[identity profile] tothechangmin.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] omonatheydid


It seems like each time a new song is released it is painstakingly ripped apart and challenged as being unoriginal or worse, plagiarized.

Music has been around since long before any of us were around, so it is only natural that as time goes on, there will be some similarities in terms of beats, melodies, or chord progressions.

With the release of their latest mini-album and new single "Badman," the members of B.A.P have been put under the microscope with many claiming that the song resembles Shinhwa's "We Can Get It On."

What's more, an older track, "No Mercy" has been brought back out and is also said to have copied the melody from Shinhwa's "Young Gunz."

Take a listen and decide for yourself.







A few additional points about the controversy.

B.A.P's "Badman" was composed and produced by Kang Jiwon and Kim Kibum. Kang Jiwon also worked with Shinhwa between 2006 and 2009.

Whether the similarities were intentional or not, fans on both sides of the argument, have been very civil (for the most part) and now that concerns have been raised, many are waiting for an official response from both TS Entertainment and the Shinhwa Company regarding the controversy.





(netizen comments in response to this article:)
1. [+189, -5] Voted this up. I'm a BAP fan but I listened to both songs and feel that the melodies are similar enough to not claim that it isn't plagiarism. There seem to be some young fans demanding that the post be taken down, but please ignore them. I heard that Eric self-composed this song and that it's one of Shinhwa's most favorite songs. I understand that Shinhwa's fans have every right to be angry about this. Our fanbase only found out about this now so we have nothing to say but we have sent TS an e-mail requesting for a clarification. We're sorry.

2. [+160, -10] Shinhwa fans shouldn't let them get off this easy. This is ridiculous and should be left to Shinhwa and Shinhwa Company to handle, not the fans.

3. [+139, -2] Makes me more upset because it's the song that Eric chose as his favorite.

4. [+30, -0] I'm more surprised that it's their second time and that both songs are their title tracks.

5. [+24, -1] I just sent TS an e-mail about this. Apologies to Shinhwa Changjo fans for concerning you with this. As a BAP fan, I definitely hear the similarities and recognize the issue as something to apologize for. I hope that the composers don't do this again. I'm mad as well so I can't imagine how much more Shinhwa Changjo fans are angry over this.



Sources: kpopstarz, netizenbuzz, mega silvia@youtube, 도리 곰@youtube



i... don't even know. badman and we can get it on sound ~kinda~ similar, i guess. either way i'm just glad that fans on both sides are remaining civil (for the most part; there's always that bad apple or two).

Date: 2013-08-11 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asnindie.livejournal.com
Someone needs a lesson in what Plagiarism is. Neither song is original, the sound's been done. That goes for all kpop that is mostly a throw back to 90s and 80s.

Date: 2013-08-11 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reelrecnizereel.livejournal.com
I was about to drop in and say the same lmao

Date: 2013-08-11 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sakura-holic.livejournal.com
The We Can Get it On and Badman sound similar due to the way they are singing it but Young Gunz and No Mercy sound nothing alike. That's two different songs completely.
But I am no expert so someone please tell me in what way do the songs have to be similar to be called plagiarised??
Edited Date: 2013-08-11 03:44 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-08-11 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] in-noctem.livejournal.com
I hear it in the first video but not so much the second. I'm surprised but really happy that B.A.P fans aren't living up to their name and actually taking mature steps with this. "Shinhwa fans shouldn't let them get off this easy." lol k

Date: 2013-08-11 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cottonowl.livejournal.com
I'm more surprised at the maturity fans are showing than the similarities in the songs.

Date: 2013-08-11 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chikage-chan.livejournal.com
Huh, the songs dont sound alike at all to me? But kudos to the fans being mature about this!

Date: 2013-08-11 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] candycrush808.livejournal.com
Omg that cat! Hell no kitty!

Grumpy cat

Date: 2013-08-12 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] modestgoddess79.livejournal.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumpy_Cat

she is an internet celebrity

Date: 2013-08-11 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairistiona.livejournal.com
Can you plagiarise a voice melody? I feel a little dumb, but clearly they're similar--but only in the singing line.
Also it's a pretty common melody.

Date: 2013-08-11 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purring-feline.livejournal.com
I dont hear it?

But whatever, props to the fans for handling this well!

Date: 2013-08-11 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sakura-holic.livejournal.com
Can I know whose that in your icon?

Date: 2013-08-11 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purring-feline.livejournal.com
Ofc bb! This is Zhang Yixing, lead dancer and vocalist of Exo-M!

also a doofus
Image (http://imgur.com/wssCUAf)
Edited Date: 2013-08-11 05:08 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-08-11 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sakura-holic.livejournal.com
He's also know as "Lay" isn't he? He's cute^^

Date: 2013-08-11 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purring-feline.livejournal.com
Yes, that's him!

