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There are many terms in this article that use Korean vocabulary in unique ways. To aid in understanding, here are some simple explanations of the terms that you will read in this article:


  1. 880-thousand Generation (88만원 세대): This refers to the amount earned working full time on minimum wage. Many of these irregular or part-time workers are university graduates.

  2. Sampo Generation (삼포 세대): This refers to the people who feel they must give up (포기하다) three major life events, mainly relationships, marriage, and children.

  3. Opo Generation (5포 세대): Same as above, but giving up 5 things.

  4. Chilpo Generation (7포 세대): Same as “Sampo” but giving up 7 things.

  5. Ilpo Generation (일포 세대): When so many things must be sacrificed (given up) that it is like giving up on one (일) thing- just life itself.




“Opo” to “Chilpo”, the “give up” generation.
Original Article from Kookmin Ilbo

The names we affix to each generation is a reflection of the type of lives they are living. The 880-thousand Generation reflected the fierce job market and prevalence of irregular work for the young. Then, the “Sampo” generation were the ones who felt compelled to give up their dreams of relationships, marriage, and children. If becoming a home owner and sacrificing social life are added to the mix it becomes the “Opo” generation. Now, even two more sacrifices, dreams and hopes, have been added, dubbing this generation, “Chilpo”

The younger generation have had to give up so many things that they are now calling themselves the “n-Po” generation. University student Chan-mok Lim, 25, said, “Myself and a lot of my friends are working part-time jobs to pay for tuition. If when we graduate there wouldn’t be a problem finding a job, we could smile through the difficulties we have now. But the reality is that when we graduate, finding a job will be a real problem. Even for those friends who have found a job, they worry about getting married. The ones who got married, they worry about how to buy a home. We are calling ourselves the ‘n-Po‘ generation because we are giving up all the things that are of value in life.”

The barriers young people are facing are reflected in their self-depreciating language. Internet communities made up of young people are creating new slang at a fast pace. Words alluding to current slang such as “dirt spoon” in comparison to “golden spoon” (someone who was born in a wealthy household). “Dirt spoon” refers to young people who grew up in a poor home, and have little financial support.

A game called “Dirt Spoon BINGO” appeared online. The game board has 5 rows and columns, filled with 25 sentences. In the rows and columns are items such as “I have had a part-time job.”, “There is no bidet in my house.” “Nobody in my house owns a car or the model is over 7 years old,” “My parents do not get regular check-ups.” “We have household debt.” and “I have shopped at a secondhand store.” If a sentence is true for the player, the player circles it. If the player has a Bingo (5 in a row) then the player yells “I’m a dirt spoon!” Many people upload their results onto social media or blogs.


Dirt Spoon BINGO


Kim Su-han, professor of Sociology at Korea University, “Looking at the situation here the ‘whining strategy’ becomes rampant. Young people who cannot enjoy any benefits in life are feeling angry or disenfranchised and have taken to mockery and self-depreciation. The older generation is recognized for their hard work, but the younger generation is more known for inheritance than hard work when it comes to achieving success. This way of thinking reflects the difficulties young people face today.”

The difficulties young people face are showing up in the statistics. According to the Korea Institute for Health and Social Affairs, as of 2013, the poverty rate was 19.7% for 18 to 24 year olds and 12.3% for 25 to 29 year olds. The next highest rate was the 60 to 64 year old group at 20.3%. The youth unemployment rate has also been steadily rising from 9% in 2012 and 9.3% in 2013, up to 10% last year. Given that this number does not include how many have given up looking for work, are preparing for professional exams, or who are in graduate school, the real unemployment rate is much higher.

Even if you make a visit to business-packed Gwanghwamun, it is difficult to secure a job. The Korea Irregular Workers Center data shows that last year, of the total 3,410,000 workers in their 20’s, 47.4% were irregular workers.

Self-depreciation is a way of deriding society. Toward the end of last year, one internet community polled users on 2014’s Hottest Slang. In 1st was “sen-song hamnida” and in 2nd was “mi-gae hada”. “Sen-song hamnida” is short for “I’m sorry I’m Josenjing” [I’m sorry I’m Korean, spoken in a Japanese colonial dialect.] “Mi-gae hada” [backward, uncivilized] became a popular word after the son of a Seoul governor candidate said during local elections that, “If Korean people are uncivilized, doesn’t this mean Korea is an uncivilized nation?”

