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The appearance of Caucasian women in the K-pop scene has become noticeable in recent years. And no where is that trend more dominant than in the music videos of popular boy bands, especially those looking to appeal to a more global audience.

Yet, the increasingly frequent inclusion of Western women in such videos has begun to raise questions, some less comfortable than others, around the motivations for their employment, as well as accepted perceptions of race and sexuality.

Big Bang, one of the country’s top all-male K-pop acts, found themselves at the center of controversy after the release of the video for their song “Bae Bae,” which features the band interacting solely with white models and is rife with sexual innuendo.

The band’s more recent music video, for “Sober,” also includes the appearance of a white female in a sexually suggestive scene with one of the band’s singers.



More K-pop videos in recent years have begun to feature white women. Top, screen captures of the music video for “View,” performed by Shinee; At the bottom are images from Big Bang’s music video for “Bae Bae,” which features white female models and a variety of sexual innuendo. [Screen capture from Youtube]

But while those instances may not raise eyebrows among Korean fans, they have caught the attention of some foreign viewers.

A few of the comments written below the music video for “Bae Bae” from YG’s official YouTube channel touched upon the phenomenon, including one that directly questioned the band’s choice: “I love Big Bang, but why are all the women in this video white?

White women also feature in popular boy band Shinee’s music video for “View,” in which the bandmates are shown drinking and partying with them.

When pressed, however, most entertainment companies were unwilling to expand on their reasons for including Western women rather than females of other races, saying that it was up to the viewer to decide.

We do not provide detailed reasons behind Big Bang’s decision to include white females in their music videos because we want to leave the viewers free to interpret the clip,” said a source affiliated with YG Entertainment, the band’s talent agency.

Lending another voice was pop critic Ha Jae-geun, who said that the issue stemmed from the fact that Korean pop culture had developed and been heavily influenced by Hollywood and American trends in music and fashion.

Under the American influence, Koreans have been making videos that are highly similar to those of Hollywood’s, and as a result, it has become natural for Koreans to portray white people in clips that are made in a more Western style.

Koreans don’t really raise or see racial issues in K-pop videos [because they are so used to seeing Hollywood-style videos of the same nature], so [it’s understandable that] these music videos may seem inappropriate to foreign people, who are relatively sensitive to race,” he added.

Ha also noted the global appeal of K-pop and the industry’s efforts to make inroads into foreign markets.

Korean music videos are seen not only by Korean people, but also by people around the world [thanks to the rising popularity of K-pop bands].

Creating clips that can be enjoyed by people around the world is more sensible, especially in terms of race and the inclusion of other races,” he said.

Still, the story takes a different turn when considering content by female K-pop groups, where white men - let alone men from other races - have rarely appeared in music videos.

In the majority of clips, the female members of the band, and sometimes Korean men, are the main features.

In the music videos for the girl bands under YG Entertainment, for example, hardly any Caucasian males appear, which is in stark contrast to those put out by the agency’s all-male acts.

That trend is evidenced, in particular, in the majority of the music videos by 2NE1, represented by YG, which mostly revolve around the band’s four members and sometimes feature one or two Korean men.

The same rule applies to Girls’ Generation, arguably the nation’s top girl band.

Although the group has released a number of music videos since their debut in 2007 and has global appeal, hardly any white males are to be found in their repertoire.

Perhaps one of the primary reasons behind the issue is that girl bands already have a set target audience, mostly Korean obba troop (a term describing Korean males in their 20s and 30s who follow girl groups), according to art critic Lee Taek-kwang, who also teaches at Kyung Hee University.

Since their purpose as singers is to appeal to their main target [obba troop], who are attracted to this delicate but sexy female image [pervasive in Korean pop culture], most girl groups attempt to pursue such an image [through their music videos].

But cultural perceptions around male attractiveness and masculinity also play a part, Ha said.

Korean men don’t like seeing Korean girls hanging around with Caucasian men [because they perceive white men to be more attractive],” he said.

According to Lee, in that sense, it is only natural for girl groups to promote themselves as the main focus of their videos, particularly because, for their target audience, that in itself is usually enough.

BY JIN MIN-JI [jin.minji@joongang.co.kr]
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Date: 2015-07-08 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kyokomurasaki.livejournal.com
Wasn't the dude from I Got a Boy white too or am I remembering that wrong? It's been a while since I've seen the video. Plus the guy from Gotta Be You was white but that's the only one I can think of from 2NE1. Still, I think there are more white girls in videos than white guys.

also smh at this
“Creating clips that can be enjoyed by people around the world is more sensible, especially in terms of race and the inclusion of other races"

when there is basically no inclusion of other races besides white people.

