Were BtoB members too kind for sasaengs?

[imienazwisko.livejournal.com]

Seems like BtoB is going through lot of shit for a week now.

Basically what happend is some sasaeng created a fake Changsub twitter account, he clarified it's not him. After that person started harassing people (including BtoB members and people who run fansites) and posting stuff like phone numbers or dorm pics.
When Ilhoon, Peniel and Minhyuk created their personal twitters recently, they got scolded by Cube because possibly their action motivated (?) that impersonator. Their personal twitter accounts are now all deleted.
Some fansites are closed now.
BtoB as whole were accused of being too kind to sasaengs...

Tbh no one really knows what's going on.

Cubicbeatz explanation
[FAQ #1] What exactly is going on with BTOB? Explain!
A: To be honest, the situation is still not resolved within Korea and K-Melodies as well as International-Melodies are just as confused and lost.

What you are about to read is a compilation of things from what we have seen.
Please read at your own discretion.

To summarize things, this has been going on for about a week or so.
As you may already know, several major fan-sites have closed, including The Triple. Around a week ago, The Triple posted a serious of long tweets regarding someone who has been attacking her and spreading rumors about her. (You can find these captures on the fan cafe and through various sites.) She has proof of all of these conversations of harassment and they are said to be from BTOB's sasaeng fans.

It is said that most of BTOB's sasaeng fans are masters/owners of major BTOB fan-sites, such as Desert Fox, Starry Moment, Twenty7, 365 days, LeeMinhyuk Lady, etc. As a result, the fan-sites that were not run by sasaengs have closed down due to harassment and constant bothering.

K-Melodies do not know how to deal with this situation as well because these sasaengs are also close with the BTOB members personally for them to call them by name. It is also said that the same people are always at the front row during music programs, concerts, and/or performances.

These fan-sites have also been writing their own story on the situation as well, so please make sure to look at their sides as well.

Another thing that has also branched off from this was a fake Changsub twitter that spread out, which just added even more confusion to fans and brought the International Melodies into this situation.

We ask all Melodies to keep their composure and not to attack/harass anyone as this is only one side of the story. As of right now, we see both parties at fault and although they are/were at fault, this could all be a misunderstanding as well.

We'll continue to shed light on this situation as more clears up, but please remember that we are only doing our best to keep everyone informed instead of covering this situation up.

Regardless of the situation, we, Cubicbeatz, will always be here supporting BTOB each step of the way.


[FAQ #2] Are the boys receiving criticism for being kind/good to sasaengs?
A: Yes. They are receiving criticism for being too good/kind. Some Melodies are saying that it is because they are rookies but, K-Melodies are trying to tell BTOB through the fan-cafe that this is partly their fault and to avoid these situations in the future.


[FAQ #3] So what exactly is a sasaeng fan?
A: A sasaeng fan is an extreme fan who stalk their idols and invade their privacy.

We're not saying that if a member knows you by name or if you sit in front row of a music program that you're automatically a sasaeng fan.
source: cubicbeatz 1, 2, 3

Which fansites are now closed?
A lot of BTOB fansites closed down today (or have closed down a while ago). So far around 15? Including:
Minhyuk: TheTriple, HUTA BABY, Minhyuk’s Lady (이민혁의 레이디), Besisboy
Hyunsik: SIK TAM
Sungjae: Starry Moment, Lovefile, SIXTAR, Ahyun (Yook Sungjaeholic)
some were estabilished long ago and were with the boys right from the start...

source: fuckyeahleeminhyuk


Minhyuk two fancafe posts & whisper

To all the Melodies
I am writing this post after watching for a long time.

I intended to take the opportunity from this incident to settle everything once and for all through a post.
However I was afraid to write it as I was afraid the situation would get worse.

However I am going to throw away my usual style and get straight to the point.
(As the representative, I will be letting you the conclusion of the many conversations and meetings that have taken place with all the members.)

Firstly, the staffs who operate the official fancafe, although we know that it is going to be hard for you but no matter what post has been posted(Posts that harms the members, discarding posts that do not fit the criteria) for the time being we hope that you will not discard these posts. Please do us a favour..!

Um… I’m starting from the first issue….ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

Of course, I know that not everyone is like this but….
Didn’t this incident start for a good reason as all of you wanted to protect us??????
We all know very well that the actions taken were all thinking for the sake of BTOB, and with a worried heart.

