Junyoung: This all happened within a day? No. This is the result of oppression that has spanned over

[in-noctem.livejournal.com]

ZE:A’s Lee Hoo (Junyoung) has tweeted yet another set of 6 messages in the latest developments on this story.

The story originally began when ZE:A’s Lee Hoo was spotted tweeting a torrent of messages, all against his company and CEO. He continued to tweet, pleading with media to report his story.

Then, suddenly Lee Hoo revealed that he had come to an agreement with their CEO and had won. Netizens continued to leave confused comments, as the situation seemed extremely serious just moments before.

Check out his latest tweets translated by Koreaboo.

There seems to be many people who believe that I am only thinking about myself and suppressing my thoughts after receiving money. That is not true. I have witnessed the tears of CEO Shin Joohak yesterday. This all happened within a day? No. This is the result of oppression that has spanned over years. Am I avoiding anything? No. This is merely a ceasefire.

I might not be able to.. provide you with the explosive revelation that you all wanted..  but you were able to have an insight.. into my perspective.. as I had to carry all these burdens. What I’m trying to say is, if you are going to help, please help properly…

I wonder why he is only capable of spectating and fueling the fire. Why do you not think of the family who has to watch the fight from both our sides, why..?  How am I supposed to stay still when my friend is getting hurt.. There was no one willing to bravely volunteer to fight for them at the time.

Let’s just say… I did start this war like you all are saying. I’ll do the dirty work but can you all confidently say that you guys will be on my side until the end? I’ll decide after seeing your trust in me. Don’t leave comments on web portal sites anymore and comment on my Twitter with your name and number if you’re willing to stay on my side.

If you’re going to be on the same ship, stay on it..

I’ll take care of this matter regarding your belief in me.

I’ll start a war like you all are saying.

But in return, please show how many people are believing in me, move my heart. If you are saying you really want to help.. I’m counting on you guys.

source: koreaboo

Well this kinda answers everyone's questions about how/why it was solved so quickly but it's still very confusing and he sounds so desperate here. And does he plan on calling the fans or what... also, sorry if I'm basically spamming this comm with nothing but junyoung news - I just want as many people to know about this and support him ;_;

Comments

[froggster.livejournal.com]

I keep being confused. What the hell is his stance on the ceo now????

Why do people always insist on using flowery language in situations like these in the first place. It only brings about misunderstandings. Say what you want to say and don't beat around the bush.

[claudia-aidualc.livejournal.com]

This so much. I noticed Koreans tend to express themselves in a roundabout way and it's just confusing trying to decipher what is the actual meaning behind all those metaphors and flowery language. Also it doesn't help that things get lost in translation.

[just1ncred1ble.livejournal.com]

My take is he is saying it is easy to tell him to expose everything but if he does, are the same people goading him going to have his back? He did not give up rather he is satisfied that his threat got through and now he can get what he wanted all along without destroying everything for everyone. But of they mess with him he won't hold back.

[in-noctem.livejournal.com]

This seems like a pretty accurate summary of what he's trying to say actually!

[froggster.livejournal.com]

that's pretty on point!

[asth77.livejournal.com]

perhaps it's just about cultural differences. Some poeple don't express the same way as native english speakers on the internet.

[froggster.livejournal.com]

I'm not a native english speaker either though?
but yeah I get that, it's just frustrating when it's a subject that really doesn't benefit from different interpretations

[asth77.livejournal.com]

Yeah.
Idk when I look at random articles on my native language I always feel the way they speak is sooo different from english native speakers. Like they'd never just write one sentence, they need a whole text with nice expressions to get to the point lol

[froggster.livejournal.com]

I see. my country is very straight to the point, so I guess I'm just not used to that way of speaking haha

[kjesta.livejournal.com]

I think it's not that you're not a native speaker, neither am I.

I've just learned while studying Japanese that the more roundabout you talk about something, the more polite it is. Now I don't know Korean much, but from what I've heard they might have a similar approach to politeness, and since this is kind of an "official" announcement to the public, it might make sense for him to use such indirect speech.

