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Video: Korea's biggest boy band performs haka

Korea's most famous pop act appears to have incorporated a choreographed interpretation of the haka into their latest tour.

Fan footage from the EXO's first ever solo-headline concert on the May 23 shows the 11-member Korean-Chinese boy band breaking into a haka-like routine, before launching into their debut single 'Mama'.

The song features a Gregorian chant-inspired chorus.

One member in the crowd at Seoul's Olympic Stadium was 28-year-old English teacher Stephanie Town, from Auckland.

"Tickets were about 100 bucks, and went on sale about a month ago and created one of the biggest ticketing wars I've seen. Fan-girls all over Korea all went out to internet cafes with the fastest internet to bid on the most coveted tickets of the year, which sold out in under two minutes," says Town, who describes herself as a huge EXO fan.

Town says some concertgoers ended paying up to $1000 for good seats to see the group, who formed in Seoul in 2011.

The band performs their music in both Korean and Mandarin, and really hit the big-time with last year's hit 'Growl' .


Town says the moment the haka happened, she was separated from her friends and was surrounded by local Korean fans.


"I am unashamedly a huge fan-girl for these guys and so as the concert began I was screaming and cheering and waving my little silver fan light-stick in the air along with everyone else".

Then the haka happened.

"When I realised this was some version of the haka I was witnessing, I just gasped and covered my mouth in shock. I had no one to talk to about it and so I thought, Thank god for fan-cams, because no one will ever believe me!'"

Where the idea for the haka interpretation came from is unclear, but American Tony Testa choreographs many of EXO's videos. Testa also worked with EXO on this concert, called From EXOPlanet: The Lost Planet.

"The idea didn't come from the band themselves, as their have very little to no creative control themselves as is pretty much the norm here. I'd put my money that it was all Testa," says Town.

"I guess they wanted to an alternative 'exotic' theme for the concert".

Town says her reaction was mixed.

"I felt uncomfortable upon seeing it, because of how meaningful it is. No one likes to see their heritage used for entertainment value like that. Knowing that they didn't personally choose to do it makes me able to forgive it. It's the choreographer who should have known better".

However Town says there are positive things to take from it.

"Maybe I'm being too generous, but it's nice to see people enjoying parts of New Zealand culture internationally, and flattering in some way to see these idols of mine pay a kind of homage to our culture".

EXO are now taking their show on a tour around Asia. One can only assume their choreography will go with them.






'criiinge' as K-pop band performs the Haka">Cultural 'criiinge' as K-pop band performs the Haka

EXO, an 11-member boy band from South Korea, made the cultural misstep when it opened its headline concert in Seoul, prompting a mixed response both online and in New Zealand.

Many online attacks took aim at the band’s choreographer, Tony Testa, who has previously worked with artists such as Britney Spears and Janet Jackson.
He is yet to respond to the comments on Twitter, where he posted the show had been a "success" and a "night to remember".

New Zealand media also carried reports from an Auckland local at the concert, Stephanie Town.
“I felt uncomfortable upon seeing it, because of how meaningful it [the Haka] is,” she told 3news NZ.

“No one likes to see their heritage used for entertainment value like that. Knowing that they didn't personally choose to do it makes me able to forgive it. It's the choreographer who should have known better.”

Despite the shock, the 28-year-old said the experience ultimately left her feeling proud.

"Maybe I'm being too generous, but it's nice to see people enjoying parts of New Zealand culture internationally, and flattering in some way to see these idols of mine pay a kind of homage to our culture," she said.

Others, too, responded positively to the performance.

(you can see tweets at source)





Tony Testa Teaches Exo The “Haka”

In Maori language, the word “haka” simply means “dance;” and while there are several different types of haka, the most well-known are the “war” Haka, or Haka peruperu (from “peru,” which means “anger”). Other Polynesian peoples have their own dances analogous to the Haka, under different names.

The aim of the war Haka are to challenge and intimidate the opponent; men protrude their tongues, widen their eyes, contort their faces and hit their bodies to appear fearsome. At the same time, the dance provides a surge of energy to its performers, strengthening their fortitude. Women and children have also traditionally performed the Haka, with the women even leading the men in the dance; but in modern times, the Haka has become more well-known as a dance performed by men.

As with all cases of colonisation, Maori culture diminished in the wake of the British Empire’s invasion of New Zealand in the 19th century. It wasn’t until the 20th century that the renaissance of Maori culture began in earnest; and the Haka is a key symbol of this resurgence, serving as a reminder to all Maori of their culture and tradition. The Haka is a key part of Maori activism, being performed at protests; it is also treated as an artform, with Haka competitions taking place between schools and other groups throughout the year; and it has been absorbed into New Zealand’s official ceremony as well, with the Haka performed to welcome dignitaries and on important occasions.



