NYAN 6/19/15: The Littlest G-Dragon

[jesaray.livejournal.com]

This week on Not Your Average Netizens it's two guys, a girl and a K-pop podcast.

0:00 – 1:03

SANDY G | IBSNDRG

YG FAMILY - BIGBANG, 2NE1, PSY GD&TOP - Bang bang bang, High high, I'm the best, Crayon & Gentleman

1:04

·         Summer Blues

·         Noah’s Back Bitches!

·         Girl Group Summer (excitement for all the wrong reasons)!

2:40

·         The Queens are back! Can you say Moo Moo!? Not unless you have a problem with their “problematic music video” TIM

·         Ashe has technical difficulties and listeners get a peek into the mind of a male Kpop fan. Objectification can also mean appreciation (apparently)

·         When “selling out” isn’t really selling out

37:00

·         Tim trigger warning: Whatever you do, don’t call them AOA7

56:00

·         Sistar to the rescue (unfortunately not as superheroes)

·         Let’s be real Starship would have screwed it up anyway

·         Don’t forget Nine Muses (Tim didn’t)

·         Also Soshi (we almost did)

1:09:30

·         2PM are werking the “sexy ahjusshi” concept

1:17:57

·         Big Bang releases more songs, world crumbles

1:32:52

·         Which leads to a discussion on cultural appropriation (go figure)

1:39:00

·         Big Bang vs. EXO Messpocalypse 2015

1:48:07

·         G-Dragon just don’t care y’all

2:00:38

·         Korean music shows make no gotdamn sense

2:09:34

·         Show Me the Money! (Or don’t. Neither of us really care.)

2:15:06

·         A moment of silence for our dearly eliminated Momo (formerly of Sixteen)/The wisdom of creating idol groups by survival reality programming

2:26:00

·         Where’s the justice for M3laq?

2:29:40

·         Tim charitably closes us out because he does it so well ( ‾ʖ̫‾)

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Comments

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

I’m sorry this is gonna be long but that was a long podcast

Tim…
Ashe, we connect on a spiritual level :3
On the mamamoo discussion I agree completly with you. I've touched on that on my tumblr already but they are top 3 of almost every charts right now, UOAY is not as good as their previous title track but it's a good track, just on their usual level and not as distinctive as the other tracks, but it works. And thank god for the 2 other MV and the live perf.
The MV is typical k-drama shit, I'm not even surprised.


AOA special detective unit deserved better than the shit that was given to them. This album is actually weaker than their previous release, the b-side are not on their usual level. Their title track is very appropriate for the summer, the line distribution is way better than usual BUT it will never fly live because it's waaaaaaaaaay too "produced", so to speak. And they’re not that good live. I could watch a bad performance (music wise) if the girls were able to sell it on stage. But most of their stage are dull. Chao are Jimin literally carry the group on stage and it’s not enough. Hye has improved a lot but she’s not there yet.

But let’s back up a little though, when “Confused” was released (that was the first SDU song) it did not do that well, it just didn’t. “Moya” (AOA black) did better than “Confused” BUT AOA SDU was cheaper to produce. That was one of the reason behind them bringing back the “idol” side of the group, it’s cheaper, easier to promote and sexy concept always work on the long run, it just does. However “Moya” sold more, “Moya” ranked higher, “Moya” get them their first 1rst place. So when FNC took the decision to promote one unit and not the other they did not chose the most popular unit at the time, they chose the easiest option. Because it’s easier to promote idol. Band have it hard, girl band have it harder (lbr). In the long run they took the “best decision” but to say it’s because the “idol group did better” is actually wrong. They didn’t do better. But they do good now. They sell. They finally get paid (FINALLY). So in the long wrong, and from FNC pov it’s the best option.


BANGx3 could have been the greatest anthem of all days… but it wasn’t
We like 2 party is a 1D song but the MV is amazing.

