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The future of idol group DBSK is uncertain. DBSK’s 3 members (Micky YooChun, Xiah Junsu, Youngwoong Jaejoong) and SM’s trouble is too deep. Although they state that there will be no disbandment, in reality, disbandment is more than likely. Even if they avoid the worst case scenario, disbandment, it feels like their departure of SM is set.

On the third, a acquaintance of the 3 members said, “settlement with SM has been tried multiple times. But their differences couldn’t be settled. The reason this went to court is because they couldn’t find a point to settle.” Thus, they concluded that more attempts for negotiations was useless.

The acquaintance that the reporter met is someone who has watched over DBSK very closely. He has experienced all ups and downs since debut until now. According to him, DBSK advocated for only one thing. They wanted conditions of the contract to be eased. However, it has gotten to a point where the conversations between the two parties have gone nowhere.

He stated, “they asked for the contract term and earnings distribution to be revised because everyone could tell it was irrational. They attempted to negotiate until the end but they felt that SM was avoiding them. Therefore, things got emotional for both parties and the 3 members are even more angry with SM’s response.”

“The truth about the 3 things that SM distorted.”

After the initial reports about this incident, SM sent documents on the 1st and the 3rd. On the first, they reported that this problem was due to the makeup company investment and they will work it out. After the contract conditions were reported, they responded that members were paid 11 billion Won and were given foreign cars as presents.

In response to this, he stated, “the nature of this instance is the unfair contract, not the make up company. However, SM has not mentioned the contract conditions and have continued to use make up company issues to play with the media.”

Additionally, he discussed about the 11 billion Won. He said, “let’s say SM is right and that they were paid 11 billion won for the 6 years of work. This is the pre-tax profit. After taxes were paid, and this amount is divided by 6 years, and 5 members, this is less than 200 million won per member. For the first half of this year, the profits from album sales in Japan is 2.5 billion Yen (33 billion won). However, DBSK doesn’t even receive 200 million won per year.”

The total number of albums released in and outside of Korea is 48. Out of these, including singles and full albums, 1.96 million copies were sold in Korea. In Japan for 4 full albums and 27 singles, 8 of those sold over 100,000 copies, and one sold over 250,000 copies. Including south-east Asia, at least 4 million albums were sold.

He also criticized abnormal methods of calculating methods. According to him, “SM requested money for back dancers and food. Basically, almost all of the expenses were paid for by DBSK.” He added, “besides this, SM created a local subsidiary and divided the earnings of DBSK into pieces. For example, SM Japan and Avex divided earnings, and this was also divided with Korean SM. With complex divisions, the money for the members were reduced.

Also, he stated that the foreign cars were given to them under the company’s name. “They received cars from SM after an award ceremony. However, the cars were registered in SM’s name and is not owned by DBSK.”

“The three members are as tired as they can get.”

According to this acquaintance, the three members of DBSK are tired of SM’s play with the press. They have no intention to solve this with mere words, and are extremely upset that SM is exaggerating only one side of the story, distorting the truth. He said, “they expected SM to twist words with the press but didn’t realize it would be to this extent. If SM continues this method, I think it would be nearly impossible to work together with SM again. I suspect that they will part with SM and try to find a different solution to settle this.

Their departure from SM does not bean the disbandment of DBSK. He asserts that there is no problems in relationships between all the members. They are still like family and agree that in any situations, they must work together. He said, “Truthfully, all five had the same intentions. But in the process of negotiations, there was differences between the members. That is why only 3 members decided to fight with their company. They all agree that the contract conditions are irrational, it is just that their way of handling it is different.”

“DBSK will continue even after departure with SM”

Micky YooChun, Xiah Junsu, Youngwoong Jaejoong’s will is stronger than ever. The acquittance reported that, “the 3 members are showing stronger wills than before debut. The three members are determined to stick together no matter what hardships come their way.”

They are also determined to get back together as 5 members under the name DBSK. He revealed, “even if the 3 members leave SM through lawsuit, this only means departure from SM. This does NOT mean the disbandment of DBSK. It may be after the 2 remaining members leave, or if they perform from 2 different companies; the 5 want to continue with DBSK.”

Well then, if 3 members leave SM, would they still be able to use the name ‘DBSK.’ Upon researching in the Industrial Property Office, the group name ‘DBSK’ is not registered. SM registered for DBSK trademark in 2004 but was denied. In other words, SM does NOT have the right to the name ‘DBSK.’

