot because they couldn't provide a warm, covid-safe environement for them. If it's too hard for you, push it back, or just cancell the whole thing???
Finally, as a gg fan... more ggs please omg. Half of the awards (except those solely based on sales like daesangs) are for women, why are so few of them performing comparatively?
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Date: 2020-12-09 11:22 am (UTC)always just watched the clips of performances, which are much easier to find these days as there are official uploads. ain't nobody got time to watch through groups I don't care about.
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Date: 2020-12-09 12:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-12-09 02:32 pm (UTC)Is it because it’s not our faves winning but someone else’s?
Now we get a million think-pieces but back then we just got articles about GD being such a bad-ass and not much discourse after he came back to win more awards. But now it’s unfair and we must change the system!
The AMAs exist and they use the exact same standards as Korean awards shows and no one seems to have a problem there.
When you’re dealing with a juggernaut the answer is not to change the system. It’s to adapt. If the criteria was adapted to acknowledge that, I think it would be taken more seriously and we would see actual change rather than salty stans crying over lost prestige.
No awards show needs to be that long or treat it’s audience and it’s participants as poorly as some still do. Especially under the guise of COVID restrictions. I have no issue with getting rid of attendance awards. If you can’t make it to an award show that’s not a good enough reason to award it to someone else.
Also while we are on the topic, girl groups have always dominated the streaming landscape over the physical one and there are at the very least 2 awards shows that they win at big because of it. The same goes for other genres outside of K-Pop. The rest put more emphasis on physical sales and fandom driven voting mechanisms. Why are these fandom driven ones treated as inferior? Is it because the fanbases who dominate that landscape are skewed toward one gender over another?
Again, to me if it’s a matter of equitable distribution of time to perform and representation I am all for it, but if it’s about giving everyone an award for putting on a show that’s patently unfair.
Also it’s always been stans who watch awards shows for the prestige, the rest of us have always only watched it for the performances, that’s not just a K-Pop thing.
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Date: 2020-12-09 05:52 pm (UTC)But now I don't care for most of the groups so I can't be bothered, I also don't want to watch groups that are way more deserving of certain awards not get them and receive participation awards instead.
Some awards should be given based on votes but others where they're more about skills like best dance performance should be judge based only. What's the point in groups getting those skill based awards when their performance obviously didn't deserve it?????? Then it just becomes a BS award that doesn't mean anything.
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Date: 2020-12-10 04:32 pm (UTC)only watched taemin, twice and Boa’s performances this years mama... I’m shook at people streaming 6 hours long award shows it’s such a waste of time now.
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Date: 2020-12-10 08:58 pm (UTC)I don't stream these award shows, mainly because I don't care for majority of the attendees and because the performances are usually not that much different that what they usually do. Mostly, the only difference is the inclusion of a pretty stage, intro video, a remix and a dance break. Rinse and repeat. I don't need to sit through streaming lag when I can just watch the performance on YouTube later in higher quality. On top of that, there is a disparity in the length of the stages. Does one artist really need to perform for 15 - 30 minutes, whilst others barely get 5 minutes or have their stages cut? There is so much unfairness that it is ridiculous.
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Date: 2020-12-10 10:13 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-12-11 06:14 am (UTC)busker busker did end up winning, and everyone became silent. Cherry blossom ending was huge like how could they not win??? kpop fans live in their own bubble idk. anyways sorry for the story time.
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Date: 2020-12-11 01:55 am (UTC)International fans have a very warped view of what and who is actually popular in SK. It's like how I saw a tweet about how AKMU don't seem to have a lot of fans so the OP thought they were underrated, when AKMU is indeed a chart monster and does much better on the charts than majority of the fandoms on stat twt. Having an online presence is not representative of actual popularity on the charts in all cases.
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Date: 2020-12-11 02:53 am (UTC)No offense to Everglow, I love them but they don’t chart at all and don’t sell a lot of albums. If you want them there with all the other nugu faves that’s fine but it comes off like fans think they’re way bigger than they actually are.
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Date: 2020-12-11 03:20 am (UTC)It's like how NCT has this huge fanbase and have recently experienced a huge boost in sales that would give you the impression that they're way more popular than they actually are, but they're still relatively unknown in SK especially because they haven't had the best charting history. For an SM group, they still haven't achieved a viral hit on the level of Growl, Sorry Sorry, RDD, Gee or Mirotic. Like when the 97 line scandal happened, a lot of people were clowning on Jaehyun because in comparison to BTS and Seventeen...No one knew he was, much less NCT. At least they agreed that he was handsome, but that was about it.
