I found more interesting the short conversation of the girl with her parents than all the rest of things talked on these videos. And I don't know why the second video is called like that because they don't talk much about Jay Park
Solji is very pretty I wonder though... some of her tattoos seems very on the "classic japanese" style; could that be an issue too?
The part with her parent was a bit heartbreaking because they're just so worried for her, I felt like a voyeur >.<
The second video title feels like click bait
"Body art & South korea's prejudices" Again for the people in the back: LET'S NOT PRETEND THIS IS JUST IN SOUTH KOREA
Half the wannabe rapper tattoo themselves to "look gangsta"
Gangs do see tattoos as a form of recognition Member of the russian mafia tattoo their "story" on their body Tattoo were a sign of outlaws in japan They're a tradition in the yakuza community Prisoner/criminals were marked in similar fashion
France has the five dots tattoo
star tattoos are used to identify member of the italian mafia
There is a stigma around tattoos in a huge number of country STOP IMPLYING IT'S ONLY IN SK
THIS! THANK YOU! It was annoying me so much how in all these videos they were talking like it's something weird for Korea to relate tattoos to a bad image (gangsters or something else) when it happens in A LOT of places.
yeah the difference is that in Korea (and japan too) the older generation still see tattoos as ONLY for gangsters/mafia/gangs whilst in the West that view has shifted dramatically decades ago.
define west... it's not only cause of mafia associations that grandparents freak out, tattoos are also associated with people killed in concentration camps. idk maybe in some parts of the west wwii wasn't that much of a thing to leave an effect.
i'm talking about the ~Western world~ America, Western/Central Europe, Part of Africa, etc?
I know in some European countries like Germany or Poland a lot of people shy away from letters/numbers tattoos because of what you say, but still tattoos are not traditionally a cause of getting disowned by your family like it is in Japan or Korea (because of its association with criminal, mafia, etc).
I have to disagree I'm from France and the view hasn't change "dramatically" More people have tattoos, popular stars have tattoos but the regular joe better hide them really well to get a job (unless it's in the cosmetic/fashion industry and even there it's difficult). It's still perceived as "bad news"
I totally agree with your examples and here in Poland older generation also has prejudies agains tattoos. But due our last century history beside criminals and gangsters people with tattoos are also ex-prisoners of concentration camps who were marked with thier prison number. Ofc ppl with them and ppl who remember about them on the daily basis are absolute minority but they still are.
Also, small titbit - probably in the Ancient Mesopotamia slaves were tattooed but nothing is confirmed, I heared there is research going on about this issue. And I don't know if ppl born slaves were tattooed, ppl who became slaves (for examples due to debts) or both. Unfortunetly we also don't know what society thought about tattoos - if they were just infos or reason to discriminate someone :(
I'm inclined to believe it's true, slaves and criminals were often branded like chattel In France the fleur de lys was used like that (it's more branding than tattooing though)
People's view are changing for the best but I can't blame older generation for associating tattoos with criminal activities (or concentration camps like you mentionned) There's history behind it
And I don't like that she's somehow implying that "the west" is better in that regards There is a cultural background to take into consideration here
That actually part of research - if it was tattoo or a brand, and if the latter was is directly on the skin or was it removable.
Yeah, a history is a huge factor behind all of our opinions and we tend to forget about it.
Hmm, sure, cultural background should be always taken into consideration but I little bit agree with her. If we want to generalize I believe West's opinion is changing quicker than East's because of our media which started to desensitize us to tattoos sooner than East's (as in it's almost common to see tattooed celebrities and it's not shocking anymore to see tattooed ppl on the streets because tattoos are in-fashion).
And ah, do you know if there is any book, research about tattoo in the human culture? Like general one, without focus on one particular country? It would be amazing to read about it some more, from more scholar perspective :D
watching this i feel like Grace too , i feel like i'm a 14 y again .... 10 year ago when my older sister (who was just 16 back then) said to our parents she got a tattoo during a study trip in argentina and my parents reacted somehow like this girl parents "yeah, because you like it i will try to understand this trend ,also you already did it so there's not much i can say about it now"
i know in korea getting a tatoo its technically a crime, so of course our circunstances are very diferent
but yes, i feel like i'm watching a super old documentary about getting tatoos
(Totally OT ... but what kind of coat is grace wearing???? looks like a giant blacket and actually pretty comfy lol)
other than what has already been said, that this is not only in south korea...
this is beautifully shot and edited, and i'm sure grace is a nice girl, but the whole thing stinks regardless.
i feel like she's trying to sell 'oh tattooing is such a great way of self-expression', 'be yourself, do whatever you want with your body' but then she's just talking down on plastic surgery and make up cause...? why exactly? it's all societal pressure? these are not that different as she's trying to make it seem.
yeah idk again it's nicely shot, so i enjoyed watching for that reason, the contents i have way more problems with than what i wrote above.
I didn't get the feeling that she was talking DOWN on plastic surgery per se but more criticizing the reasons that people get it (societal pressures - as in, is it really what they want? are they being true to themselves by getting it? kind of thing)
idt she'd be criticizing it outright when she's gotten multiple cosmetic surgeries herself.