However right now the original intention has faded and it hurts my heart. Everyone’s opinions and the thoughts that you have put in for us are so precious, and we feel so grateful and at the same time a large portion of us feel that this is the right thing to do as well.
However as time passed, everyone gets increasingly agitated, causing BTOB to be labeled as sasaeng-idols. Knowing about it alone feels very scary.
Although we have taken into account the entire process and can fully understand everyone’s concerns
… however this is still an upsetting matter to us.

The word that pissed me off the most is ‘outcast’… what evidence do you have to say something like this?

As I may be still under the influence of my anger, and in case some of you might misunderstand, let me say this again.
The origin of this issue, why everyone is unhappy, this is something we all know.
With the genuine and passionate thought of wanting to protect BTOB as well as the feeling of righteousness as a starting point, however the fancafe did not manage to give everyone an acceptable answer and thus caused enragement, this is something we all know. In addition the issue of sasaengs appeared amongst all the issues, making use of twitter to cause the situation to snowball into a bigger issue, this is something we all know too.
At this point I shall not explain through an essay, in short, we know and understand what is happening currently and this is why we are more upset than anyone at this point of time.

Everyone… do you all really believe that we will really outcast fans?
Does everyone also feel that we give special treatments to any fans?
However such a proof surfaced…are those proof really able to determine the truth of this matter?
Taking the limited information/testimonials as everything, treating them as though they are the eventual truth seems like the right direction for the issue to develop.
Isnt that a really scary occurring?

You’re right.. our attitude towards the issues are flawed.
However in that situation… cant everyone understand us with no strings attached?

Under situations where we are left with no options, artistes have to willingly accept some things, have everyone never thought that way?
In the misunderstanding of us outcasting fans, how awkward would the artistes’actions be.
Everytime we face such difficulty, we would start to think about where we should be drawing a clear line..
Everyone should be able to understand us right..

It would cause a lot of inconvenience when we interact with fans.
However as what everyone has thought, we have received a lot of pain from this.
When the feeling of the situation getting worse appeared, and have received harm from the issue we should have resolved the issue immediately.

Therefore we are also not fools who don’t know when to be ruthless..
In that case, what happiness are we talking about??? What outcasting are we talking about????? It’s really heart breaking…..

The scariest thing of all would definitely be the spread of malicious rumours…
Don’t know whose standard was used (for both and objective view and dubious view) to spread the collected evidence… and it gets spread to everyone around…
We also felt very shocked and surprised that there were people who felt that we were 2 faced.
However amongst all these, if there is anyone who is being wronged.. It does not matter who is the one complaining but where can they direct their mistreatment.. be it BTOB, the respective company representatives or all our fans.

Magnanimity would be given even to a sinner in times of need. But are we guilty?
Arent everyone behaving like people who lost their magnanimity and is only left with their cold logical thoughts? No, right now as compared to being logical, it should be that everyone has allowed their emotions to take over their thoughts isn’t it?
Everyone has become a judge, a prosecutor who have create the kind of atmosphere whereby you want to chase people out for a fight..

I would like to strongly emphasize this once again.. we are very clear that this incident is caused by someone deliberately.
Now there should be no misunderstanding about us siding any Melody right?

Hu.. Let me catch my breath before continuing..

We are able to understand everyone’s feeling more than anyone else. Do you do such a thing because you are bored?

Is it because you are frustrated that you are screaming and shouting so loudly?
This won’t do… why not let us take this chance to remove the addiction, how much courage must everyone have gathered in order to write everything out?
As you have experienced the pain of your posts being deleted and getting demoted…ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

I’m sorry for not saying all these earlier…
I’m sorry for not giving everyone a reply…
I’m sorry for getting angry although I know that everyone is feeling stressed…ㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠㅠ

However………………this won’t do.
We are all not kids anymore. Even if we did not consider many things well, even if we do know understand the situation.
Which artiste is willing to see their fans leave? Did you really think that we are bystanders because we do not know what is happening?

After deep thoughts, we have come up with a way to solve the issue.
When a wound appears, don’t we always try out best to heal it so as not to let it leave a scar behind? So the best thing to do now is not leave any scar behind!
With this we will be more amicable in finding out a more perfect way to solve this.

