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The Korean publishing company for the book 'My Sweet Orange Tree' wrote a Facebook post saying <"IU-nim, Zeze is not the child you interpreted him as"> and expressed three points that they were upset with, the first being IU's interview, her lyrics, and Zeze's drawing in her album jacket cover.

They were displeased that used the term 'sexy' and explained, "Zeze is a 5 year old child who has pain within him due to child abuse. We're not sure if 'cunning' and 'dirty' is the proper way to describe him through Minguinho, Zeze's only friend who gives him warmth and consolation. The book is an autobiography of the author and is dedicated to many of the Zeze's out there in the world who are being abused today still. How can she judge a piece of work with such an intent in this way?"

On the depiction of Zeze in the album jacket picture, the rep said, "The fact that Zeze is wearing fishnet stockings and posing in that way...... Of course, there is freedom to interpreting creations. But we're not sure if sexualizing a 5 year old child going through the pain of abuse is something we can agree with. The freedom of expression, however, happens under the approval of the public."


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1. [+8,260, -274] This is how IU always is. She keeps her mouth shut when opinions turn against her. She was exactly like this during Eunhyuk's scandal. Kept her mouth shut and acted like nothing was happening until it was swept under the rug. Fans always say she's known for being a celebrity who communicates well but she hides in the face of scandals like this~

2. [+4,252, -180] If only she never said she produced the entire album from composing to writing the songs, I doubt the controversy would've brewed to where it is now. She responded so quickly to her dating rumors, why is she staying quiet on issues like this? She needs to give a clear explanation on her lyrics to Zeze and her lolita concept.

3. [+3,593, -134] Zeze is a 5 year old child, the same age as Minyul from 'Dad! Where are you going?' So when Minyul was trying hard not to lose in a game, her interpretation is the same as saying Minyul was cunning and sexy in the way that he tried. Zeze is also a victim of domestic abuse. He's been exposed to violence and doesn't know right from wrong, how could she interpret his words and actions as cunning? With her logic, she would be understanding of Go Young Wook too.

4. [+3,489, -164] Please don't mess with minors

5. [+3,080, -172] This controversy is going to cause a big drop in her image...

6. [+1,636, -34] Just what exactly is in IU's head that she interpreted a 5 year old victim of child abuse as sexy? That is not an interpretation but an error, an error that stems from her own wrong sense of values. 5 year old Zeze is not a fictional character but a reflection of the writer's childhood. He wrote this book in dedication to all of the Zeze's of the world. I cried all night after reading that book. How dare IU interpret this book in such a manner? As a fan of Zeze, I have no idea what IU was thinking. Please, don't you dare call this your art.

7. [+1,400, -36] Exactly what type of mind do you have to have to see a 5 year old child as sexy?

8. [+1,376, -28] This is such an embarrassing;; I don't know what she was thinking while writing such sexual lyrics about a 5 year old child. As if her sucking on a milk bottle in her music video wasn't shocking enough, and now all this with her media play claiming she produced the entire album herself, tsk tsk.

9. [+1,336, -80] If a male singer had done this concept with the little match girl, he would've been exiled from the industry and possibly even taken before the law. ㅋㅋㅋ Korea is so lax when it comes to the sexual expression of women.

10. [+1,249, -32] Even Dispatch is getting involved in this... this is wrong, and she needs to admit that it's wrong.

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Source: Nate

1. [+602, -11] Think of it on the contrary. If a male singer had described the little match girl as a lonely but determined and sexy character and wrote lyrics sexualizing her saying "Girl, girl, you're lonely but strong. Brighten up my darkness. Set fire to my match. Don't blow. My light is weak and might turn off. Treat me lightly. Lighten up this darkness." He would've been exiled. There are tons of characters in books that show double sides. Of all of them, why did she choose a victim of child abuse? And to approach it in a sexual interpretation? She needs to apologize for this.

2. [+518, -7] Even the publication company of the book wrote a post about it... but will IU ever respond? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ But of course she'll keep quiet and wait for it to be swept under the rug so that when she has her next comeback, she'll write on her fancafe saying "My fans had a hard time right?"  ㅋㅋㅋ

3. [+424, -11] The ministry of family and women's rights would be all over this already if it was a male singer

4. [+42, -0] She might need psychological treatment

5. [+41, -1] I don't know what more to say other than that she is sly. 'Red Shoes' plagiarism, Eunhyuk's picture leak, 'Leon' plagiarism, another plagiarism scandal. Amazing how she managed to get out of each scandal without so much as an apology. Furthermore, her fans praise her for being a singer songwriter prodigy artist...

6. [+38, -0] Anyone who's actually read the book couldn't possibly write lyrics like she did

7. [+27, -0] This seems to be her unluckiest year

8. [+27, -2] This is what happens when you're dumb but try to act smarter than you are

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Article: Publishing company reps, "We don't expect an apology from IU... we just wanted to get the story straight" [official statement]

Source: OSEN via Naver

1. [+2,791, -68] Sometimes admitting to your mistake and asking for understanding and forgiveness is the best way possible

2. [+2,762, -94] Anyone who's actuall read the book will understand how dangerous her interpretation is. Zeze is not just a young child. He's a victim of child abuse from an impoverished family. It's cruel to sing such lyrics to a child like that.

