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  The K-popiverse was hit with some disturbing rumors this afternoon: an international fan of male megaband EXO, who have finally made a much-anticipated and long-awaited comeback with their single “Wolf,” reported via Twitter that she and a number of other international fans — many of whom had made a lengthy journey and waited for upwards of 12 hours outdoors — were denied entrance to EXO’s comeback stage taping for M! Countdown.  According to the fan, who traveled to South Korea from Europe, international fans were singled out by M! Countdown staff and made to stand in a separate line behind Korean fans, regardless of who had been waiting the longest.  Her final tweet stated that international fans were “kicked out” out of the EXO comeback stage on the grounds that they were “not Korean.”


It’s important to note that these events are (at least at the time of this writing) difficult to confirm. Competing accounts suggest that not all international fans were made to leave or singled out, and it’s hard to say with absolute certainty that what this fan (and other international fans) experienced was, in fact, an act of discrimination.  This writer was certainly not there, and therefore I present to you the story without comment on its veracity.  However, to be completely honest, it wouldn’t surprise me the least if it turned out to be true.  The reason?  There does indeed seem to be a very large disconnect between the purported global aims of Hallyu, the Korean Wave, and the way that international K-pop fans are treated within K-pop fandoms.  Specifically, despite the fact that K-pop companies are (and for the past few years, have been) essentially falling all over themselves to attract more interest from the farthest corners of the globe, when it comes to official K-pop fandom, international fans are, for the most part, just plain unwelcome and need not apply.


“But no, Dana!” You say, twisting the knot on the end of your specially colored fan balloon (which has long since deflated, much as has the optimism of international K-pop fans), “[insert celebrity's name here] is TOTALLY grateful for his/her international fans!!  He/she said so at [insert name of concert held in non-Korean city]!!!!”


Well, sure, and I don’t doubt that he/she did say that — and for once, he/she probably meant it, too.  International fans have become absolutely critical to both sustaining the monstrously huge K-pop machine and allowing it grow even further.  The Korean domestic market is comparatively tiny, and by expanding their artists’ and groups’ fan bases to encompass increasingly lucrative markets across Asia and beyond, Korean entertainment companies have lined their pockets — and to a lesser extent, their idols’ pockets — with foreign capital.  Make no mistake, idols and the companies that own them are totally grateful for their international fans because they have made them all the more wealthy.  The problem, as it turns out, is that they seem to be rather uninterested in anything except the money that these fans can provide — and when you’re hawking something like Hallyu, this is going to snowball pretty quickly.  The reason?  If international K-pop fans cannot equitably participate in K-pop fandom as can their domestic Korean counterparts, then all of that warm, culturally inclusive language associated with the expansion of K-pop (and other K-entertainment products) more broadly winds up being utterly meaningless and grossly contradictory.


First, let’s talk fandoms.  What does it mean to be in a K-pop fandom?  Is it buying your favorite group’s albums, watching all of their performances, and occasionally spazzing about them on the internet with other like-minded people?  Is it simply self-identifying as a S♥NE, a VIP, a Panda, a Baby?  While these things all constitute fan practice, fans are doubtless aware of the importance that official K-pop fan clubs have in allowing fans to take full advantage of their dedication to a particular group.


Fan club membership is something of a golden ticket to cardholders that allows holders the best access to the fandom and the idols themselves; without it, the likelihood that one can participate in any public events related to the idol group in question is slim. Depending on which fan club one is a member of, membership benefits vary; occasionally membership will involve the annual distribution of free gifts, books, or magazines. However, fan club membership almost universally allows members priority access to a number of different events and concerts affiliated with the idol group in question. In regards to non-concert events, oftentimes only fan club members will be invited to fan meet-and-greets, autograph signings, and special concerts; without the card, these events are off-limits. Possessing a fan club card, then, essentially gives fans the greatest opportunity to see and interact with their favorite idol stars. Fans without these cards are left to take what they can get, though often it is not much.


Clearly, fan club membership is hugely important in allowing fans to have the optimal fan experience, to cultivate a richer and more intimate relationship with the fandom and to participate fully in activities intended to support the idols themselves — which, given the fact that fan dedication is essentially coterminous with how many trophies a group can win during a promotional period, is ostensibly what any truly devoted fan would want. However, there is one teensy, tiny problem with official fan clubs as they pertain to international fans — in most cases, they either aren’t allowed to join or have to jump through an inordinate number of hoops that their Korean counterparts do not in order to realize the full benefits of membership.


The following chart outlines the way various fan clubs deal with international fans (note that all prices are listed in KRW).