According to a ‘Mansung’ Patent Law Firm Office, the patent attorney Hwang Sung Pil said, “Dong Bang means East and one cannot assert exclusive right to use it. Most likely, this was probably the reason why the application was denied 2004. SM cannot assert any trademark rights to the name. If the 5 members are together even away from SM, they will have no problems using the name.”

More than anything, DBSK feels extremely sorry to their fans. This is why they want to go through with performances that were already scheduled. The acquaintance reported, “if they lose the lawsuit, they may have to pay an extreme amount of money for penalty. More than that, they are going through hard times thinking that they will have to be away from their fans while the lawsuit is in process.”

Source: Sports Seoul
Translations: j.adore @ soompi
SOURCE

ETA

Park Chang Jong lawyer former member of the National Assembly, who previously dealt with big cases such as ‘Minerva’ and Park Yeon Cha case revealed his stance on the controversial DBSK Case. He is the representative of ‘Honest People’ and in a report stated that, “it is clear the contract DBSK signed with SM is a slave contract. He asserted in the case with SM Entertainment’s battle, DBSK’s company’s acts, according to the criminal law, can be considered as fraud against minors. He criticized the 13 year contract and especially stressed that it is a fraud against minors.

According to criminal law article 384, clause 1, "this type of fraud states that taking advantage of the lack of judgment minors or disabled people can have and thus, profits from is punishable for up to 10 years of penal servitude or for up to 20 million wons of penalty.

Following, SM signed a contract with DBSK who were minors, and thus were not in conditions to make informed judgments, and made immense profit.

He added that this case must be taken as a lesson in order to eradicate the slave contracts employed by many entertainment companies. He especially pointed out the injustice parts in DBSK’s contract.

He stated:
-By setting the contract condition for 13 years, when the 5 members of DBSK were minors, SM took into consideration of their life as entertainers, and in result, tied them down for life
-Upon cancellation of contract, required for penalty 2 times the amount of future earnings
-Upon signing of the contract, did not confirm the original contract with the party
-Concerning their earnings, required the album sales to exceed 500,000 copies for the parties to receive 10 million wons the next year

Further, he stated, "the criminal acts by SM can be accused not only by DBSK members but a third party and this must be an opportunity to learn lessons eradicate the slave contracts."

Article Credits: Lee Jae Jun (CBS Politics)
Translation Credits: j.adore @ soompi

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Date: 2009-08-04 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pat-ology.livejournal.com
if they've started it they have to finish..

"the 3 members are showing stronger wills than before debut. The three members are determined to stick together no matter what hardships come their way."
they can't show them only as a 3~!
now it seems like really they don't want to still be 5..
they should write about them as a team of 5 but they only write as a trio.. :/

sure they want to sing still even if they won't be in SM but do you remember what happened with Shinhwa after they left SM?
LSM ordered music stations not to play their music

Date: 2009-08-04 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goku-the-saru.livejournal.com
I think the reason they aren't involving Ho and Min is cause, well, the two don't want to be involved, and so the three are putting all the blame on themselves, to protect the two who didn't want to take legal action.
they're trying to respect the other members wishes, is what I think.
Who knows though.

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Date: 2009-08-04 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edgirl-12.livejournal.com
Damn, this is such a mess. Shame on SM for distorting the truth...tut tut.

Date: 2009-08-04 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] -ochre.livejournal.com
Maybe you can update your post to fit this in?

Original Source (http://www.cbs.co.kr/Nocut/Show.asp?IDX=1222769)
Article Credits: Lee Jae Jun (CBS Politics)
Translation Credits: j.adore @ soompi

Park Chang Jong lawyer former member of the National Assembly, who previously dealt with big cases such as ‘Minerva’ and Park Yeon Cha case revealed his stance on the controversial DBSK Case. He is the representative of ‘Honest People’ and in a report stated that, “it is clear the contract DBSK signed with SM is a slave contract. He asserted in the case with SM Entertainment’s battle, DBSK’s company’s acts, according to the criminal law, can be considered as fraud against minors. He criticized the 13 year contract and especially stressed that it is a fraud against minors.

According to criminal law article 384, clause 1, "this type of fraud states that taking advantage of the lack of judgment minors or disabled people can have and thus, profits from is punishable for up to 10 years of penal servitude or for up to 20 million wons of penalty.

