[Pann] Collection of proof that Hwayoung wasn't bullied

[leopolitan.livejournal.com]

Pann: The surprising real image of T-ara's ex-member Hwayoung

Run-down of the events leading to the 'determination tweets' that everyone claims Hwayoung was bullied by.

This is a picture of Hwayoung being supported by two men. Just before this picture was taken, she was walking just fine on her two legs until she got to the van waiting in front of the airport and reached for support.

Fans who were there to take pictures: What the?

T-ara and Ryu Hwayoung went to Japan and started rehearsals straight after for their concert. Hwayoung, however, said that her leg was hurting and couldn't participate in the rehearsals so she left to go rest in the hotel.

The choreography was then changed from 8 members -> 7 members. As fangirls should know, changing a choreography is huge work and doesn't happen frequently since it causes a revamp from start to finish... But T-ara started rehearsals again as 7 members. But what the...? Hwayoung, who supposedly hurt her leg, is where...? At the nail art shop~

Then T-ara got mad and started talking about determination on Twitter.

By the way, if you ever wondered how strong T-ara's own determinations were...

- From 2009 to 2012, they slept for as little as 2-3 hours a day for three straight years to complete all of their schedules, sleeping 30 minutes in travel time.

- In 2012, Jiyeon broke her nose after getting accidentally hit by a back dancer during her Japanese concert. She still finished her concert until the end and got diagnosed at a hospital before flying straight back to Korea to complete 'Music Bank' and another event. She then went back to Japan to finish her Japanese tour concerts.



- Jiyeon finally went back to Korea for surgery. But of course, T-ara back then was known for their killer schedules. Music Bank, Inkigayo, Music Core, Open Music Concert, Sponge, Gag Concert, Running Man, Olympic events, IAC, etc.. the list goes on and on. She only took a day off the day of her surgery and then went straight back into her schedules.

- October 10th, 2013 - No. 9's comeback stage. Jiyeon's knee started hurting during the M. Countdown pre-recording but she completed the pre-recording and went to the hospital to be diagnosed with synovitis. What that means is that water is being filled inside the kneecap and treatment requires that she not move or walk a lot. Walking causes pain.

Jiyeon, however, went straight to the live broadcast of M. Countdown just two hours after getting her shot and completed her entire choreography. This went on for an entire two months of schedules.

- January 1st, 2012 - Jiyeon fainted on Inkigayo. She had been running off of basically no sleep due to the 2011 Gayo Daejun pre-recording and live broadcast and fainted as soon as she finished her 'Cry Cry' stage on the Inkigayo New Year special.

- In 2014, Jiyeon was rushed to the emergency room for enteritis and acute indigestion only after she was waiting for T-ara's turn on Music Core. She was then discharged the very next day and went back to her schedules. She also apologized for not being able to perform on stage that day.

Etc, etc, there is no end to the determination of these girls. Compared to Hwayoung, it's like comparing the sky to the ground. No matter how injured they were, they completed their choreography. Hwayoung, however... all she had to do was sit on a chari and sing but she didn't even attend her concert because she was supposedly so hurt. The members had every right to make those determination tweets. Not that it makes T-ara right but there's a reason they directed those tweets at her.

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An interview by a rep who observed T-ara and Hwayoung said, "Hwayoung started getting a celebrity disease after she settled in with the group. She was cocky about being a celebrity and a T-ara member... the original members weren't like that. I wondered why a new member would be acting like that... and I think she wasn't bullied but the other members just reprimanded that type of behavior and the scandal blew up into what it is right now."

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The story about Hwayoung throwing her crutches on 'Music Bank' and refusing to perform on stage -> Some think it's just Kwang Soo's media play but journalists and Music Bank PDs testified to the story.