Fan Club Name

S♥NE (SNSD)

ELF (Super Junior)

VIP (Big Bang)

Panda  (APink)

Blackjack (2NE1)

Cassiopeia (DBSK)

KISSMe (U-Kiss)

Baby (B.A.P.)

Hottest (2PM)

Allow non-Koreans?

No

No

No

Yes*

Yes

No

No**

Yes

Yes

Require Fan Café Membership?

No

No

Yes

Yes

No

No

Yes

Yes

Yes

Cost for Korean members

10,000

10,000

5,000

10,000

Varies

10,000

30,000

15,000

20,000

Cost for non-Koreans

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

33,000 (Asian region); 48,000 (US, Europe)

N/A

50,000

15,000

40,000

* = Panda allows foreign members to join, but they must provide an address in South Korea
** = KISSMe allows Korean and Japanese fans only


As we can see, very few fan clubs permit international fans to join.  For example, fan club applicants to any fan club for SM Entertainment artists generally must have a Korean Social Security number (chumin tŭngnok pŏnho, 주 민 등록 번호) in order to apply.  This makes it effectively impossible for international K-pop fans to join official fan clubs for some of K-pop’s most famous idol groups, including SNSD, DBSK, Super Junior, and SHINee.  International fans may be able to skirt around this requirement by joining a fan club with an Alien Registration Card (waegukin tŭngnok pŏnho, 왜 국인 등록 번호), but these are only obtainable if one holds a visa and resides in South Korea for a significant amount of time – and upon return to one’s country of origin, it is taken away and invalidated as one passes through airport security, making it difficult for fans who have joined fan clubs to renew once a year. Though SM Entertainment has created a few official Japanese counterparts to Korean fan clubs (DBSK, for example, maintains a fairly large Japanese fan club called BigEast), fans in other parts of the world are essentially out of luck.


What of fan clubs that do not require Korean Social Security numbers?  Theoretically speaking, international fans should be able to join these clubs; however, most of these charge international fans a much higher membership fee than is charged to Korean citizens (four-member female idol group 2NE1’s fan club Blackjack charges Korean fans 15,000 KRW, but international fans must pay 40,000 KRW).  The fee is exacerbated by the fact that wire transfers to Korean banks also cost a significant sum of money.  The financial burden becomes particularly onerous when one considers that the majority of fans that might like to join a fan club are children or adolescents that might have little pocket money to spare.


Another interesting thing to note is that many clubs generally also require membership in fan cafes before applying for fan club membership.  In order to join any Internet café, one generally must first have an account with one of South Korea’s large search portals; most Internet cafes are hosted by either Daum or Naver, which are two of South Korea’s most popular news websites and search engines.  Registering with Daum or Naver is theoretically open to everyone, regardless of whether or not one is a Korean citizen, but the registration process for those who are not in possession of a Korean Social Security number or Alien Registration Card is written entirely in Korean and thus may be difficult for non-Korean language speakers or those who do not have access to proper translation services.


However, even if an international fan manages to register with Daum or Naver and join a fan cafe (thanks to the plethora of tutorials available in a number of languages), they will likely to find it difficult to rise in the ranks within the fan cafe to the point where they will be permitted to join a fan club (new members in any fan cafe often have to pass a test of their knowledge of the idol group in question in order to achieve the “level” at which they could be considered for fan club membership, and even after all of that, they must demonstrate consistent participation and the contribution of original content to the fan cafe — a nearly impossible feat for anyone who doesn’t speak Korean or isn’t located in South Korea).  The decks, quite frankly, are plainly stacked against international fans no matter how one rolls the dice.


It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that there’s a very obvious contradiction between the purportedly globally inclusive pro-Hallyu rhetoric so often associated with K-pop and the discriminatory reality that most international fans encounter when attempting to participate meaningfully in K-pop fandom.  Korean entertainment companies really could not be more blatant at this point in their obvious pandering to international audiences; it seems one can’t open any K-pop-related news outlet without hearing of some idol or group making plans to advance into a foreign market or getting a love call from a foreign producer.  Similarly, the number of international showcases held has grown exponentially in the past few years, and K-pop groups are increasingly targeting more untapped sites in Europe and the Americas for concerts. Even SM Entertainment’s eyebrow-raising decision to hold auditions in Kazakhstan is indicative of how “inclusive” Korean entertainment companies are prepared to be in their pursuit of ever more global interest and attention.  However, the reward that international fans receive for providing their beloved idols with interest and attention is their unceremonious expulsion from participating in any sort of official fan activity — without which, it bears repeating, an international fan’s hopes of getting the greatest access to his or her favorite stars is severely diminished.