The most famous use of the Haka, however, is in sport, especially rugby. New Zealand’s men’s rugby team, the All Blacks, perform the Haka “Ka Mate” before every international match. This is a tradition that began in 1905, and though other Hakas are also performed, “Ka Mate” — created by warrior chief Te Raupuhara as he evaded capture by a rival tribe hidden in a sweet potato pit guarded by his host tribe’s cheiftainess – remains the All Blacks’ calling card, and their performance of it is a highlight of their matches.



The verse chanted by the All Blacks above is identical to the one Exo did at their concert, though SM did have them did throw their group name in there as well, as is their wont. The “genius” behind this performance is none other than Tony Testa, a person who does not appear in any way or form to be Maori to any degree. Like I’m not already pissed off at the man…

It is not necessary to be Maori to perform it — many All Blacks players, past and present, are non-Maori — but the Maori connection always remains intact and never far from people’s minds. Yet Exo’s performance has very little connection to actual Maori culture besides the chant and some of the moves — and this is the key point, because taking something that is an important symbol of a resurgent, but still marginalised, culture and divorcing it from its origin comes across as insensitive.

(Only included stuff about the history etc, rest of post can be read at source)


Exo DO France, 3 News, SBS, Seoulbeats

Saw no one had made a post here and it wasn't talked about in the last exo post, so here we go.

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Date: 2014-05-31 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] benihime99.livejournal.com
I'm still no over the first time I saw the all Blacks perform the Haka, I was just a child and it was on TV but I got chills nonetheless
And not over the fact that I actually met some of them back in Cardiff, they're super friendly and HUUUUGE

Date: 2014-05-31 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sakuragirl24.livejournal.com
Lucky you!!! was it during the 2007 world cup? that legendary 1/4 finall? lol

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Date: 2014-05-31 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vvipforseungri.livejournal.com
I remember seeing the youtube video of the All Blacks performing the Haka a while ago, and it still impresses me and interests me just as much now. I adore seeing other culture's traditional dances (?), I love seeing how passionate the people performing them can be.

It's disappointing that the choreographer (whoever they are) decided to go this way.

Date: 2014-05-31 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moozles.livejournal.com
The Choreographer is Tony Testa.

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Date: 2014-05-31 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunica1990.livejournal.com
Watching the exo video was very uncomfortable. Smh Testa. Has he said anything about this?

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Date: 2014-05-31 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] babyonions.livejournal.com
Concert's theme is pretty fucked up, if you think about it, so messy

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Date: 2014-05-31 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sakuragirl24.livejournal.com
seeing the Blacks perform the Haka is always amazing, means shit's about to go down lol
I'm sure he meant no harm, but that was an ignorant thing to do.
We had a similar problem over here when a (french) rugby player did a photoshoot with tribal Maori tattoos painted on his body and face. People in NZ were very offended and I think even the government reacted to it(?). The answer is always the same, they did it with respect and thought they were showing admiration, but it's not that easy, they forget there's a meaning behind and that it's a country's culture and history they're using.

Date: 2014-05-31 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 4minutesluts.livejournal.com
as a (white) new zealander: oh god dammit don't do this, the all blacks literally have a pass from the Maori iwi (tribes) to let them do it, it's not something a non-Maori can just do because they think it's cool, and especially not a non-new zealander

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Date: 2014-05-31 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iheartmango.livejournal.com
watching that video has made me cringe like no other. the 'haka' they performed is the opposite of everything a haka is suppose to represent, i.e, strength, power, a fierce declaration of challenge. the attempts at maori makes it worst, or at least i think it was maori?

don't get me wrong it's nice to see nz culture and kpop cross paths but this is not the way to do it.

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Date: 2014-05-31 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 4minutesluts.livejournal.com
ugh it's not even a good attempt at a haka, i've seen better shit from under 10s rugby teams

Date: 2014-06-01 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamer-easy.livejournal.com
*falling about laughing*

Date: 2014-05-31 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hitthoselightz.livejournal.com
oop @ me because i didnt even know this existed but its nagl on their part tbh
sm has a history of not caring tho so i bet they wont even do anything to change it smh

i read this post on exochoc and it was very educational

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Date: 2014-05-31 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 4minutesluts.livejournal.com
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i guess exo fans are still the worst, huh

Date: 2014-05-31 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toshi830.livejournal.com
Having followed kpop thus far, I have come to the conclusion that when defending a pretty idol people are just dumb.

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Date: 2014-05-31 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imienazwisko.livejournal.com
here to say op's icon is a pure win
#freejongdae

i did a lot cultural appropriation back when i had no idea that it's not something i'm supposed to do (basically before i joined tumblr) and i feel ashamed ever since. i don't want to get famous anymore cause someone's gonna dig through my myspace and find all this shit.

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Date: 2014-05-31 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hipployta.livejournal.com
I mentioned that I was surprised that no one was talking about the theme of the concert or other shady bits.

At this point I just thought this article was never going to get posted here...good job OP

A hot mess...Testa is NAGL

And I LOVE me some rugby...so many fine men

Kyungsoo would have words for that avi...the battle is between him and Jongdae LOL
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Date: 2014-05-31 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gray-fairy.livejournal.com
It's curious because just a week ago I saw a video of this on my physiology class. It was about a rugby team doing this dance on another player's funeral.