On top of that, a famous Hyomin picture fansite (she is close enough with Hyomin that she knows her number and follows all of T-ara's schedules) tweented that Hwayoung threw her crutches on July 30th, 2012 at 1:49 PM... CCM confirmed it the same day at 2:38 PM. Basically, fans knew that Hwayoung threw her crutches before the company announced it. It was not media play but fact.

As observed by the fansite admin, Hwayoung's twin Hyoyoung had sent a text to T-ara's Ahreum saying, "Hwayoung isn't getting love all because of you!"

Right before the Music Bank live, Hyomin tried to bring Hwayoung and Ahreum together to get them to make up but Hwayoung got mad and threw her crutches and left.



Lastly, the reactions of the people who have worked with T-ara to the scandal.

1. T-ara's make up artist: Anyone who knows will know.

2. T-ara's former manager: Koreans are the best when it comes to making up stories. You can put away your needless sense of justice.

3. T-ara's chief choreographer: You cannot call something you did not experience for yourself the truth. Spreading distorted versions of what happened as the truth is close to crime... How upsetting. What did these young friends do to deserve this? They cannot say that they're hurt even when they are, or that they're struggling.. What is the truth? Is it that important to us living our lives...? How has our society changed to this extent...

4. T-ara's main composer Ahn Young Min: Netizens should tell their families that they love them in the time they're writing these hateful comments.

5. T-ara's back dancer: People are so... mean...

6. Fashion stylist Han Jong Wan: Retweeted a tweet saying T-ara's Hwayoung wasn't bullied

7. T-ara's acting manager: also tweeted videos and articles that refuted the bullying claim.

8. Former backdancers: Scary how people can have this sheep mentality over something that they don't even know the truth about.

9. Other backdancers: The world is so scary... You're all going to be punished for making all of this up. It's not the truth, so stop!!

10. Hwayoung's close unni: I'll say this for the last time. From what I know, regarding kids fighting over whether Hwayoung was bullied or not, I think it is the netizens who made Hwayoung out to be the victim of bullying. To what extent is the question... There are things about the celebrity industry that non-stars will never understand....

11. Actor Ahn Jae Min's interview who was friends with Eunjung in school: wrote a lengthy Twitter post testifying to Eunjung not being a bully and supporting her. Eunjung then got in contact with him and asked why he did that for her when he didn't have to.

12. Suzy's interview where she talked about Jiyeon taking care of everyone around her and putting them before herself.

....and dozens of other interviews and words of support by those that know T-ara the best.

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1. [+356, -112] Sigh... imagine how frustrated the T-ara members must've felt

2. [+345, -82] Hwayoung is not normal, for real

3. [+284, -81] In the IAC case too when Hwayoung was talking to Sungjong, T-ara was playing table tennis. The umbrella being broken happened before that and T-ara tried to put it over together. Hwayoung deserved to be bullied.

4. [+172, -14] T-ara would've been such a successful group Hwayoung never joined them. All because of one wrong member, the entire group hit rock bottom and all of them lost their dreams;

5. [+171, -14] Posts like this have been coming up for several years now. People tried to clarify what happened but nobody wanted to listen. I'll be grateful if people took off their bias for a second and read through this.

6. [+163, -15] This pisses me off, how could this kid act like the victim and get all that praise this entire time

7. [+138, -8] All she had to do was sit on a chair and sing her part but she left because her leg hurt fully knowing that T-ara had been waiting for this important, first concert for so long. And then she went to a nail salon? B2ST's Kikwang hurt his leg but he sat on stage on a chair and completed all of his performances. What a comparison.

8. [+121, -10] Yeah, it was just some discord that turned into a bullying witch hunt..

9. [+115, -13] So glad that people are slowly starting to realize that Hwayoung was not bullied ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

10. [+97, -14] Bullying = torturing someone consistently. What happened with T-ara was just a single instance of a fight within the group. When you're in a group of six friends and one of them does something that the rest of you thinks is ridiculous so you get into a fight over it, does that mean that one friend is being bullied? No, it's just a fight. They could've made up and moved on but netizens blew it up and there was no returning from that.

