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SBS’s drama “Six Flying Dragons” faces a controversy with the recent airing of a child rape scene in the episode four of the drama series which aired on October 13. Many viewers are questioning whether the scene was necessary.

To respond to the controversy, a “Six Flying Dragons” representative defended the decision to keep the rape scene by saying, “The scene of young Yeon Hee (Jeong Yu Mi) getting raped is absolutely essential in portraying the psychological awakening of Ddang Sae (Byun Yo Han).”

He added, “Ddang Sae goes through the struggle of having to stand there unable to help Yeon Hee during the rape. He even contemplates suicide over the guilt. Child actor Yoon Chan Young had his own struggles working on the scene, but he was able to work through it with the support of the staff members.”

Despite Ddang Sae’s attempt to commit suicide, Master Jang Sam Bong comes to his rescue ultimately leading Ddang Sae to become Lee Bang Ji, the bodyguard to political advisor Jeong Do Jun.

Click here to see the controversial scene, and check out the complete episode four of “Six Flying Dragons” below.



Source: Insight
via: Soompi
I replaced the header photo that Soompi used with the promotional poster since their screencap of the scene is really uncomfortable to some people.

What's your opinion on TV shows portraying rape scenes whether it be explicit or implied, Omona?

Date: 2015-10-16 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] premonitioner.livejournal.com
young Yeon Hee getting raped is absolutely essential in portraying the psychological awakening of Ddang Sae

NOT HERE FOR THIS 'oh this was necessary bc it was extremely traumatic for the guy' BULL

NOPE. NOT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON. NO THANK YOU, BYE.

in all seriousness, i think that there are very few cases where rape is handled well in modern media. the most recent one in my head is from Legend - where they didn't show it, they just set up the scene, had Emily Browning scream 'no' offscreen and it stopped there.

i feel like rape has to be something that is discussed in tv and movies, but there are ways of doing it so it's not extremely traumatic to rape survivors but still moving enough that it makes people think about it and how awful and violent it is. and using it as a plot device to further the man pain of a male character who is not being raped is not a good enough reason. it takes away from the trauma of the person who was raped in the first place. esp if it was a woman.
Edited Date: 2015-10-16 01:39 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-16 01:52 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-16 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tempestdance.livejournal.com
i mean there was also the game of thrones with sansa and fans (read: redditors) flipped shit when people said it was inappropriate to use rape as a plot device.

Date: 2015-10-16 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tree-star123.livejournal.com
it's sad that the girl who played sansa also thought the scene was great

Date: 2015-10-18 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ajin.livejournal.com
It was the stupidest thing ever. The books have enough violence but the creators of the show continue to add scenes like that for the shock value. No one could even say that it was in the books and thus can't be omitted e__e (I have so many problems with that show)

Date: 2015-10-16 05:31 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-16 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbutterlion.livejournal.com
yes a rape scene is super importante to show the growth!!!!!! of man!!!! man becomes strong over something that doesnt affect him in any way

Date: 2015-10-16 02:06 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-16 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violoncelliste.livejournal.com
exactly, gross and unforgivable

Date: 2015-10-16 08:00 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-17 07:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jasmineakaiumi.livejournal.com
no truer words have been spoken

Date: 2015-10-16 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iznanassi.livejournal.com
The fact that the scene really did only focus on the kid's reaction makes this explanation even worse. Rape doesnt happen as a way to build character for someone else, thats an awful and insensitive way to include it.

Date: 2015-10-16 08:06 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-17 02:52 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-16 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kwikimart.livejournal.com
Nah this is bullshit
We have countless films and TV shows where the dark background of a character is hinted at or spoken about or w/e without ever showing explicitly what happened and STILL people understand and can relate to why the character is now the way they are. For example The Joker in TDKR, no one saw any of the bizarre traumatic incidents he talked about, we all just knew that something dark was in his past and he was a bad person.
Using rape as plot device is rape culture, it is disgusting and offensive at 'best' and lazy, cheap writing at least. Mad Max Fury Road made it clear that The Wives were sexual assault victims and lived in sexual slavery without ever having to show them being assaulted and everyone could still empathize with their plight. If you have to see simulated rape or think you need to show simulated rape for people to 'understand' then you're sick in the head and I wouldn't feel safe around you.
It's not 'just' TV, a horrific amount of people have gone through rape or know someone that has been raped, seeing something similar to what they've experienced played out for cheap thrills on a TV screen is traumatic and it is low to use that so casually.
I can't believe this production company and WTF at it involving a child, these people should all be fired.

Date: 2015-10-18 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winegums.livejournal.com
It's not 'just' TV, a horrific amount of people have gone through rape or know someone that has been raped, seeing something similar to what they've experienced played out for cheap thrills on a TV screen is traumatic and it is low to use that so casually.

EXACTLY THIS.

I don't believe in banning writers from featuring rape as part of a story either, but damn can they have some respect? It's equally bad when they write a rape and then the only narrative a woman's life can follow afterwards is to be angry, lonely and never experience happiness or love again because she's no longer 'pure' - it's so transparently regressive (Gu Family Book, I'm looking at you).

Date: 2015-10-16 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phililen3.livejournal.com
I was not necessary to show it. All you had to do was imply that it had happened and leave it at that. That is all media should ever do. There can never be a good enough reason to show it. And the reason he gave for showing it was typical man bullshit.

