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Let’s talk about sasaengs.

Sasaengs are one of the most peculiar features to K-Pop, and one that leaves many western fans scratching their heads. What motivates fans to wait in the rain for hours outside an idol’s house, hack into Twitter accounts, or break into dorms? Furthermore, how do sasaengs even know where idols live, or where they’re going to be? What is it about Korea that perpetuates sasaeng culture?

Although I’ve never been a sasaeng myself, in my three years of living in Korea, and two of being an active fan, I’ve brushed into sasaeng culture more than a few times. Before we even begin, let’s delve a bit into the fan psyche. What makes a fan into a sasaeng, and furthermore, what is a sasaeng?

To begin with, I don’t think it’s unusual to want to get to know an idol better. One thing idols are extremely good at – and maybe even trained to do – is doing just the right amount of fanservice to make fans feel close with them, but not enough to actually tell them anything. At fan recordings members will talk about funny stories about what happened the day before, what they ate for lunch, and other nonsensical anecdotes that make fans feel friendly with them.

Fans leave feeling closer to the idols because they’ve learned something that other people don’t know, and experienced a perceived “private” moment from their bias. The “dream” of having your idol recognize you is corporeal due to these interactions. However, at the same time, fans are left wanting to know more.

The reality is that after set schedules are done, a regular fan doesn’t know what happens in an idol’s private life, and although many may be curious, they’ll never act upon their curiosity. In contrast, I think sasaengs are a special breed of fan that are motivated to act on their curiosity, and it’s the desire to know more that moves them towards sasaeng behavior.

The industry feeds the fervor. Companies, and idols, are well aware of the fact that the image of “accessibility” helps out in the long run, why else would idols not be allowed to date? The tangibility of getting to know a celebrity drives fans crazy when they feel the threat to — what they may perceive as — their ownership of the idol. As it is, normal fans contribute, in various ways, financially to their favorite group. They may hire food trucks, buy albums in bulk, or simply buy expensive presents for the idols themselves. However, sasaengs take this support to the next level with more extravagant financial contributions. Although sasaengs may just seem like crazy fans to most westerners, they usually tend to be very strong, if not the strongest, financial supporters of their group – making companies, and to a certain extent, idols, reluctant to crack down on them.





Subway ads board for Dongwoo's birthday at Hapjeong Station.

The second question, what is a sasaeng, seems easy to answer at first – any fan that delves into the private life of a star – but after living in Korea, I’ve found that it isn’t nearly as black and white as it seems. If a fan plans on going to Japan and happens to know that their idol is going the same weekend, and they end up on the exact same flight (not by chance) – is that a sasaeng? What about if they happen to hear that their bias is at their family restaurant and they show up at the same time? Or if they know their idol is practicing at the company and they wait for them to leave? When does fan ardor cross the line into sasaeng behavior? A gray area exists that companies, and idols, don’t know what to do with – a level above normal fan but slightly below that of sasaeng, perpetuated by the ease in which fans can access their idols.

When we talk about Korea, the first thing to remember is that Korea is very small. A person can cover the country north-south in just four and a half hours by car. If you take the high speed rail, that cuts the time down in half. In addition, unlike other countries which may have two or three major entertainment hubs, Seoul is the sole destination for music companies and artists.

This accessibility is key in encouraging sasaeng culture. Idols are within a short, and relatively inexpensive, subway, train, or bus ride away. In addition, they live very much like ordinary citizens. Unlike American celebrities, most Korean celebrities don’t live in cloistered mansions in gated communities with 24-hour security; rather, they live in ordinary – albeit, high-end – apartment buildings with 200 or more normal families. Although it may seem amazing that sasaengs are able to break into apartment complexes and rooms, it’s actually as simple as finding the apartment building and walking in.



In addition, idols are active enough that usually fans can see their bias at least once a month, if not more. There are also opportunities to interact with them one-on-one through fan signings, or passing along letters and gifts at live recordings. Most idols also run restaurants or cafes, so even if they might not recognize you, their mom who owns the restaurant will. If you show up enough, they’ll know who you are. Also, due to the rapidity of the digital age, it’s extremely easy to keep tabs on your oppas and unnies — as long as you know the right people.