The young and miserable frequently describe Korea as hellish when they say, “Hell Joseon”, and they have even created “immigration gye” [funds collected by a group of friends to help save a large sum of money] to escape it. Jeong, a 25-year old office worker, is looking for people to create an immigration ‘gye’ with. Whether it be northern Europe, Australia, or New Zealand, a ‘gye’ can help raise funds, and can help with sharing information. Jeong said with a bitter grin on his face, “Some of my friends say they want to make an immigration ‘gye’ and a lot of people seemed interested. But to get together to make a ‘gye’ takes time and money that are in short supply, so we haven’t been able to start yet.”

As Professor Kim pointed out, “Seeing more and more young people using self-deprecating language and mockery, even thinking about ‘escaping’ [Korea], it is a sign that it is getting harder to find happiness and opportunity. We must create a society where there is equal opportunity and rules so that every person can compete.”

Comments from Naver:

tlsl****
At any rate this is only a nice country to live in if you are a congressperson or a celebrity.

kkk8****
“It hurts because it is youth.” is some bizarre BS. If they’re sick then they’re just patients… They say ‘chil-po’ generation, but in reality it ends up more like ‘il-po’ generation (giving up on life).

kun9****
Anyone taking their morning shit while reading this?

hun0****
I’m at a loss for words… really…

powe****
I’m studying to get my international finance certification. Once I get it, I’m planning to emigrate.

gksr****
Young people these days have the most beefed-up resumes in all of history, but even they can’t find a job. So are people really saying that the kids all have too high expectations and aren’t working hard enough?

tosh****
When I read an article like this, there are always people who blame lack of effort on the part of individuals despite the fact that there are serious problems in society. Of course, if an individual works hard, then no matter if they are a “sampo”, “ohpo” or “chilpo”, they can live well. However the fact that the majority of young people have such a hard time reveals that it’s due to bigger institutional issues. If the young who are supposed to support our society fail, there is no future for us.

kore****
I don’t date and I quit smoking and hanging out with my friends so I was able to save 300,000 won. I saved some money, so why am I a little sad?

qwe0****
Even though I talk shit about those “golden spoons”, I really envy them.

hlsk****
I have no idea who made up ‘Hell Joseon’ but it is fucking spot on. Truly there couldn’t be a better way to sum up the current situation in Korea than those three syllables.

befi****
Are Korean kids too nice or are they just stupid? In places like France, people are making a big deal and staging huge demonstrations where they demand politicians act properly and create jobs.

dfge****
A lot of commenters are saying young people are pathetic. Do you think they want to be pathetic? In this day and age the goverment’s role is to narrow the gap between rich and poor, and to ease conflict between classes. We need to talk about if Korea is doing well or not. Everyone stay strong! And let me at that I got married and now am raising a 6-month old. It’s hard but it’s not any harder than it is for anyone else. You can do it!

dltm****
How about lowering congress people’s salaries so we can help the ‘n-po’ generation?

wjsa****
The only answer for this country is emigration.

nowo****
Those fat old guys say the younger generation are all lazy and pathetic. Shut the fuck up. We don’t try to get manual jobs because we hate how you look down on us. Getting old isn’t some great feat you know.

shak****
Those angry old guys are always like this. They work their asses off so their sons can work at a major company or become public servants. They refuse to let their daughters marry a guy who works at a small or midsized company, or anyone who does manual labor. Their generation has the strongest caste mindset when it comes to professions and they practice it the most. Yet they say to anyone who isn’t their kid to lower their standards and learn some trade or work for a small business. Shitty mentality for real.

minp****
Yup, this is my Hell Joseon.

soon****
I quit my crappy low-paying desk job for a job in manual labor. Of course being the sole wage-earner makes getting married more difficult, but fortunately even without help from my or my girlfriend’s families we were able to have a wedding. It’s okay to start out in a small place, too. Look around you, stay strong, and see how many jobs there are out there. Even if you have to work in manual labor, if you have a vision for your life, there’s nothing wrong with going for it. You can do it!

o_oa****
kekekekeke I laugh because I am young, you fucking shitty world.

wg70****
What a crappy article to wake up to. First of all, cut the amount of universities in half. This is all because everyone is a university student. The situation is like this because they graduate and say they will only work in white collar jobs. The real situation is that in the jobs market, there is a scarcity of blue-collar workers.

