The Saga Continues: More on LOEN's "Tyranny" I.E. Their Statement and C-JeS's Rebuttal

[aleash1989.livejournal.com]

130709 Loen States, “The Statement That We Have Nullified Kim Junsu’s Promotions Is False, We’re Still In Discussions With C-JeS”

Loen Entertainment has released an official statement regarding the ‘Unlawful Tyranny Controversy’ brought against them by C-JeS Entertainment.

A representative of Loen stated in a phone conversation with Newsen that, “Regarding Kim Junsu’s showcase, C-JeS and Loen had not yet completed and signed a contract. This problem has arisen in the final stages of discussions between the two parties.”

They continued to add, “Many statements, conditions and requests have been said between the two parties in the discussion process of the contract. C-JeS posted their letter of plea in the middle of such a process, and their statement that Loen  unilaterally notified C-JeS of the nullification of promotional marketing strategies is completely false. A final decision on the contract hadn’t even been made yet.”

They also stated, “Loen and C-JeS will sign a distribution contract. If we had really nullified our promotional marketing strategies as C-JeS claims, information regarding Junsu’s showcase and its related event’s page would have been taken down from Melon’s homepage, but as netizens can see, the page is still open and fully functioning. The list of people who are chosen to attend the showcase will be released on Thursday (July 11th) as planned.”

(omitted, but the full official statement from C-JeS can be found here)

Source: [newsen], Translated & Shared by: dongbangdata.net


130709 Kim Junsu’s Reps Refute Loen, “You Say That We Were Still Only In The Discussion Process?”

Loen’s nullification of promotional marketing strategies for Kim Junsu’s latest album has become a controversy.

Through an official letter of plea on the 9th of July, C-JeS Entertainment stated, “On the 8th of July, six days till the release of XIA (Junsu)’s second solo album, we received a unilateral notification from the album’s distribution company Loen Entertainment.”

According to C-JeS, Loen has cancelled all verbal agreements made in the past two months, and unilaterally notified the agency that they would still distribute the album online and offline, but would nullify all other promotional marketing strategies. The crux of the controversy is the broadcast of the singer’s showcase, which is set to be attended by Melon users, on MelonTV. Loen is said to have notified C-JeS that the event would be broadcasted live on LoenTV, but would be impossible to disclose on Melon.

To Newsen, Loen made a clarification and stated, “Regarding Kim Junsu’s showcase, C-JeS and Loen had not yet completed and signed a contract. This problem has arisen in the final stages of discussions between the two parties.”

They continued to reveal, “Many statements conditions and requests have been said between the two parties in the discussion process of the contract. C-JeS poster their letter of plea in the middle so such a process, and their statement that Loen unilaterally notified C-JeS of the nullification of promotional marketing strategies is completely false. A final decision on the contract hadn’t even been made yet.”

Regarding this, a representative of C-JeS Entertainment refuted, “After receiving a sudden notification on the 8th, six days before the showcase, we sent Loen an official statement outlining our stance. We clearly stated that we would release a letter of plea to the public if Loen did not give us a reply. However, we were met with silence. Loen’s representatives keep saying that we were still in the discussion process and had yet to sign a contract, but they had already taken reservations for the album and had already begun receiving applicants for their showcase event. If we had not come to a decision, then wouldn’t it have been right to wait till we had before they went through these processes?”

Regarding the problematic showcase controversy, Loen stated, “If we had really nullified our promotional marketing strategies as C-JeS claims, information regarding Junsu’s showcase and its related event’s page would have been taken down from Melon’s homepage, but as netizens can see, the page is still open and fully functioning. The list of people who are chosen to attend the showcase will be released on Thursday (July 11th) as planned.”

However, Kim Junsu’s representatives stated, “Kim Junsu has a packed schedule planned, which includes going overseas to film a CF, as well as a concert in Thailand. However, the reason why we decided to hold this showcase was to introduce Kim Junsu’s music to the public. We prepared this free-of-charge showcase because we wanted to show Kim Junsu’s performance to the public through MelonTV because broadcasted activities are difficult for us.”

They also added, “This is a showcase our agency is paying for, but if it cannot be aired on MelonTV, there is no reason for the showcase to only be open to Melon users. We have requested a reply to this from Loen by tonight (July 9th). If this problem is not resolved by then, our agency will take the initiative to invite fans ourselves, and it would only be right for the Melon users event to be cancelled.”

Source: [newsen], Translated & Shared by: dongbangdata.net

I'm not sure what to believe at this point, but I want to think C-JeS was playing hard ball with LOEN the whole time knowing that something negative sould happen with their threat of releasing a statement if they didn't hear back from LOEN.
From the comments in the previous post, verbal contracts are very common in Korea and Japan and have high value, so for LOEN to say something about a signed contract, it doesn't make sense. This will have to be taken to the courts; I just hope the rulling is fair.