11. [+88, -2] Doesn't matter because to Koreans, once they exile someone, they don't care about them anymore

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Comments

[hipployta.livejournal.com]

It's all been said before but people only care about the intial scandal and lies. That last comment applies to more than Korea really

[kjc48.livejournal.com]

The worst part about the T-ara scandal is that no one cared when they were having random member additions, or they were repeatedly stating that they're overwork, or when members would perform with broken legs, or when their CEO would publicly threatened them. But oh, bullying~ is where the line is drawn.

[mellowyel (from livejournal.com)]

^^ this. At the beginning I figured their shitty working conditions were the source of all the "infighting"

[leighbee333.livejournal.com]

Etc, etc, there is no end to the determination of these girls. Compared to Hwayoung, it's like comparing the sky to the ground. No matter how injured they were, they completed their choreography.

I'm really grossed out at the behavior/mentality they're endorsing as admirable & hard working.

[ditzyandroid.livejournal.com]

+100

[yuzuruhanyu.livejournal.com]

i really wonder if ccm hadn't been run by that moron kim kwangsoo things coulda turned out different

[leopolitan.livejournal.com]

idg how he still had a job after that legendary mismanagement. and went on to make more mistakes like the chris brown thing

[iznanassi.livejournal.com]

I don't think she was bullied however there was definitely a toxic environment in the group and to me anyways it still seems like it was group vs new members. The tweets confirmed it for me, but before that I had always seen Hwayoung away from T-ara and with other people. Watching No Mercy I definitely saw how cruel people can be to "new additions", so it's not impossible or improbable. I also don't see why Hwayoung not putting up with shitty working conditions = grounds to harass or insult her or treat her like shit. Kick her out quietly like SNSD did with Jessica or live with it. I wouldn't tolerate if EXO started talking shit about Tao in their situation, it doesn't make sense. So all this "proof" is still moot to me.

That being said, CCM/MBK is obviously at fault for that atmosphere (so was Starship in the example I just mentioned). My problem though is that it's still not an excuse to treat someone poorly? Bullies (again, not saying that's what T-ara is but I'm just furthering the example) usually spawn out of bad circumstances themselves, but it's still not an excuse.

[winegums.livejournal.com]

I also don't see why Hwayoung not putting up with shitty working conditions = grounds to harass or insult her or treat her like shit.

Apparently putting your own health ahead of a fan's expectations (and even going against the flow to do it) is grounds to justify poor treatment of her. She had an injured leg ffs, just because Jiyeon permanently fucked up her knee by dancing injured doesn't mean Hwayoung had to do the same.

And while she lasted, she was a good rapper. Way better than anyone T-Ara has now, I'm almost sad she turned to acting full time bc it means she gives up music.

[bettyderp.livejournal.com]

if only kim kwangsoo put ahreum first intead of hwayoung
i believe this kinda thing wouldnt happen
she is such a nice kid and so likeable..
and she fits t-ara more than hw and she sings live even when she dance like mad T_T i miss her

btw
i hope this kind of post will show up at least once a year in pann or any korean site/forum to remind them koreans that they're just bunch of girls who overworked and they didnt not bully hw
and their determination and professionalism is really at top
until t-ara rises and gains public's interest again
because i really believe they will be popular as they were used to be ..all it needs is just one hit song
but rn mbk is really busy with their other groups and build their future cash cow
so i say take your time mbk... and don't be shitty like ccm
/end rant

[sundaetea.livejournal.com]

shitty work environment = overworked idols = irritation/annoyance = inevitable blow up.
I just feel really bad for everyone (minus ceo of ccm)

[amylia.livejournal.com]

Why does the report is Jiyeon bias? What about the determination of other members? Is it because Jiyeon is the one that is being picked out as the one who bullied Hwayoung the worst by the netizens so now they are releasing reports that Jiyeon is the most hardworking or sacrificing of them all to rectify it? This sound more like trying to salvage Jiyeon's reputation rather than T-ara. I'd rather read a report that said about EVERY member instead on focusing on one. KwangSoo should focus on every member, so then Jiyeon could have some rest and not overwork resulting to getting injuries all the time. Frankly when I read this, its more of Jiyeon vs Hwayoung rather than T-ara vs Hwayoung imho.