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BapMokJa in AOA's video!!!!!!

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Date: 2015-07-08 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bomsnose.livejournal.com
I was scolded on YouTube for assuming the girls were white in View. Apparently they're Thai. There were so many people jumping on me saying they were Thai that I almost believed I don't know Thai from Afghan or Korean or Mongolian.

But that is just me whining.

More whining: my (and omona's) faves got a lot of shit for one of their videos, when it's probably the most racially diverse kpop vid to date. Yes, it had less Koreans than it could've, but still.

Big Bang also had a non-Korean band, and at least one dancer, too.

...all this off topic means I found this an intersting read, and I have nothing to argue with.

A bit sad.

Date: 2015-07-08 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aki-san.livejournal.com
The View models seem to be half white, half Thai or Burmese according to their own social media profiles
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Date: 2015-07-08 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashiva.livejournal.com
GD&TOP had trouble with Korean models when filming for their MV in 2010 (apparently Korean models didn't want to wear the skimpy outfits and the foreign models were only ones who agreed to wear them), so after that incident Big Bang has mostly casted Caucasian models (mostly Eastern European models living and working in Korea) in order to evade trouble of models walking out of the set.

Date: 2015-07-08 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asth77.livejournal.com
lol, okay

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Date: 2015-07-08 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gray-fairy.livejournal.com
It's definitely more common to see white women in boyband's videos but I've seen the opposite recently (CLC, AOA and I think even Sistar featured white guys in their last MV as well but I'm not sure becaue there was a lot of people in it).
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The white guy in the video is Alexander, also known ask BapMokJa. He is a filmer maker/english teacher living in S Korea. Remember when AOA was on "A Song For You"? He sent in the video of him dancing and singing. He later got picked to be in AOA music video "Heart Attack".

He also hosts a weekly Kpop drinking game that is awesome. He has a degree in film making so his videos are really professional.

Here is his video reacting to himself being in the music video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYVlNczQIMQ

And here is the " A Song For You" (it has english subtitles!) that features him and his friend dancing and singing to AOA. It's awesome! (Skip to 14:50 if you want to see him being awesome.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grRbYuvlfeQ

Date: 2015-07-08 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuzuruhanyu.livejournal.com
u can use whoever u want for your mvs but when u include nonkoreans into your mvs, and only white ppl are considered as love interests and nonwhite/nonkorean or east asian poc ppl are considered as props/or in horribly offensive ways (the misogynoir in rain's la song, gd having parris gobbels on a leash spliced w/ imagery of dogs, to name a few recent examples) that's where we have problems. idr the last time that i saw a nonkorean/east asian poc as a love interest (with them being a part of a couple or an object of desire, not in a pack of ppl clawing at an idol like animals)

Date: 2015-07-08 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velveteenkitten.livejournal.com
Bang Bang Bang made me so confused, because on the one hand Parris is a very respected choreographer so will do as she fucking well pleases, but at the same time I was going "no, why? out of all things this is the image you're going with?".
And then all the comments everywhere were like "But it's fine because she's not chained to GD, they're chained to each other, yap yap yap" and I'm sitting there thinking, "Yes, but was he the one writhing on the floor on all floors like a wild animal? Was he fuck."

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Date: 2015-07-08 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aki-san.livejournal.com
Personally, my award for worst use of white girls in an MV goes to TVXQ's Something. I loved everything else about that song and video but those parts were so awkward. Random, but I'm pretty sure the guys in the jazz band in Something were white too, but it's hard to tell since most of them except the bass player are wearing sunglasses and hats.
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Date: 2015-07-08 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gray-fairy.livejournal.com
Mte. The white women in Something were acting basically as props for them instead of being proactive.

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Date: 2015-07-08 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madielou.livejournal.com
i wish kpop music videos would stop using only white women in their music videos.

when i watch a big bang mv (or any other mv tbh) with white women in it i dont think "oh look diversity" i think "this makes me uncomfortable bc it feels like they're being objectified rather than set as equals."

Date: 2015-07-08 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kyokomurasaki.livejournal.com
ia. I think it would be better if it were more common to see people of various races in MVs, but since it's just white people all the time it comes off as fetishizing.

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Date: 2015-07-08 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fayfayren.livejournal.com
i think it's interesting they mentioned how they make music videos with white females as love interests for a more "hollywood/western" vibe, but in hollywood asian men have the stereotype of being undersexualized compared to the fetishization of asian women but in kpop videos, white females are the love interests of the asian men. the bang bang bang video of the woman on the leash (even though i heard it was her idea) still makes me uncomfortable.