I personally witnessed the power of the fan information network when, on one of my quiet days off in Seoul, I visited INFINITE’s cafe in Seoul. A frequent attendee of music shows and recordings, I had started to be recognized by more frequent fans, and they updated me on the status of the idols. They knew Sunggyu was in the building because someone had been sitting outside the cafe hours before when he walked in. They knew that Woohyun may make an appearance at his BBQ restaurant later that day because their schedule was free, but he wasn’t there yet. They knew exactly when Sungyeol appeared in his chicken restaurant and rushed over immediately to see him. In the digital age, the communication between fans is constant, and with Korea being such a small country, it’s impossible for idols to hide.

Once, in a back alley near the Woollim Entertainment building, an upset fan lamented to me about her idol. She had come to Korea for INFINITE, spent thousands on INFINITE, ran a fansite for INFINITE, and took pictures for INFINITE. Yet, why – she fumed – would her bias not pay more attention to her? The idea was mind-boggling to me. To be so invested in an idol that his (perceived) actions would actually make her upset – was it actually worth it? I asked her and she paused before responding, “I honestly don’t want to marry him or date him, and I’m not stupid enough to think that that will happen. All I want is for him to know who I am, to know my name, and my face. That’s all I want, and that’s why I do this.”

source: harmonicar @ soompi, @ddong_gg0

Idk if this is ok but I found it really interesting as a first hand account of someone's experience with sasaengs/sasaeng culture. What are your opinions, Omona? And have you ever crossed paths with a sasaeng?
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Date: 2015-11-25 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hinadori.livejournal.com
It's a delicate balance for the idols. This is why I was so surprise about how much BTS share with their fans. But I understand it's necessary to garner that support since they're not from the big 3 and do not have a built-in fanbase so they have to be smart about fan engagement.

I am the antithesis of saesangs. I never ever want to meet any of the celebrities I look up to for fear of a bad experience ruining the mystique. I am ok with admiring from a distance.

Date: 2015-11-25 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mamamoos.livejournal.com
yeah i'd just like to be friends with a lot of my faves but unlike sasaengs i know that's never happening and meeting them doesn't matter much to me because it'll never be much more than a fleeting interaction, i would be happy enough just being able to support them by going to concerts etc.

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Date: 2015-11-25 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] racquelle2005.livejournal.com
I also think that company has a part to do with the intensity of saesangs. I remember an article from a while back where Jaejoong said he was having a convo with G-dragon about saesangs following him in taxis and GD had no idea what he was talking about cause he'd never had to deal with that. I think SM is definitely one of the worst companies when it comes to saesangs.

Date: 2015-11-25 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agoongprincess.livejournal.com
GD is so hardcore when it comes to saesangs. I remember reading once he came home and a bunch of saesangs where outside his apartment so he sold it and moved to the most expensive/private building in seoul. seungri said even he couldn't get in to see GD unless he had prior permission bcuz of how hardcore the security.

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Date: 2015-11-25 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] classicfire.livejournal.com
I've been a fan of boybands for a long time and even back when I stanned Nsync I never got this kind of behavior. I once watched a performance of theirs on one of those morning shows and one girl was talking about how she followed them to all their shows in her van. Then when I went to one of their concerts I would hear girls saying that the group was coming out so-and-so door and all started running towards it. I didn't get it then and still don't. I personally am a bit embarrassed to be a boy band fan now that I'm older and even back then I was too. So honestly spending your money to follow guys who aren't your family or friends is crazy to me but to each their own. I already waste a bit too much time checking on them so I feel guilty of that. lol

Date: 2015-11-25 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mamamoos.livejournal.com
the mindset that breeds sasaengdom along with any other unhealthy relationship between two individuals is that your wishes matter and need to be satisfied more than theirs. it doesn't take much to work out what might make idols or anyone else uncomfortable, these people straight up don't care.

Date: 2015-11-25 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] happydirections.livejournal.com
i completely agree with everything you said.

