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The criteria used for judging K-pop girl groups have changed in the last few months, according to experts in the entertainment circle.

They say fans have started to assess group members on talent rather than physical appearance, which had long been the determining factor of their popularity.

This change has called for a revolution in casting and managing new artists, forcing many would-be singers to undertake tough training courses even if they have passed through selective rounds of auditions.


2NE1, for example, a group of four members named CL, Bom, Dara and Minzy, are widely respected for their singing and dancing abilities, according to executive directors at YG Entertainment. Fans say they are attracted to the group not because of their good looks, but because of their professionalism.

“I like them because they don’t try to just gain boys’ attention,” said Julie Yoon, a high school senior and a fan of 2NE1. “They seem like real experts in their field and I think that is why so many people support them.”

Their popularity is not restricted to just girls.

“[2NE1] are not actually my ideal girl group because, you know, they are not really that girlish but I think they are cool,” said Teddy Kim, who is in his early 20s. “They sing well and I like their hip-hop-based music style,”

While 2NE1 now ranks at the top of Internet music sites such as Melon and Bugs Music and recently won first prize on the show “Music Bank” for their new song, “I Don’t Care,” there are voices saying 2NE1 would not have been so successful if they had debuted a few years ago. In the past, girl groups like Fin.K.L, S.E.S. Wonder Girls and Girls’ Generation made it on looks. The entertainment circle predicted back then that the best way to sell records was to lure men by promoting beauty.

“Traditionally, celebrities were all about beauty, about how they looked. Sometimes that surpassed their ability as singers or actors.” said Lee Bang-won, a lecturer on the history of Korean culture at Ewha Womans University. “But things are now changing for the better. People have realized that expertise in a certain field, in this case singing or acting, is apparently more crucial.”

Yang Hyun-suk, the president of YG Entertainment who recruited 2NE1 members, echoed these thoughts in a recent interview with the local press.

“To me, 2NE1 is the most beautiful group in the world,” he said. “Also, in the future, no matter what kind of song they work on, they will focus on perfection and this will not only be the case of 2NE1 but also many other groups that YG hopes to nurture.”


Since looking pretty might not be enough nowadays to make it in the entertainment world, new girl groups that cannot prove they are talented professionals are bound to attract criticism.

For example, some music fans were not impressed when the new group T-ara made its debut on the talk show “Radio Star” last month.

“I don’t see anything different from thousands of girl groups of the past,” said music fan Kim Hae-mi, 23. “They really are pretty but I doubt whether they have good singing skills since they haven’t even made their debut on stage yet,” she said.

Despite the changing trend, the reality is that judging people by their looks is not going to disappear overnight.

“Although it is now common for women to be rated according to their abilities in the entertainment world, the tendency of rating people by their appearances still prevails in the real world,
” said Lee from Ewha Womans University.

“But if this change spreads across the entire society, the number of people who are worrying about their physical aspects is likely to decrease.”

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Date: 2009-08-19 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stopthedisco.livejournal.com
“To me, 2NE1 is the most beautiful group in the world,” he said.

Aww Papa YG♥

Date: 2009-08-19 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsatske.livejournal.com
i aww'd, too &hearts

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Date: 2009-08-19 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoyah.livejournal.com
It might not be the traditional feminine image, but it's still an image.

I agree - something has changed, but it isn't that the idea of image > talent is tossed out entirely. It's just what type of image that's different.
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Date: 2009-08-19 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gabbeeee.livejournal.com
In the past, girl groups like Fin.K.L, S.E.S. Wonder Girls and Girls’ Generation made it on looks.

I hate how theres the slight implication that these girls are talentless. Yes, their looks did have a part in their popularity, but if youre down right crap, looks wont do anything for you.

Date: 2009-08-19 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hellodee16.livejournal.com
I don't think they're really saying those groups have no talent. Obviously they do. But I guess when it comes to 2NE1 - people's initial reactions aren't "omfg they're so pretty *_*".

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Date: 2009-08-19 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] synnesai.livejournal.com
I like them too! =D And Talent should have ALWAYS been the deciding factor in music D|

Date: 2009-08-19 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockthecliche.livejournal.com
i just watched that vid for the first time and minzy KILLED it. oh god i love her sfm.