In the previous video she was very judgmental on the PS subject She made it seem like young girls were almost forced to do it And there is a lot of social pressure around ps, it's true but her discourse was a bit OTT
yeah I get where people are coming from but I guess living in Korea I'm also really subjected to these societal pressures so have a tendency to accept any bashing of them bc they affect me so much lmao but her being from the outside it does sound more like unwarranted criticism, you're right
The original title of the second video was "Jay Park is K-pop's Answer to Justin Beiber" when Jay is hardly in the video. I hate this series, it's click-baiting with a holier-than-thou narrative. mess
aw the father and daughter tattoo bit got me in the feels
my mother used to be super strict about piercings and tattoos and when I was 20, I got my angelbites (two piercings on each side of my upper lip) and nose pierced and she was surprisingly supportive (even though I told I planned on getting my septum done for my 25th birthday and she almost swatted me halfway across the world LOL)
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Date: 2016-05-23 08:02 pm (UTC)I wonder though... some of her tattoos seems very on the "classic japanese" style; could that be an issue too?
The part with her parent was a bit heartbreaking because they're just so worried for her, I felt like a voyeur >.<
The second video title feels like click bait
"Body art & South korea's prejudices"
Again for the people in the back:
LET'S NOT PRETEND THIS IS JUST IN SOUTH KOREA
Half the wannabe rapper tattoo themselves to "look gangsta"
Gangs do see tattoos as a form of recognition
Member of the russian mafia tattoo their "story" on their body
Tattoo were a sign of outlaws in japan
They're a tradition in the yakuza community
Prisoner/criminals were marked in similar fashion
France has the five dots tattoo
star tattoos are used to identify member of the italian mafia
There is a stigma around tattoos in a huge number of country
STOP IMPLYING IT'S ONLY IN SK
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Date: 2016-05-23 08:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-23 09:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-23 09:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-23 10:09 pm (UTC)I know in some European countries like Germany or Poland a lot of people shy away from letters/numbers tattoos because of what you say, but still tattoos are not traditionally a cause of getting disowned by your family like it is in Japan or Korea (because of its association with criminal, mafia, etc).
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Date: 2016-05-24 06:39 am (UTC)I'm from France and the view hasn't change "dramatically"
More people have tattoos, popular stars have tattoos but the regular joe better hide them really well to get a job (unless it's in the cosmetic/fashion industry and even there it's difficult).
It's still perceived as "bad news"
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Date: 2016-05-23 11:47 pm (UTC)Also, small titbit - probably in the Ancient Mesopotamia slaves were tattooed but nothing is confirmed, I heared there is research going on about this issue. And I don't know if ppl born slaves were tattooed, ppl who became slaves (for examples due to debts) or both. Unfortunetly we also don't know what society thought about tattoos - if they were just infos or reason to discriminate someone :(
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Date: 2016-05-24 08:20 am (UTC)In France the fleur de lys was used like that (it's more branding than tattooing though)
People's view are changing for the best but I can't blame older generation for associating tattoos with criminal activities (or concentration camps like you mentionned)
There's history behind it
And I don't like that she's somehow implying that "the west" is better in that regards
There is a cultural background to take into consideration here
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Date: 2016-05-24 11:37 am (UTC)Yeah, a history is a huge factor behind all of our opinions and we tend to forget about it.
Hmm, sure, cultural background should be always taken into consideration but I little bit agree with her. If we want to generalize I believe West's opinion is changing quicker than East's because of our media which started to desensitize us to tattoos sooner than East's (as in it's almost common to see tattooed celebrities and it's not shocking anymore to see tattooed ppl on the streets because tattoos are in-fashion).
And ah, do you know if there is any book, research about tattoo in the human culture? Like general one, without focus on one particular country? It would be amazing to read about it some more, from more scholar perspective :D
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Date: 2016-05-24 11:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-24 09:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-23 08:57 pm (UTC)i know in korea getting a tatoo its technically a crime, so of course our circunstances are very diferent
but yes, i feel like i'm watching a super old documentary about getting tatoos
(Totally OT ... but what kind of coat is grace wearing???? looks like a giant blacket and actually pretty comfy lol)
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Date: 2016-05-23 09:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-23 09:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-23 09:48 pm (UTC)this is beautifully shot and edited, and i'm sure grace is a nice girl, but the whole thing stinks regardless.
i feel like she's trying to sell 'oh tattooing is such a great way of self-expression', 'be yourself, do whatever you want with your body'
but then she's just talking down on plastic surgery and make up cause...? why exactly? it's all societal pressure? these are not that different as she's trying to make it seem.
yeah idk again it's nicely shot, so i enjoyed watching for that reason, the contents i have way more problems with than what i wrote above.
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Date: 2016-05-23 11:24 pm (UTC)idt she'd be criticizing it outright when she's gotten multiple cosmetic surgeries herself.
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Date: 2016-05-24 06:42 am (UTC)She made it seem like young girls were almost forced to do it
And there is a lot of social pressure around ps, it's true but her discourse was a bit OTT
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Date: 2016-05-24 10:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-24 03:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-23 10:04 pm (UTC)I hate this series, it's click-baiting with a holier-than-thou narrative. mess
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Date: 2016-05-24 05:02 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-05-25 11:18 am (UTC)my mother used to be super strict about piercings and tattoos and when I was 20, I got my angelbites (two piercings on each side of my upper lip) and nose pierced and she was surprisingly supportive (even though I told I planned on getting my septum done for my 25th birthday and she almost swatted me halfway across the world LOL)