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Date: 2015-11-25 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabulousdoll.livejournal.com
That first pic after the cut is giving me The Walking Dead vibes with all the people against the window. O_O

A lot of it has to do with how much you share and make the fans think you are close to them. I think some youtubers had similar problems (being followed in the street and to home) because they make them think they are their friends.

I could never be a saesang because I'm too lazy and it terrifies me the idea of making someone spent time with me if they're not comfortable (famous or not).

Date: 2015-11-25 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torontok.livejournal.com
While there are aspects of sasaeng culture that are unique to Korea (sasaeng taxis for example) I don't think over obsessed fans are unique to them.One Direction, Jonas Brothers, 5S0S, all have had similar stories of fans pulling this kind of shit. I think the major difference is that Korea and it's record labels don't crack down as hard on these stalkers as they should whereas in the USA and other places laws are far stricter and security a lot tighter.Plus while artists abroad are also very much reliant on their fanbases and try to keep them happy, they don't quite encourage the entitlement kpop does (plus they don't really need them as much to bulk buy or w/e). I used to stan One Direction and even in the beginning when they were still being pushed as ideal boyfriends, they still dated openly and called fans out on their shit.

And I've seen plenty of ifans act in ways that constitutes sasaeng behavior lol.


Date: 2015-11-25 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hyotness.livejournal.com
I agree 100%.

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Date: 2015-11-25 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ultimaaa.livejournal.com
Agreed on the spectrum thing. A lot of intl fans seem to have in in their head that the moment you even interact with an idol outside of an official schedule that automatically makes you a sasaeng when in reality what actually constitutes sasaeng behavior (and gets you shunned from even Korean fandom) is much MUCH more.

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Date: 2015-11-25 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-cheshire-grin.livejournal.com
When I got into KPop, the fan culture really surprised and scared me at first (still does today, but I guess I just got used to it for the most part). I'm from Japan and while we also have "crazy" fans here (called "wota"), the fan culture is still so different. But that might be, because we don't have this whole "Airport runaway" culture or fans following their idols around with cameras all the time. We've other problems though...

The industry feeds the fervor.

THIS...and it really needs to stop! It always makes me uncomfortable when male idols tell their fangirls that they don't need a girlfriend, because they've their fans. Like, please don't do that!

Date: 2015-11-25 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swhyeon1991.livejournal.com
I thought this post was going to be about the recent incident happened during Dongwoo's birthday a couple of days ago oop.
Original tweet/report (https://twitter.com/ya2nuna/status/668686899389722624); trans 1 (https://twitter.com/whatrutalkin/status/668722019244990465) 2 (https://twitter.com/whatrutalkin/status/668722410200240132) 3 (https://twitter.com/whatrutalkin/status/668723249790873600) 4 (https://twitter.com/whatrutalkin/status/668723598979235840); video evidence (https://twitter.com/whatrutalkin/status/668781576113618944).

Date: 2015-11-25 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ultimaaa.livejournal.com
Infinite fansites are a special breed of crazy. There are some that are sane and keep their distance while still being recognized, but most of them are entitled little shits who think they control the guys' lives.

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Date: 2015-11-25 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] episkia.livejournal.com
the only time i lied to my parents about where i was going as a teenager was when i went to see shinee at the airport. hopped on the 6 something am bus with a friend i had coerced into loving kpop. thing is, when they actually came through the doors and the fans started closing in on them, i walked backwards and retreated to the walls. i felt terrible for them - they'd actually become encased in a thick wall of teenage girls. they looked so small in comparison. and there were only 20-30 of us there.

the reason i had wanted to go so badly was to show shinee that there were people in my country who supported them. i'd watched interviews where sm groups honestly said that their reception overseas wasn't always as hyped as well angled video shots made it seem like, and i wanted to cheer at their arrival and show my thanks. the whole thing was with really pure intentions.

however. we thought this was the only time we'd ever see them in our life. i knew what hotel they were staying at, so my friend and i sat at the park with some typical touristy presents on the off chance we saw them. then we moved closer, to a coffee shop right outside the entrance. after the concert, we sat at the steps of the venue for an hour afterwards to see if we could watch them leave. the next day, we heard they were going on a day trip to a place, and really contemplated going ourselves (there's a typical korean tourist route they would've taken lol).