Date: 2015-10-16 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 921227.livejournal.com
I watched the scene and it's both bad and not as bad as I was expecting, but I'm pretty firmly in the rape is a fade to black sort of scene in most forms of visual media camp. I think the production staff of the drama that decided to keep it in were incorrect and the defense they come up with is appalling. They mentioned how hard it was for the child actor about the scene, but , what about the child actress? I mean, there thankfully weren't shots of the actual rape, but her expressions still had to convey that -- I'd liked to also know how she handled it.

Edit: park Sieun is the actress, her and Yoon Chanyoung are 14.
Edited Date: 2015-10-16 03:32 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-16 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tempestdance.livejournal.com
it was disgusting and i'm so pissed that they reused the scene as a flashback during the introductory scene for byun yo han's entrance, like STOP MILKING IT

i'd have let it go if the production company said that this will affect the girl's character development as she becomes a spy for jung do jeon since she will reappear again played by jung yoo mi - like i still don't like it, but fine, trauma for her development. but the production company gave out the bullshit excuse and focusing only on the guy, who's an observer in the situation and what disgusted me even more was that even when they're talking about the shooting itself they're only talking about the male child actor, about how he persevered in his acting through a difficult scene and i'm like excuse me? is the girl literally a stand-in, something for the male child actor to look at to get into his emotions???

they released another bs article about how this was done with the girl child actor's dad present at the scene and that actors are all okay and i'm like you guys are not getting this whole thing about not using rape of a girl to motivate a male character thing... ugh.

Date: 2015-10-16 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kwikimart.livejournal.com
Her dad was there...
Her dad consented to this...
wow

Date: 2015-10-18 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ajin.livejournal.com
What you wrote just erased any interest I had in watching this drama. For the best, I guess.

Date: 2015-10-18 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winegums.livejournal.com
WTF

Like you, I would have understood if they'd said it would affect the girl's character development going forward, but it looks like they don't want to mention that we will see Yeon Hee again, probably as Jung Do-jeon's wife. But to not even mention the child actress and only focus on how the child actor struggled with that scene? gtfo.

A few years ago, a lot of people were critical of I Miss You for having a scene featuring the rape of a child (implied by offscreen screaming and struggling, even thinking about it makes my stomach turn) but in that case, at least I could understand because the drama never lost sight of the trauma the heroine suffered, either in the immediate aftermath or years later - it wasn't just some background angst event for the hero. Now SFD has gone and used its scene as just that, which is even worse.

Date: 2015-10-16 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-cheshire-grin.livejournal.com
Ddang Sae goes through the struggle of having to stand there unable to help Yeon Hee during the rape. He even contemplates suicide over the guilt.

OH, SHUT UP!!! I'm so sick and tired of plotlines, which make the female characters suffer so that the male characters can grow and get character development.

Child actor Yoon Chan Young had his own struggles working on the scene,...

And did anybody ask through what struggles the child actress, who actually had to play the rape scene, went and if she was okay?!

Edited Date: 2015-10-16 04:39 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-16 04:53 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-16 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shabirah.livejournal.com
i thought about watching this since its airing now on SBS ONE but nope, not gonna touch this with a barge pole. i might be missing on a good drama because of it but i don't care. i can't make myself watch when i know and remember shitty things happened while watching this.

Date: 2015-10-16 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moomoo-moonstar.livejournal.com

Yeah, fuck this show. I was going to check this out soon but there's no way now. And the excuse was the same old line of bullshit they always trot out when this happens. Essential my ass.

Date: 2015-10-16 06:15 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-10-16 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ah0000.livejournal.com
I loved the first two episodes except for the whole women feeding pigs thing but this has made me hesitant to keep watching. I thought I could trust these people bc of their older stuff but damn. I don't think I'll pick this back up. But at least this means I won't be wasting 6 months of my life on this

Date: 2015-10-16 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pentrue.livejournal.com
One word; disgusting.

Date: 2015-10-17 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] secretkeeperr.livejournal.com
ASJDDJDJDJDKKSHEYEI. Fuck. Why must they always make a female character suffer for the growth of a male character???? WHAT KIND OF BS. Stop. Stop. Stop!!!!

Date: 2015-10-17 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] punkylana.livejournal.com
i hate rape scenes, esp when it involves children, what a bullshit reason tbh.

this is why i couldn't watch missing you. i stopped after the rape scene

Date: 2015-10-18 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winegums.livejournal.com
This is actually much worse than Missing You, at least there they actually paid attention to the girl after the rape, and the way it affects her even years later when she's grown up is a huge part of the story/her character.

Sure, the guy also suffers guilt, but it's not all about him. And I was not thrilled with the way either of the male leads behaved to her, but they did handle the otp romance fairly decently, considering what happened (she's mad as hell at him and it's not seeing him that starts her healing from what she's suffered, it's seeing her mother again.).

Date: 2015-10-18 12:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] modestgoddess79.livejournal.com
girl character gets raped to further the emotional development of a boy character and then the producers make it worse by only speaking of how the male actor felt during the scene!

this plus the women being kidnapped to breast feed pigs scene makes me wary of this drama's treatment of female characters

Date: 2015-10-18 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winegums.livejournal.com
yeah, that was my first 'wtf' moment, should have read the warning signs about how this drama likes to use the exploitation of women for shock value.

I loved Tree With Deep Roots but I'm dropping the hell out of this.

Date: 2015-10-18 07:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hyori-ish.livejournal.com
yeah fuck this. how about the female child actress who actually had to EXPERIENCE the implication of the scene? like okay let's only care about the child actor who is a passive observer. disgusting.

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