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Date: 2020-12-11 05:07 am (UTC)the biggest song of 2019 in korea was anne maries 2002 (unfortunately lmao) but like did she crack the top 10 on melon (honestly idk did she?? im gonna assume no).
im not saying international fans opinion dont matter, they do, if not they matter more now since k-pop in korea is almost dead. its almost disney channel music dead. And i honestly dont say this as someone who stans none nugu idols, im saying this as someone who stans ONF, who have 5 fans in total ok like we gotta accept the reality our faves are screwed.
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Date: 2020-12-11 05:27 am (UTC)I think Anne-Marie did crack the top 10 at one point, but I definitely know she stayed in the top 50 for months. I've noticed Anne-Marie, Maroon 5, Dua Lipa, Troye Sivan, Ariana Grande, Conan Grey and Billie Eilish charting on melon for the longest while. I hadn't expected their songs to be so popular there but I guess they are.
Most Koreans don't care much for idol music and that's why now more than ever, the international market seems more promising. However, it's even harder to break out in the international market than in the local market. I've accepted that some of my faves will never get popular and that's okay but it still sucks lol Fame and fortune is not guaranteed to any idol, only few will actually make a name for themselves in the long run.
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Date: 2020-12-11 06:09 am (UTC)it really is sad, im happy ONF finally sold 100k albums, but its all thanks to their success on RTK. i feel sorry for these kids who spend their whole 20s training for their companies to not even promote them properly or give them some noisy sounding ear piercing song they know the korean public will hate. like why do ppl think nct is still flopping? its almost like sm set them up so that they cant have domestic success, exos and bts' hit songs are all the ones that are the least noisy why arent companies realizing this.
anyways i really hope somehow kpop saves itself in korea cause the music is getting worse since its made for an international market, but i guess thats my own opinion and a rant for another day.
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Date: 2020-12-11 06:31 am (UTC)On one hand, I hate those survival shows, but on the other hand, it does give some lucky contestants the push they need to become more popular - if they make it far enough. It sucks that you dedicate all this time and energy - even giving up your whole childhood - for a dream that may never become reality. A lot of trainees think that once they debut, then they've already made it when the real struggle is actually making a name for yourself and becoming successful. Oh yes, I agree about NCT. I do love the members, but I won't deny the fact that their songs are very much hit or miss for me just because of the noisy factor. It's why I prefer Dream's music to 127 because none of Dream's TTs are noisy...Whereas 127's TTs are either noisy or not so noisy. At this rate, SM needs to change NCT's sound because the noise route is not the way to go if they actually want a hit any time soon. Give them a song like EXO or BTS and that might actually land them a decent hit. Companies are so focused on trying to set themselves apart from other acts that they fail to realize that if something is too unusual and just isn't catchy enough, then no one is going to be receptive to it.
Honestly, at the rate kpop is going, we are never getting another BG as big as EXO or BTS. Being in the Big3 isn't a guarantee for public appeal either because Stray Kids (JYP), NCT (SM) and Treasure (YG) have the sales but do they have any hits? Much less, do they even have enough international appeal to be able to survive in the overseas market? If the local market is dying, I can't see the international market being much better. We can only hope that the idol industry somehow revives itself at some point.
I'm up to hearing your rant because I always like hearing people's opinions on the matter lol
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Date: 2020-12-11 06:44 pm (UTC)NCT would have been a top boy group by now if their they had one line up. sm decided to make them Koreas akb48 when Korean fans hate concepts like that. its a clear money grab and an unstable emotional investment for fans. k-pop fans in Korea are students who stan idols to feel less lonely and give them strength, a group like that is not gonna attract that audience.
Im not gonna be an old grandma who says "back in my day the music was good" cause i understand trends change and things will not stay how they were in 2009, BUT what i can complain about is how companies are overly westernizing idol music despite them debuting them in the korean market. The term for korean pop music genre in korean is "Gayo" and its a really distinctive sound, obviously the best example are ballads and drama OSTs but it extends idol music too. groups who still make Gayo sounding songs (BTOB) are doing very well for themselves even without a huge fandom cause they're making music for the korean market.