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Source | Kookmin Ilbo and Naver via Anna Joy for koreaBANG

Date: 2015-10-18 09:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenhinata.livejournal.com
thanks for posting this. the meaning behind the #'s is interesting, but the situation is quite sad. reminds me how i worried i am about how the economy of my country will be when i graduate and if i'll land a job etc.

also, immediately when i saw "sampo generation" and "ohpo generation" i thought of rapmon's rap in dope (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVwAVbKYYeM?t=2m14s) where he mentions those 2 types (The media and adults say we don’t have willpower, condemning us like stocks. Why are they killing us before we can even try,). before i was confused by that part but now i know.

Date: 2015-10-18 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] audreyfrill.livejournal.com
same about the dope rap lines, i was curious about it and now i finally know lol

Date: 2015-10-20 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girlluvsviola.livejournal.com
Yep and in his last line about "generations," he was like "I like beef jerky, so I must be the 6th generation" since they both sound the same in Korean lol

Date: 2015-10-18 09:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ariellm13.livejournal.com
"Young people these days have the most beefed-up resumes in all of history, but even they can’t find a job. So are people really saying that the kids all have too high expectations and aren’t working hard enough?"

"What a crappy article to wake up to. First of all, cut the amount of universities in half. This is all because everyone is a university student. The situation is like this because they graduate and say they will only work in white collar jobs. The real situation is that in the jobs market, there is a scarcity of blue-collar workers."

The real problem is, to get the majority of Korea into the mindset that they MUST go to university, people have spent years knocking down the manual labor jobs. Not to mention, everything is about your level in Korea. Who wants to be a day laborer when you know society will treat you like you are lazy, dumb, or trash for having the job you have. Who's gonna choose a job that they know will put them in a dead social bracket? Not to mention how hard it is to live off minimum wage now.

Date: 2015-10-18 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phililen3.livejournal.com
It pisses me off so much how people shit on manual labourers. Some of their jobs are the most skillful and hardest you will ever find, more than office jobs. But because it's not in an office, people see that as licence to treat manual labourers like shit and pay them next to nothing.

Date: 2015-10-18 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ariellm13.livejournal.com
One of the things about America I can truthfully be proud of. There's a lot of entitlement in America but in your day to day life, people don't treat you like trash because you have a minimum wage job. People are still only mostly for those better jobs but socially, you aren't looked down on. People don't stop associating with you because your dad's a factory worker or because your mom is a janitor. We still have are other job related problems though. Like how obviously some jobs are steering away from certain applicants. For example, I've found a lot of jobs that won't hire you you if you don't have a personal means of transportation. I don't have a job and you won't give me one because I don't have a car? Or making a degree a requirement for jobs where a degree even isn't needed.
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Date: 2015-10-18 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ariellm13.livejournal.com
You know I'm super poor but I was willing to be poor, to be homeless for the sake of a job opportunity. Even if it was an unpaid internship but those are made almost specifically hard to get for poor people. You know how many below entry level internships I've seen that require you to have a degree, be enrolled in a degree program, and/or have experience? Not to mention the other requirements like "Must have own equipment", "Must have an automobile", "Must be available at my beck and call".

Honestly speaking, if you are in a capitalist country then you will have a class system. That's just the way it is. The real problem is that these country's aren't taking care of the bottom. You're only as strong as your weakest link. When the lower class dies out or gives up, your country will sink. Everybody wants to be further up the food chain but that isn't possible so 1) stop making it sound possible and 2) make it so that people don't feel like they've been sentenced to the worst fate by being at the bottom.
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Date: 2015-10-18 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ariellm13.livejournal.com
I'm not... I used the 3rd person usage of you. Like, you directed at an unspecified person.

Date: 2015-10-18 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phililen3.livejournal.com
Those angry old guys are always like this. They work their asses off so their sons can work at a major company or become public servants. They refuse to let their daughters marry a guy who works at a small or midsized company, or anyone who does manual labor. Their generation has the strongest caste mindset when it comes to professions and they practice it the most. Yet they say to anyone who isn’t their kid to lower their standards and learn some trade or work for a small business. Shitty mentality for real.

The caste system is strong. People like to make an example of India and take on this better than thou attitude because they claim their (especially "developed") countries don't have such a thing. The caste system is EVERYWHERE and it is thriving more than ever. Those who who claim that young people are lazy when clearly they are hard working drive me crazy. There are all these ridiculous social expectations that you are supposed to meet, but no one gives you the resources or opportunity to meet them. And if you don't want to meet them, or through the misfortune of not have a rich family to back you up, people take that as an opportunity to shit on you.

There can only be one CEO of a company. Someone needs to work on the factory floor putting cars together, and you know what? That is a good honest skillful job like any other and should be praised for being such. That is hard work too and needs that recognition and due respect.