The current structure of fan culture in South Korea is completely inconsistent with the purported aims of the Korean Wave, which ostensibly seems geared towards encouraging foreign participation in Korean culture.  International fans of Korean cultural products seem to be involved in a fickle, one-sided relationship with K-pop: while K-pop wants to earn their affections, it has stopped quite short of returning them.  Whether or not this will change in the future remains to be seen, but this writer does wonder how much longer international fans’ collective patience will hold out.  As incidents like the rumored wholesale removal of foreign fans from EXO’s M! Countdown stage become more commonplace and showcase growing global dissatisfaction with the way the Korean Wave seems to hold international fans at arm’s length, the Hallyu landscape will doubtless be affected — and it falls to Korean entertainment companies (and really, even the artists themselves) to deeply reflect on what, exactly, a more multicultural Hallyu will mean for the future of K-pop.


(Jung, Sun. “Fan Activism, Cybervigilantism, and Othering Mechanisms in K-pop Fandom.” In “Transformative Works and Fan Activism.”  Edited by Henry Jenkins and Sangita Shresthova.  Special issue, Transformative Works and Cultures, no. 10.  doi:10.3983/twc.2012.0300, Shim, Dooboo.  “Hybridity and the Rise of Korean Popular Culture in Asia.” Media, Culture, and Society. Vol. 28, No. 1 (December 2005), Omona They Didn’t, All About APink, SM Entertainment Official Website, U-KISS’ Official Fan Cafe, 2PM Official Fan Cafe, B.A.P. Official Fan Cafe)





source: seoulbeats

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*ooops! sorry! my mistake about the video...
(here's the link anyway. it's from inkigayo not m!countdown)

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Date: 2013-06-02 09:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunica1990.livejournal.com
I read this article on soulbeats when it first appeared and it really stuck with me. It really gets you thinking how much supporting kpop financially is worth, especially if you're not treated equally and you don't get what you paid for.

Not having international fans allowed to join fanclubs is such a stupid thing imo and I hope that this issue reaches the company's ears.


OP: would you mind spacing the paragraphs to make the post easier to read?

Date: 2013-06-02 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanny-w.livejournal.com
It's a long but good article. Glad someone shared it here. Maybe some bolding could help too? lol sorry op.

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Date: 2013-06-02 09:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obeytheempress.livejournal.com
I always thought allowing international fans to join fanfares and stuff like that could only benefit the groups and their companies. Like, why don't the companies offer Korean and English language fan sites where fans can buy merch, find news w/o relying on translations, and interact with other fans?

Date: 2013-06-02 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jia-zhang.livejournal.com
THIS. It's a really short sighted decision, because a lot of Western fans have a lot of money to burn, finances which their Asian parts do not.

Date: 2013-06-02 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiku-cha8-8.livejournal.com
i feel like i should read this, or at least skim through it, but it's just a wall of text and my eyes don't want to cope.

Date: 2013-06-02 09:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crinkledpaper.livejournal.com
yeah, even a few paragraph breaks would be great.

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Date: 2013-06-02 09:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanny-w.livejournal.com
nice job on this article dana unnie. can we talk about the way foreign press is treated when trying to cover events and give exposure to groups? these companies only want korean reporters to report on the overseas shows, and then write articles that only korean's in korea will see. tell me how this helps hallyu? it has been frustrating to be apart of several experiences like this.

Date: 2013-06-02 09:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turdferguson.livejournal.com
HAHA i was about to comment on the same thing

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Date: 2013-06-02 09:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] turdferguson.livejournal.com
IA about spacing out the paragraphs to make it easier to read. interesting article, i like seoulbeats for this kinda stuff.

the other thing i don't like is how disorganized the concerts have been internationally. it almost feels like every kpop related show i've been to, there were always some stupid problems that could have been fixed.

plus this whole other thing about YG only catering to korean press at the alive tour press cons but i don't wanna get into that

Date: 2013-06-02 08:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanny-w.livejournal.com
If you aint korean press get your ass to the back of the arena. Thanks for waiting 7 hours in the cold to shoot our show, but you got 30 secs to get the job done and get the hell out.

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Date: 2013-06-02 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiku-cha8-8.livejournal.com
also jfc why is it so expensive to join the u-kiss official fanclub. no shade no t but they aren't as popular as big bang or idk dbsk who can command higher fees. but then again because they ahve more fans they can have lower fees?? idk.