Date: 2009-08-19 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigerlark.livejournal.com
MTE.
CL did, too. These girls are amazing. :]]

Date: 2009-08-19 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hellodee16.livejournal.com
“Although it is now common for women to be rated according to their abilities in the entertainment world, the tendency of rating people by their appearances still prevails in the real world,” said Lee from Ewha Womans University.

so true.

Date: 2009-08-19 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hellodee16.livejournal.com
btw, they're not saying 2NE1 is like the best group/singers or anything.
they're just saying that people are appreciating them despite the lack of "good looks" they have.
so don't take it the wrong way, thinking they're saying 2NE1 is better than all the other groups. -__-

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Date: 2009-08-19 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] microkiss.livejournal.com
i was thinking the exact way for a while. to be honest, i think that because the girls are not very ~amazing looking~ they HAD to go with a cool, independent look to get them noticed/appreciated. but saying that it's the only reason they're loved? idk. i mean; think about it: if dbsk wasn't as good looking, would they be loved as much? if SNSD wasn't as good looking, would they be loved as much? there are tons of real talent out there but they're not as good looking and so they have a harder time. you can't deny it. if 2pm wasn't as hilarious, would they be loved as much? if big bang wasn't as independent/different, would they be loved as much? it's that way with every group.

if 2ne1 weren't as mature/independent/cool, they definitely wouldn't be loved as much, but if you play that game you've gotta play it with the rest of the competitors.
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Date: 2009-08-19 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miduhyo.livejournal.com
idk i really love 2ne1 a lot, but i think the reason so much emphasis is placed on their talent is because they're not traditionally good-looking (you saw the same thing re: big bang v. dbsk when big bang debuted). musically, i think their style is just different. which is to say, i do think they're incredibly talented, and they're rightfully popular, but it's starting to feel a little bit to me like people had never heard r&b music before and so they were like, "oh wow i didn't know girls could sing like this."
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Date: 2009-08-19 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] microkiss.livejournal.com
lmfao you made me smile/laugh at this:

it's starting to feel a little bit to me like people had never heard r&b music before and so they were like, "oh wow i didn't know girls could sing like this."

hehe
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Date: 2009-08-19 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] microkiss.livejournal.com
THIS is the best comment in here.

Date: 2009-08-19 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kanaala.livejournal.com
lol.. they are making it sound as if 2NE1 are ugly XD~
i don't really get their point.. 2NE1 is just like everyone else.. lol~ they just have a different image..
the thing about not stressing the looks anymore but the talent is just wrong.. cause i'm so damn sure no one would care about them if they were fat old hags (even if they have great talent) =PP

Date: 2009-08-19 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baeraki.livejournal.com
Their popularity is not restricted to just girls.

And that's what I love about them.
I never cared about looks and I never will. They're beautiful to me because they're talented and relatable.

I like other groups too but for a group that isn't that ~gorgeous~, they deliver in other aspects and I respect that.
Keep doing your thing, bbs ♥

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Date: 2009-08-19 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erbalurbal.livejournal.com
I think 2ne1 are doing well because they have an americanized music style that isn't baby cutesy. I don't really think it has anything to do with looks or their talent level. They are just different

Date: 2009-08-19 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filmsession.livejournal.com
it's not like talent wasn't a criteria before. i think 2ne1 was well-received because they were a different kind of girl group, not the usual girly cutesy image that most girl groups have when they debut

Date: 2009-08-19 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] microkiss.livejournal.com
ok guys; it's KOREA. of COURSE they're gunna make a big deal about ~average~ looking girls making it big. average looking boys making it big isn't as noticed anymore because men have it easier and it's been done lots of times before; but GIRLS? that IS a large step for their industry. no one said "omg 2ne1 is the best omg" but they're happy to see people accept them regardless of their natural looks. i mean people keep saying "ugh but it's their image that is selling!" that may be true, but that doesn't hide they're looks! in 2ne1 tv the girls are practically fresh-faced the whole time.

we hear stories from Rain all the time telling people he had a hard time getting into the industry because of his LOOKS, and he's A GUY. why not have 2ne1 be appreciated for it too?