They need to stop clouding their classism in faux concern for the youth's work ethic. But then they have to keep this up to distract from the fact that they are 1%ers giving nothing back and contributing to the unbearable state of living that ordinary people have to endure.

I'm a masters student and I have to say that I am not sure what I'm doing with my life, where I'll be working and if I want to be in the fields available to me. The things I do want to do just seem so unattainable to me. It's not even much, I don't need a BMW in the garage, but it still seems out of reach and I am at the last stage of my schooling and feel no motivation. I just feel tired and a bit hopeless. I just feel pressure to help my family out. My mother is the only one with stable employment but she is old in a small office job and is struggling to support us.

Date: 2015-10-18 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tree-star123.livejournal.com

Welp. This is kinda me. I see so many jobs that require college degree and I see that they pay like 10$.. or entry level jobs that require 3 yr experience even tho some ask for recent graduate

Date: 2015-10-18 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phililen3.livejournal.com
And they always want an experienced graduate. How is a graduate supposed to get experience if no one wants to hire them if they don't have it?

Date: 2015-10-18 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broadway-bound3.livejournal.com
This is where pre-planning comes in. While you're still studying you have to get those unpaid internships. I did an internship my senior year and had a part time job.
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Date: 2015-10-18 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broadway-bound3.livejournal.com
I understand different countries have different ways of doing things, and that sounds like it was a royal pain. I guess I should have prefaced with my own background. I come from a lower-middle class family, majoring in art history in a city that had a large art community so there were plenty of internships I could take. My senior year I had the option to do an internship and I took it over having to write a huge thesis. I was also supporting myself on just my part-time job. I know some people have it better than me, but also worse than me. I was also the first in my family to go to uni and I feel like that was detrimental to me. If someone had told me before hand to look into internships before my senior year I would be a lot better off right now then I am.

This is a crap-load of text but I wanted to give that context to why I was saying look into internships.

Date: 2015-10-18 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burnbook31.livejournal.com
I really do not agree about unpaid internship. Even an allowance of 100php a day is not even okay imo bc no human being should work 720 hours for free bc its ~pre training~ before real life begins. I remember i attended a meeting at my work and everyone was suggesting that we should have interns in and i ask about their salaries/allowances and my manager was like 'theyre not getting paid tho' i was like 'youre gonna make him bring his laptop everyday to work and you wont pay him? youre gonna make him work on things bc he's just an intern? that's stupid." And everyone was murmuring "oh i didnt get paid either, so why pay them now?" ugh it was just a cycle of some sort of revenge or payback bc it didnt happen to them. It was a bad day for me.

Date: 2015-10-18 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fukkthedumbshyt.livejournal.com
Exactly internships are nothing but a way to get free labor.

Date: 2015-10-20 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burnbook31.livejournal.com
right? i turned down a lot of internship during college bc free labor and my usual respond to my professors was

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Date: 2015-10-20 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burnbook31.livejournal.com
i'm agreeing with you tho ^^ i hope i didnt come across as angry or something ;A; sorry~~~

Date: 2015-10-18 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phililen3.livejournal.com
Except those are limited and doing it part time during studies isn't always feasable. Most students are on a clock and can't afford to have their studies disrupted or their grades hurt, which a lot of part time jobs do. It's even worse when students have other responsibilities.
I've also benefited from internships and actual jobs during my studies, but I'll be the first to say that what I have experienced is the exception to the rule and a privilege. Especially as a poor student who goes to a poor student's university.

Date: 2015-10-18 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broadway-bound3.livejournal.com
I understand. At the same time, students should assess their own abilities and try to push themselves. Study hard and then try to find a flexible part-time job. I hated my pt job in uni, but it payed the bills and had a flexible schedule. If the student's grades drop then consider which is more important: money or grades? Or compromise and cut back your working hours. For my internship I had 4 months to complete 120 hours. I tried to get them done as quickly as possible so that I would have more time to study for the big exams at the end of the semester. It's up to the individual student to figure out what they can and can't handle. So, pre-plan. Can I take this on? How can I make up for it later if I can't? What do I need to be prepared for?

Date: 2015-10-18 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phililen3.livejournal.com
You say you understand, but then go ahead and advertise your privilege. You are really no better than the people who say that it is the fault of students for not working hard enough.

