Pentagon's K-fans have a message for I-fans, explain why they aren't mad eventhough they are

[goshipgurl.livejournal.com]

Pentagon Fancafe message from Kfan to Intlfans pic.twitter.com/ROk0oqDmE9

— Yuto’s Honey 💕 #HereforPentagon (@MoonsHoneyx) August 5, 2018

- They are not mad that he's dating Hyuna, they are angry because he didn't tell them about it unlike Hyuna
- They are mad that Triple H was created so they both could spend more time together while in front of their fans
- Believe that there are "complicated parts in the K-pop industry that international fans will find hard to understand", "It's not that we are falsely thinking that we have a chance to date them or something, or they are possessions of ours"
- Claim that fans love them for their image, and dating damages said image
- Want to know if he received consent from the other Pentagon members to date Hyuna

source: Pentagon fancafe via @MoonsHoneyx

Comments

[pikapika217.livejournal.com]

oh please - there's a REASON Cube felt they had to end promotions early

[yxerin.livejournal.com]

i mean... yeah. the fans aren't entirely to blame when the companies take part in creating the idol image and indirectly fuel these types of ideas. still -"it's not that we are falsely thinking that we have a chance to date them or something, or they are possessions of ours" honey... that's exactly what you're thinking tho lol

[glider.livejournal.com]

there's an overall big problem with people feeling they "own" celebrities and public figures in pretty much all industries in the world -- actors/actresses, bands, singers, idols, musicians, etc -- so I don't think they're being self-aware when they say they don't feel he's their possession.

aside from that I think this person brought up some good points, I see the "they believe they have a slim chance of dating their fave idol" brought up a lot as a reason for the reaction to dating scandals but I think it's not quite that. it's more like the idol not publicly seeing anyone plays into the feeling that they're faithful to the idol-fan relationship they have. lol it's hard for me to explain but I'm not trying to justify it, I wish people would view entertainers as just regular people who want to entertain others for a living and not form toxic relationships to them.

[921227.livejournal.com]

All these points spell out - we are mad

Honestly, if pentagon had been a more senior group or edawn was a soloist or w/e, it might not have been as bad

Also, i havent seen any comments pointing out the slight power imbalance of their relationhip -- i guess its not a concern?

[torontok.livejournal.com]

I clocked the power imbalance part of this when it came out. Like she's practically an executive at Cube, she's in a very high position in the company and she started to date him in 2016, when he was still a trainee. Hyuna hasn't done much to indicate that she'd abuse that position of power but it is there.

Moreso than dating a junior, I think pushing to create a subunit with her boyfriend was the most questionable thing they've done. The entire subunit was basically made for them with Hui tacked on and essentially a way for them to date publicly while secretly at the same time. It's just kind of a questionable business decision imo because if they ever broke up, that sinks the entire unit.

[evilcoc0nut.livejournal.com]

[nekobot.livejournal.com]

Lol this, it's really not that weird that people have feelings about idol dating lives when it's pushed as one of the most important parts of their product, so why not just admit you like them as an ideal boyfriend and it's part of the experience for you? It's not a weird phenomenon to have that ruined when you find out about their real relationships and not something to be ashamed of if it upsets you a little bit - until you start making up long lists like this to give some sort of deep explanation for your feeling betrayed for any other reason than having the illusion of availability ruined and bailing on an artist you claimed to support "unconditionally" as if they'll miss anything other than the coins you're dropping on them.

[torontok.livejournal.com]

Some of y'all might disagree but I think these two admitting their relationship was one of the stupidest things they could have done. We all know kpop fans need to chill with the possessiveness but this scandal is impacting Pentagon at a crucial time in their careers, when they were finally having a come up and it's going to hit their domestic fandom. hard If they had been dating secretly for years then why not wait a while longer before going public. For Hyuna it doesn't matter much in terms of career impact but there are 9 other boys in Pentagon who are being impacted by this.

[kukamine.livejournal.com]

I still don't get why k-fans felt the need to explain their reasons to i-fans, it's not like i-fans are going to understand their line of reasoning anyway

Believe that there are "complicated parts in the K-pop industry that international fans will find hard to understand", "It's not that we are falsely thinking that we have a chance to date them or something, or they are possessions of ours"



their reasoning just comes down to "I'm emotionally attached to my faves and how dare they date someone behind the fans back it's against idol/fandom culture for them to act this way, they're ruining their image~"

[miyozari.livejournal.com]

mte

Nobody would be that mad, if they were just two idols dating, but promoting together in a subunit and the relationship began when he was still a trainee? No wonder the public is mad.

[vintage-boom.livejournal.com]

I think them being only 2 years apart in age and him being 22 when they said they hooked up makes it less sketch that he was a trainee just about to debut.