[annhh.livejournal.com]

Yeah, focusing on how hard and "admirable" she worked despite everything still doesn't change what happened in group.

[leopolitan.livejournal.com]

dont get me started ugh. she was the main reason i-fans turned against t-ara too bc she ignored any articles with common sense and translated blatantly false things like t-aras black ocean. this was back when her bias was more obvious lol she was clearly enjoying their downfall. so this article is 2little2late but its the least NB owes t-ara since they got her so many views

[donutism.livejournal.com]

It was clear that while she wasn't really bullied, she was def left out of the group.

Also, putting up with crap working conditions isn't a trait worthy of praise.

It makes me mad that scandals like these ruin the reputation of both sides, and yet if it was a guy group neither of them would have gotten the same backlash.

[love-allure.livejournal.com]

i don't see how being left out of the group isn't being ostracized or "bullying", that's literally what the word (왕따) wangtta is.

[treaclyena.livejournal.com]

these proofs don't really /refute/ the bullying claims, tbqh. they sound more like justification to the bullying/ostracizing of hwayoung

[bunica1990.livejournal.com]

Mte

[fancifury.livejournal.com]

i'm glad the truth is finally coming out about hw*y**ng! but watch the haters ignore this post...

[horichansenpai.livejournal.com]

Never cared for T-ara all that much (not even musically despite their music being so popular - "Sugar Free" was legit the first song of theirs (out of the title tracks I've heard anyways) I really liked) but seeing their reputation fall because of this was horrifying.

"Hwayoung deserved to be bullied. "
Uh no one should be bullied thanks.

[ariellm13.livejournal.com]

A few things to say.

1. Hwayoung was walking just fine and fans have pictures of this but the only pictures that exist show her needing help walking. Okay, sure. That makes complete sense.

2. A girl who has a broken leg, can't dance so the choreography must be changed and the hurt person should stay and watch them do this. Her getting her nails done makes her lazy and evil obviously.

3. How dare Hwayoung refuse to perform when hurt. The gull.

4. Hwayoung threw her crutches and had a fit at the thought of performing while injured and she did it in front of journalists who just so happened to have lost their cameras that day.

5. Cryptic tweets by people somehow connected to T-ara tell everything.

6. Tweets that speak well of anyone not Hwayoung mean Hwayoung is evil.

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You see this was a part of the problem the first time around. CCM tried to blame the whole thing on Hwayoung which made T-ara look even worse because clearly Hwayoung didn't do anything actually bad. Her getting her nails done while others were working is her biggest strike and even then, where did her getting her nails done even come from?

[angela-derp-otp.livejournal.com]

MTE.

They were never able to back up their claims about Hwayoung with proofs. Like Show me the receipts and i'll believe it. So far the only clear thing about this mess and judging by the sub tweeting they engaged in, is that the group clearly ostracize her

[premonitioner.livejournal.com]

I like how the picture proof is literally 'she didn't need support, according to people who were there to take pictures' but with absolutely no pictures of her not needing support. This is a bad compilation of bad 'evidence'.

I don't even know what happened because I wasn't interested in the scandal at the time, but this just seems like a weird thing to post 3 years later.

what government scandal is this supposed to be distracting us from?

[iviih.livejournal.com]

This was posted many times before, but not translated to I-fans.

And just now people decided to read it.

Plusnetizenbuzz finally decided to post something in T-ara's favor, she was very biased in the past.