I use to stan BTS in 2016~2018 but ever since they got big in the USA their music has lost any inch of Gayo sound, including the way they sing their songs. And i checked out the credits of their music on melon and theres always white people (along with 15 other people credited in ONE song) so it pisses me off that bighit is doing this to the group. Their music for me sounds uninspired now. i loved wings and even the tear album was fantastic but the albums that followed are not at the level BTS deserve. They deserve the best quality and they would get it if bighit stopped working with any white artist that approaches the group. BTS' most popular song in korea is Boy with luv, and im not surprised. that was a Gayo song, it was catchy, fun and they sang it in a Gayo way and there was nothing noisy about it. Then they released ON and its their worst performing single since they shot to fame. Sia gave them a half assed song and i cant believe bighit was like wow this is great for their 7th album. im sure yoongi could have produced something more unique in his sleep but ANYWAYS im gonnqa stop now cause this is my very subjective opinion.
idek what my point is... i guess i think if Gayo were to come back in style, k-pop might revive itself. i also know groups can still not do well even if they do make gayo pop. like ONEUS' discography sounds like old k-pop (altho theyre fairly new so who knows they could shoot to fame). WM groups also produce gayo pop but WM sucks at promoting their groups. im sure theres other groups too but i just dont know them. anyways i sound serious but im not. i really dont take music this seriously im just ranting cause im bored
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Date: 2020-12-11 07:30 pm (UTC)I agree that NCT could have actually been popular if they had the right concept and the right sound. It took me the longest while to warm up to them because I loathe the idea of the rotating and graduation system. Koreans hate that concept. There is literally no successful group that has managed to pull it off. But also, SM really should have known from the get go that it was a bad idea because they tried it with SuJu and fans protested, so they dropped it real quick. Apparently EXO was supposed to have a rotating concept as well, but thankfully that never panned out. So now they've decided to do so with NCT and yet...Even though they've implemented it, NCT has been around for 4 years without one viral hit song.
I got into kpop around 2010, so I can totally see what you mean. Despite debuting in the kpop market, they keep trying to westernize the sound instead of adapting to the gayo sound. That's probably why most of the newer songs and groups don't typically appeal to me. AKMU has that kind of gayo sound for me and I love it, in comparison to other YG groups where they just sound like whatever is in the mainstream top 50 on the Hot 100.
Ah yes, I got into BTS in 2016 but I kind of fell off from the ARMY train after 2018 because their sound wasn't really doing it for me anymore. I still listen to their newer music but most of it doesn't hit the same as it used to. The way they sing now and the over use of autotune really dampens the songs for me as well. I have nothing against them experimenting with their sound and working with new people, but I feel like whilst the message is their in the lyrics - the sound that is to bring that message to life is a little lacking. They're working with a ton of white people on these songs that don't really suit the kpop market - but then again, maybe they're doing it on purpose to appeal to the western market. What disappointed me about BE was how it was an album that I expected them to have a bigger hand in but whilst they did take on larger roles, there could have been more done. I am especially displeased at the fact that the album had less than 10 songs on it but yet it was so ridiculously expensive. I did enjoy most of the songs on it, however, LGO falls a little flat for me because it's not the Spring Day I was hoping for.
I think I kind of get what point you're aiming at. The gayo sound is what makes kpop essentially kpop, so the fact that they've moved away from that kind of sound is probably why it has lost steam. However, there isn't any guarantee that going back to that sound will bring back success either. I don't really take kpop that seriously anymore, if anything, I'm more of a casual listener now because I have neither the time nor energy to be stanning anyone. I will listen to whoever piques my interest and that's that.
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Date: 2020-12-11 09:04 pm (UTC)And honestly, this maybe be controversial to say (and im probably ignorant like im not a bighit employee), but BTS don't produce their own music like their fans say they do. They do have a hand in their music, but rappers being in the credits list does not mean they produced the song, its an automatic thing that happens with all rappers. once you write a rap you usually make the melody for it too which gives you both credits. All idol rappers have their names in credits but you dont see their company (or them) going around saying they made the song. This upsets me the most because the actual producers are getting no credit at all (but i doubt they care since they're making $$$$ off of BTS name). I'm also super sus after the yoongi scandal cause he went from producing the song to not being involved in it... like??? that was peak clownery. I honestly believe bighit is forcing them to play this self produced idol role, cause the receipts don't match up when someone is listed as the 10th producer. im so mad they resigned with bighit instead of making their own company. im 100% sure bighit threatened to take away the rights to their name. why else would they stay? taehyung and jin esp looked like they were ready to dip tf out of bighit.