Our dear Melodies!! I am requesting all of you once again!! Everyone’s thoughts.. and reprimanding.. we will fully accept them.
From this we have also learnt how we should do in such situations in order to get better results.
So please refrain the situation from snowballing anymore!
Right now it is no longer just because we want to resolve the issue, but also so that the fans can stop being so tired.
From now on, we will show everyone a more mature BTOB.
Like everyone’s original intention, we ask of everyone for the sake of BTOB’s future.
Using this issue as an agreement, we will let everyone see a more mature side of BTOB.

We have always, at all times, whenever we start feeling tired, we think about how we can stand infront of everyone, how we can stand on stage once again and we will smile at the thought naturally.
We are 7 people who have gathered because we all love music a lot.
We will work towards producing better songs, more charismatic stages, a more perfect appearance.. We will unconditionally let everyone see a more charming us.
Please believe in BTOB and CUBE, please anticipate our comeback.
We believe that in the near future, we will work together to bring better music to everyone.
I swear to everyone here. We are really working very hard to produce our album, do please wait a little.. just wait a little more for us..^^

To be honest.. it’s not anger, it’s sadness..
And we sincerely want to thank all the fans who have given us help.
Perhaps this incident will become a very precious agreement to us and will also a precious lesson we learnt painfully.
(Should this post cause everyone to feel depressed.. please reply and give comments! TT TT)

And I shall confess to everyone once again after a long time

“ My beloved Melody! I have always been very thankful to all of you. Everyone will continue to wait for us right?”
(Everyone from BTOB)


Because Of My Clumsy Words
I guess we did not accurately convey our thoughts.

We originally intended to clear up unnecessary misunderstandings about us but inadvertently created more controversies.
We have heard many comments about how we should have directly identified the person at fault instead of being vague about the issue.

To make things clearer, we will address the people involved right from the start, those who are at the centre of the issue. (The person involved should be very clear about who we are referring to, right?)
We hope you won’t come anymore in the future.

Even if you appear we won’t respond at all.
Like they say, a rotten apple injures its neighbors. We do not wish to see, and can no longer stand a small minority causing hurt and frustration to most of our fans.

So to those who are worrying about whether any side will have gotten the upper hand in the end, we believe this is an unfounded concern.

As we have already stated, we are not trying to avoid the issue.
We wish to take over this burden that is weighing our fans down.
Melodies are without a doubt our responsibility.

BTOB members will be holding more meetings to get back to you as soon as we can.
We sincerely hope that all misunderstandings will be resolved and there will be no more resentment.


Whisper
Most of the heartfelt criticisms and comments were received preciously one by one. Though my written expression carry some sadness, don’t misunderstand and please wait for some substantial change to happen. BTOB Melody be blessed!
source: fancafe, translated by btobtweets 1, 2, BTOBArea @weibo; translated by Xinying @fyeahbtob

Eunkwang's fancafe post

Everyone!

(BTOB members as a whole)

From the very foremost, we would like to bow and say sorry to those who have been hurt because of us BTOB up till now.

We would like to solve and heal the wounds, even if a little, of those who are frustrated against BTOB. Therefore we have decided to write this post at last. We will speak of this in a really honest manner, we’ve put down our shells.

‘Sasaeng Fans’ whom everyone are talking about.

As much as I’ve lived, the concept of ‘Sasaeng fans’ in my opinion? – ‘Fans who knows celebrity’s official and unofficial schedule, invades privacy such as staying in front of the dorm, digging personal lives, and even till getting to know every movements of the celebrity’, that’s how I understand them.

Since before, there were many medias talking about them invading celebrity’s privacy in front of the dorm or house, invading personal lives and this has become a problem to our society. Therefore, prior to our debut till today, we felt that we have to cope with ‘Sasaeng fans’.

While walking to the dorm, a taxi was following us until our dorms, I had personally confronted their actions, and even talked to our managers about these fans who knew of our unofficial schedules and had taken the taxis.

This was how we handled ‘Sasaeng fans’.

But this is the problem!!!!

Those who are not involve in our unofficial schedules, waiting at dorms or our personal lives, those who have waited in front of our company, we believed that they came with love and to support us, and so we treat them with an always grateful heart. Moreover, our Cube has a special space called ‘Cube Cafe’, so we treat everyone who came to the company with the same gratefulness.

But in the end, it brought out terms such as ‘Sasaeng fans favoritism’, and the more serious ones such as ‘dating with sasaeng fans’, till to the very ultimate ‘Sasaeng-dols’… We actually thought that we dealt ‘Sasaeng fans’ in a good manner. So, we really thought that this will stop very soon.

