BAP Unadvertently Updates Us About TS Negotiations

[arysthaeniru.livejournal.com]

돈만 못 갚는다고 빚쟁인가요 다시 돌아와서 그 마음들에게 다 갚을게요 기다려요

— ZELO (@ZELO96) June 3, 2015

Are you a creditor if you can’t pay back money
When I come back I’ll repay all those feelings
Wait

비겁한 도덕을 가르치는 어른들을 이해하자 사회란 그런 곳이라며 합리화 시키지만 그 분들이 버티고 견디며 지켜오던 삶의 무게를 존경하자

— Bang yongguk (@BAP_Bangyongguk) June 8, 2015

Let’s understand the adults who teach cowardly morals. They rationalize it by saying that’s the kind of place society is but let’s respect what they had to endure and to protect the weight of life.

하지만 답습하지 말자 어른들이 지켜온 숭고함은 어쩌면 더 독하고 당당하게 정의로움을 이야기하는 나의 자랑스러운 아들, 딸들을 위한 의식이였다고 생각하자

— Bang yongguk (@BAP_Bangyongguk) June 8, 2015

But let’s not follow them. But let’s think of it as perhaps the nobility the adults protected was for the consciousness of my proud sons and daughters to to speak of justice more strongly and fairly.

이젠 우리가 비겁한 도덕이 아닌 진짜 도덕을 어른들에게 말할수 있는 사람이 되자

— Bang yongguk (@BAP_Bangyongguk) June 8, 2015

Let’s be the people to speak of real, not cowardly morals to the adults.


Sources: Zelo's Twitter | Bang Yongguk's Twitter | Bap Trans 1 | 2

They both sound so frustrated. Stupid TS.

Comments

[jjang-intae.livejournal.com]

It's been more than half a year, will this ever come to an end :(

[shintotchi.livejournal.com]

You must be new to kpop lol

[hipployta.livejournal.com]

Oh my

[wi-arae.livejournal.com]

If I read another netizen comment criticizing any artist for having issues with their agencies I'll flip a table. (And even worse if they add a layer of racism on it- I'm looking at you gross EXO-Ls)
Before being here for your entertainment they are hard working men and women tying to make a living as much as the next guy. It may seem glamorous but it doesn't change the fact that they provide work against pay. It's called a damn job.
Issues with your employment contract/employees are common in every industry and sector.
Artists don't owe you anything that forces them to not deal with their personal professional issues- regardless that they're a public figure. It's /literally/ their business. And even though people are salty about the amount they make- they take years to make money and they're usually not paid enough for the crap their companies and public opinions put them through daily.

Also am I the only one shocked that minors can also sign under such contracts. The fuck is wrong with the law/agency/parents? Over here you can't be employed under 16, and until you're 18 you can't work past 8PM or on Sundays because legally and mentally they are still children. Who the hell let's a 16 year old be exposed to so much public scrutiny, hate, shitty working conditions, unhealthy hours and hard work when they should be enjoying youth, acquiring a skill set or studying.
Minors in groups make me so damn uncomfortable. Why do they need to be so young and why does no one feel guilty for robbing them of a childhood to have them train everyday in windowless rooms well into the night, work insanely and not make any fucking money for years?

Ugh- sorry this is my "it's 2AM I'm not asleep and the industry and a lot of the general public angers me" rant

[arysthaeniru.livejournal.com]

It's so frustrating, I totally agree. They're people far before they're entertainers, and even B.A.P fans have had problems with remembering this. There were a couple of fans criticizing Daehyun and the other members for not posting enough about B.A.P and taking pictures of themselves with their old friends and trying to continue a normal life and that sort of entitlement just confuses me so much.

And yes, I feel the worst for Zelo in this situation--or in any idol group. They lose so much time on this, but they know that if they want to be a 'good' idol, they have to start training when they're a child--and they're just happier if they get to the point of actually performing earlier, regardless of whether they're a minor or not when they're performing. And a lot of kpop parents aren't happy about their kid joining the industry, from most stories I've seen, but their child usually insists upon it.

[darkensunrise.livejournal.com]

Daehyun has been getting so much flack just for pursuing (unofficial) activities while on hiatus, even though he's said a number of times that BAP are still together as 6.

Like yes, I'd love to know that they all still hang out but can't we remember that for a long time - maybe during training days and after debut - that they were barely allowed to see their friends and family? let them live.

[arysthaeniru.livejournal.com]

Yeah, and now we only really see when the members hang out--which is nice, but I wish I knew a bit more about how they're doing otherwise. Ahhh, Daehyun's really been wonderful throughout this whole affair, very thoughtful and sensitive to fans.

Yeah, it's really nice seeing them with family and friends and just seeing them happy. *sighs* I just hope that this is resolved soon and they can go back to making music in a better environment.

...not that I think they'll return as B.A.P OT6. Yongguk's unlikely to ever return to idol life after this, and I think Zelo doesn't want any part in it either ^^;;;;

[darkensunrise.livejournal.com]

Part of me hopes they (yongguk and zelo, mostly) want to continue as 6. If they don't well, I would understand but I'd be forever heartbroken. They're not BAP without them. Ah, I don't want to think about this :(

[arysthaeniru.livejournal.com]

I would really hope that they'd sign under someone like Amoeba Culture, or even Seven Seasons like Block B and continue to produce good music away from the main problems of joining more shitty, controlling agencies, but mm.... it's not a scenario I see as likely? Especially after how bitter Yongguk's been sounding in his tweets and his mixtapes, I think he'll return back to underground music :(

I hope they'll mostly stick together though. But that's a sort of selfish desire.