It's still frustrating to understand.

[in-noctem.livejournal.com]

Oops my title got cut off :| oh well

[hurtmybones.livejournal.com]

meh don't apologize for spamming op, this needs to be everywhere. ppl will be sad for a day when idols faint or get into accidents but when it comes to helping out in this case most aren't even doing the absolute minimum. I can't help but think if he was from a bigger group/company the reactions would be different

[in-noctem.livejournal.com]

"I can't help but think if he was from a bigger group/company the reactions would be different" YEP

I'm trying to ignore what other fandoms are saying about how Kris or Block B had it worse because it led to lawsuits. I hate that this has turned into a competition of who suffered more and I feel like it takes away from the basis of his whole twitter breakdown.

[hurtmybones.livejournal.com]

ppl are rly trying to turn this into a "who had it worse" situation? jfc idiots. if you have the energy to talk shit like this, the least you can do is tweet the dude some support and spread the word about this situation.

[in-noctem.livejournal.com]

Idk why some people seem to have a problem with others branding him a ~hero for being brave enough to directly call out his CEO just because he wasn't the first one to go against his company. Umm yeah no one is saying he's the first idol to have suffered but idt anyone else has been this public about the shit that goes on behind closed doors. And if we're really going to start comparing who had it worse, the fact that ze:a were physically abused should be enough evidence that they indeed had it worse than other groups.

[kjesta.livejournal.com]

Ugh, screw those people. I'm a BBC, I feel terrible for what the boys went through, but that doesn't mean these two situations are at all comparable. And even if they were, what good is a dick-measuring contest over who suffered more? Does that shit actually help anybody? Come on!

[letoutthewolf.livejournal.com]

did he delete those tweets? i don't see them anymore :( (tbh i'm half tempted to tweet him my number so he knows that we really believe in him and all that jazz but privacy issues...sighs)

also mte at the comment above! i repeatedly tweeted to my tlist to help trend, but no one, apart from one of my close friends and my bf, bothered to actively tweet. what was extremely frustrating was that half my tlist usually retweets pics of animal abuse and starving children and yet they did nothing to help junyoung, even though i repeatedly tweeted that the idols were abused. sometimes i'm really disappointed in humanity :(

i'm glad that they've sort of worked it out for now but i'm really afraid that they're just placating him and that this isn't over yet. their ceo is so manipulative, i'm really worried for junyoung and his loved ones bc it's very possible that the ceo threatened him. sighs i really wish junyoung reads the tweets we've been sending to him, he needs to know that we're all here for him and that we believe in him ;;;;;;;;;

(sorry for the long and rambly comment... i've refrained from commenting on the previous posts bc i was too emotional yesterday but i just want to thank you for the posts op! don't apologise, more people really need to know about this...)

[in-noctem.livejournal.com]

Yeah he keeps going back to delete his tweets safe for a few and I've just been really paranoid about all this and wondering if it's his doing or SE's.

It's so frustrating to not know if our tweets are making a difference. It does seem like he reads them but I just feel like so much more can be done yet at the same time everything feels like it's for naught. Junyoung doubts himself so much so I really want him to know that even international fans are aware of this. It may seem petty and a really small gesture but if fans can help trend birthday hashtags why not this?

and np, I'm glad the constant updates are of some help! :-)

[letoutthewolf.livejournal.com]

mte!! tbh i was sorta annoyed that #HappyChenDay, #KimJongDay and #MAMACITA9thWin were trending for so long and I even tweeted to those tags to ask them to help trend as well but very few people bothered...sigh :(

i wish there was some way we could privately contact him and offer him some words of support (or even a hug!) :( also, it's definitely not a petty or small gesture! i've seen people from other fandoms tweeting that although they don't know ze:a, they're still supporting junyoung, and it's really heartwarming to know that we managed to spread the word, even if only a little bit. :')

i'm just worried that junyoung's going to break eventually, all this pressure on him isn't going to do him any good ;;;;;;;;; i hope he gets some sort of counselling soon, he really needs the encouragement and support :(

[in-noctem.livejournal.com]