Date: 2014-05-31 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waves-of-light.livejournal.com
Great title, OP. Culture plunder indeed.

I jumped on that rugby bandwagon during the last world cup, mostly for the hot boys in tiny shorts with thick thighs.

Date: 2014-05-31 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] benihime99.livejournal.com
Long live les Dieux du Stades

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Date: 2014-05-31 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boiinks2.livejournal.com
smh I wouldn't be surprised if Tony Testa is one of those choreographers who thinks he's being appreciative/respectful towards a culture when he's really just being appropriative asshat. Not all dances are just dances.

I wonder how SM will respond, if at all. It would be the bare minimum for SM to change that part of the concert and not include its footage on the concert DVD. If YG, one of the biggest offenders for cultural appropriation, could do it with MTBD-Qur'an mess, SM can do it with this. ABSOLUTE BARE MINIMUM.

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Date: 2014-05-31 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yakuniku-8.livejournal.com
considering their 1st song was inspired by Gregorian chants wich are religious...

Date: 2014-05-31 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torontok.livejournal.com
So I think it's important to share this excellent comment [livejournal.com profile] glaciator left on the original EC post (http://exochocolate.livejournal.com/708913.html?page=2) about this.

So I'm not actually a fan of this group (sorry!), but I joined specifically to comment on the haka issues because the thread was in my feed on the main page.

Because: I'm a Maori New Zealander; a law student whose research focuses on cultural appropriation of significant Maori cultural material and IP law; and, most specifically, a descendant of the man who composed Ka Mate, the haka the All Blacks very famously perform (poorly, tbh), and am considered a purist, even among Maori, for the traditional standards I was raised by and expect of others (culturally. This does not mean facial tattoos and grass skirts either, thank you!).

I naturally clicked play on the youtube clip with a lot of apprehension -- but when I saw their actual performance, I surprised myself by how unoffended I was.

For one thing I suppose, the actions they use (only the first couple I would recognise as being Maori-esque) is from, if anywhere, Derek Lardelli's Te Kapa o Pango, a haka he was specifically commissioned to compose for the All Blacks. And this haka's roots are commercial right from the get-go, and it, itself, is basically a rip-off of several older tribal haka.

All of which diminishes the cultural value it inheres to begin with.


Yes the choreographer probably came at this in the wrong spirit overall, but this doesn't offend or distress me in the same way other Maori cultural rip-offs have.

For example this Fiat commercial:


Or the tattoo Rihanna briefly had on her hand last year, before it was covered up.

And no, I am not every Maori person ever so it's not like my opinion is canon for my entire race. But just as a more informed pov maybe?

Okay I'm leaving now :3

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Date: 2014-05-31 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torontok.livejournal.com
The entire theme of this concert was very ugh to me. But I'm from a post-colonial country (Pakistan) so it's something that bothers me on a personal level

Date: 2014-05-31 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] digitalqueen.livejournal.com
i've always hated testa, thank you for giving me reasons.

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Date: 2014-05-31 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unicornios.livejournal.com
I'm unimpressed. The actual Haka just leaves you speechless and makes you get goosebumps. This, eh. Messy from you Testa.
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Date: 2014-05-31 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lolly1588.livejournal.com
oh well here we go again
majority of the people in south korea ,China etc will never realise what ever issue international communities have
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unpopular opinion coming up

Date: 2014-05-31 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kwaiirosesilent.livejournal.com
I recognize that this probably isn't the case, but it was worth considering imo.

Given that the haka is supposed to rally everyones spirits up, and given the situation the boys were recently put in, theres a SMALL chance that this could be genuine (not purely for entertainment). What with all the last minute changes maybe Testa added this in to respond to the situation. If that's the case, I don't see it as cultural appropriation. Its more like those people who learn other ethnic dances because they genuinely appreciate it. Maybe the boys felt the same toward the haka.

Again, this probably isn't the case and it was more just to fit the concert theme, but looking at it individually, its a possibility.

Re: unpopular opinion coming up

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Date: 2014-05-31 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] modestgoddess79.livejournal.com
Cultural appropriation and also plagiarism. As a choreographer should Tony Testa just be copying routines he saw somewhere (probably a rugby match on TV) and using it for profit? I assume SM is paying him for original choreography right?

Date: 2014-05-31 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 4minutesluts.livejournal.com
ehh thats one thing i wouldn't complain about, personally. It's obviously not a direct 1:1 attempt at copying a haka, and you claiming plagiarism for using some of the same moves is like doing it for using the same notes in a song. It is still blatantly culturally appropriative though

Date: 2014-05-31 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adlyeith.livejournal.com
I hope people react to this the way they do when someone from YG goofs.

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Date: 2014-05-31 10:27 pm (UTC)
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Will this shit ever end
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