Well!! First and foremost, through this incident, those few among the many that knew a lot about (our movements), staying in front of our company, often coming to our schedules, have causes damages and wounds to many other more Melodies. Till now, we don’t think that those who caused damages are ‘Sasaeng fans’ (Like we’ve previously mentioned, as long as you don’t interfere with our personal lives… and of course, those who never wanted to hurt others) we will treat every Melodies the same.

This is perhaps the largest problem.

But now we understand! These few people who hurt others might be those that many referred as ‘Sasaeng fans’!

But here, we would like to clearly point out that, this incident is not about a problem on ‘Sasaeng fans’. It’s just Melodies causing wounds and damages to other Melodies, those people who caused such mess, is the problem!!

In particular!!! Some fans who went to our music broadcast and recordings had some interactions with the staffs, came to the company and wrote a whole list of things about us, and unduly entering (the company) and requests for us to send them their names and pictures, and to the extent where they threaten for pictures and personal information… these things seem to have hurt many Melodies. If all these are the truth… I will really be skyrocket upset from head till toes………….

Similarly, those who love and support BTOB and entered the building, we will have to stop them too right? We feel that there shouldn’t be any differences. Not at all.

Things that were uploaded online till yet, it’s hard to tell which are the confirmed truths, but there might be some which are true, and we will definitely try our best to look into the matter!!!

Well!! This is the conclusion.

All those I’ve mentioned, all those implied situations, we would like to say that everyone’s so-called ‘Sasaeng fans’ are just merely those who caused hurt and wounds to others!! And someone who group-called these people as such and causing mess, do you want to be like them!?!? We BTOB and the company too, will certainly respond to this. Such as, fans who had participated in the broadcast and had entered unauthorized with a list, we will definitely stop them. If it appears to be a fact that they interacted with our staffs, then we will step forward and replace these staffs. But all these are not things that BTOB can do immediately. It’s a matter that the company should handle, and it takes time. So please trust us, and if you really wait for it, we will clear the matter to the clearest.

We promise!

Regarding this matter, we BTOB and company, managers really felt it and learned from it. At first, we thought of staying idle so please forgive us for not taking any measures about it.We would like to drop our heads and deliver our apologies.

Ah and also, to those who I’ve mentioned as ‘Sasaeng fans’ that have caused distress to others should have their titles changed because, in this incident, it started out as ‘Somebody hurting the other’ but have somehow turned to something big like ‘sasaeng fans’ issue. I won’t say who’s at fault, but those few who supported and came to the company to see us, and those fansites who were wrongfully bashed as ‘Sasaeng fans’. There were some among them who are indeed Melodies who have done nothing wrong. Therefore, please use ‘Sasaeng fans’ meticulously. Those fansite operators must have felt really sad and frustrated…..

To those Melodies who did nothing wrong, since we BTOB did not do anything from the start, we would like to express our apologies…! Hope that Melodies will feel better…^^!!

Lastly!!!! Compared to anything else, we dream of a family-like BTOB and Melody.

Wherever we go, regardless of the number of fans, as long as BTOB and Melodies are together, we have dreams to grow as happy singers and fandom.

So, this incident that have divided the fandom has torn our hearts even further.

But through this incident, we felt that BTOB and Melody have become even deeper, maturer and more united.

Therefore, all of us should overcome this difficult situation and stand up, BTOB and Melodies! Through this growth, we will work hard for better laughing days!!!!

Thank you for always be by our side…

As much as the sky, and as much as the land, as much as the universe, from our heart, I love you Melodies.. ♥
source: fancafe, translated by loveindacube

Sungjae's fancafe post

Melody… We are on your side, so have strength!

That’s right ㅠㅠ That’s what maknae Sungjae wants

for the official cafe’s atmosphere (to be better) ㅠㅠ!!!

It’s a good thing that this issue has been resolved early.

Because the two oldest hyungs are here, really

I felt like they’re dependable ㅎㅎ

We hope that fans won’t receive hurt after this incident, but

saying that you didn’t receive any, is a lie…..