we kept saying stuff like 'oh if only we could see them do this or this'. we wanted to watch them joke with each other, sling their arms around each other's necks. ~proof~ that they were friends, that they didn't hate the whole idol thing 24/7. it came out of this twisted desire to want to see them happy. we'd seen so many fantaken photos and videos, but we wanted something for this present moment in our country.

in the end, nothing happened. a friend shared the stage with them in a collaboration event, so we got onew's signature, which was nice. but we didn't manage to strategically bump into them. it was devastating for a day, then we got over it.

looking back on it now, the experience freaks me out. i can understand how and why people would get addicted to this, especially in a place as small as s. korea:
1. in not wanting to ~let your oppa down~. the idols do have expectations for their fans to come cheer on their performances every day, take good pictures of them and send them food and presents. + you don't want them to look inferior next to all the other groups!!!
2. that feeling of 'oh if i just do a bit more, they would actually know me by face and name' - they could appreciate the stickers i stuck on their lunchboxes, the birthday presents i saved all year to get them (he mentioned it once on radio!!!11!) etc to the point they single me out to say thank you!

sigh. my heart really goes out to these idols. they all started so young, nothing can prepare you for such psychological damage, and it's going to haunt them for a very long time. :(

Date: 2015-11-25 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missingmisnomer.livejournal.com
Jun looks so genuinely curious about why sasaengs happen in Korean in your icon OP. Haha but on a serious note, the only good thing about my boy not being crazy popular is that he doesn't have sasaengs (at least not yet)(and hopefully never)
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Date: 2015-11-26 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovely4evr.livejournal.com
17 have saengs already????

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Date: 2015-11-25 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ariellm13.livejournal.com
It's a problem everywhere. It may happen a little more so in the East asian idol market but it's not uncommon elsewhere. The reason being that pop stars sell images to masses as if they were intimate with the people on the receiving end. If it happens more in Korea or Japan, it's because companies let fans do things that make them feel more invested. The fan meets are more frequent. They have high touches. They let fans advertise their artists. They ask them to vote in polls that require real money. So then you get a kid who spends all of her allowance on a group. She spends all of her free time tracking them. She organizes events. Uses her talents to spread the good word. She votes at every possible chance. She is giving this group her everything and one day, she realizes that that's not actually a fair trade. A sane person would cut back but someone with a different mindset might fee owed. They might feel like they DESERVE to see their fave because they have given so much. Their fave asked for love and support. She gave it but what does she get in return? Not enough. And that's where the real problem comes in. It's a mindset that they build up too and once it's there, it's hard to break. Not to mention, companies just ask too much of fans.

Things like this are why I thought Pledis denying expensive inner ear moniters from fans was a good move. Imagine you have a crazed 17 fan whose been following them since they started vlogging and whatnot. She's been sending food and gifts. Speaks nothing but praises and encouragement of them. Follows all of their activities and shows up at every fanmeet. Maybe she's the only fan that does that or maybe there are a bunch of fans like her. Maybe while she feels a special bond with 17, to them she is just another fan. But here's this fan buying them all customized IEM's ears that they will wear for EVERY performance. Do you think she would be a normal fan or do you think she might expect more?

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Date: 2015-11-25 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] msdaccxx.livejournal.com
A major motivator for extreme fan behaviour is not simply wanting to gain access/recognition from the idol, but also to gain status within the fan community. There are rivalries between fandoms, but there are also rivalries and cliques and hierarchies within fandoms and trying to out-do other fans of the same idol is definitely a factor. You need quasi-stalker level of information to even be accepted as a fan club member, memorising thousands of facts and that sort of thing. No doubt many then want to be part of an elite fannish clique, so what are they expected to do or prepared to do to ascend within that clique?