Date: 2009-08-19 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missatira.livejournal.com
“To me, 2NE1 is the most beautiful group in the world,”

that is so unlike him to say. i wonder if he really did say that..but thats really sweet.

im SO GLAD the korean industry has changed from 10 years ago. I remember the baby vox, finkl, ses era where everyone lipsynched and no one had any talent. I seriously think YG is the one who pushed the movement towards more talented people.

and whenever the korean people talk about how 2ne1 isn't the hottest group or its not based on looks, i always think they are mainly talking about minzy and CL (more likely CL). Bom and dara are considered pretty in korea right?
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Date: 2009-08-19 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nudrive.livejournal.com
2NE1 would not have been so successful if they had debuted a few years ago. In the past, girl groups like Fin.K.L, S.E.S. Wonder Girls and Girls’ Generation made it on looks. The entertainment circle predicted back then that the best way to sell records was to lure men by promoting beauty.

Have these people actually SEEN the girls?!

“To me, 2NE1 is the most beautiful group in the world,”

AWHHHHHHHHH

Date: 2009-08-19 07:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toshiya.livejournal.com
let's be honest, 2ne1 are talented, you just need to have eyes to see that, how Minji can dance, Bom's voice is mind blowing, etc but one of the main reasons why they started to be so famous were their looks. Because they weren't cute or like any other female band or so on.

so for me, i really want to give kudos to their stylists because they're managing to give them an original style that's kind of new in korea and obviously started to be copied (yes, i'm looking at you 4minute). no wonder one of them studied in st martins.

Date: 2009-08-19 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hiddlestan.livejournal.com
/burns a hole on hyuna while glaring too hard at 4minute




x:
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Date: 2009-08-19 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hiddlestan.livejournal.com
When Fire came out everyone criticized their wardrobe first,

o____o really?! i didn't know that. i love the Fire outfits more than I Don't Care, the wardrobe for the latter has more femininity and i usually wear more male hip-hop kinda clothes. D:

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Date: 2009-08-19 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hiddlestan.livejournal.com
They say fans have started to assess group members on talent rather than physical appearance

OH GOSH, I FINALLY SEE THE BRIGHT LIGHT SHINING THROUGH FROM THE END OF THE TUNNEL. there IS hope. yay?

/OMG, i thought they interviewed YG's Teddy. missed out on the Kim. and i wondered since when did Teddy Park managed to turn back time o_o

“To me, 2NE1 is the most beautiful group in the world,”
THAT IS SUCH A HEART-WARMING FAMILY MOMENT :'D ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Date: 2009-08-19 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kusucosa.livejournal.com
omg I had a dream with cl last nich omffgg [12368]

Date: 2009-08-19 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rikayla.livejournal.com
Standards will go up even further when/if CSJH makes a comeback.
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Date: 2009-08-19 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akaich0u.livejournal.com
As much as I agree with the sentiment of this article, can I just say how much I miss WG? If ever there was a Korean girl group that had just as much beauty as they did amazing talent, it's Wonder Girls.

I like 2NE1 too, and I think they're very charming, but their performance isn't up to par with WG (yet?).

Date: 2009-08-19 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freezing-flames.livejournal.com
Korean girl group that had just as much beauty as they did amazing talent, it's Wonder Girls.

^ Uh... are you serious? O_O

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Date: 2009-08-19 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sup-homeskillet.livejournal.com
I think there were a couple typos here, so I took the liberty of fixing them:

“To me, 2NE1's money is the most beautiful group thing in the world,” he said.

Date: 2009-08-19 10:14 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2009-08-20 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] extraenchanted.livejournal.com
I love 2NE1, but I just have to disagree with the "widely respected for their singing and dancing abilities" part. Minji, CL, and Bom are pretty good dancers/singers, but Dara isn't, really.

And don't get me wrong, I love Dara, but for me she's just a pretty face in 2NE1. Even if she adds something to the group, plus she had an idol career in the Philippines before, I can't help but see her as the least talented musically among the four of them.

And in fairness to the other girl groups who debuted earlier (SNSD, WG, Kara), they also have talents. Of course they became popular because they're pretty/cute, but to say that they're not talented is not right. Taeyeon, Sunye, Yeeun, and Sunghee (the former Kara member), are really good singers.

Date: 2009-08-22 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-perfect-shade.livejournal.com
this this this
everyone's always raving over dara so i've been afraid to say it, but her dancing is really weak and her voice is too soft onstage. i think the two 'unpretty' members of 2NE1 are most talented, tbh- CL and minzy have amazing stage presence/dancing/performance skills. bom's dancing is not bad, but it's not up to par with CL and minzy. though her voice is so amazing it doesn't really matter.
/rant

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