It’s only a wee bit sad..? (Just till the extent that your nose feels sour)

But the pain I’ve received, is like Sungjae style, I don’t think that it’s a very hurtful pain, but I feel that this is a pavement to be even more mature ㅎ (Oh… My words are quite cool)

Anyways… The issue was solved well, and I had a great night

The reason why I’m not sleeping is because, I slept early

but the mosquitoes bite me, so I was awoken…

Well, I shall enter into my dreamland again. Melody I love you ♥ Let’s meet in our dreams

p.s Ha…. By the way

Where should I download my pictures..ㅜ3ㅜ
source: fancafe, translated by loveindacube

Cube official notice regarding fangifts etc

Hello.
This is Cube Entertainment.

Here are some things that we would like fans who have been coming to Cube Cafe to take note.

We are very thankful to the fans who have been visiting Cube Cafe.
However, there are fans who stay behind even after Cube Cafe ends its business.
Fans waiting till dawn has also became a burden to the members who are practicing.
So as not to interfere with the member's practice sessions, we hope fans will return home early.

And regarding passing of letters and gifts to the members personally at Cube Cafe,
If possible, please send them (letters and gifts) to Cube's office. We will pass them on to the members.
To the fans who visit Cube Cafe, we hope that fans will be able to have exercise some self control.

When sending fan support for the members, please check the notice and apply according to the procedure in the future.

At the same time, BTOB official fancafe is a space operated by the official staff.
In the future if there are groundless rumours being uploaded onto the cafe, they will all be deleted, we hope that fans will not blow up issues.
(If there are any content recommendation, please use official Melody email or send it via the bulletin board)

Each and every action by the Melodies affects the image of BTOB.
In order not to damage BTOB's image, we hope that Melodies would protect BTOB's image well.

We hope that this will not happen again in the future, instead, we hope that Melodies will work together to create a better image.

Thank you.
source: fancafe, translated by btobtweets



sasaengs aren't fans...

Comments

[imienazwisko.livejournal.com]

judging by fancafe numbers, i think they lost some fans :/
past few months (except for last march, idk why) they had solid growth of almost 3000+ new users each month. i checked now and knowing they had 38330 at the end of may, now the number is 39848 (note it's 22.06) so i guess some people left.

[e-bone (from livejournal.com)]

Labels do NOTHING to protect their idols from these people, then actually have the cajones to put the blame the idols for encouraging them? Wow. Cube, go get fucked.

[gray-fairy.livejournal.com]

lol @ you using a Spanish word, bb.

[e-bone (from livejournal.com)]

LOL I apologize for that :/

[gray-fairy.livejournal.com]

No need to apologize :)

[froggster.livejournal.com]

......dafuq?
I wish a group would have the balls to say 'go the fuck home' to sasaengs. Those long ass posts barely say anything in the end tbh. The wording is always really weird.
but whyyyyyyyy would you blame a group for crazy people stalking them/bullying others????

[trowa.livejournal.com]

I seem to recall reading somewhere Heechul does exactly that.

[froggster.livejournal.com]

nice. plus points.

[aleash1989.livejournal.com]

'Cause Heechul's just ba like that and not afraid to speak his mind! Remember how he went off on the the girl who poisoned Yunho?

[kazu-kumaguro.livejournal.com]

so, what is happening?

[imienazwisko.livejournal.com]

btob is having probs with sasaengs

[kazu-kumaguro.livejournal.com]

why are they telling fans that they aren't giving preferential treatments?

[imienazwisko.livejournal.com]

Because some accused them of being too nice towards fansites run by sasaengs (and sasaengs in general).

[jjang-intae.livejournal.com]

I feel sorry that the boys are being blamed for it. Also, why are people referring to sasaengs as fans? They're savages

i couldnt stop myself im sorry

[imienazwisko.livejournal.com]

Re: i couldnt stop myself im sorry

[jjang-intae.livejournal.com]

LOL fitting song

Re: i couldnt stop myself im sorry

[gray-fairy.livejournal.com]

Fitting song even though I've always found this so racist. I know it's historical and stuff but still...:/

Re: i couldnt stop myself im sorry

[rylee900.livejournal.com]

Yeah I know, but that's the point of the song? Like, it illustrates racism pretty well imo, and it criticizes it, so I have no problem with it really

Re: i couldnt stop myself im sorry

[staaan.livejournal.com]

ugh thank you

i see people misunderstand this way too often

Re: i couldnt stop myself im sorry

[rylee900.livejournal.com]

I mean if you want to criticize a Disney movie for racism there are plenty of things you could choose from. This song is not one of those things.

[pepper.livejournal.com]

Can someone just please lock all sasaengs in a mental hospital already?