This happens across all sorts of fandom, not just Kpop. With football fan violence, for example, the clubs and players and ordinary fans condemn it, but a minority do it anyway, because the aim, ultimately is to impress your clique and defeat your rival and they honestly don't give a shit if the people they're supposed to be fans of actually hate them. So, I'm not sure a lot of these sasaeng fans are in love with oppa at all - oppa is something to compete over and if it wasn't him, it would be someone or something else. For some, I think the real emotional investment is with other fans, either as allies or rivals. It's unfortunate for Kpop idols that this strong motivation is combined with the sort of easy-ish physical proximity and access discussed in the article.
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Date: 2015-11-25 08:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com
MTE, fights between fans are the worst (or maybe second-worst, after fights between academics) because it's a such a small community, divorced from the "real world", so rules and codes of behavior can develop without any of the checks you'd get if you, for instance, worked at a big company with a lot of HR policies that could get you fired for breaking them. Sometimes these cultures develop within communities and there's not enough to stop them from getting more and more entrenched...
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Date: 2015-11-25 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iznanassi.livejournal.com
I didnt really bother to read this bc I have a low attention span and I assumed after the second paragraph it would be standard fair on the topic.

I think the fact that people legitimize this as a "culture" is an issue bc it implies it's an inherant and ingrained part of society, which probably means it isnt being challenged. The lack of crackdown on these people is absurd considering they pose massive harm and danger to people other than themselves and the idols. However I think if companies/idols are feeding this its unfair to place blame solely on sasaengs (the weaker ones anyways, like the second girl mentioned who was complaining, if youre committing a crime or being a hazard you can fuck off). You cant project unfair expectations and only be mad at the people with the expectations.

Not related but when BAP was on hiatus, Zelo was close to where I live and so some of the people I know skulked around for him...even though he was there for personal reasons. Also EYK is from my city so whenever they come back theres this massive rush of people at the downtown core since they usually go there.

Idk I can sympathize with the idea of wanting the bae to notice you but beyond that I would probably only want like...a conversation lol.

Date: 2015-11-25 07:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kazu-kumaguro.livejournal.com
call me ignorant but I never realised that Infinite has crazy fans or always think that infinite's fans are somehow aren't that bad until I saw fans fighting over infinite's used tissues during infinite's concert in my city.

used tissues, really??

I heard that a local idol's used mineral bottle was sold for like 100USD and you have to note that we have lower purchase power than international standard.

so my vote is on the marketing and target demographic.

Date: 2015-11-25 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hipployta.livejournal.com
OMG I never knew Inspirits were bat shit until I went to their concert and met some fans. At breakfast they busted out photo albums of trading cards and that night they went to stalk Infinite.

They took my rental car keys with them when they SAID they just needed to get something from the car and didn't have the courtesy to being the keys back before leaving or even telling us. They lied for two hours that they were just down the street looking for a store.

This is after I kindly let them stay in my friend and I's hotel room because their room was terrible. They had the nerve to come back at 4am. I was in super bitch mode. These women were in their 30s and 40s.

The irony is I knew exactly what hotel Infinite was at and they knew nothing. Don't feed the sasaengs.

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Date: 2015-11-25 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] setsuna16.livejournal.com
The comment about the INFINITE fangirl is kind of how I feel.

Like, BoA's been my bias since 2002, and I legit admire her. I don't expect her to ever be like 'oh, you, that tall guy who wears the yellow and screams for me' when she sees me at concerts, but I'd still like her to, you know, wave at me. I don't need her to remember, and I don't even need us to have 'that moment,' but it would be nice if it happened.

I mean, she did smile at me at the Make Your Move premiere, so if that's all I ever get... good enough for me. Still, can't blame me for wanting more.

Date: 2015-11-25 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angela-derp-otp.livejournal.com
idk to me there is no gray area, sasaenghal fans have distinct behaviors and characteristics in comparison to say, a more "fervent fan" who happens to go to the same restaurant to catch a glimpses of their bias. I've done it before. visiting places where they are recording or doing photo shoots, or visiting their own/family/friends business when they happen to be around to catch a glimpse or say hi but keeping your distance (lbr they do that to help the business).


Sasaeng fans are criminals. I had close encounters with them in the past (tvxq sasaeng fans are a brand of crazy on their own), one time I was literally threatened by them. It was really scary :(

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Date: 2015-11-25 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atopworld.livejournal.com
I feel like I can say this behavior is not the way to go about being noticed being an outsider of the Korean fandom. If I'm a Black woman among a bunch of other Korean girls at a fansign or something, I'm easily noticeable no matter how much I WOULDN'T want to be. I can understand wanting to be noticed, but you are not guaranteed to be noticed JUST because you are a group's fan. It would be lovely to engage an idol on a more personal level, but that usually doesn't happen.