One of the main issue with the “collar scene” is that when they edited the MV, that scene was intersect with a dog barking while on a leash. GD is holding the collar, the way the people in the back are holding the leash: that is the problem. Parris does not look weak, she was down with it and that’s fine, you do you. The final result though, with the dog imagery is a no no.
It’s fine to say she looks strong, she does. It’s fine to say they were both collared, they were. But let’s not ignore how the MV was edited.

DID GD LIE?
99% of the time I don't care about what he has to say, but did he lie?
It is a difference between BB and other group. And that’s also a problem, cause GD is so overworked their comeback did get pushed back a lot because he had to write/compose/… the damn thing. It’s actually the truth. He did not say it was “better”, but it’s a difference; it really is.

[dickslikejesus.livejournal.com]

Hello again as always thank you for listening! <3

I feel like I've hammered the Mamamoo thing away forever already so I'ma skip that part if that's okay? I really love them, and I don't even mind the song but I gotta comment on what I see so to speak~

I'm not as much with you on the AOA thing when it comes to their performances. Vocally I totally agree, but I think as a full unit they're not bad to watch, at least in Like a Cat they were all into it save for Mina when she had the issue of her dad passing. They all mostly looked out of it during that time to be honest and I really felt for them there.

I have said before on the band that Moya was their first win and was successful, I think we even talked about it on a way old podcast but I could be wrong. What I did say, and will continue to say is that while they were successful they were not popular outside of their charting. Their most popular member, and the member they pushed quickly became Seolhyun who has absolutely no place in AOA Black. AOA Black also doesn't have the other member they tried to push with is Hyejeong. It's arguable that the idol thing is cheaper, as music shows do not actually allow you to play live you merely need to card equipment out and pretend to play (Even the drumsets often have mute pads atop them and such.) Where as to perform as AOA there are much more costumes to be purchased, Choreography to be taught so often a choreographer is brought in unless it's something your label has built in, and music videos for idol groups are often more expensive.

The idol image is always more successful, FNC has had success with two male bands but it is in large part due to them being male, the idea of selling a female band to their market which is predominantly male probably seemed like a ridiculous idea and it would be much easier to cater to their audience with a typical female idol group. I understand the want for a band I do, I think they're very talented, but I stick to the fact that the band should be a b-side thing, and a solo concert thing, and they should focus their promotions on what works.

Also I agree, upon hearing the song I'm really not a fan of AOA's new song.

Sure you can argue that, I'm not denying that there was imagery in the background but you can make up a million arguments for the positive and the negative it's all how you decide to take it. She saw the video even in the background when you see the making of, she co-signed the way her image was used in an interview, and for me I didn't even notice anything but her being awesome. I think people have decided to take it bad simply because Korea is known to be racist and GD is known to appropriate more then anything else.

Right which is also what we said on the GD thing. He didn't tell a single lie, but he also never said it made them better. He spoke the truth, bitchy or not, and it sets Big Bang apart for better or for worse that's mostly what I was trying to get across. I'd had a lot of scotch by the time we got to this subject so I'm sorry haha. We record on my Fridays, and that's one of two days I can drink. :3

Thank you as always for listening, and I really appreciate you taking the time to comment! <3

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sure Choa is the most popular but that's a detail
I'm still unsure about their stage perf. They did improve, especially Hye, she is so much better than she used to be, she's better than Mina now but there's still room for improvment, especially while they're promoting alongside Mamamoo and groups like BB or sistar.
People can say whatever about BB but they bring it on and mamamoo are no joke.
I'd wish AOA would work more on that.

[dickslikejesus.livejournal.com]

I guess that's dependent on what you consider popular? Seolhyun gets all the acting roles, the CF roles, and the variety roles. She's also been the poster woman for beanpole and has a pair of jeans named after her that sold out super quickly.