Date: 2015-07-08 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gray-fairy.livejournal.com
in hollywood asian men have the stereotype of being undersexualized
This is totally true tbh. The only time I've seen an asian man portrayed as a love interest in western/US mainstream media was John Cho in "Selfie" and the series were even cancelled, so...There's still lots of prejudices in general about asian men being seen as sexually attractive people and they're still portrayed with shitty stereotypes in 99.9% of movies/series in western media.

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Date: 2015-07-08 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sra-interesante.livejournal.com
i guess they can say this a way to 'approach' other cultures
but you know it's not coincidence when non asians models are the ones wearing less clothes and doing naughty scenes

Date: 2015-07-08 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huanyia.livejournal.com
my thoughts exactly.

Date: 2015-07-08 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nekobot.livejournal.com
Honestly I found this line in a job post looking for music video extras in Korea and it couldn't possibly be more telling (and this was just for some low budget indie vid) Image (http://nl.tinypic.com?ref=9bhrhu)

Date: 2015-07-08 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leopolitan.livejournal.com
well thats depressing. i imagine its the same for white guys too considering bapmokja of all people got into aoas mv

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BapMokJa

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Date: 2015-07-08 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keki7.livejournal.com
They could've just saved themselves the trouble and said that these Kpop video directors and casting crews simply use who they like based on their individual preferences. Cause last time I checked black hip hop videos were the originators of the video girl trend from way back when.

I still scratch my head when I watch bad boy set in New York. That ain't Hollywood, suckas. That's New York!

Date: 2015-07-08 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bubblyshades.livejournal.com
“Korean music videos are seen not only by Korean people, but also by people around the world [thanks to the rising popularity of K-pop bands].

“Creating clips that can be enjoyed by people around the world is more sensible, especially in terms of race and the inclusion of other races,” he said.


"Inclusion of other races" "People around the world"

This is so transparent. They care to only appeal to white people. Where is the "inclusion of other races" when by and large the only other race you include in your pop culture products is white? And even then you're failing because these white women are portrayed as objects.

Inclusion and representation is commendable when it does not rely on sexism, racism, and stereotypical expectations.

Date: 2015-07-08 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jazzygyu.livejournal.com
Thats why I have a problem. The world means the west to them and western means white. It also perpetrates a european standard of beauty. Black guys are included sometimes for cool factors which can be problematic in itself. But when it comes to women it usually white women or mixed race women with a very European look to them.

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Date: 2015-07-08 05:10 pm (UTC)
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This is just a load of bull to me, the excuses is just ugh

Date: 2015-07-08 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miuratenshi.livejournal.com
Since non-Asian women are starting to be in K-Pop music videos, it makes me mad that most of them aren't Black, especially in Hip-Hop music videos.

Date: 2015-07-08 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seroquels.livejournal.com
I'm both sad that they aren't (there have been maybe a handful of MVs that feature Black women) and in a way I'm glad bc I can already imagine what role they'd have us play and how horribly insensitive and stereotypical it would turn out.

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Date: 2015-07-08 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velveteenkitten.livejournal.com
Yeah, well. I don't think this is news really, is it?
Korea has an aversion to dark skin.
But so does western culture. Most of the media over here is white too. You can see very few people of colour in lead roles anywhere, especially lead roles that aren't stereotyped to buggery.

Date: 2015-07-08 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miyozari.livejournal.com
I just wanna add to this that the white model in Big Bang's Beautiful Hangover is from Switzerland and my (former) friend was her classmate.
Apparently, when she was already 16 or 15 she drank lots of alcohol and took different kinds of drugs and didn't mind getting wasted. I guess, because she started modeling early. My friend (ex VIP) used to be tight w/ her but once the girl got into modeling, she became arrogant and didn't bother getting a sign from Big Bang for my friend, therefore she never even spilled any beans to my friend. When she was in the MV, she might've been underage. She was either 17 or 18 but not older than that. Who knows, maybe she popped some mollys w/ GD after they filmed the MV lmao.
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Date: 2015-07-08 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fiercediva.livejournal.com
Not to stereotype, but the Eastern European models usually know where the blow is in any given locality.

Margarita, the model from Belarus in Bae Bae (the one in both Taeyang and Dae's solo scenes) did an interview. She's just a rookie, doesn't speak English or Korean and had no idea who Bigbang were. She said all the other girls were Ukranian from agencies. She had to shoot for 2 straight days with no sleep. She did spill the beans on being taller than Taeyang (she said he's 168cm) but for the most part it sounded like she either wanted to be cast again and is practicing discretion, or signed a NDA. She wouldn't say which guy was more interesting to film with, although she said she liked Taeyang because "it's personal."
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Date: 2015-07-08 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crystalheng.livejournal.com
GD's Crooked and Taeyang's Ringa Linga (for example) had POC who were just partying and being in the background like the other white people in the MVs though. Or are they talking only about POC portrayed as love interests?