[goldynchickie.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure why the boys are getting partial blame for this.

[fingertrees.livejournal.com]

To make things clearer, we will address the people involved right from the start, those who are at the centre of the issue. (The person involved should be very clear about who we are referring to, right?)
We hope you won’t come anymore in the future.
Even if you appear we won’t respond at all.
Like they say, a rotten apple injures its neighbors. We do not wish to see, and can no longer stand a small minority causing hurt and frustration to most of our fans.

Minhyuk finally spoke up for the rest of the group so I think it's settled? K-melodies were so cool for calling them out on it tho.

[gray-fairy.livejournal.com]

Why the hell are they blaming them? o_o. It's not their fault having those crazy ass "fans". So if they insulted them they'd be labeled as "douches" b/c porr porr little girls, but if they're kind, they get shit too? I don't understand anything. The only thing I know it's that those cray cray "fans" should be already getting mental treatment. They're fucking disgusting.

[jeeeean.livejournal.com]

the problem is that it's not even verified that these 'sasaeng' fans are genuine.
it could be just a bunch of other melodies being butthurt that BTOB seems to be more biased to certain fans.

this whole thing is messed up and I feel sorry that the boys seem to be taking the blame but it is true that there is a fine line as to how close/how much an idol can interact with their fans.

for all we know, it can be just a simple incident that escalated quickly due to rumors being exaggerated through the internet!!

/on a side note: most of these fan-sites that closed had the most beautiful photos :(

[imienazwisko.livejournal.com]

esp the triple, it was my fav fansite :(

[asnindie.livejournal.com]

So let me get this straight, fans are pissed that Sasaengs get preferential treatment?

It's not a choice, Sasaengs are the ones who bulk buy, run sites etc at times, esp when you're a rookie companies will encourage loyalty. Dumb to blame the group.

[swhyeon1991.livejournal.com]

Honestly I still don't get it, so there's this Melody accusing other Melodies/the fansite(s) to be sasaengs because they are ~too~ close with BtoB and BtoB has preferences on them?? I seriously have no idea this could escalate to the point that those sites are closing down and the boys closed their personal twitters, like why? I mean I get it if the fansite got closed down due to the accusations but why the twitter? How could Cube scold the boys because of this tbh?

Anyway,
Where should I download my pictures..ㅜ3ㅜ
Sungjae pls lol well at least he still looks cheerful.

[sayitisso.livejournal.com]

why the fuck isn't cube standing up for their group??? why is btob getting any blame at all???? this is outrageous. i know the members are supposed to be aware and careful when it comes to fans, but um managers are supposed to manage, and the company is supposed to protect their artists. the members shouldn't have to write posts like this, cube should come out with official statements first and punish whoever needs to be punished, also to set an example.

i haven't read through everything but i don't even wanna know the full story anymore. i just hope cube gets their shit together and this crap doesn't affect their comeback.

[yejun.livejournal.com]

I'm so confused about this whole situation I've been trying to figure out what went down but it's so messy and I don't speak korean so :c
I hope things calm down and that the fansites who were falsely accused comes back :c

[21banged.livejournal.com]

Shit, do not want this to postpone their comeback they've already been gone for so long and they barely promoted Second Confession ;A;

[imienazwisko.livejournal.com]

They comeback is planned for August, so i dont think this shit will cause postphonement. 4minute and beast are coming back next few weeks, m4m is supposed to promote in Korea at the same time as BtoB. Cube would rather make m4m comeback faster than delay BtoB's new mini release. They are rookies, they need to pop up every 5mins.

[21banged.livejournal.com]

ugh but my babies....they're having such a tough year :'

[gigabytexx.livejournal.com]

Eunkwang explains it better than Minhyuk's long ass post. At first I dont understand what is Minhyuk trying to say, but in the end I guess it means they are going to flat-out ignore all stalking fans, instead of trying to be nice to them.
I wonder this is what happened to Beast, until they're not like what they used to be...... guess they've been swallowing the bitter pills and just being mean ((((junhyung))))... but also any other idols from big companies.

I hope there wont be any issue with any of them hitting the fans X_x
I feel like the sasaengs deserved it but of course the international fandom disagree ~violence is not the answer~ oh lol

[junjou-robotica.livejournal.com]

I don't understand this at all - groups get criticised for being too harsh to their stalkers, and now they get criticised for being too kind? What the fuck are they actually supposed to do in this situation?