Comments

[eishastan.livejournal.com]

So Loen is basically saying that C-jes are lying? and considering that C-jes seems to be more of a law firm than an entertainment company i don't know what to think, i mean they have sued everyone over everything.

[ashiva.livejournal.com]

If they admitted what C-JeS said was true they would be basically admitting of having violated contract law, so their pretty much only option was to react this way.

[laeryn.livejournal.com]

This and the other post are so long. Would anyone want to give me a tl;dr version of what's going on? Besides this being a normal day in JYJland.

[baboboy.livejournal.com]

LOEN promised they would promote junsu's album but yesterday they sent c-jes a message saying they're not going to promote it.

C-jes is upset because they promised they would and because LOEN came up with the idea of the showcase and the 11 AM video but now that LOEN said they're not going to stream the showcase in melon tv they're upset and they sent LOEN a letter saying that if it's not going to be in melon tv they're going to pretty much cancel the event and invite fans and stream the showcase on their youtube channel

LOEN said the promotion of the album wasn't part of the contract, C-jes says it was and that they have emails to prove it etc etc junsu can't catch a break

Re: WAAAEEEEE

[twinedays.livejournal.com]

same sentiments. /sigh

[mlmello.livejournal.com]

for what i know, emails can be seem as agreements in a business discussion.
it seems, to me, that loen agreed with a lot of things not knowing if they could handle with. and when they realized that it was going to be difficult, they are backing out in these things, using the fact that they didn't sign a contract as excuse.

it seems that jyj will never be in peace while promoting anything related to music. it's really sad and must be so tiring for them. if they could promote as every other artist in korea, i'm sure that they won't have any problem with loen or their distribution...

[katzsong.livejournal.com]

10 years from now, this whole JYJ-SME (or any other cockblocking stuffs for JYJ) thing should be turned into a drama/movie/musical.
Produced and starred by JYJ.

On Broadway.


Too soon? How about 25 then?

:P

[ashiva.livejournal.com]

LOL Loen I see you trying to save your skin by claiming not having unilaterally announced nullification of promotional marketing strategies and trying to not to lose your face in front of your customers who applied to showcase. Anyhow, I hope C-JeS has records of everything so that you can be skinned in the court.

[angela-derp-otp.livejournal.com]

MTE.

People is always making fun of CJES or criticizing them because they always resort to lawsuits, but that's the only way they can proof they are being wronged and that in the music industry no one is doing anything about it. Even if things stay the same, at least they are leaving a precedent.

[theharleyquinn.livejournal.com]

I really love how much control C-JeS has given JYJ in all of their creative efforts but they really need to amp it up in all of these business dealings. Granted, it's probably difficult to play hardball with companies that have so much weight to throw around, but all of this isn't helping much. Poor Junsu.

[nyx06.livejournal.com]

I expected a response like this. The K-entertainment politics never fail to entertain me. lol

Let see how this plays out.

[footballfina.livejournal.com]

Just because verbal agreements hold more weight is Korea doesn't make them legally binding. CJeS should know this and TBH Loen wouldn't necessarily do something that could put them in a shit ton of legal trouble for no apparent reason. Reading these statements makes me feel that CJeS feels fucked over (any they kinda were) but it doesn't feel like Loen broke the law. I just wish CJeS would stay out of the courtroom for awhile because it detracts from their artists (I mean this controversy is already getting more press than Junsu's actual material which PISSES ME THE FUCK OFF AT BOTH PARTIES)

[angela-derp-otp.livejournal.com]

Verbal agreements are legally binding. You just need proof to back them up in court and they are as good as a signed contract.

[sadistic-dance.livejournal.com]

C-jes act vaguely threatening a lot. They're like mobsters or something.

[imienazwisko.livejournal.com]

well, c-jes boss is a (former?) mobster.

[baboboy.livejournal.com]

tbh I just feel bad for junsu, a small cameo in a drama and the documentary thing are his big TV appearances in 5 years, then the one time they invite him to perform at an event and he ends up waiting hours in a tent only to sing in a dark and cold stage. And now when it looks like things are starting to get better this happens..... Can you all stop fucking with junsu's activities and let him be pls

[weerainbow.livejournal.com]

The way he keeps on going and giving his all is amazing in the light of all this. I hope he's doing ok and finding support and strength to continue to fight and overcome the crazy obstacles that keep coming.

[devilsatin.livejournal.com]

the only time i ever hear of these JYJ people is when they're in a legal battle! they need to get it together

[eishastan.livejournal.com]

THIS!