[10135.livejournal.com]

I'm so tired of this bullshit. This is not determination. Working back to back jobs with a broken nose should not be considered determination. Forcing yourself through broken bones, depression, and lack of sleep is not determination. Healing wounds and healing yourself to make yourself better is. This skewed thinking is wrong.

[iviih.livejournal.com]

But they couldn't refuse. KKS said himself, he would kick out anyone who didn't obey him.

Do you really think they wanted to work injuried, and have no breaks for 3 years straight?

Why when it is about T-ara being overworked everybody doesn't care,

but when it is other said group, everyone praises them and pity them, calling their company names?

[mycorrhizoid.livejournal.com]

This proves nothing. Anecdotes about how hard the rest of T-ara had it and hearsay of how horrible Hwayoung was from people who have a vested interest in discrediting her do not equal evidence.

I follow neither her nor the group, but that's because CCM is even shadier than the rest of the shady Kpop biz . . .

[cast-no-shadow0.livejournal.com]

Not proof of anything. I think it was a toxic environment.

[bunica1990.livejournal.com]

Exactly.

[suxaholic.livejournal.com]

like most panns this one is dumb as hell. I am not saying that she was bullied but the only thing that the article does say
that hwayoung was lazy and a faker without any proof of anything

[hitthoselightz.livejournal.com]

sigh i wish they could regain their popularity

im fed up with people talking shit that know fuck all about kks/ccm/tara
its one of the reasons why tara cant redeem themselves and why this scandal was worsely received, kpop ifans are just as bad as knetz

[sayitisso.livejournal.com]

what is the purpose of bringing up jiyeon's broken nose and comparing it to the situation with hwayoung's injured leg? another ungrateful idol witch hunt? thank the gods she's not chinese or she'd be done for

it's too late to stir more shit now, nobody really cares anymore. it's suspicious that all these "news" and "comments" and "proof" are surfacing now in favor of t-ara all at once hmm

[love-allure.livejournal.com]

it's suspicious that all these "news" and "comments" and "proof" are surfacing now in favor of t-ara all at once hmm

nah, it's been constant since the scandal. it's an age-old tactic fans/hired help use to turn the tide so to speak. for example lee byung hun's fan/people used to post pity party threads everywhere about the evil canadian chick out to get him~ AND LOOK EVERYONE LOOK HOW AWESOME HE IS ON IRIS! it worked too. park shi woo and that guy from ss501, they still have fan posting sometimes about how wronged they were. phhffftt.

[bloodtaki2.livejournal.com]

lol these are not proofs against Hwayoung but justification to booting her out because she was a faker and lazy. Like the exemple with Jiyeon going through schedule despite her broken nose. That's a true dedicated member, Hwayoung should have danced on her broken leg but she's so lazy!1!!!1 Please, this is a pathetic argumentation.

[a-cheshire-grin.livejournal.com]

This is ridiculous. You can't just prove or disprove that somebody was bullied by showing a few pictures and conversations. I was bullied my whole school life long, but not even my parents realised that there was something wrong with me.

Fans/Netizens really need to stop playing detectives, because they'll never know the whole story. STOP judging people because of what you think they have done or went through or at least show me some proof, SOLID proof!!!

[aleksu7.livejournal.com]

But this article doesn't prove anything. It just proves that the girls were overworked and they have to deal with it cause CCM ceo is a psycho.

[hurtmybones.livejournal.com]

lmao @ ppl advocating against the witch hunt t-ara got by trying to start a witch hunt against hwayoung. starting a smear campaign to paint someone else in a better light =/= getting the truth out. those sad attempts with the pics of her standing on an escalator are embarrassing af and are dangerously close to sounding like justifying ccm's abusive practises towards their employees.

[nekokonneko.livejournal.com]

It's really disturbing how some people here have talked about hwayoung (not in this particular post but others in the recent past), calling her useless, lazy deadweight. Like, way to spew the company line and support the toxic work conditions you claim to hate.