damn im so out of the loop tho, when did bighit release a new bg? i did not see one teaser for that. i guess they want to release groups while bts is still popular to grab peoples attention but idk if thats working. sm promoted aespa really well (noise marketting but i knew they were debuting at least). but honestly i think korea really does not give a damn about boy groups. ppl think its bg > ggs but its like ggs >>>>>>>>>>>>> bgs there.
also on the topic of yg, just look at winners and ikons biggest songs (really really, love scenario) they legit got a hit once they stopped with the clownery and released a normal k-pop song. damn i keep rambling, i just feel like our opinions match on a lot of topics so i have no filter rn.
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Date: 2020-12-12 04:06 am (UTC)then I was hoping that Black Swan would be more like BST, but that didn't really happen either.DNA and Idol have a similar noisiness about them even if they have a catchy earworm factor. I don't hate autotune, but I hate the overprocessed sound that they tend to favour in their music these days - it's what I hate the most about Black Swan because everything else about it is wonderful. Black Swan would have been perfect with raw unfiltered vocals, not the autotuned mess they choose to go with for 'stylistic symbolism' because you could hardly differentiate their voices from each other there. There has got to be better options for them to sound better than how they're sounding now.I agree about BTS producing, I've been saying that for a while - I've even mentioned it on here more than once. Fans need to understand that being credited on a song does not equate to you actually producing, composing or writing the song yourself. BTS are not the only group who participates in the production process, however, what we don't know is exactly how much they participate and I think that is where the misunderstanding is since we have the impression that they do more than they may actually do. It sucks for the actual crew behind them bringing the music to life because they may not get the necessary recognition, but they may at least be getting paid for their hard work. That Yoongi scandal was ridiculousness at it's finest and definitely made me lose some respect for him. How you gonna say you produced the song and then backtrack to say that you didn't produce it? So then it makes you wonder what other songs he has that he didn't actually produce on his own either. What was even more ironic is that there was video evidence of Yoongi listening to the sample beforehand, so that apology was BS and I'm not even sure how authentic it was. It was a PR apology but I doubt it had any sincerity to it. BH seem to have a very tight leash on how BTS identify as in regards to their image. For idols who are supposed to have a lot of 'creative freedom' they don't really have much freedom because everything they do is 'about the brand' and they don't do any individual activities. I'd say they have much more restrictions that the normal idols, so I wouldn't put it past BH to put a leash on them so they can keep them as their cash cows. I think Tae and Jin were ready to bounce, especially considering that they have interests outside of the group activities.
BH released a new BG when they launched their survival show called I-land. I hate the idea of survival shows, but that seems to be the fastest way for groups to gain popularity before debut. It worked for Winner, Ikon, Pentagon and all the Produce contestants, now it worked for Enhyphen. I am sure BTS' popularity aided in TXT's popularity, but I doubt they'll ever attain the popularity of BTS at their peak. Aespa was bound to be popular even if their concept was...questionable. The new SM GG was rumoured for years, so the hype has been simmering for a long time. BGs may have bigger fanbases, but GGs definitely do better in digitals because they have more hits. Most of the hits this year alone were from GGs. So yes, GGs>>>>>>BGs for sure.
Funny enough, Really Really and Love Scenario are the only songs I listen to by Winner and Ikon lol The rest of their songs are more or less a pass for me minus a few. I know their debuts were pretty well received, but they definitely didn't blow up as much as they could have until these songs.
You can keep rambling because I realize we see eye to eye on a lot of things, but we should probably move our discussion to the inbox so we don't overwhelm this post with how long this thread is about to get lol
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Date: 2020-12-11 04:27 pm (UTC)At least, that's my understanding.
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Date: 2020-12-11 06:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-12-11 06:47 pm (UTC)I like the idea of a global kpop awards. Because most of the time, that's what it is for. International fans. Maybe someone will come up with that. I might watch that if the artist tried to to speak in Portugese or Russia or something. THAT would be enough for me to watch.
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Date: 2020-12-11 04:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-12-11 04:22 pm (UTC)