50k won is like $45
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Date: 2013-06-02 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] montauks.livejournal.com
basically supply and demand doe lol idk i think the pricing is a little weird too

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Date: 2013-06-02 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ahmtal.livejournal.com
mte 11 >.>

Date: 2013-06-02 09:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiahteddy.livejournal.com
I think one of the reasons for the fanclub thing is that there are many members-only special events (such as fanmeets, organising seating/lightsticks/fanchants for concerts etc) are held within Korea, and so you really NEED to BE IN Korea to be a part of it, and that's why you need a KSSN, to prove you live in Korea. I don't see anything wrong in that, and plus, not just fanclubs, but other websites also require KSS number for registration, not just fanclubs so yea, its just how things work in Korea. Its like in China, you need your citizenship number to do a lot of things (such as buy tickets/book things etc).

Though I do have a problem with the staff who were really rude and kicking out int. exo fans, they traveled all the way to see the boys and they really should've been treated with more respect.

Date: 2013-06-02 10:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ahmtal.livejournal.com
i understand that it's how things work in korea, but with how they push the hallyu wave they should change their system because really all they are doing now is shooting themselves in the foot.
but knowing how they treat international fans when they themselves are abroad, it shows that it's not just a problem of how things work over there.

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Date: 2013-06-02 10:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashiva.livejournal.com
If Koreans really wanted to take advantage of international fandom they should:
1) Create an official international fanforum into which you can register by typing serial code from the back of artist's latest album and paying 5-10$ (with paypal) and where artists occasionally answer fan questions and leave other messages*
2) Create another level of membership for additional pay (paid also with paypal) for people wanting to attend events which gets you sent some official cheering material and membership card and into which you can upgrade your regular membership

*This would encourage purchasing of albums instead of pirating and companies could see better their fandom size on each area. Also many fans live so far that they aren't able to attend events, but would still like to participate somehow
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Date: 2013-06-02 10:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ahmtal.livejournal.com
i love your ideas :D
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Date: 2013-06-02 10:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 21banged.livejournal.com
wow this was an interesting read...but I honestly doubt this will be changing any time soon, which is a downright shame :[

Date: 2013-06-02 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mjspice.livejournal.com
It's kinda "TL;DR" so many some bolding & spacing would help. :/

Date: 2013-06-02 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shining-lore.livejournal.com
This sucks, but are we that shocked? I mean really?

Date: 2013-06-02 10:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] very-pinku.livejournal.com
Not exactly fanclub but I had a hugee problem with K.Will's concert in LA.
Most audience members were Korean and there were no interpreters what so ever. And K.Will even was like, "You all understand Korean right?" in Korean and everyone answered yes and I was like the only one yelling out no lol.
So I barely could understand and felt left out...like really? It's an international event. No matter how many Koreans are there, it shouldn't matter.

I complained to powerhouse and they said that the interpreter was sick...which idk. but it pisses me off that korean companies are like 'spread hallyu!' then alienate fans like this...they should also make an effort to include people from everywhere, instead of trying to keep it limited, but expect us to follow when they're not trying to open their doors...

Date: 2013-06-02 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kanbinayume.livejournal.com
that's really frustrating and I can't really believe that they wouldn't have a backup interpreter, especially in a place where you can easily find another korean-english translator who could take over...

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Date: 2013-06-02 10:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesymphony.livejournal.com
Agreed with every point made on this. There's a huge international market of fangirls (and fanboys) who would gladly give up a sum of money to be closer to oppa/unnie. Making fanclubs more inclusive would help as well, not immediately ostracising those who are new to the idol group/fandom. Not everyone has the time to become super intense fans but that doesn't mean they like the group any less.

Date: 2013-06-02 10:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yukahoo.livejournal.com
Regarding the EXO matter: I've just come from reading other accounts saying how the staff had told them not to camp out to form lines but they did anyway. There was a huge stampede and everyone was fighting so foreigners were told to form another line since they don't have the proper fanclub IDs or whatever. Some fans didn't understand or didn't want to understand so they were removed. Some foreign fans got in, some Koreans didn't.

So in the end it seems to boil down to general unruliness and those friggin IDs that foreigners obviously can't have.

Date: 2013-06-02 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ahmtal.livejournal.com
good to know it wasn't as bad as we thought u_u

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Date: 2013-06-02 10:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dysphoriia.livejournal.com
er didnt read most of this but there is really no point to join the official fanclubs if you live overseas. all the perks and the money you are paying them for pertains to domestic events and shiz. i guess you can act elitist now that you have an official title, but there's no reason for them to include ifans in the fanclub.
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Date: 2013-06-02 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pon-pon-pink.livejournal.com
mte i do get the outrage of international fans being treated differently at events but about joining FCs? not really..