It says a lot that I keep seeing the same few people tweet about this when I refresh the Junyoung search on twitter. But it is a great feeling that a lot more people are paying attention to ZE:A and Junyoung and just now realising what SE's idols have gone through. Honestly, Junyoung's such a great guy and one of my favourite people in kpop and it's painful to see him go through this - I wanna give him a hug too ;_;

He seems really close to his family so I kinda wish he'd shut his phone off and hibernate at home for a while where he'll most definitely been surrounded by loved ones. But he definitely needs counselling. It can't be healthy to harbour such strong feelings and endure abuse for years with no one to talk to because his members are in the same mess he is.

[magicpineapple.livejournal.com]

ngl, i have no idea who this guy is or even listened to one of their songs before, BUT however comma i admire his courage to speak up & say something & make change happen. the kpop industry (well, most ent industries) are corrupt & dirty places. to think of the courage it took... i'm definitely on leader-nim's side.

side note, he sounds like he's starting to crack at the edges. i hope he gets SOME sort of mental health help. :(

EDIT:: plz continue to post updates, bc this is more important than "oppa/unnie dyed his/her hair!" i want to keep an eye on this situation, & def don't want to give *llkpoop the hits.

[modernelegance.livejournal.com]

I agree. Please keep us updated about the situation and any activism measures that we can take part in.

[shupagirl-uk.livejournal.com]

By the way, how can we help him and ZE:A?
Does he actually want us to tweet him our name and number, what about privacy issues etc?
I'm kind of confused as who he's talking to, us the fans or people in general?

[in-noctem.livejournal.com]

I honestly don't know :\ idk if international fans tweeting their numbers would help but I've been tweeting him supportive messages every so often throughout the day and god knows if it makes any sense after it's been through google translate. I think he's referring to people in general, he probably knows their fandom is small and that it's gonna take more than just their fans to get them into the portal site rankings. But based on his earlier tweets (before their 'agreement') he basically kept saying he doesn't want this to just be forgotten and wiped off the news so maybe tweeting about it will help.

[kyokomurasaki.livejournal.com]

I feel like having some sort of hashtag campaign would be the smartest thing to do as far as spreading the word and easily showing visible support, but idk what would be the best one to use. #saveze:a ?

[in-noctem.livejournal.com]

Sorry this is late but fans have been trying to trend #standbyzea

[lesherlock.livejournal.com]

There is actually a trick to using translate sites efficiently. It's really time intensive but you open two sites (like bing and google) you have to type things out formally and in simple sentences. Double check in both translators. Sometimes one might differ slightly.

Example:
English: I'm rooting for you. Please continue to hold steady. Fighting!

I send it through both translators and see if they are the same (or very similar). After that I actually translate the translation. If it's mostly the same in both, (like maybe the hold steady part will be "Hold strong" or something) In this case it didn't change at all.

TL;DR: Think like a translation sounds. Be formal. Double check. Fix. Repeat.

It's also helpful if you know some Korean.

[in-noctem.livejournal.com]

Yeah I realized quite late that you have to be really formal for the translators to make any sense of what you're saying and that translating shorter sentences at any one time will produce more accurate translations. Thanks for this! I hope others find it useful too.

[shupagirl-uk.livejournal.com]

Ah I see, thanks for the info.

[chasing-thewind.livejournal.com]

Look, there's clearly a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. For now, all we can do is keep tabs on the situation and support him.

[rennehollic.livejournal.com]

He's my new hero, just saying.

[mspopstar.livejournal.com]

comment on my Twitter with your name and number

Hmmm, I admire your courage bro, but no ty

[cairistiona.livejournal.com]

I'm so glad for all the updates, thank you.

I hope he has a plan.

[hellodee16.livejournal.com]

I just started reading up about all this today. I'm a bit confused but wow wow wow.
Good look to these boys...

[koushiba.livejournal.com]

I thought I understood what was going on but now I'm so confused :x

[nana-the-dwarf.livejournal.com]

Um, I get the username, but why would he ask for numbers?