[suntae.livejournal.com]

whatever. i'm so sick of all of this & i don't even care anymore. the real victim here is junsu and i just feel so awful for him that all of this is taking away from his album release when he's worked so hard on it.

[weerainbow.livejournal.com]

Noooooo :( What a mess. This can't be happening AGAIN. Can't we just all wake up and find that it's a horrible dream??

[angela-derp-otp.livejournal.com]

lol of course LOEN would give that answer.

And why are they even playing dumb, they took down the website for the showcase, and anything Junsu related from Melon, just to put it up back up a couple of hours and then taking it down again, and then back on again. lol.

[furcalor.livejournal.com]

It makes me wonder what's going on internally in LOEN.

[footballfina.livejournal.com]

Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner

Junsu (hell all of them) deserve better than that company, who seem to be great at suing people and not much else (even when totally justified)

[michababy.livejournal.com]

I just ranted about this on my Twitter. I'm with all the people that are side-eyeing C-Jes. Did they try hard enough to solve this problem behind closed doors before taking it to the media? Since when has media play ever solved anything? The way that they're headed right now is souring the relationship between the two parties, so what happens if Loen decides to pull the plug completely? Really, a lot more thought should have been put into this, C-Jes. Every time a company sees JYJ in the news for a lawsuit they're saying "Yeah, I'm definitely not investing anything in them. Who has energy to waste on a lawsuit that may not have been necessary?" You think anyone is going to want to take on that much risk? It's seriously hurting JYJ.

Sorry if this didn't make a lot of sense, I'm typing this with my eyes half closed...so tireed

[furcalor.livejournal.com]

People keep pointing their fingers at LOEN or C-JeS but the fact is the k-pop music industry in general just plain sucks. It seems like such a toxic environment. There are no "good" companies. Most of the companies seem totally corrupted and just trying to earn a quick buck. Love of music is definitely not one of the driving forces in k-pop that's for sure.

[asnindie.livejournal.com]

If LOEN is backing out I hope they sue, too many companies get away with not fulfilling their obligations. Take them all to court I say.

[khuntflap.livejournal.com]

Hate to say it, but on the day that they're allowed to do anything even remotely normal for an idol band/solo act, a chain reaction that leads to the end of the world will take place. That or pigs will not only fly, they'll become the largest airline in the world. Cause god forbid any company keeps their agreement with them, and/or CJeS backs the hell off and stops acting like the legal pitbull that they constantly do. It's ridiculous, and yet I really don't see things changing any time soon; the powers that be in the industry have way more sway than the actual idols do.

It's all about greed and money, not morals or logic. Not to mention that CJeS is not helping the situation by constantly alienating companies that are willing to work with JYJ despite the ripples it causes; their trigger happy lawsuit attitude is going to continually shoot JYJ in the collective foot. Whether LEON is in the wrong or not, it's bad press to jump the gun like that. Both parties need to be smacked upside the head, and the music industry needs to make strides to change. Worldwide, not just in Korea. It's all a corrupt mess. But again, in all seriousness, the chances of that kind of change coming any time soon in any industry internationally is slim to none.

Money talks, with no language barrier.

Fail rightoutofbed!comment was too fail, had to edit.

[chloe1910.livejournal.com]

I agree with you that "CJeS is not helping the situation by constantly alienating companies that are willing to work with JYJ despite the ripples it causes; their trigger happy lawsuit attitude is going to continually shoot JYJ in the collective foot"

Even if LOEN is in the wrong, it's really not the political correct way to go to public with regards to their problem like this. Perhaps, it's CJES's way to force LOEN to respond but they should have try to re-negotiate everything behind close door. If this persist, they are only going to scare off future partners that might be interested to work with JYJ.

Though I must admit, if LOEN really intended to nullify the promotional activities, going public to gain public pity and support might be the only way (though not the political correct way) to push LOEN to keep to their original word and not screw them over?

[hipployta.livejournal.com]

Weren't we all saying Junsu's teasers on Loen were too good to be true and that Loen would back out?

I'm not even surprised and since k-entertainment is so shady I have no problem with CJes' policy of suing people that try to screw them over.

[halfdressedliar.livejournal.com]

I thought it said unlawful tranny controversy, and got so weirded out.

[shintotchi.livejournal.com]

LOL

[prettyminstrel.livejournal.com]

i'm just so done with all these shits. my bb don't deserve this.

[chewmi.livejournal.com]

bs all of this music industry. One day i hope they make their own company

[jae-bias-bitch.livejournal.com]

wow i feel like everything is so fucked up for JYJ
imo LOEN is nice enough for willing to promote junsu's album but..idk

[soft-daisy.livejournal.com]

no, the idea is that they just backed out and aren't promoting junsu's album physically and digitally. they're only going to distribute it and gain from the profits of what junsu is able to sell.