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On October 28, 2015, YouTube Red is set to launch. YouTube Red, in theory, is a decent idea for anyone wanting to pay $9.99 a month. There’s no ads, there’s access to Google Play Music, exclusive content, and Google’s new gaming platform according to the YouTube blog.

YouTube’s chief business officer, Robert Kyncl, said, “Ninety-nine point nine percent of the content on YouTube will be free, as it always has been.”

While this sounds like a good deal for users, companies and creators do not have the option to opt-out of YouTube Red. Creators have to opt-in to the service or risk going dark in some countries, especially in the United States. YouTube will mark videos as private, so YouTube users other than the creators themselves cannot view the videos.

In short, if creators and companies do not opt-in, they do not exist in the YouTube sphere.

As of October 24, 2015, Woollim Entertainment is one of the first victims of YouTube Red with content going dark.



Infinite, Lovelyz, Nell, Kim Sung Kyu, and Tasty’s videos cannot be viewed through Woollim’s page.

The New York Times reported that YouTube has threatened to block companies’ content (including but not limited to K-Pop companies) if they do not opt-in, stating “The executives said YouTube had implied that if they didn’t provide content for subscribers, there was a chance their ad-supported content would not be available on YouTube in the United States.”


J.Tune Camp, Brave Entertainment, SSEnt(OP:though there are some video that are still available on this sites channel), and 防弾少年団 JAPAN OFFICIAL(OP:The only ones that are set to private are the Japanese music videos) (BTS Japan) are also set to private.

Still safe are SMTown, YG, TS Entertainment, JYP, 1theK, Pledis, Happy Face, Cube, Jellyfish, and LOEN among others, but with five already not surviving the cut, who else will disappear?

The blocks aren’t limited to just K-Pop, as J-Pop artists, too, are being blocked. If you’re a fan of SCANDAL, well, don’t go to their official channel to watch MVs because they’re not there.

According to a YouTube spokesperson, “Today, the overwhelming majority of our partners, representing nearly 99 percent of the content watched on YouTube, have signed up. Videos of partners who don’t update their terms will be made private, but we remain committed to working closely with these partners with the goal of bringing them on board.”

What does this all mean?

Well, if companies do not pay what YouTube Red wants, the channels essentially go dark like in the case of Woollim and J.Tune Camp currently. Viewers can still see the pages, but the videos will be blocked unless someone has access to an IP block. We have one, but even in some instances where our IP is outside the country, the videos are still blocked. However, if K-Pop companies do not opt-in, viewers in the US won’t be able to watch videos via official channels, which hurts the artists and the companies.

Already on Twitter and Facebook, K and J-Pop fans are rallying to call for YouTube boycotts. But with YouTube and Google, a boycott will essentially fall on deaf ears. Money talks louder than the rallying cry of fans. However, it doesn’t hurt to make your voice heard.

The bottom line is money. YouTube wants money; the companies want money and don’t want to fork over the money to opt-in to Red. In the meantime, fans are caught in the middle.



source: whatthehallyu, J.Tune Camp, Brave Entertainment, SSEnt & 防弾少年団 JAPAN OFFICIAL, twitter & The New York Times, YouTube: 1 & 2

OP: I'm kind of more interested to know what is really going on. I've mostly seen people speculating that its because YouTube Red, and some say maybe its just an issue of country restriction, which doesn't make much sense. To people thinking it has something to do with the Lawsuit against CJ E&M lawsuit...but that doesn't make any sense either. what do ya'll think its about? And as the articles states its the US that is having this issue, haven't seen anything about it happening in other places (tho I know that Germany deals with this a lot.)
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Date: 2015-10-25 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fallendaydreams.livejournal.com
Greed ruins everything

Date: 2015-10-25 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honeebs.livejournal.com
money hungry asshats
the beginning of the end

Date: 2015-10-25 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hipployta.livejournal.com
I guess kpop fans are about to have a section on Naver

Date: 2015-10-25 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sayuridoll.livejournal.com
i don't get why anyone would pay for youtube red (it sounds so much like redtube smh) when there is ad block

i wonder how much you have to pay to opt in? or maybe i'm just confused.

Date: 2015-10-25 01:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jeliza
The last I heard (which was last year, when it was still called Youtube Music Key) was that you didn't have to pay to opt in, but there are conditions youtube is imposing on the content -- like you can't release it anywhere elsewhere first, which really screws over ppl like indie musicians who make more of their money from bandcamp/patreon/pledgemusic, and I could see not playing well with something like Naver http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/23/zoe-keating-youtube-block-channel

I assume some things have changed since then, but it's not like Youtube has ever been transparent with its dealings with musicians.

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Date: 2015-10-25 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] premonitioner.livejournal.com
UK youtube is still safe (checked a few of the channels mentioned), but I don't think there's any plans for YTR in the UK yet. The entire YTR venture is ridiculous to me as a concept, but I don't like many of the 'big' channels (Pewdiepie etc) and so wouldn't watch their content.

The fact that creators have to opt in or have their videos blacked out is absolutely ridiculous, though. I thought Youtube was supposed to be DIFFERENT from traditional media.