But looking at how the industry works, it encourages entitled behavior. Even in TV fandoms (SPN fans at cons are notorious for this), people overstep their boundaries, even when they are given a little bit of something personal. I've noticed that a lot in the recent years of fandom culture.

Date: 2015-11-26 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charlotterhys.livejournal.com
Oh god, the TV fandoms in the last few years are NUTS. I have a friend who is a Teen Wolf fan, and she is like, that devoted fan that really only a small amount of self-control and lack of resources is keeping her from being That Fan? She spends money she doesn't really have to go to conventions and get all the bells and whistles, she spends money on projects so that she'll get a call from her favorite actor. She's Borderline and has really bad, not very well treated depression (not necessarily her fault), and whenever shit goes on in her corner of Teen Wolf fandom or her favorite actor says something dumb on twitter, it's like instant spiral to near-suicidal depression.

AND IT'S FOR FUCKING TEEN WOLF.

Anyway. >_> Just had to rant for a moment.

Date: 2015-11-25 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodtaki2.livejournal.com
Let's not be naive enough to believe there are special snowflake fandoms with zero crazies. All fandoms have nice, comprehensive, and chill fans, and they also have their fair share douches. Unfortunately, the more popular you are, the most chances you get sasaengs.
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Date: 2015-11-26 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psharp10.livejournal.com
i don't think the article implied that doing food supports and buying a lot of cds was sasaeng behavior? might just be my interpretation though. anyhow i really liked the points you brought up, without exactly knowing the fandom culture, it's hard to tell what would constitute of sasaeng behavior within a specific country's fans (aside from some extreme instances).
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Date: 2015-11-25 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkensunrise.livejournal.com
my only comment is that I've always felt so uncomfortable when I read fan accounts of international fans who intentionally go looking for their faves when they're in their city for a concert. It's weird and creepy, let them enjoy their down time! It's one thing to happen to see them in the same place or whatever but it's so fucking creepy to go looking for them. I read so many accounts like this when BAP went to NYC for their first or second tour and it made me so uncomfortable and annoyed.

I get that you want to see your faves or whatever but they are human and want to have some time away from fans and work so please give them that bit of freedom.

Date: 2015-11-25 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] typhlogirl.livejournal.com
Man this reminds me of when I was waiting in line for BigBang in Sydney, and I got chatting to one girl who was looking at a pic that Taeyang posted on Insta. It was a shot of Sydney harbour from his hotel room, and I said (JOKINGLY) that we could probably work out what hotel he was staying in judging from the angle of the pic over the harbour. She looked at me with vague surprise and was all 'oh, it's X hotel and they're on the X floor'.

It's a tame example but it just shocked me, lmao. Interesting post, OP!

Date: 2015-11-26 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pero, like (from livejournal.com)
I had something similiar. I just met someone who went to the NJ concert, and she told me that her other friends found out the hotel Bigbang went to (upper east side apparently) blew a couple of thousands of dollars to stay there and were disappointed 'cause they "only got to meet taeyang."
My friend didn't go with them, but her friends are big in the fandom (they are in charge of a lot of translations, specifically for GD/TOP. they are H U G E GTOP shippers too) so everyone was impressed with them doing that for some reason.
and i'm here like what the fuck. this is why bigbang probably won't come back ever again what the hell

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Date: 2015-11-25 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eliteja81.livejournal.com
The difference between stalking fans, fans, who just want to see their oppas and sasaengs is actually pretty big. At least in my fandom.