[seroquels.livejournal.com]

I'm so confused about what is actually going with all this - first he was complaining about their management and wanted a meeting with their CEO. Next I see he had his meeting and had good results...so what's going on now?

Reading through paragraphs that have been translated and seem to dance around the point is not helping shed light on the situation either (for me). I don't think it's fair to blame fans who don't know wtf to do to help with this. I don't use Naver or any of the sites that he would probably want this to show up on...I'm NOT going to publicly tweet my name and phn# (what the what?) so unless someone starts a hashtag campaign, I'm not really sure what ya'll want int'l fans to do? But if someone has some suggestions (besides sending him name/phn#) I'm all ears.

[sub-divided.livejournal.com]

I want to point out again that all of Junyoung's actions in this matter have been rational and strategic.** Even a lot of people who want to see a change in the status quo tend to default-assume that anyone trying to make that change is irrational or unstable or naive or etc etc etc.

**Well, maybe not asking for phone numbers - twitter handles should be enough in case he needs to contact his supporters. I think the point here is just to get a headcount, though, so when he goes back to negotiate with his company he can say "X many fans support me, how many are going to support you?" and increase his leverage that way. Political canvassing works the same way, believe it or not. He should provide an address or PO Box and have fans send in letters if he really wants to show SE how much support he's got.

[fukkthedumbshyt.livejournal.com]

Wait so because the CEO cried and switched the split it's all water under the bridge? I hope this doesn't blow up in the poor boys face.

[lightframes.livejournal.com]

The CEO probably had to concede some power in the deal. But I don't think the CEO has suddenly changed into a good person now.

[fukkthedumbshyt.livejournal.com]

Well I know there's a difference in pay (the group gets 70% and the CEO gets 30%) but IDK I am just very suspicious about this entire thing.

[lightframes.livejournal.com]

No. This is merely a ceasefire.

I don't know if he means this like he's going to try to make more changes in the near future no matter what, or only if the CEO tries to back out of this deal

[evathereal.livejournal.com]

This makes me feel better 'cos he's definitely listening to fans and addressing the concerns people have had about the situation. I just was afraid it was completely dropped & he wouldn't go back to it. Although this doesn't make it clearer, I think he has a plan (I hope!) Also I really really really want to do some sort of hashtag campaign for him and ze:a. I also tweeted him what what Korean I know "응원할게요 = eungweonhalgeyo = I'll support you" and "힘내세요 = himnaeseyo = cheer up/be strong" are good ones.

We just have to trust him, I think, for now.

[dreamer-easy.livejournal.com]

The news updates are appreciated - by all means keep posting 'em.

[undeniablysarah.livejournal.com]

Can someone please summarize what is even going on. I have been lost in this story since the beginning

[in-noctem.livejournal.com]

I'll try my best to summarise it (I'll put the sources in x)

1. Junyoung talks about wanting to leave SE at their fanmeeting back in August and that's when everyone started worrying about the state of the group/company x (http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/14036112.html)
2. After Taehun's MMA debut where he broke his nose, they were forced to go to Japan because SE had scheduled a fanmeeting there - something that didn't seem to sit well with the members or fans. Everyone was on edge since SE wasn't updating about Taehun's condition at all and Junyoung started going on a twitter rant from around that time x (http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/14205781.html?thread=1229848405#t1229848405)
3. Things seemed to have settled down until a few days ago where he had that breakdown on twitter x (http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/14205781.html#comments#comments)

So basically he openly called out SE's CEO on his ill-treatment of them and talks about being mentally and physically abused by him. It's suspected that they were trying to erase this from Korean portal sites so Junyoung pretty much begged that everyone constantly search about this so that people would know what they've been through and told other companies to not poke their noses into it because he has dirt on them too.

The issue was seemingly resolved overnight after a meeting with the CEO but while most people don't buy it and thinks the company is shutting ZE:A up, some have already turned their backs on him and think he's doing this for money.

It's been quiet for almost 20 hours now so I'm not sure what's the latest development on things.

[atopworld.livejournal.com]

I'm still confused. Still worried.