Date: 2015-10-25 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kjc48.livejournal.com
the korean gov't is having an emergency ~Hallyu(trademark) meeting as we speak. SME/YGE/JYPE are making an alternative website to replace youtube, that will eventually go offline because it will be in direct competition to an international~ MNET website and because CJEM said so lol
/this is fiction, but will probably become fact by next week lol

LMAO at all the youtubers who will now go broke over night

Date: 2015-10-27 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesth.livejournal.com
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
They use that V-app so well they could totally have their own international video app!

Date: 2015-10-25 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mamamoos.livejournal.com
google is so ridiculous and annoying. starting to see a pattern here with how they first forced people into google+ and now this

Date: 2015-10-25 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] digitalqueen.livejournal.com
ugh i remember when that happened and they took a bunch of pictures from my private blogger and posted them on my google+ profile without asking me. there were very personal pictures and they were up for who knows how long since i never check that site. it was so embarrasing when i realized.

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Date: 2015-10-25 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kwonsoonyoung.livejournal.com
must be tidal impact

Date: 2015-10-25 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angela-derp-otp.livejournal.com
lets see how this plays out, I see this whole youtube red thing as a detrimental issue, and if they get more restrictive with country limitations and such I see people opting to other options such as vimeo or daily motion.


Imagine the amount of youtubers who will lose $$$
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Date: 2015-10-25 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leopolitan.livejournal.com
youtubers will make more money through this compared to the pennies received from ads

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Date: 2015-10-25 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tree-star123.livejournal.com
this sounds so dumb and ridiculous

Date: 2015-10-25 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunica1990.livejournal.com
So do I have to pay money?

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Date: 2015-10-25 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mlmello.livejournal.com
here in brazil is working.
sm videos still up in US?! but woollim is part of them, right?!

I've a lot of questions about this.
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Date: 2015-10-25 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nana-the-dwarf.livejournal.com
It makes sense to me now that this YTR thing is out. Don't know whether it will be succesful in the long run though.

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Date: 2015-10-25 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] modernelegance.livejournal.com
I use youtube but I don't see their 'original content' or videos as something that I would pay to subscribe to...I mean I looked at getting a drama fever account last night and I'm not about to pay .99 cents to watch 'Twenty' with ads...why would I pay youtube 10 bucks a month to randomly watch stuff/or practically not use it? Especially when my fee is going to a plethora of youtube stars I don't support or agree with...(like Eat Your Kimchi...) when from my understanding my ads/endorsement watching goes towards that specific user.

I hope it dies like Tidal.
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Date: 2015-10-25 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bishieaddict.livejournal.com
Premium df doesn't give you ads.

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Date: 2015-10-25 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baekpedaling.livejournal.com
Why doesnt youtube red just make their own damn site. This makes no sense that if companies don't opt it their channels are blacked out for everyone. They should just be blacked out for Red users. Isn't this illegal or something?

Date: 2015-10-25 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cinoire.livejournal.com
but can we talk about how the name "youtube red" sounds way too much like a porn plaform...

Date: 2015-10-25 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] natywentz.livejournal.com
why do i need this shit? i have adblock!
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Date: 2015-10-25 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 10135.livejournal.com
YT is full of crap with this Red thing, honestly. They are giving companies no choice. That sucks. The price isnt horrible but it is pretty much them having to pay for YT views.

Date: 2015-10-25 01:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piplupcommander.livejournal.com
If this actually goes anywhere, it's just going to lead to a Keep Circulating The Tapes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KeepCirculatingTheTapes) thing where people who can still access the videos download and distribute them. (Oh, the amount of Gackt/Dir en grey MVs I downloaded off Limewire back in the day...) Or maybe the return of music rotations! I miss those.

I mean, the only thing I watch that isn't available elsewhere is Markiplier, and I'm pretty sure he could establish his own site if he really felt a need.

Date: 2015-10-25 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/reminisce__/
Oh man! The rebirth of music video LJ communities? That would be chill, but so time consuming :(
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Date: 2015-10-25 01:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] purpleglaceon
Apparently, youtubers do not have to pay bur rather simple make their video available for youtube red for those who wants to watch them there or something like that ?

"Your videos are only privated if you don't agree to YouTube offering Red to your subscribers!" (Emma Blackery) And apparently it'll work a bit like netflix and people can offer paid content on their channel only watchable through red. Some shit like that.

In other words, I don't know why people on youtube would refuse if they don't have to pay anything and it'll keep their video public ?
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Date: 2015-10-25 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goshipgurl.livejournal.com
as a german dealing with blocked videos on youtube FOR YEARS, all i can say it: keep calm, install proxtube or youtube unblock (or any other youtube unblock add-on), and do not give a fuck.

Date: 2015-10-25 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jihansol.livejournal.com
You forget though that proxtube changes your IP address to a US one which means that if the videos are blocked in the US as well, even proxtube won't work anymore.

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Date: 2015-10-25 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hearttaek.livejournal.com
Wait do companies have to pay to opt in? Or is the division of revenue what they're not agreeing with thus they don't want to sign?

Date: 2015-10-25 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leopolitan.livejournal.com
no, its free to opt in. its a service that users pay for. content creators on youtube will make more money through this

its not that they dont want to sign but a lot of these channel owners have probably just not logged in today yet lol

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Date: 2015-10-25 01:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atopworld.livejournal.com
Wow, well screw off, Google. First they force me to get Google+ and now this?
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