It's mostly their singing that really lacks. I think they nail it in terms of doing their choreo, the problem with comparing them to groups like Big Bang and Mamamoo is that the focus is different. Mamamoo is ALL about having fun on stage, the choreo is really just to get you from point A of fan interaction to point B, it's similar to the little bits of choreo in Big Bang stuff. Sistar is a wild animal I don't know how to categorize them because they're good at everything when it comes to nailing choreo and playing with the crowd.

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

Choa has as much cf as seol
She get musical, radio show, her own photoshoot, she did that nba thing with taeyang, she the second spoke person for AOA... and she doesn't have haters (or vey few) unlike the other girls. So when you take into account the positive and the negative she's more popular. Seol is the face though, no doubt but she has haters, when she gets a role people complain about her, Choa doesn't get that. They are the money maker though, those two

AOA has always been good with choreo imo, they're always in sync but their singing oh my
But to be fair it was never fnc intention to have them shine as singers, they always relied on Choa for that
But I wish they'd be more "present" on stage, they don't blow me away. I don't think they can magically transform into singing angel but stage presence can be learned and fnc should work on that

[dickslikejesus.livejournal.com]

I'm gonna say that I don't believe you on the Choa as much as Seol but I don't follow them that much. She also doesn't have near as much drama work as Seol for sure or variety. The NBA thing is a big deal I think? I dunno really! I'm not sure how much weight NBA has, but obviously there's money if Taeyang is there. I'll give you the haters part, but there's a lot of super popular members of groups that have TONS of haters, you can point at GD who's still huge for Big Bang so I just dunno. I would actually have to see how many CFs, maybe it's just international fans don't care as much about her I dunno.

Yeah I mean their singing is trouble I dunno, I totally agree with the Choa thing, she's the serious vocal crutch for that group, and Yuna is there to help out mostly.

[jrt131n.livejournal.com]

Isn't that more the fault of the editor in charge of editing and not so much GD?

[sub-divided.livejournal.com]

He checks off on everything though. You always see him checking the playback.

[jrt131n.livejournal.com]

That's not really how it works when filming a music video. During the filming process you only see what scene was filmed, which in that case is Paris and gd chain scene dance thingy. Yes the rest of the people are filmed, but it still has to go through an editor to be pieced together. If not the. The video would have been much longer. That's why sometimes MV scenes seem to jump from scene to scene, because of the editing process. All forms of film go through that.

[benihime99.livejournal.com]

Oh, I was mostly commenting about my issue with the scene...

apologies for the novel

[kyokomurasaki.livejournal.com]

Kind of on the subject of people going off on idols/groups about things that don't make sense (and this is not just a kpop problem but a celeb culture thing in general,) it seems that there's been an increasing trend over the past few years to be completely hyperbolic about celebrities and label them as either "beautiful cinnamon rolls too good for this world" or "trash" with no room for any kind of nuance in between, and I think people forget that that's not how human beings actually work. The first category basically doesn't apply to anyone because no one is actually perfect, and very few people legitimately belong in the second one even though everyone gets called that all the time. It's difficult because we mostly only see what they choose to reveal to the public, which is usually very deliberate and calculated, so people's personas get exaggerated until everybody is a caricature of whatever the fandom/public has decided they're like and it doesn't really leave any room for logical discussion because everyone is so thirsty to prove that someone is either a horrible human being or the second coming of Jesus. Everyone fucks up to varying degrees, and when it happens it seems like the general reaction is either to sweep it under the rug and ignore it, turn on the person immediately, or use it as justification for someone's dislike of a celeb (regardless of whether that dislike is for a reason or not.)