Date: 2015-10-18 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broadway-bound3.livejournal.com
I'm not sure I would call it privilege. To me privilege is doing minimal work, getting by with a sub-par GPA and then having the connections to get a job you don't deserve. I'm not saying students don't try hard enough, I've known plenty of people who tried their best and succeeded. I've also known people who tried their best and failed. All I'm saying is students should look for all their possible options. If you have the opportunity, seize it. If you don't, do your best with what you have. If there are part-time jobs, apply. If there are internships, apply. If there's nothing right now, keep an eye open for something to come in the future. If a student thinks they can't handle it after trying, then at least they tried.

Date: 2015-10-18 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] algaee.livejournal.com
you make it sound so easy lol.. bring your standard down a step. privilege is opportunity, and some people just don't have it, no matter what they do. the options are there, sure, but does everyone have the opportunity to actually take them? and sometimes people don't have to the room to try their best and fail, because they'll have all of nothing to fall back on with failure. there are lots of students who don't have unpaid internships who already are doing the best they can with what they have, you know?

personally..i don't get much out of working part-time, but it gives me something as my only source of income. like.. i can't call on my family to support me when they're struggling to support themselves. every day i'm just grateful i can go to college at all, that i have things to eat and somewhere to stay. an unpaid internship would mean compromising on at least two of those three things for me.

Date: 2015-10-19 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tree-star123.livejournal.com
Exactly. I get so annoyed when ppl say that we are entitled ... like have they tried to get a job these days. I feel like its all about connections which I do not have lol. And also hr takes ages to get back to you.

lol reposted this. for some reason it didn't go thru phone app.

Date: 2015-10-18 07:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jeliza
The job market here (in the US) is so terrifying. I hired an assistant a while ago and it's not a great job -- 2-5 hours a week, $11/hour -- and could be done by a high school student, I didn't put any minimum requirements other than to be able to write well enough for the task. And the applications I got .... people with years of solid white collar jobs in major corporations, multiple college degrees, in their 30s, 40s, 50s... It was depressing as hell. (And of course, I have a business because when the recession hit here, the hours at my job got cut to almost nothing. Reluctant Entrepreneurship whee!!).

Are there any countries right now where this kind of thing isn't happening? When the Baby Boomers rag on the Millenials, I just want to stand in the middle and be like "lay off my little sibling!" (I'm a Gen-Xer. I swear they just recycle the articles and swap Millenial in for Gen-X. Entitled shits.)
Edited Date: 2015-10-18 09:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-19 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tree-star123.livejournal.com
:/ at least you are honest about the job description. some places that I applied to kinda put misleading stuff before. like they want to hire me for the tasks on the description + train me to do more stuff and pay me less?? I'm also in the usa and I had such bad unprofessional interviewers who would make me wait 2 hrs, talk on the phone, leave during the interview for dumb reason, & then cut me off for one thing. Like if you had a question about that, I think they should have called me or emailed rather than waste everyone's time.

yeah I don't like ppl calling my generation entitled. I feel like it's rude way of saying that we try to have some sense of self-respect.

sorry I have very bitter feelings. not to even talk about discrimination too. sorry for rambling too it's been a long day lol.

Date: 2015-10-20 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaninasan.livejournal.com
Are there any countries right now where this kind of thing isn't happening?

My country has less than 4% unemployment right now, so we're doing pretty good. Historically my country has always tried to keep unemployment down even if that means inflation. But we're still recovering from our economy crashing 7 years ago and there's been a recent boom (mostly in tourism) that has people worried that we're heading towards another crash. Also there have been a ton of strikes this year so while almost everyone has a job that suits them, most people are unhappy with their pay, especially those working for public institutions.

/i'm super late, sorry

Date: 2015-10-18 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] broadway-bound3.livejournal.com
I want to play that Dirt Spoon bingo. I feel like I might get a bingo on it even though I feel like I live pretty well. Some of those complaints are pointless. A car that's over 7 years old? Who cares as long as it works! My car is 7 years old and I love it. There's no bidet in my bathroom (but US homes usually don't anyway). And I've had plenty of part time jobs.
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Date: 2015-10-18 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 4minutesluts.livejournal.com
genuinely curious about your understanding of socialism that makes you think it leads to social stratification, rather than doing the exact opposite