Following, SM signed a contract with DBSK who were minors, and thus were not in conditions to make informed judgments, and made immense profit.

He added that this case must be taken as a lesson in order to eradicate the slave contracts employed by many entertainment companies. He especially pointed out the injustice parts in DBSK’s contract.
He stated:
-By setting the contract condition for 13 years, when the 5 members of DBSK were minors, SM took into consideration of their life as entertainers, and in result, tied them down for life
-Upon cancellation of contract, required for penalty 2 times the amount of future earnings
-Upon signing of the contract, did not confirm the original contract with the party
-Concerning their earnings, required the album sales to exceed 500,000 copies for the parties to receive 10 million wons the next year

Further, he stated, "the criminal acts by SM can be accused not only by DBSK members but a third party and this must be an opportunity to learn lessons eradicate the slave contracts."

Date: 2009-08-04 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joongified.livejournal.com
I'm happy to know that they are determined to stay a group,
but this whole situation is really too confusing & stressful.
I can just imagine then pulling out their hair in frustration. ):

Date: 2009-08-04 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] walnuuut.livejournal.com
Although they state that there will be no disbandment, in reality, disbandment is more than likely.

With so many articles popping out lately everything has become more confusing than ever.
Well, for me.

Date: 2009-08-04 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cakedomination.livejournal.com
It's confusing me a hell lot too.

Date: 2009-08-04 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cakedomination.livejournal.com
o_o so if they do leave SM the other 2 members will be left behind and yet still perform as DBSK?

How's that going to work out? D: SM wouldn't let it happen, would it?
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Date: 2009-08-04 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anathema-switch.livejournal.com
SM does NOT have the right to the name ‘DBSK.’

Really? Whats your source?
Just asking because Shinhwa's Eric had to put down alot of money (with the help of his parents) for Shinhwa to promote with the same name after they left SM.

Date: 2009-08-04 11:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] -ochre.livejournal.com
Who the fuck is this acquaintance? He is just an acquaintance aka nearly a stranger. Also what the fuck. I'm so sick of these fan speculation blah blah blah. Will DBSK disband? Will DBSK leave SM? Will they win SM? Yes, experts say that DBSK is likey to disband. This situation is just like HOT. No, DBSK memebers have said that they will stick together. Is SM lying? Is DBSK telling the truth. How will this affect the boys? LSM is a lying bastard, SM is a slave driver blah blah blah.

GTFO. All these unnecessary news reports and comments are making the situation (both the boys AND SM) look so bad.

(lmao I sound so angry)
Edited Date: 2009-08-04 11:38 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-04 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sathien.livejournal.com
“The three members are as tired as they can get.”

hopes so hard they win this case.

Date: 2009-08-04 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amine87.livejournal.com
um; WHAT?

Date: 2009-08-04 11:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martianqueen.livejournal.com
So much truth/untruth idk what to believe anymore. Both sides make valid and debatable points. And it's only been a day since the official press release. Don't legal tussles take a long time? idk, my brain is fried so I'll just go with my heart which tells me to stand by the boys whatever the outcome.

i loved the hahaha campaign. we all could do with some of that right now.

Date: 2009-08-04 11:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martianqueen.livejournal.com
also, i just had to say:

or if they perform from 2 different companies

like THAT will ever happen. ever. come on.

Date: 2009-08-04 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omgcats.livejournal.com
Yeah, no way. If the three leave, I doubt SM would even let Min or Yunho talk to them.

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Date: 2009-08-04 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hp-groupie.livejournal.com
He revealed, “even if the 3 members leave SM through lawsuit, this only means departure from SM. This does NOT mean the disbandment of DBSK. It may be after the 2 remaining members leave, or if they perform from 2 different companies; the 5 want to continue with DBSK.”

Well then, if 3 members leave SM, would they still be able to use the name ‘DBSK.’ Upon researching in the Industrial Property Office, the group name ‘DBSK’ is not registered. SM registered for DBSK trademark in 2004 but was denied. In other words, SM does NOT have the right to the name ‘DBSK.’ According to a ‘Mansung’ Patent Law Firm Office, the patent attorney Hwang Sung Pil said, “Dong Bang means East and one cannot assert exclusive right to use it. Most likely, this was probably the reason why the application was denied 2004. SM cannot assert any trademark rights to the name. If the 5 members are together even away from SM, they will have no problems using the name.”