[vintage-boom.livejournal.com]

via GIPHY (https://giphy.com/gifs/2rAySSay6xEUoO2Jak)

the delusion. just say you're mad and move on. this whole "i've been going to every public (and some private) schedule they've had for years I know him" stuff is weird af. get a grip.

[lulufairybubble.livejournal.com]

Yes it is idol culture but it is a part that need to die and never should have happened.

[921227.livejournal.com]

I mean, outside of dating their relationship seems comfortable and their ages are not too far apart, but if the situation had been reversed, i feel like there would have been more scrutiny about it. && it might be just me, but i think hyuna could potentially go on promoting w edawn even if they broke up -- they seem to click professionallly enough that way

[kukamine.livejournal.com]

I'm conflicted about it because on one hand I think it's a good thing that more idols are going public with their relationships because if more idols do that, then maybe with time people will accept/normalize the concept that idols can date and it won't ruin their image/affect their fanbase (though I know this won't be happening anytime soon). On other hand, I do agree with you. Pentagon having dating scandals just as they're picking up steam is a bad idea because they're fandom hasn't solidified yet and since they don't have a solid fanbase, they're going to lose support as a result of these scandals.

[kukamine.livejournal.com]

mte

[nekobot.livejournal.com]

It is really strange that they admitted to it considering what a sweet deal they had going on, unlike other idol couples they could basically be together out in the open and act on their relationship as long as they never actually confirmed it? They didn't have anything to gain from making it official (unless it's a marketing tactic and they thought it would actually boost interest and sales)

[vintage-boom.livejournal.com]

I mean them going public was the deflect from Hui's photos. It's the lesser of two evils since he's pentagon and cubes future moneymaker and G-Idle is the biggest thing to come from cube in years. E'Dawn's collateral damage imo If there hadn't been pics released of him and G-Idle these two would have stayed a secret.

[daynr.livejournal.com]

I can't decide if this " Believe that there are "complicated parts in the K-pop industry that international fans will find hard to understand" is some "if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears does it make a sound" existential shit or what? Cause, normally, if you can't explain something eventually then isn't that basically just *feelings*?

I'm not impressed when I'm told to respect someone's opinions because *feelings*.

While I also want to set up a situation to spend more time with my boo, it's also a bit questionable. Then again, at least Triple H brought some salacious to kpop performances.

(I'm going to step back from the power differential because I like it. I'll admit it, I'm giving a shallow and sexist pass on this one. (somewhat facetious.))

[shinychopstick.livejournal.com]

In related news, I'm at least glad Cube did the absolute least and locked their fancafe after thousands of trolls from other fandoms joined and spammed en masse.

but can y'all non pentagon stans stop spamming non-ptg related content on pentagon's fancafe?? y'all pure assholes! pic.twitter.com/tyJzTpwIPq (https://t.co/tyJzTpwIPq)

— yanan's baby #HereForPentagon (@kaliwandeereer) August 3, 2018 (https://twitter.com/kaliwandeereer/status/1025249483590791168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

overflowing disrespect over pentagon's fancafe. calling out all universe who have fancafe accounts, please report these spammers! pic.twitter.com/HuMYZGDls3 (https://t.co/HuMYZGDls3)

— yanan's baby #HereForPentagon (@kaliwandeereer) August 3, 2018 (https://twitter.com/kaliwandeereer/status/1025252864615047168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

[thebloomroom.livejournal.com]

Omg lmao I hate the whole "its how they deceived us!!!" BS. Like when Sungmin got married. They're deluding themselves pretending it's not the "I have a chance with Oppa bc their agency sold their image as such". Pls. Big Mad.

I feel really bad for the other members of Pentagon :( I think this is the nail in their coffin, they are just too new.

[giriboy.livejournal.com]

+1

[thebloomroom.livejournal.com]

basically

[mlmello.livejournal.com]

ita
tbh I didn't think too much about the power dynamics that could happen because of their ages being close and because they always showed a nice and easy going relationship, but maybe I'm a hypocrite because I would be side eyeing the senior if the situation was reversed now that you mentioned..

[mlmello.livejournal.com]

ofc I don't know the truth lol but hyuna doesn't look like someone who would push a business decision just to stay with her boyfriend or something along this.. I do think cube whole goal with triple has always been promoting pentagon using hyuna. they tried to spin this and create a "we've always been close through music" to justify, but we all know it was to promote their rookie group. I also think cube at first imagined it as a one-time thing and didn't plan to have comebacks and work as a proper group.

but ita that the fact that they were dating since before that make this whole situation more complicated for cube to deal with. they were really playing with fire.mp3