TL;DR (I think this (http://artepen.tumblr.com/post/122136095435/quick-suggestion-stop-fucking-counting-on) sums it up better than I can lol) people are so extra about everything and forget that not everyone lives on tumblr

Re: apologies for the novel

[dickslikejesus.livejournal.com]

Hi~! Thanks for listening <3

I can't click your tumblr link so I'll just go off what you said and honestly I agree even though I'm guilty of using such hyperbolic terms. To be honest I got trash and garbage from League of Legends where it's very common for pros and all to use it even about other people that it clearly doesn't apply to. It's almost a joke of an exaggeration like if you're a little bad you're a trashcan etc. I do agree though that it's so black and white the way people respond and that's also in LARGE part due to situations being viewed black and white. If you do something a little bad you're satan, if you say like "She's pretty for a black person." You're just as bad as someone who I dunno gropes someone it's like all bads are bad period, when the reality is there is an extreme scale that everything should be weighed on. Do I think you should catch heat for saying something as slightly racist as "she's pretty for a black person" Yeah you should totally catch heat, but you shouldn't be crucified, you should be given a chance to recover. That's just one example, I don't strictly mean we should save Taeyeon or anything but it just seems like all bad is bad and that's really annoying.

Thank you for the novel! Sorry I gave you one back though haha

[jrt131n.livejournal.com]

Fandom wars are stupid. Like the level that people go to try to show that they are the BEST OF THE BEST is crazy. At the end of the day Exo is still getting money, BigBang is getting money, they are all getting money. So who cares.

GD isn't wrong, because as of right now, Exo isn't really writing their own songs. Yeah Jonghyun has now started getting known for writing songs for SHINee and other artist, but its mostly because SM didn't market SHINee or Exo as a group that writes and compose their own music. And at the end of the day, they are all making music, getting paid doing it and that's what counts.

SHINee Jonghyun eventually responded by saying

"Even if the composed music doesn’t appeal to the public, I personally feel there is no need to be apologetic about it, that’s how I personally feel.”

So Jjong is fine and doesn't care, so no one should be loosing their shit...but reading that thread was fun tho.

Do groups like BigBang really care if they don't win music shows? I really doubt it since they've been around for like 1,000 years, and have won a ton of times. Of course most fans care because they feel like it shows that they are still on top, but soon the shines looses it luster.

*sigh* show me the money. I just want to head to Korea and take Ravi to the side and slap him upside his head and make him sit in the corner. Talking about competition, boy should be at home reading a damn book.

The thirst this black nut has for Beenzino is.....THIRST, HE IS A THIRSTY THOT. Someone give him a glass of water. He needs to get his life. What in the what?

[dickslikejesus.livejournal.com]

As always thank you for listening friend! <3

Yeah I mean I have a lot of respect for Jonghyun, I think he's wonderful and sweet so I'm glad he wasn't offended. I even think he makes good stuff, and I really don't think GD was dissing anyone, the fans took it that way. He never said exo isn't successful or talented, he just said Big Bang is set apart by their creative control really. And he implied that the fans also like their creative direction. Both of these statements are 100 percent true.

Show me the money is such a mess. I'm hoping the episodes are hard to find so I can have an excuse to not watch it the more I see about it.

[jrt131n.livejournal.com]

Fans are extra sensitive this summer.

I would be so embarrassed if someone I knew ended on that show.

[donutism.livejournal.com]

AoA white is a non-promotional unit, which is why they never promote. Aoa main promotional unit is what people call aoa7. Aoa black is the band. I mean, they already called Y a half angel from the beginning I don't see why people are still fussing about it. I wonder how they distribute income tho.

GsD became popular after their sexy image. So did Aoa. I think to gain popularity you need the male fans, but to remain relevant in the long run, thats when you need the loyalty of female fans. I think people might not see that, because in general the international fandom has a lot of female girl group stans, especially on omona.

9musesssssssssssssssss, the savior of summer kpop.

I can see why people have issues with Taeyeon's 'attitude', but to the point of wanting soshi's comeback to fail...... yeah no, maybe cause i can't see myself disliking someone so much to want them to fail unless they're like kim hyun joong.

Oh GD, causing trouble everywhere. I don't see an issue with what he said, because it is true. I think shinee fans and exo fans are just really sensitive about the issue. Shinee fans because Jonghyun writes stuff, and exo fans because they have a lot of anger.

Justice for momo :( JYP doing nothing right when it comes to talent, once again.