Okay...has anyone EVER heard of a band under TWO different companies? Has that happened before?

And if they can still use DBSK, even if the 3 leave SM...won't there be scheduling conflicts?

HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN? BECAUSE I AM SOOOOOOOO CONFUSED.
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Date: 2009-08-04 12:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] -ochre.livejournal.com
ugh ikr. What the fuck is he spewing.

Date: 2009-08-04 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trugeminipnai.livejournal.com
-____- make it stop.

Date: 2009-08-04 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joongified.livejournal.com
ia. why can't it just magically stop?
they should go hypnotize sm then brainwash him or something.

Date: 2009-08-04 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meetbalhed.livejournal.com
Oh boy...I had hope of them not disbanding, now this? Don't get me wrong. I hope the boys win and leave. Because even if they win and stay with SM they are going to hate that company. I'm sure SM will hate them back. :\

Keep the faith! Keep your spirits up boys! The fans love you and would follow to to another company with or without the name DBSK! <3

Date: 2009-08-04 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] graymary.livejournal.com
:| :| :| until i hear stuff from their lawyer i am not listening to anything la la la la

sm is distorting things like crazy... but i agree that this article may just make things ultimately worse for their stance.

Date: 2009-08-04 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meliffic.livejournal.com
Now with these type of articles against LSM...I'm rly batshit scared for SuJu and SHINee...

LSM is a helpless human who can make cry so bad, ngl.

Date: 2009-08-04 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cintamati.livejournal.com
ikr!!

but at least, i dun think suju and shinee is badly exploited. coz if u see their schedule, they do actually have their own time. hosting this and that. emcee~ing shows and stuffs.
but as for money-wise, suju has like 13 (12) members! how much would each of them get if SM is giving them a small amt of money. SHITES MAN!

i hope, they're not in the same situation. if they were, i think they would join in the lawsuit too.
& then LSM have no choice coz both his best groups are threatening him.

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Date: 2009-08-04 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scentofyours.livejournal.com
Give them cars to use, yah under the name of SM, whats the point. And they are so busy, how to drive around? I bet they would rather SLEEP and REST WELL.

ahh fuck this
fuck all news articles
I hate waking up to see Dbsk related news now

MARK THE CONCLUSION ARGH. JUST ONE ARTICLE WILL DO.

Date: 2009-08-04 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mirotic39.livejournal.com
I AGREE.

I'm too lazy and tired to read all of this.

Date: 2009-08-04 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sequinstilettos.livejournal.com
even if jaechunsu win, they're STILL definitely going to leave SM (there's no way they can continue to stay in there)

so that leaves yunho and changmin still with SM.
how many years of contract does yunho and changmin still have left anyway?

it's definitely impossible to actually perform together as a group if dbsk is split into 2 companies. SM wouldn't even allow that.

my guess is, jaechunsu will win this case, they leave SM, dbsk temporarily goes on a hiatus till homin's contract ends (which is like when?)
then they make a huge comeback as a group together in a new company..

Date: 2009-08-04 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scentofyours.livejournal.com
IMO, they don't even need a company, just by the name of DBSK and THEM, they can earn whatever.

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Date: 2009-08-04 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schizofragile.livejournal.com
Wow is this like a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't"? But I feel more sympathetic to the boys lol. Pls join SS501 and form a company after this for eternal happiness and world peace. :/

Date: 2009-08-04 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loveisdesire.livejournal.com
argh T.T Articles need to stop...I just want to know when it ends and what the results are.

I'm not reading anymore confusing articles until this crap is over

Date: 2009-08-04 12:38 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2009-08-04 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marslover13.livejournal.com
Ugh. This has only been going on for a few days and it already feels like eternity.
I'm already imagining another three months of seeing the same news articles saying the same thing in another way over and over.

Please. Kill me now.

Date: 2009-08-04 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sincronia.livejournal.com
I'm with you. :( It pains me, it frustrates me, it baffles me.
I can only hold onto faith and hope for the boys.

;~;

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Date: 2009-08-04 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyh90616.livejournal.com
“The three members are as tired as they can get.”

i hate the way they put it
sounds like Yunho and Changmin are're in the group , and they didn't suffer anything
no matter where the matter will lead to
DBSK is no longer the same to me
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