Date: 2015-10-19 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blowfishprince.livejournal.com
May i ask what country are you from? The college teacher's job in government institute hits me right through my heart.
Edited Date: 2015-10-19 10:05 am (UTC)
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Date: 2015-10-20 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blowfishprince.livejournal.com
I'm from the Philippines, and I have the same experience as you have described above in terms of teaching employment in government-funded local college. Although I took the required employment exams and passed, I knew the moment they called me that it was more of a privilege, rather than due to qualifications and hardwork that got me the job. It was a part of my life that I can't really deny. The moment I tell people my name, they associate me immediately. That's why I left after a semester of teaching. There were too many loopholes, and I just want to achieve things on my own without having to rely on the privilege that was handed to me. Your statement just hits me hard, because I know how the system works. So many people are qualified for jobs, but the moment someone who is privilege comes into the picture, your chances decreases. I ended up applying for jobs in other towns or in the private sector to avoid the special treatment.
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Date: 2015-10-21 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blowfishprince.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's hard, but I'd rather be on my own than have people talking behind my back because of who I am. Waiting is exhausting, and as much as life is unfair, I believe that you can do it! When you know that you are good and qualified, it still takes a toll on you when you get turned down for a job you desperately want. But as my friend has said, "If you know you're good, it's not your loss, it's theirs." It's a long fight to overcome the system and prove yourself, and I wish you all the best! Goodluck!

Date: 2015-10-18 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sayitisso.livejournal.com
this sounds like spain too. i recently graduated and only scored a job because i did a year of an unpaid internship and lucked out in finding a job that is willing to train its employees. the job is nice but alas i'm paid minimum wage and i don't even get bank holidays off.......................... so i basically have to sacrifice my family life and meeting most of my friends.

life is really scary in this sense, feels like there is no way out of the system but to luck out or sacrifice a lot. my plan is to be ambitious and exhaust every option before "giving up" and selling my soul, but we'll see.

good luck everyone :(

Date: 2015-10-18 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seulgibear.livejournal.com
this post is depressing. i'm in my last year of uni and i've never been more unmotivated in my life. i think a lot of the current generation of young graduates have it bad wherever you go and that's just fucking sad.

Date: 2015-10-18 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kwikimart.livejournal.com
Lol, we're all in the same boat : /
Older generations (tbh I think that's mostly around people in their mid 30s to 50s) shit on millennials so much for 'whining' and not appreciating what we have o complaining about awful work conditions and exploitative companies or 'pay' as if we should be just grateful to have a job even when we're getting screwed over and it's costing us our mental health etc. I really wish they would have more perspective and realise they don't know what they are talking about.
This article bums me out but it was an interesting read, thank you OP! I appreciate getting to read about more than just idols on here.

Date: 2015-10-19 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tree-star123.livejournal.com
how dare we try to have self-respect? I kinda passive aggressively rage-quit my job b/c of racist things and I was a temp so I know I have no protection really. I felt so much better after but job search is so fking hard

Date: 2015-10-18 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bomsnose.livejournal.com
This is a couple of separate issues colliding.

One issue out of the many: less and less work.
I still remember how my granny used to say that she hopes I wouldn't have to work so much as she had to. My parents also work their asses off to create a better nest for me. I work really hard, too, but I have at the back of my mind how the idea of all the earlier generations was that I wouldn't have to work as much as they did. That's the whole point of automation, too. So that humans wouldn't have to do the repetitive work.
So... I'm all for countries paying their citizens purely for them being alive. Those who have the drive to learn and work -- they should maybe work less, so that more people could contribute to the same tasks. Otherwise... Let's be happy there's not as much work left, and treat jobless people as equal.

Date: 2015-10-18 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carra-mia.livejournal.com
Some tim ago I read really nice interview with a scientist (I don't remember what his field exactly was, but what he does seemed really interdisciplinary).

He gave this theory that in not so many years almost all the work gonna be fully computerised and there's gonna be really slim caste of people who will control&gain profits from it and the tragedy for the rest is not even that they'll be poor or starving or with shitty job, but that they will be totallly needless.

Through the centuries people were exploited as a cheap labour force so there still was a reason to have the around, they still were essential for the rich ones. But now they gonna have no value to them, be totally useless, like a trash kinda. And bc of this some really dark events could happen, worse than existence of small privileged, secured by walls areas in the sea of slums.

Date: 2015-10-19 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bomsnose.livejournal.com
hmm that sounds like the pessimist version, can be real if the level of education declines. definitely sounds like an interesting read. let's hope that work gets better distributed, or that we have 95% chance to be artists, or some other less scary scenario.

Date: 2015-10-18 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bishieaddict.livejournal.com

I see another trend in my country... white collar jobs are getting outsourced. We can't compete with other countries with lower salary. Different issue than with SK but things are getting tough...

Date: 2015-10-19 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yolleh.livejournal.com
Millennials don't get enough credit for all the crap they have to face. It reminds me of this:
http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/why-generation-y-yuppies-are-unhappy.html

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