3. [+2,108, -123] I don't get how IU could've thought that about young Zeze. She acts like an artist all the time and media plays all of her articles on the main page but of course she's quiet at times like this ㅎㅎㅎ

4. [+738, -18] It's important to get the story straight... the author is dead, it's the publisher's job to make sure the story is straight.

5. [+734, -39] Even I'm upset, can't imagine how the publisher's feeling... IU needs to stop thinking so sexually. Just because you have dirty thoughts
doesn't mean everyone else does.

Source: netizenbuzz, Dispatch via Naver, Nate, OSEN via Naver

Hmm, I wonder how stans are going to try explain the different conotations of 'sexy' in the Korean language now. Hopefully this post won't be as messy as the last considering the publication company taking part has cleared up that this isn't some sort of cultural misunderstanding or mistranslation by international fans.
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Date: 2015-11-05 07:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesymphony.livejournal.com
Ruh roh.

As a casual listener of her music, honestly I don't think IU is going anywhere even with this scandal. Her fanbase is big enough and loyal enough to support her even as public opinion turns.

Plus I don't think IU was ever the darling of the public? Apart from during her stint on Dream High, but not since. She's always been a figure of debate.
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Date: 2015-11-05 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iznanassi.livejournal.com
BYE-U. All I have to say.

I seriously hope she says something even if that would be the bad career move as that would show MATURITY and RESPONSIBILITY which would actually demonstrate her adulthood rather than this quasi-poetic crap.

I wasn't initially as angry bc I just interpreted it as a massive massive mis-step by her and her team in terms of sensitivity, whether she's really dumb enough to interpret the relationships that way is her own problem but to co-opt the story as a way to demonstrate duality or whatever her album is about was a nope for me. What pissed me off more was the response especially by i-netz and how pathetic the attempt was to brush this aside despite everything IU ACTUALLY SAID about the topic.

Like you would think on the topic of sexualizing the characteristics of victims of child abuse we would be able to come together. Sorry for the rant but the NB thread about this really pissed me off.

Date: 2015-11-05 08:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slowitdownbaby.livejournal.com
There were people on OH who were literally saying "maybe it's cultural differences but zeze is not really a 'victim of child abuse'".

Like I get that IU gets unnecessary hate for a lot of things but this isn't something I would ever blindly defend my fave over, ever.
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Date: 2015-11-05 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kashiyaek.livejournal.com
yep. no excuses left for this now. sigh, what was she even thinking to get to such a conclusion? like. that's really messed up.
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Date: 2015-11-05 08:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slowitdownbaby.livejournal.com
Those comments are a mess lol, but when aren't they lbr.

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Date: 2015-11-05 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutism.livejournal.com
welp, where are the ~sexy means something different in korean~ now?

she needs to admit her wrong and not stay silent. this isn't a usual witch hunt, this is when she actually fucked up and need to do something about.

also, the whole thing disgusts me, and iu disgusts me right now to try and pull this off as ~artistic~. People always try to dismiss all sorts of things as being ~art~when it is offensive, and ~oh you just don't understand~
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Date: 2015-11-05 09:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tungatunga.livejournal.com
You has a point I planning to make ;)
I don't listen to IU and I didn't read the book (I only read Wikipedia entry about in question and I find her interpretation way off, but I had this involuntary need to side with her because of the literal witch hunt she's been submitted to, and the language used, like "sly bitch I always knew she was evil and this is the proof", calling her paedophile and so on, like majority aren't interested in her explaining her reasoning, they just want burn her at stake. At this moment everything she's do or say will be interpreted to fit this narration of evil sly fox.

edit. Sorry my mistake, I want to agree with You, as "You has a point" :)
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Date: 2015-11-05 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutism.livejournal.com
can u imagine if it was a male idol, i-fans would have his head by now

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Date: 2015-11-05 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madielou.livejournal.com
i don't really follow iu that much but it seems recently she's getting scandal after scandal? or not even that but just like a lot of bad publicity? doubt this will hurt her any.

this entire thing makes me rlly uncomfortable; sexualizing a child that was abused and calling it 'cunning'. it's just disturbing. wasn't there something else about how her photos for this era gave off lolicon vibes?

Date: 2015-11-05 09:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gathyou.livejournal.com
It's not as simple, she's in the middle of a witch hunt (just as her relationship was outed, some people tried to dig up past "scandals" that are ridiculous to try and make her fail her comback) so it's not her fault.
I think it's reasonable to call her out about Zeze - she needs to clarify what she meant - I just hope that everything won't be mixed because other "scandals" are just hate

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Date: 2015-11-05 08:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] infadel-x.livejournal.com
Maybe IU did mean to use Zézé as a representation of herself being boxed in a gross lolita concept for years, and the song was written as criticism of the way people perceive her. I understand that point, perfectly.