1) Sasaengs are working in organized group.
They have hierarchy. There are the ones who are waiting for hrs under the windows, the ones who hack their phones, the ones who install cameras, the one who work with social media or in related organizations (phone services included) to get their private contacts and the ones who benefit from almost all of this info and have $$ to travel around.
All of them, even those who sell their bodies to earn $$ for stalking, firstly should be approved and added into their "club". One couldn't become sasaeng in my fandom just like that. They also scare away other fans, who try to see idols at least once, from following. Basically one should be approved.
The only exception were ifans with the money (idk about now). All that stalking needs a lot of finances and only a reach small part of their "club" have big funds to support this kind of life. It's not a secret that that in the past sasaengs tried to spot ifans during concerts to offer them a guide service for a heavy sum. One shall always avoid this kind of people. Seriously.
Also sasaengs had their own "blacklist" and if a fan for whatever reason was on it, probability, that they would try and make his life a hell, was really really high.

2) Sasaengs don't want just to see oppa once.
The example with the fan flying on the same plane in your post. One or two times could be coincidence. But it's 2015 and we are still getting "updates" from stalkers that coincidentally ALWAYS take the same plane as the idols. ALWAYS are staying in the same hotels and using every means (even empty glasses) to hear what is going on in the idols room.
99% of those are sasaengs on the top of the chain, with funds and reach parents. Sometimes they try to intimidate the staff of the hotel into organizing a meeting of sorts or letting them into idol rooms (buying a "tour" is a option too). You can probably imagine what they do there.
3) They want to know MORE about oppa that anyone else.
Sasaengs tend to compete with each other because any new info is a bonus in your "club" and can give you a better position. For those who think that spraying girls blood on idols faces is the worse thing that could happen (and we had that too) imagine other sasaengs trying to outdo THAT because they needed to get a reaction from oppa too. We had it all:
+ poking with the needles,
+ trying and hurting boys hands (I still can't forget how they trapped Min's finger with the car window uhhh) and other parts of body
+ hitting with rocks,
+ provoking by telling that they will kill idols parents, relatives or gfriends and then kill themselves (last one is optional)
+ making or almost making a car accident for oppa to notice them
+ hiring someone to break into idols dorm to get or leave this or that item (sasaeng game)
+ molesting idols in DBSK fandom was a norm =_= fans did it, stalkers did it and sasaengs did it. Even now when JJ is in the army during one of the concerts he was surrounded by soldiers and touched all over the place.
+ things like leaving nasty messages or calling is still a thing too uhhh

I remember how one time a fan following Yunho almost got hit by a car. That girl was lucky that at the last moment, Yunho dragged her back from the road. Of course that fan shared it and next day Yunho had to safe few more fans because everyone wanted to be saved by oppa. Now that I think about it, the same situation (but without jumping in the front of the cars) happened to Changmin right before his enlistment. He told to one fan to step back and be more careful, next day he was forced to tell the same thing to other fan who wanted to see his reaction too. Min wasn't amused.
And those in our fandom are considered fans, cray cray but fans.

Sasaeng example: a woman in her 30ties, successfully sneaking into the hospital to console Yoochun after his father death. Because "oppa needed me".....


Date: 2015-11-25 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eliteja81.livejournal.com
4) Sasaengs get angry when their idols date. Angry sasaengs do stupid things to get revenge.

5) Following not only the idols but their family members, telling that they are a "fiancee/bride" and calling parents "mother/father", trying to forcefully enter their homes because they are "family members".

6) Some managers don't stop sasaengs and are even in contact with the top chain of the "club".
Because it's the easiest way to control an idol ^^ Sasaengs know who idol have met where he/she was and is right now. Is he/she dating or not and so on.

Just few years ago it was almost impossible to stop them. The underage ones where released just after few hrs and adult ones just needed to pay their way out. Now some of them could be charged in court (it's a relieve really)

Things are a bit better now with new laws and decrease of my fandom in general. Some sasaengs migrated to other, younger fandoms (I feel sorry for Exo =_=)

Date: 2015-11-26 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kjc48.livejournal.com
I always blame the companies for Saesangs BS. Corporations are always the root of all evil tbh
(it doesn't help that more saesangs = more money -_-)
/conspiratist-realness lol

Date: 2015-11-26 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dot-rose.livejournal.com
I think it's more of how kpop is marketed (or asian markets) in which fans/media care A LOT about who is dating whom.
The Ent companies are very focused on getting fans personally/emotionally invested in their idols, which is different from how western music artists operate.
I know more personality-wise of some idols than most western music artists
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