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Date: 2013-06-02 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annhh.livejournal.com
but is it that important to be a part of some fanclub. seems a lot of hassle for some mugs and information.

Date: 2013-06-02 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yami-no-hoshi.livejournal.com
I don't know about Korea, but I'm in Japan and being in the Bigbang fanclub means I get access to the ticket lotteries for each concert, so that's the real perk. I don't know what international fans would get out of being in the Bigbang fanclub here, but I don't know if Korea has more perks. I guess the online shop is pretty cool too.
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Date: 2013-06-02 11:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timetobegin.livejournal.com
These things always make me wonder: are Koreans really as snobbish as they seem? Or is it just the ones in Kpop? Legit question here, because it is something that I notice quite often.

Date: 2013-06-02 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chibi-rei.livejournal.com
Nah it's mostly just the hardcore Kpop fans that you read about in news stories. I mean of course every culture has snobby/bratty people, but overall all my friends are cool people.

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Date: 2013-06-02 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] assviolator.livejournal.com
so basically korean fans are the label's favorite daughters while the international fandom is that one daughter that no one cares about and always has to do all the chores

Date: 2013-06-02 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hai-no-souretsu.livejournal.com
Tbh sometimes I think some companies don't want to bother with I-fans at all. I mean, cjes for example, promised to open membership for I-fans back in 2011 and still nothing so I resorted to joining their japanese JYJ FC and the only time it proved its existence - when they opened lotteries for jyj concert at TD and for JJ's concerts in Yokohama. Other than that - nothing worthy of 60 $/year. And the thought that we, i-fans, are seen only as source of money is not pleasant at all. (

Date: 2013-06-02 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jcdhwg.livejournal.com
Do you live as a foreigner in Japan? I'd love to join JYJ's Japanese fanclub to be able to enter the lotteries for the concerts. Now I have to rely on friends for tickets.
I've found tutorials(aka through a company) on how to join the Japanese fanclub but people have told me that it's not possible to join the lotteries of the concerts..? idk if that's true or not. They'll only send you fc-card/welcome gifts/goods you want to buy but not tickets.
*Prays for yokohama tickets*

Date: 2013-06-02 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiaoqingxin.livejournal.com
isn't the vid from inkigayo today?

Date: 2013-06-02 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunica1990.livejournal.com
yeah it's from Inki

The uploader clearly said she's attending for CL

Date: 2013-06-02 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunica1990.livejournal.com
OP, the video you posted is from Inkigayo, not M! Countdown.

The uploader said she went to see CL, who performed there.

Date: 2013-06-02 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lenkaxchan.livejournal.com
wow the video makes me so angry. she didn't even try to tell her to stop filming, she just smacked the camera/her...

Date: 2013-06-02 01:07 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2013-06-02 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chibi-rei.livejournal.com
Okay wow at the video. Even if the person filming supposedly shouldn't have filmed the fans, that other girl had no right to slap her. Obviously she didn't understand what they were telling at her. Every Korean student should know the words "no" and "camera". All it could take, assuming the person filming isn't a jerk, is someone calmly walking up and saying those words.

Date: 2013-06-02 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jasmineakaiumi.livejournal.com
The word for camera is actually the same in English and Korean so I found it weird not a single person actually went up to her and tried to say something in English. People try to speak to me in English all the time here, even if I start off speaking in Korean to them.

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Date: 2013-06-02 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lheeyah.livejournal.com
I'm non-Korean but I was able to join ELF and BoA's official fanclub when I was studying in Korea. I don't live there anymore so I wasn't able to renew my membership but I found that my fanclub id number still worked for BoA's advance ticket sales :)) but tbh there aren't a lot of benefits for members, just priority when it comes to music shows and concert ticket sales, entrance to fanmeets (but even within the fanclub the chances of getting into those is very small) and there's no fanclub merch. I can understand their SSN requirement because they need it for identification and really if you're not in Korea it's kind of useless. Even if you're not a member you can still get into their shows anyway (for SM at least, I know for YG most of the time entrance to music shows is by lottery among fanclub members) so you're not missing much. For fans living overseas SM does offer global packages for their concerts. You get good tickets, hotel + transpo and for SM Town they had that welcome party + got to go onstage with the artist. That was way better than any fanclub benefit I got

Also I remember some time ago international VIPs were trying to get YG to open up fanclub membership. iirc YG seemed interested but it was more of a logistical problem for them. They had a hard time sending out the membership boxes to overseas Blackjack and it was like they didn't want to go through that again for VIPs :/
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