But
1) she needs to clarify this since the issue has become big (which I doubt she would do because she would be stepping on even more toes) and

2) The thing about mass media production is that author's intention doesn't mean shit. She might have an author intention, but if the consumers have a general, widely different interpretation from what she intents to portray, then she fucked up. Her portrayal was problematic - the lyrics could easily be interpreted as endorsing sexualisation of a child, which is harmful. Don't do that when it comes to sensitive topics. Not everyone knows her life story, most don't, so she can't expect people to interpret the song in the same way as her.

Date: 2015-11-05 09:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lazmy.livejournal.com

i like your comment

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Date: 2015-11-05 08:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] benihime99.livejournal.com
I wonder why she didn't choose another figure?
When she explained what the oncept was to her (cunning, playful, sexy), Puck came to mind immediately; he's a well know figure, already associated to these ideas and he has "no age". Lolita was probably an option (we had a french singer using it as a concept... I'm old ok)
The fact that she used a non-fictional character makes things worst, especially if she did not consult the author's rep/family

Lolicon being a popular concept is an issue in the industry.
It would be nice if people start questionning that as well.

Date: 2015-11-05 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesymphony.livejournal.com
Yeah I'd like to think this would open up some debate about the whole lolicon overtones of the KPop industry, but I doubt it will. A majority of KPop girl groups make it big off concepts with lolicon aspects, see the latest wave of girl group debuts. Like I love an aegyo concept as much as the next fangirl and I adore the cutesy innocent girl groups, but I can't deny there's something sexualising about it.

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Date: 2015-11-05 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haxoru.livejournal.com

IU, assim não dá pra te defender, gata.

Date: 2015-11-05 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mlmello.livejournal.com
não mesmo.

Date: 2015-11-05 08:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sra-interesante.livejournal.com
iu now would a good time to say something
(i can't choose between this or popcorn gif)
Image
zeze stil doing well on charts ..... that's weird too
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Date: 2015-11-05 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] typhlogirl.livejournal.com
She needs to woman up and address this because this is (rightfully) turning into a complete mess
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Date: 2015-11-05 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ah-mui.livejournal.com
I thought he was wearing fishnets too. I looked at the boy after reading the whole sexualizing Zeze thing and immediately my mind thought "he's half naked and wearing fishnets? wtf". Upon closer inspection, the boy is actually wearing shorts, and if the artist had only coloured in the diamonds, he could've clearly been wearing knee high argyle socks. Goes to show that stuff like this can actually influence you to not look any closer.

Date: 2015-11-05 09:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marizl.livejournal.com
Wow, she really messed up on this. I hope she addresses this and doesn't just stay silent.

Date: 2015-11-05 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodtaki2.livejournal.com

Can't see a fault in the publishing company voicing their legit and rightful issues here. IU really fucked up this and there's no way I can shield that.

Date: 2015-11-05 09:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lazmy.livejournal.com

unfortunately i don't think this is going to negatively impact her career at all. not that i want it to but she should make some sort of statement because her silence on the matter is leading to speculation and that's 10x worse than whatever she intended w her interpretation in the first place
iu get it together quickly

Date: 2015-11-05 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jazzy4heard.livejournal.com
"Of course, there is freedom to interpreting creations. But we're not sure if sexualizing a 5 year old child going through the pain of abuse is something we can agree with. The freedom of expression, however, happens under the approval of the public"

Well said, publisher...
IU and her team really messes up this time.
But looking at past happenings, I think this will not affect IU's career in the long term, as long as she is still willing to work.

Date: 2015-11-05 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gathyou.livejournal.com
This whole situation is still making me uncomfortable. I think she really needs to clarify what she meant.
If all the interpretations of her song are correct, I understand and it's great coming from someone who was stuck in an infantile/sexy concept to work on the duality and perceptions, but she shouldn't have used a five-year-old book-character abused by his family and based on the life of the author...

I don't think she will suffer much and I'll still be following her career because I like her music and the way she's reinventing herself but she needs to say something about this.

Date: 2015-11-05 09:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] domokuniscute.livejournal.com
I guess Comment 1 about her not speaking up personally on scandals is quite true. I'm surprised the company PR is not controlling the situation...?

Either way, the narrative really doesn't look good for her. Like what everyone is saying, I don't think bad translation or cultural misunderstanding is going to excuse any of this.

Date: 2015-11-05 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunica1990.livejournal.com
She needs to speak up and not let others do it for her.

Date: 2015-11-05 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudo-shigure.livejournal.com
is IU even doing music shows for this cb? i remember a few years back her songs charting and she won music shows, but she's not this time(?)

Date: 2015-11-05 10:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodtaki2.livejournal.com

She's not promoting this album on music shows.

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Date: 2015-11-05 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yohan94.livejournal.com
i guess this is the final nail in the coffin lol, i was so confused in the previous post but it's quite obvious now. i hope iu addresses this because i don't think keeping quiet will make it go away this time. also hope this doesn't get buried bc it's really problematic. i listened to zeze this morning and when she called him dirty it didn't sit well.
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Date: 2015-11-05 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] furcalor.livejournal.com
What she said was wrong and inappropriate. I don't care about her innocent image or whatever, there are no excuses her comments. She really needs to own up and apologise.
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