*hugs you*

[darkensunrise.livejournal.com]

Well. Zelo did tweet that he misses rehearsing and practicing, so I kind of do think he wants to continue. As for Yongguk.. well, he rarely tweets (all he's been doing is posting pictures on instagram). And to me, his song sounded more upset, frustrated, and sad than bitter. I know he's said before that he isn't really cut out for celebrity life (like the makeup and the hair and clothes) but he never gave the illusion that he didn't like being an idol. At least not to me. Maybe he didn't like being an idol because of what TS were putting them through? I don't know, I don't want to make that assumption.

I want to believe that they want to come back as 6 though, that's all.

[darkensunrise.livejournal.com]

how the hell did I instantly know who you were OMG

yeah for himchan idk what he's up to these days bc he keeps posting pics of his coffee cup so... lol and what about youngjae? I know he's a private person but is he still singing? does he want to keep singing?

[darkensunrise.livejournal.com]

true but at least we know that jongup has been dancing during their hiatus lol

[nana-the-dwarf.livejournal.com]

Agree 100%

I'd like to see these keyboard warrios experience one month of idolhood life and see if they can still preach the same words. Their level of entitlement and ignorance just blows my mind.

[wi-arae.livejournal.com]

That's exactly it. Insane entitlement. Regardless if they're a public figure or not- it doesn't take away anyone's right to protest unfair or no longer adapted work conditions.
That's like, the basis of labor law. They are not exempt because they owe anyone entertainment..

[bookwurm92.livejournal.com]

I completely agree with you on being horrified about the minors in the industry. I keep seeing stuff on tumblr about Woozi from Seventeen, and how adorable he is, but...the kid is 13. Way too young to be forced into adulthood.

Offtopic, sorry.

ETA: Ok, got the members mixed up. Samuel is the one who is 13, and Woozi is the one that everyone is squeeing over how adorable he is

[jrt131n.livejournal.com]

Samuel isn't in the group anymore he left I think last year. But yeah I remember seeing so many people freaking out about him. Woozi is about to be 19 or is 19 now.

[bookwurm92.livejournal.com]

Yeah, google is confusing. The only profile I could find (which tends to be where I get ages and stuff from) still lists like 3 people that apparently left. Though apparently there's still a 15 year old in the group? Which is still way too young to me. And it appalls me that there was even discussion of Samuel debuting when he was 11. Like that is completely crazy.

[simprov.livejournal.com]

the youngest in seventeen was born in 99 and he already turned 16
hes still hella young, but theres been a fair amount of ppl who debut at 16 unfortunately

[wi-arae.livejournal.com]

As a parent I don't think I could be okay giving away my 13 or 15 year old (probably started training earlier) like that.
I honestly think people shouldn't debut before they're 18. Hell they can't even sign their own employment contract all alone- and they are too young and probably not educated enough (+ way too desperate to debut) that they wont even understand or really consider the contract terms. It's super fishy.
I mean it's /literally/ child labour and I can't believe the laws are so lax when you see how hard they work them.
I'm looking at you SM making young girls sign for 13 damn years.

[ah-mui.livejournal.com]

Changmin, Seungri, Sohee, Sunmi, Taemin, they all debuted hella young around 15-16. All these young kids only sound older because of their Korean age thing. I remember being surprised when DBSK went to Japan and their real ages were shown on Japanese tv shows. You get lulled into thinking they're older than they really are.

[misspoirot.livejournal.com]

+100000000

[torontok.livejournal.com]

Exactly.People need to realize that being an idol isn't missionary work, they don't do it out of the goodness of their hearts, they need to earn a living and pay off debts and it's okay to want more money/better prospects/work environment. Labeling them traitors for that is just batshit.
I'm the same age as Zelo and I could never have survived the work environment he was under.

[wi-arae.livejournal.com]

Yes to all of this! It's not charity.
Any kind of entertainment is a damn service. It's normal to exchange money for goods and services. It's normal for entertainers to want to be paid. I'm amazed some people don't get that. The entitlement of fans who think that artists are there to serve them regardless of whatever personal and professional issue they may have (and who are like 'I supported them I deserved this'. Yes you supported them, you paid, they provided their service at that point. Good for you- but you don't buy their futures or their personal choices)
Or those who criticize idols for being rich. Like- do they criticize Apple for being rich? Like any product or service hey've trained (Research & Development) for years, then marketed themselves to the masses and keep putting a new product/comeback on the market. If people choose to buy it, good for them, they've worked hard for it. I don't understand why people put down celebrities for actually making a nice living (and those are usually the ones who've been around for YEARS anyway)

Lol I made more in 6 month internship on minimum wage than EXID probably did their first two years while working much less hours and leading a probably much healthier life and schedule. It's fucked up

[darkensunrise.livejournal.com]

It's been over 6 months... can't this just end already? :(

[maiihanii.livejournal.com]

zelo's tweet :(

[atopworld.livejournal.com]

It's been way too long. TS is doing the absolute most and it's got to be frustrating. So I understand their feelings. I often wonder how the others are feeling as well, too, because they don't voice it via social media as much.

And as mentioned above, I can't even come to terms with the fact that people are giving Daehyun a hard time for doing his performances. Um, do they not realize that he is keeping the fandom together by doing so? They get to see him, he updates like crazy for THEM, AND he gets to continue performing which is a plus for him and K-Babys. Like...I don't know what else they would want from him. He's doing so much to keep them happy.

[kicking-tenshi.livejournal.com]

Can't really say much on the politics but I miss BAP.

[audiograms.livejournal.com]

My babies, I can't imagine the pressure they are under, trying to keep fans happy and keep them sticking around, trying to fight TS and trying to keep their creativity.

[torontok.livejournal.com]

You ever just want to wrap someone in a blanket and hide them from the fuckery of this world?

[seroquels.livejournal.com]

I really hope however it ends, it ends in the boys favor. I can't imagine how frustrating this must be for them.