Date: 2015-07-08 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iznanassi.livejournal.com
I can count on my hands the number of times I've seen a non-white/non-korean WoC in a male music video. And all of them had to do with sex or "hip hop". The only one I can specifically remember in recent times was the black girl in Born Hater (or at least I hope she was black since there are some artists with a reputation of Rachel Dolezal-ing themselves). MIB had the black guy that one time and it was pretty cute.

Keeping that in mind in girl group videos have had black men in them, along with other men so... I think everyone knows what's going on here.

Date: 2015-07-08 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kyokomurasaki.livejournal.com
I heard the girl in Born Hater was Black/Korean but idk if that was ever officially confirmed.

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Date: 2015-07-08 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atopworld.livejournal.com
..........we KNOW why.

Date: 2015-07-08 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] odd-fish-stick.livejournal.com
Lol we know why no need to expand

hoo boy

Date: 2015-07-08 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] e-bone (from livejournal.com)
I'm slightly miffed that the writer had the opportunity to push the issue (which is better than nothing I guess), but didn't pursue any perspectives other than youtube comments? But for the counter argument he out here talking to scholars and publicists and everybody mama??

“We do not provide detailed reasons behind Big Bang’s decision to include white females in their music videos because we want to leave the viewers free to interpret the clip,” said a source affiliated with YG Entertainment, the band’s talent agency."

So they expect us to believe that there is some profound meaning behind why they only chose white models? LMAO FOH

"Lending another voice was pop critic Ha Jae-geun, who said that the issue stemmed from the fact that Korean pop culture had developed and been heavily influenced by Hollywood and American trends in music and fashion.
Under the American influence, Koreans have been making videos that are highly similar to those of Hollywood’s, and as a result, it has become natural for Koreans to portray white people in clips that are made in a more Western style.”

So a country consisting of people who are not in their target audience is influencing kpop to the level that they can't make their own decisions as to who appears in their videos?? And when it comes to music and fashion they all about black folk but actually acknowledging it publicly makes no sense??

And what is this whole tangeant of "fans are upset about white women in kpop videos b/c there are no white males"? Boy if you don't get

TBH most of my commentary is facetious b/c quite frankly there are very few positive examples of non-white people in kpop that I kinda don't want any minorities involved. Even korean models are disrespected in a way white models are not, IMO.

Yeah this was a snooze lol




Edited Date: 2015-07-08 07:32 pm (UTC)

Re: hoo boy

Date: 2015-07-08 11:18 pm (UTC)
jeliza: custom avatar by hexdraws (Disgusted Miryo)
From: [personal profile] jeliza
Because "American" = "white". Riiiiiiiight. Extra nonsense when talking about the influence of US music, where at least half the top artists are POC.

Date: 2015-07-08 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nana-the-dwarf.livejournal.com
I would have zero problems with including people of other races if they weren't used as accesories.

Date: 2015-07-08 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantaesticbaby.livejournal.com
White women (and black women too tbh) are ridiculously sexualised in Korean culture, from my experiences.

When I was in Korea, a lot of my friends had gross experiences where a guy had asked them out on a date and then on the date, expected them to be okay with going to a hotel for sex. I doubt they would have treated a Korean woman like that. And I believe it is the same case with sexualised foreign women in music videos

Date: 2015-07-09 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] typhlogirl.livejournal.com
I spent a week in Seoul last year, and there were three occasions where random dudes (from a uni student to a older salaryman) came up to me asking if I'd go back to a hotel room with them

I found it more amusing/weird than creepy and it didn't ruin my trip in the least, but I never experienced anything quite so....forward before, lmao :/

(i'm white, btw)

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Date: 2015-07-08 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tungatunga.livejournal.com
Why oh why, whenever such discussion starts there have to be comments about how ugly and slutty white girls in this mv' are. Because absolutely this is main problem with fetshising certain races, hiring ugly people.

Date: 2015-07-09 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boxcuttergirl.livejournal.com
mte, its really blatant sex-shaming too

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Date: 2015-07-08 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xblackchristmas.livejournal.com
YG doesnt go conventional. but why not use foreign models? YG artists are going more international, being recognized by celebs and fashion designers. so i dont see why not.

true that it is noticeable and koreans might find it "uncomfortable" but theyll grt used to it... lol
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