[junjou-robotica.livejournal.com]

It's just beyond ridiculous - it seems like there is no way of handling this without the idols themselves looking bad in some way. The only precedent for is is groups just becoming numb to it - to being forced to, less they tarnish their repuation in some way.

[luvey.livejournal.com]

i'm not even a fan, and reading all of that left me even more confused. but from what i understood....

the group should not be blamed, and Cube needs to grow a pair (like the majority of these K entertainment companies) towards these crazy fans. it just feels like a lot of the info these fans get (especially unofficial schedules) come from inside the company.

it bugs me that even fans has a close relationship with the manager of the group i adore.

[sub-divided.livejournal.com]

Some of these cases (hang around the dorm, on a first name basis with the idols, but don't invade personal lives) makes the individuals involved sound like they are "groupies" more than "sasaengs", but perhaps that's a distinction that idol fans don't make.

If BTOB's fans are truly sasaeng fans - in it to get a reaction, whether it's positive or negative, from the idols or from other fans - then closing twitter accounts actually gives them what they want. Bad move by the company.

Also the idea that some staff members could be interacting with stalker fans is disgusting. Whether it's in exchange for money or in exchange for sex - or just having sex with vulnerable girls without any exchange - it's totally unprofessional and really, really wrong. (I hope I'm wrong about this but it's the first thing that popped into my head.)

[aleash1989.livejournal.com]

I wouldn't go so far as to say BtoB interacting with saesangs means money or sex. Saesangs, from what I've gathered over the years as a Kpop fan, want to be recognized by/get a reaction from the idols they stalk and bother whether it be positive or negitive.

[justtakisha.livejournal.com]

Damned if they are nice to them, damned if they curse them out and tell them to fuck off. No one wins.

[gray-fairy.livejournal.com]

+10000000000

[imienazwisko.livejournal.com]

Mfte

[konichiwacobra.livejournal.com]

i don't understand how this is BTOB's fault. Like what are they supposed to do to these people? If they were legit harsh people would be all over their asses. This is truly a no win situation.

[vermicelli-rice.livejournal.com]

such a mess that i can barely process.

at least now it's kind of clear why the k-fansites started to shut down. i have been wondering.

[xalter-egox.livejournal.com]

tl;dr for most part, but I do sort of understand what's going on, though no one actually understands what's happening :|
Sasaeng fans, don't we just love them? -__- Even if people say that BtoB are being too kind, they're still the victim in my opinion. Some people are really just so cray cray.

Well, I hope this gets resolved soon. My heart broke when Ilhoon's Twitter account shut down :(

[strawberry-efeu.livejournal.com]

idk, it seems to me like there might have been some shit slinging here. Like BtoB though that it was perfectly okay for these fans to be around in public places--aka official schedules & at the company in the Cube Cafe--but other fans thought they were being too close. It's possible that this is true in some cases (and in the case of the person who created the fake twitter, it obviously is true) but in the case of some of these fansite masters, it sounds like jealousy? or at least something weird is going on. I can definitely see how some fans could be jealous that members know fansite masters (like the members know their names and maybe even are in contact with them in some way) and would use the uproar about the fake twitter sasaeng to accuse other fans of being sasaengs. It comes across to me as a Salem witch hunts/Spanish Inquisition type situation.

Basically, I don't think we can really assume that any of these fans are sasaengs just because they were accused, although some of them easily could be. ugh idk if this comment makes sense anymore @_@

[craver199103.livejournal.com]

Bullshit. The labels CREATE these fans by giving them the impression that these idols are to bow down to them and are OWNED by them. Then, when they get out of hand, suddenly its the idols fault for...what exactly? EXISTING? It's bullshit.

[antrea.livejournal.com]

This is so unfair how BTOB are getting the flames because of sasaeng fans being able to get into more shows it's not like they're the ones controlling who gets in, it's the management. Not blaming Cube Ent or anything bc I love them, but I want a better apology and explanation... "sasaeng-dols" is seriously the dumbest label I have ever heard. Breaks my heart whenever Minhyuk writes lengthy fancafe posts ugh he already receives enough criticism >:(

And why did they have to go bother the fansites who are doing nothing wrong, lovefile, siktam, and TheTriple were definitely my faves and lovefile's single tweet "bye" before she left was really heartbreaking and gah I hope she's ok :(