He's very very cute, you have an eye for glorious people I see. (*^ワ^*)

Date: 2013-08-11 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sakura-holic.livejournal.com
Not just me you too! (*・∀・)/\(・∀・*)
I am very picky(?) when comes to choosing biases I am always observing them for a long time before choosing them.
But cuties like the one in your icon always catch my eye (ノ>▽<。)ノ

Date: 2013-08-11 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purring-feline.livejournal.com
Awyisssssssssssss! \O/
Hm I see what you mean, saves you the facepalming later on! I guarantee that Mr.Zhang is perfection though!

Date: 2013-08-11 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sakura-holic.livejournal.com
Hehe I will take your word for it then.
Checking him out now.

Date: 2013-08-11 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purring-feline.livejournal.com
Omg fuck yes, I promise he's worth your time! :D
Can I link you to a pimp post (http://exochocolate.livejournal.com/278796.html) we made for him to get you started?
Edited Date: 2013-08-11 06:07 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-08-11 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sakura-holic.livejournal.com
Oh wow! This helps a lot :D
He's got a gorgeous dimple OoO

Date: 2013-08-11 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purring-feline.livejournal.com
Glad to help you out bb!
Yes he doeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees~
Image (http://imgur.com/kDjyCQJ)

Date: 2013-08-11 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sakura-holic.livejournal.com
Thank you :D
But that gif O____O
Holy Shat! WOW.

Date: 2013-08-11 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purring-feline.livejournal.com
At your service! Feel free to ask me if you need anything!
Image (http://imgur.com/bA61MJH)

Date: 2013-08-12 11:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soramai.livejournal.com
omg, he looks so cute here!
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Date: 2013-08-11 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purring-feline.livejournal.com
Present! :D (A BAP and an EXO stan, I feel rare.)
Good life choices tbh. "dead eyes" omg bb just gets a little lost sometimes!

Date: 2013-08-11 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reelrecnizereel.livejournal.com
The irony is unreal

Date: 2013-08-12 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] modestgoddess79.livejournal.com
how dare you! kpop is totes original

/sarcasm

Date: 2013-08-11 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantaesticbaby.livejournal.com
o0o0o0o0o0o0o0oo00 more drama

Date: 2013-08-11 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soramai.livejournal.com
BAP koreans fans seem to be really nice and mature in the comments!

Date: 2013-08-11 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swhyeon1991.livejournal.com
Kinda hear it in the first vid but the 2nd is reaching tbh.

Date: 2013-08-11 05:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com
I'm usually on board with these plagiarism scandals, but this is a tiny bit of melody in a longer song that mostly doesn't sound the same at all. Even the bit of quoted melody isn't the same all the way through.

Also I don't think immediately apologizing for something that isn't your fault is the mature thing to do! It would be more mature to politely, but firmly, stand up for yourself; or at least think it through before totally giving in to someone else's demands.

Date: 2013-08-11 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soramai.livejournal.com
Well, it's mature for the kpop fandom. Generally fans are crazy when they need to defend "oppa".
Edited Date: 2013-08-11 06:11 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-08-11 06:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sub-divided.livejournal.com
LOL, tis true.

Date: 2013-08-11 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baeby-bloo-skys.livejournal.com
personally i don't hear it - badman and we can get it on have a similar line but even that is not completely the same, and it sounds like a pretty common melody
also, if kang jiwon worked with shinhwa for a while, there is a chance he was "influenced" by it, which could possibly be another thing to consider, seeing as how he and kim kibum did both badman and no mercy
i'm glad both fandoms aren't being rude, and that b.a.p fans are being mature, but idk i don't think there's any reason for them to be apologizing, at least not yet.

Date: 2013-08-11 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nzpnkrckrgrl.livejournal.com
The melody line in no mercy is similar to young gunz, just not the bgm.

No wonder i heard badman and i first thought, sound nothing new. It just the format and sequencing is the same.
We all know Brave Brother music sounds the same regardless which artists.
Verse, chorus, verse chorus or verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus etc.
Edited Date: 2013-08-11 08:00 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-08-11 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jjang-intae.livejournal.com
I heard a slight similarity but to call it plagiarism is a bit much. Pleasantly surprised to see the fans behaving maturely & handling the situation well

Date: 2013-08-12 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miuratenshi.livejournal.com
I listened to both videos, and while the way that both singers sang that part of the song is similar, the melodies are completely different.
Edited Date: 2013-08-12 02:04 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-08-12 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mjspice.livejournal.com
At first I was like, "OOP!" but hearing the songs & looking at the comments makes me thinkg "REACHING".

Date: 2013-08-12 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/___varying/
Badman wishes, tbqh

Lol but seriously the notes used are similar but the melodies are not exactly the same (different rhythms/extra notes, second line ends differently). Then again idk what the requirements for copyright infringement are.

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